EPTany comment on gk now? also who you wanna lynch today? (besides coag who wants me dead)
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ShiaoPi
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any comment on gk now? also who you wanna lynch today? (besides coag who wants me dead) | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 25 2013 04:53 ShiaoPi wrote: OO/coag/sloosh: any comment on gk now? also who you wanna lynch today? (besides coag who wants me dead) I'm struggling to come up with a scenario where Yamato dies while jailed. Presumably Marv was retired, fulfilling his win-con, by using his KP thing on Yamato, but that only makes sense if Yamato was a fake CID investigator and the reveal doesn't say fake CID investigator. Are players made aware of whether or not a CID Investigator flip is a fake one or a real one, or is it intentionally ambiguous? | ||
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ShiaoPi
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ObviousOne
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On June 25 2013 05:25 ShiaoPi wrote: i think the part about fake is just flavor for the assasins. but thats me Individual teams of 1 you think? | ||
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ShiaoPi
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ShiaoPi
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town, scum and two other factions who have to kill each other? no just no, why would marv be femoved from game if he was not a 1man team that fulfilled his winconc? to be honest I dont quite get what your problem is witb the role. GKs roleclaim itself is terrible and in line with his d1 behavior | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 25 2013 05:29 ShiaoPi wrote: yes. since they were 3rd parties. also thejr roles suggest working alone as they are pretty much jack of all trades with the focus on survival and hujting the other cid Okay, let's talk it out then. Scenario 1: He is actually JK. His semi-martyring and attitude come off as dejected town. His claim comes after the fact, no crumb or hint was shown that he had done this from before the deadline unless he hasn't brought it up but that's not something that normally happens in regular games anymore (crumbing, that is, unless you're Coag). Playing from behind, with lots of suspicion on him, he's using the last line of defense he can think to use since he doesn't feel confident enough to argue out of his position: his role. He does mention that he's had similar thought patterns to Yamato: On June 21 2013 15:34 goodkarma wrote: I can relate to his methodology of using process of elimination to determine scum, as this is the way I like to play. And I'd say it's possible that he came to the conclusions he did with said methodology. Especially considering the majority of this thread to date has been trollish nonsense rather than real scumhunting. He's a null read for me right now. Which in itself is a little odd, considering I quickly (and correctly) concluded he was town when playing with him in Les Mafia. so I can potentially see a defensive jail on Yamato from GK. Scenario 2: He's mafia claiming JK in a way that makes his claim unverifiable but also relatively believable. There's a potential way for Yamato to die even while JK'd and if he saw the flips and read the role PMs he would be able to use it as a last ditch effort to survive. Scenario 3: He's a mafia JK - I don't think this would pass the sniff test for game balance so I just want to discard it. Too broken. I think it boils down to opinion on whether or not one sources his claim as either desperation or exasperation and I can see the case for both. Apply KISS and the town explanation appeals to me more. I believe the claim that he is JK and that most likely means he is town. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 25 2013 05:33 ShiaoPi wrote: also the other option would be 4 factions in a 14player game....highly doubt it town, scum and two other factions who have to kill each other? no just no, why would marv be femoved from game if he was not a 1man team that fulfilled his winconc? to be honest I dont quite get what your problem is witb the role. GKs roleclaim itself is terrible and in line with his d1 behavior I've been there man. I've martyred so many times that it's not even appropriate and I should have been banned for it. (LX, Carnival, one or two newbie games, I think even Fruity somewhat). What is your familiarity and, if it exists, your opinion of GK's scum game based on your history together if applicable? | ||
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ShiaoPi
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yamato had a lot of votes in d1 and was not as established a townie as the examples i listed. I wiuld have even put sloosh over yamato if I had to think about jailing somebody defensively. i mean the quote you wrote down precisely says that yamato is null. do you rb your null reads id you could rather rb yiur scumread or townread??? my opinion on gks scumgame is the pattern that he pops into a thread drops a couple of posts sometimes only one large one a buggers off again. negligable threadpresence and no real pushing of his cases/opinions. Compare I swear mini and this game and you can see the similar behavior. GK comes in, posts and is out again, usually commenting in the scum qt. