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Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 29 2013 02:58 GMT
#1541
On June 29 2013 10:52 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 10:51 hzflank wrote:
On June 29 2013 10:49 Aquanim wrote:
On June 29 2013 10:48 hzflank wrote:
On June 29 2013 10:46 Aquanim wrote:
On June 29 2013 10:45 hzflank wrote:
Vote:##Onegu

You were voting for Alakaslam before. What changed your mind?


If Alakaslam is scum then the only possible 3 man scum team is Alaka, Firm and Stim. If I can convince you that I am town then we win. Therefore, we have nothing to lose by mislynching Onegu, but a lot to lose by mislynching Alakaslam.

WHAT?

SCUM WON'T NECESSARILY ALL BE VOTING FOR THE TOWNIE HERE

WTF


Look at when the votes went down. LoneMeow dropped the important 5th vote. You made the important case.

The read on Hurricane is independent of is vote.

LoneMeow voted for Alakaslam FIRST

He just decided to vote again, god knows why


Defending LoneMeow: Leader of Mafia Mislynch-wagons
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 29 2013 03:01 GMT
#1542
I've also noticed he's vocally suspect of Spicy from the very start.

Mafia have already secured a split vote if Tofu won't budge from Spicy.
StiMaDDict
Profile Joined May 2013
Korea (South)313 Posts
June 29 2013 03:01 GMT
#1543
Hurricane, I follow most of your one line evidences, but why LoneMeow and not me? I believe I lurking harder than LoneMeow.
동해 물과 백두산이 마르고 닳도록 하느님이 보우하사 우리나라 만세. 무궁화 삼천리 화려강산 대한 사람, 대한으로 길이 보전하세.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 29 2013 03:04 GMT
#1544
It has nothing to do with lurking. Lonemeow has been protected by mafia, chiming in just enough with popular opinion to draw suspicion, and led the two mafia-backed mislynch bandwagons.

See:
On June 27 2013 10:28 Chromatically wrote:
Things I don't like about LoneMeow

Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 14:43 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 24 2013 12:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Quoted Player List for reference:
On June 18 2013 14:22 geript wrote:
The Players

  1. Hurricane Sponge
  2. Onegu
  3. Chromatically
  4. Xzavier
  5. StiMaDDict
  6. FirmTofu
  7. fyfy
  8. hzflank
  9. Alakaslam
  10. Aquanim
  11. Spicydinosaur
  12. LoneMeow


We still have yet to hear from Onegu, fyfy, Alakaslam, and LoneMeow.


There's this thing called timezones - it's now 07:43 in my current local time...

Regarding to claiming, I'd like to ask that nobody claims. Day 1 claiming is generally not a great idea.

On June 24 2013 13:29 Chromatically wrote:
On June 24 2013 13:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Chromatically, do you have any scumreads?

Right now, I'm looking at Xzavier and hzflank. Both have posted a bit, but neither have been scumhunting. hz's recent post makes me feel a little better, but it did only come when I specifically asked him and I don't really agree with it. That doesn't necessarily make him scum though.

There are also some other small things that bother me, but I'll elaborate on those later.


I'd like to note that largely with the exception of this post, you haven't done much scumhunting yourself. Would you care to elaborate on those small things for me?

I do agree about Xzavier feeling scummy though. It first felt like a bit of meta case, as I remember him being very actively townie during day 1 in our last game, but reading through what he's said so far he hasn't really done any hunting so it seems objectively scummy, too.

This post seems like Meow really doesn't want to rock the boat at all and draw attention to himself. He pressures me in the most non-confrontational possible way, and then agrees with me on Xzavier. He doesn't offer any original opinions (or any other opinions at all). This is a theme throughout his posting.

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 07:05 LoneMeow wrote:
Xzavier, I still don't like your filter. Practically just setup speculation, no scum hunting or reads. I want to lynch you.

I'm not all that comfortable with lynching hzflank, in fact I'd rather not. I read him as town-ish.

StiMaDDict, start participating in some way. Who's your top scum read, why?

fyfy, you say you'd "rather lynch someone scummier", tell me who'd that be?

##Vote: Xzavier

This vote has very, very little reasoning behind it. Xzav happened to be, even at this point, the closest thing that town had to a consensus on a scumread. I had started pressuring hz right before this post, so Meow calls him town (leaving wiggle room, of course) because that was what everyone besides me was saying.

He doesn't offer a single original opinion here. He doesn't offer any opinions at all, in fact, other than the ones that were widely agreed upon.

He asks some questions to the other lurkers, but never follows up on them. This really shows that he's not actually interested in what they say. He's only doing it to look like he's interacting with the town.

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 23:48 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 25 2013 23:11 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm not liking Xzavier as a D1 lynch but i see why others are voting him. Before chrom threw a vote down on him he did 0 scum hunting and his posts were just policy and/or fluff. With that i can clearly see a vote. However what he has done since the votes started piling on has convinced me he's town. An unproductive town before the vote, but a townie no less.


