If Onegu was a Framer, then Onegu would not know that Hurricane visited Alakaslam. The only way that Onegu could of known is if Onegu Framed Hurricane at the same time as another scum Tracked Hurricane. How likely is that?

The only other way for Onegu to know is if Hurricane is scum. Hurricane backed up Onegu's claim by saying that he did indeed visit Alakaslam. But he did it in a non-committal way which could be seen as an attempt to leave himself an out.

It's very unlikely that mafia have that many blues. If they do, we should expect to have a blue hiding within our ranks as well. At this point, if Hurricane is mafia, we have already lost. Luckily, I think the chance of that is extremely slim.

I think the non-committal way that Hurricane backed up Onegu's claim tells us exactly what Hurricane really is. I won't spell it out for you because it is irrelevant to what we need to focus on at this juncture.

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:07 GMT

#1624

I think I recall Aqua saying that Mafia usually get two blues in these newbie games.

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:16 GMT

#1625

Oh I have the best conspiracy theory lined up

Just 45 minutes to wait.

Hurricane Sponge

868 Posts

June 30 2013 00:30 GMT

#1626

I'm glad you're vetting me, and I hope it becomes relevant (because that would mean I wasn't dead tonight).

Don't invest TOO much time into this train of thought yet, though. I'll claim if I need to, but all the evidence has been spilled out in my filter.

@hz specifically

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:31 GMT

#1627

You don't need to claim anything. I am the one who needs to claim something. But not just yet.

Hurricane Sponge

868 Posts

June 30 2013 00:33 GMT

#1628

Also, Onegu doesn't have to be a Mafia Power Role. One of his scumbuddies (the real mafia tracker) could have just told Onegu what he knew to help him save himself when he felt under pressure.

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:36 GMT

#1629

Yep, I am aware of that.

BTW Hurricane, we can just say it because everyone knows you claim NN. It is no secret. The thing is we cannot confirm it (no Tracker or Watcher).

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

June 30 2013 00:37 GMT

#1630

On June 30 2013 09:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Also, Onegu doesn't have to be a Mafia Power Role. One of his scumbuddies (the real mafia tracker) could have just told Onegu what he knew to help him save himself when he felt under pressure.

Alakaslam saw Onegu visit you, didn't he? You're not dead, so Onegu wasn't carrying scum KP. Therefore, Onegu has a scum PR.

Hurricane Sponge

868 Posts

June 30 2013 00:38 GMT

#1631

Awww... I was pretty proud of my breadcrumb.

On June 26 2013 04:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@hzflank

I just went through your filter. You're the only vote on Aqua that I can't explain. You mention yourself in the case you make on him that it's pretty weak, and you were more posting it for his benefit to refute it than as a serious post.

To be clear:
No one suspects you. Now, everyone is getting his bandwagon ready.

I'm wondering if you are still experiencing the lack of conviction on your pick, or if having people jump on board has convinced you? What is your play here?

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:39 GMT

#1632

On June 30 2013 09:37 Aquanim wrote:

Show nested quote +

Alakaslam saw Onegu visit you, didn't he? You're not dead, so Onegu wasn't carrying scum KP. Therefore, Onegu has a scum PR.

Yep. Tracker or Framer.

Unless Hurricane was roleblocked. If Hurricane was roleblocked, then it might be time to claim that, but I need a minute to confirm.

Hurricane Sponge

868 Posts

June 30 2013 00:39 GMT

#1633

On June 30 2013 09:37 Aquanim wrote:

Show nested quote +

Alakaslam saw Onegu visit you, didn't he? You're not dead, so Onegu wasn't carrying scum KP. Therefore, Onegu has a scum PR.

Oh right. You're right. In my head, visiting someone doesn't equal Power Role (but in reality, this only applies to myself).

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:43 GMT

#1634

@Hurricane: We dont even need to know if you were roleblocked. We will know when Onegu flips.

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:43 GMT

#1635

Although, there is no harm in it either. SO if you want you can claim.

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:44 GMT

#1636

It really does not matter

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

June 30 2013 00:44 GMT

#1637

Hurricane, did you assemble a post of your thoughts on Spicy and Aquanim?

hzflank

United Kingdom2991 Posts

June 30 2013 00:48 GMT

#1638

Sorry for spamming, I'm running a single monitor and watching MLG. This thread is good for inflating my post counter though

Hurricane Sponge

868 Posts

June 30 2013 00:51 GMT

#1639

My thoughts are null on Spicy, and that Aqua is probably scum, but that's not how I want to use my (potential) final hour.

If I die, you can always dive my filter. Nothing has really changed for me except that I don't think StiM is super duper scum. But my main message is for Town to trust their reads. I think everyone here has great reasons for their reads and needs to follow them. Compromise when you think it is appropriate, but I have faith that the current townie skill level exceeds that of the mafia team.

If I die, vet your feelings for Aqua carefully. If you come to the conclusion that he is town, move on to the next guy. I think there's a very odd link between Aqua and LoneMeow that deserves looking into. You guys have done your homework on Spicy, so you probably don't need my thoughts on him, but explore relationships there too.

Go back and read my posts on Xzavier and fyfy (post-mortem). Read Chromatically's last thoughts. The dead are keys to Town victory.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

June 30 2013 00:52 GMT

#1640

On June 30 2013 09:48 hzflank wrote:
Sorry for spamming, I'm running a single monitor and watching MLG. This thread is good for inflating my post counter though

I am too!