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Firstly, he's claiming to have jailed the only guy (Yamato) who isn't around to verify his claim (given Acro's RB fuckup). Secondly, Ange was the obvious save for the night, so that adds further questions to his target choice. Thirdly, we basically have to assume that marv used his 1-shot vigi ability to kill Yamato and essentially made a YOLO shot. I suppose it's possible, but it would be an incredibly risky move for him to do. And lastly, there's a pretty high chance that the last scum is a roleblocker. A mafia RB literally has no choice but to claim JK to keep his story straight in future days. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Complete sentences, immaculate punctuation, and even has the level-headedness to come up with some long-term lynch plan. Then "oh btw, I'm the JK". It's not something that reads like a truly angry/frustrated townie, who would be panicing, mentally disjointed, irrational, etc. It reads as constructed. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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On June 24 2013 08:11 goodkarma wrote: @Corazon: From the OP: "Overview: This is a closed setup. There are no standard notifications (RB, save, hit) in this game and there will be full role reveal on death. Passive abilities and factional KP cannot be roleblocked. The town win condition is to eliminate all anti-town players." So either you are lying, or the host is. Wait a sec, from just at start d2. Factional KP cannot be blocked. As gk picked that quote he must have known that he couls not defensively rb. so yamato would have been an offensive rb. while that makes more sense it is still weird why would you rb your null??? | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 25 2013 06:29 ShiaoPi wrote: Wait a sec, from just at start d2. Factional KP cannot be blocked. As gk picked that quote he must have known that he couls not defensively rb. so yamato would have been an offensive rb. while that makes more sense it is still weird why would you rb your null??? You're saying he knew that his action could not block KP, and therefore he used it offensively while knowing it wouldn't be effective offensively? I think you're misreading it. "Passive abilities and factional KP cannot be roleblocked." means you can't block the sending of the KP, it doesn't mean you can't protect someone from it with a JK ability. If you couldn't protect with the JK role what would be its value in this setup based on what we know of so far? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On June 25 2013 06:29 ShiaoPi wrote: Wait a sec, from just at start d2. Factional KP cannot be blocked. As gk picked that quote he must have known that he couls not defensively rb. so yamato would have been an offensive rb. while that makes more sense it is still weird why would you rb your null??? Wait wut? Just to clarify terminology: Offensive JK = trying to Roleblock someone (usually to block factional KP) Defensive JK = trying to save someone from a NK Now obviously it doesn't make very much sense for GK to offensive JK Yamato. However nothing precludes him from Defensive JK'ing Yamato. At that point in the game, Yamato was obv not-scum since he was on the DP wagon. While GK mentioned Yamato as a null read early in the game, most of his analysis structure in the past two days basically assumes that everyone on the DP wagon is town (including Yamato). That being said, JK'ing Yamato is both convenient for the purposes of a fake-claim, and suboptimal (given Ange was the clear save target on N1). | ||
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ShiaoPi
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i am also saying that if he wants to offensively jail, why not jail his highest scumread (aka me) why jail a null read instead? its jus too convenient. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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On June 25 2013 06:43 Hapahauli wrote: Wait wut? Just to clarify terminology: Offensive JK = trying to Roleblock someone (usually to block factional KP) Defensive JK = trying to save someone from a NK Now obviously it doesn't make very much sense for GK to offensive JK Yamato. However nothing precludes him from Defensive JK'ing Yamato. At that point in the game, Yamato was obv not-scum since he was on the DP wagon. While GK mentioned Yamato as a null read early in the game, most of his analysis structure in the past two days basically assumes that everyone on the DP wagon is town (including Yamato). That being said, JK'ing Yamato is both convenient for the purposes of a fake-claim, and suboptimal (given Ange was the clear save target on N1). but he cannot defensively jk, cause factional kp cannot be rbed? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On June 25 2013 06:48 ShiaoPi wrote: but he cannot defensively jk, cause factional kp cannot be rbed? Wait. Offensive JK is about blocking KP. Defensive JK is about saving someone. Now obviously Offensive makes no sense in regards to Yamato. However Defensive makes sense, since Yamato was obvtown after the DP flip. | ||
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slOosh
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E.g. you can't stop the mafia from shooting the bullet but you can protect the people it's aimed at. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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ugh, I hate my lack of sleep. does not do good things for my logic. now fine strike that ponlint off but gks claim is still too convenient and his play matches i swear | ||
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