Have you looked at it from the perspective that he might be scum that panicked once he had votes on him and only then started doing something to look more towny?

Even now his filter is "plenty of posts, little content", which I find very troublesome, though it I admit I don't feel as sure about this lynch as I did earlier. Also I see that some of my town reads are not on his case or are defending him, which is worrying.

This is posted when the Xzav lynch is uncertain (only Meow, me, and Aqua onboard). Several people were defending Xzav at this point. Meow makes sure to leave an out, so that way he can switch off easily if need be ("I wasn't as sure and my town reads were defending him").

Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 01:10 LoneMeow wrote:
Stim lynch with the info we have right now would be too much of a coin flip I think, however if he doesn't come back and elaborate as he promised I am ready to see him hang. And unless something truly game changing happens my vote will be on Xzavier or Stim - definitely not Aquanim.

Right as the case on Stim is posted, and a Stim wagon is a very real possibility, Meow comes in and says that he'd be willing to switch. Notice how he's continually leaving his options open: he has an excuse to either stay on Xzav or switch to Stim if necessary. Both of these reads are carbon copies of the town sentiment.


That's almost all of his posts.

Remember how he just said that he'd switch to Stim if he never came back? Didn't happen. Meow never mentions Stim again after this, because the wagon on Stim doesn't happen.

Literally every read that he has is exactly what the town is thinking. He doesn't offer his own opinion on anyone besides the centers of attention, Xzav/Stim (and a little hz). He also leaves his options wide open just in case he needs to move.

He posts just enough so that he's seen as the most town of the lurkers, but that's exactly what scum would do as a lurker. Meow has been blending in and not drawing attention to the max, the ESSENTIAL characteristic of scum play.

Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 29 2013 03:05 GMT
#1545
EBWOP: *to NOT draw suspicion
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 29 2013 03:11 GMT
#1546
On June 28 2013 21:01 Aquanim wrote:

To get enough mislynches in this situation, scum have to convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum. The most plausible way to do this is to find a way to counter Onegu's claim, since there is still some thread sentiment against him, and without the claim FirmTofu at least has proved his desire to see Onegu lynched.



You said yourself that our town list was: Aquanim, Hurricane, FirmTofu and hzflank.

So, if you actually believed the above quote then you would of pushed for the four of us to work together. In the end, what you have actually done is ”convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum”

Your case against Alakaslam did the exact same thing that you claimed the scum fake claim was trying to do.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 29 2013 03:13 GMT
#1547
Onegu, Aqua, and LoneMeow. The pieces are all there.

Does someone want to clue me in as to why Spicy is a suspect?
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 29 2013 03:13 GMT
#1548
@Hurricane
Again, I request you consolidate your posts. I agree with many of your points. At this moment, I am willing to vote LoneMeow 2 days from now, but I am still not convinced about Aquanim over Spicy.

Explain to me Onegu's day 1 behavior voting for Aquanim. That is what is most striking to me and is a big part of why I think Aquanim is town.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 29 2013 03:15 GMT
#1549
On June 29 2013 12:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Onegu, Aqua, and LoneMeow. The pieces are all there.

Does someone want to clue me in as to why Spicy is a suspect?


Slow down. The game is not solved yet. Let's focus on finding just one more scum for now.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 29 2013 03:16 GMT
#1550
On June 29 2013 12:11 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 21:01 Aquanim wrote:

To get enough mislynches in this situation, scum have to convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum. The most plausible way to do this is to find a way to counter Onegu's claim, since there is still some thread sentiment against him, and without the claim FirmTofu at least has proved his desire to see Onegu lynched.



You said yourself that our town list was: Aquanim, Hurricane, FirmTofu and hzflank.

So, if you actually believed the above quote then you would of pushed for the four of us to work together. In the end, what you have actually done is ”convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum”

Your case against Alakaslam did the exact same thing that you claimed the scum fake claim was trying to do.

My case against Alakaslam was intended to push for all of the townies in the thread to get behind it. My read was in fact wrong and the end result is that a townie was mislynched. As a townie, that was obviously not my intention.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 29 2013 03:16 GMT
#1551
On June 29 2013 12:13 FirmTofu wrote:
@Hurricane
Again, I request you consolidate your posts. I agree with many of your points. At this moment, I am willing to vote LoneMeow 2 days from now, but I am still not convinced about Aquanim over Spicy.

Explain to me Onegu's day 1 behavior voting for Aquanim. That is what is most striking to me and is a big part of why I think Aquanim is town.


Onegu put his vote on Aqua early, when it was 2-2 and Aqua still had his vote available. (Lone had used his vote, but Spicy's vote was also still available).

Onegu removed his vote from Aqua when it was 4-4 and there was a greater chance that the Aqua wagon would win. It was in fact Onegu's unvote that completely deflated the wagon on Aqua.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 29 2013 03:19 GMT
#1552
On June 29 2013 12:16 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 12:11 hzflank wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:01 Aquanim wrote:

To get enough mislynches in this situation, scum have to convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum. The most plausible way to do this is to find a way to counter Onegu's claim, since there is still some thread sentiment against him, and without the claim FirmTofu at least has proved his desire to see Onegu lynched.



You said yourself that our town list was: Aquanim, Hurricane, FirmTofu and hzflank.

So, if you actually believed the above quote then you would of pushed for the four of us to work together. In the end, what you have actually done is ”convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum”

Your case against Alakaslam did the exact same thing that you claimed the scum fake claim was trying to do.

My case against Alakaslam was intended to push for all of the townies in the thread to get behind it. My read was in fact wrong and the end result is that a townie was mislynched. As a townie, that was obviously not my intention.


No. That quote contains your reason as to why the scum team would be motivated to fake claim. But if you apply that same logic to the reason why you should or should not of defended Onegu, then you should not.

it is inconsistent
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 29 2013 03:20 GMT
#1553
On June 29 2013 12:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Onegu, Aqua, and LoneMeow. The pieces are all there.

Does someone want to clue me in as to why Spicy is a suspect?

Instead of me making a case for Spicy, I want you to make one first. This will greatly help us as a team because I trust you and you trust me as sincere town. We can bounce ideas off of each other without having to suspect one another's motives.

I want you to find everything that you think makes Spicy scummy and anything that makes you think Spicy is town. Please don't look at this exercise through "I've got to convince everyone that Aquanim is mafia" glasses. I want you to analyze Spicy from an unbiased point of view and give me your thoughts about him, good or bad.

Try not to convince me one way or the other, just try to present each individual point and explain why you feel a certain way about it.

I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 29 2013 03:22 GMT
#1554
On June 29 2013 12:20 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 12:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Onegu, Aqua, and LoneMeow. The pieces are all there.

Does someone want to clue me in as to why Spicy is a suspect?

Instead of me making a case for Spicy, I want you to make one first. This will greatly help us as a team because I trust you and you trust me as sincere town. We can bounce ideas off of each other without having to suspect one another's motives.

I want you to find everything that you think makes Spicy scummy and anything that makes you think Spicy is town. Please don't look at this exercise through "I've got to convince everyone that Aquanim is mafia" glasses. I want you to analyze Spicy from an unbiased point of view and give me your thoughts about him, good or bad.

Try not to convince me one way or the other, just try to present each individual point and explain why you feel a certain way about it.


That said, I will work on a case on Spicy concurrently and we can see if our reads on him match in any way. I will also go through Aquanim's filter and revisit all your points regarding him.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 29 2013 03:22 GMT
#1555
On June 29 2013 12:19 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 12:16 Aquanim wrote:
On June 29 2013 12:11 hzflank wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:01 Aquanim wrote:

To get enough mislynches in this situation, scum have to convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum. The most plausible way to do this is to find a way to counter Onegu's claim, since there is still some thread sentiment against him, and without the claim FirmTofu at least has proved his desire to see Onegu lynched.



You said yourself that our town list was: Aquanim, Hurricane, FirmTofu and hzflank.

So, if you actually believed the above quote then you would of pushed for the four of us to work together. In the end, what you have actually done is ”convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum”

Your case against Alakaslam did the exact same thing that you claimed the scum fake claim was trying to do.

My case against Alakaslam was intended to push for all of the townies in the thread to get behind it. My read was in fact wrong and the end result is that a townie was mislynched. As a townie, that was obviously not my intention.


No. That quote contains your reason as to why the scum team would be motivated to fake claim. But if you apply that same logic to the reason why you should or should not of defended Onegu, then you should not.

it is inconsistent

I don't actually understand what you're saying here.

I defended Onegu because I thought he was town. I wanted to lynch Alakaslam because I thought he was scum.

Can you rephrase what you're saying?

FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 29 2013 03:23 GMT
#1556
@hzflank
Can you go through Aquanim's and Spicy's filter as well and give me your thoughts on both of them?

@Everyone else
Please state your top three scum reads at this juncture.
*hint hint* Onegu should be on that list.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 29 2013 03:23 GMT
#1557
Firm, please tell me what you think of my above point on Aqua.

I honestly think that is the first good scum read I have made all day. it is not fluffy. I think he made a mistake when he posted that because a town Aqua would not of thought like that.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 29 2013 03:24 GMT
#1558
On June 29 2013 12:23 FirmTofu wrote:
@hzflank
Can you go through Aquanim's and Spicy's filter as well and give me your thoughts on both of them?

@Everyone else
Please state your top three scum reads at this juncture.
*hint hint* Onegu should be on that list.


Onegu
Aquanim
Spicy or LoneMeow
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 29 2013 03:29 GMT
#1559
EBWOP

First good scum read I have made all game
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 29 2013 03:32 GMT
#1560
hzflank, can you please reword what this "inconsistency" is? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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