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On June 25 2013 10:21 slOosh wrote:
Hapa from your perspective, how much did you feel like rayn was angling for your lynch today (were he alive)?
Given that he was repeatedly stating his suspicions on me throughout D1/N1, I assume he probably would push for it to some degree. He was a nuker, so perhaps he wanted to get enough suspicion on me in order to drop a nuke on me and semi-justify it. I really can only speculate about it though.
Then again, it's not like you'll get an objective answer out of me on this subject >>
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On June 25 2013 10:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats or GK...I'm not lynching anyone else.
Ok. What do you think of what GK just posted?
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On June 25 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:21 slOosh wrote:
Hapa from your perspective, how much did you feel like rayn was angling for your lynch today (were he alive)? Given that he was repeatedly stating his suspicions on me throughout D1/N1, I assume he probably would push for it to some degree. He was a nuker, so perhaps he wanted to get enough suspicion on me in order to drop a nuke on me and semi-justify it. I really can only speculate about it though. Then again, it's not like you'll get an objective answer out of me on this subject >>
No, that's what I wanted, because I feel like the recipient of it has a much better "feel" for it.
I ask this because I'm reading rayn's filter and trying to discern his attack pattern. It is true that he fingered out Adam as suspect, but I don't know if it was setting up stuff for a mislynch or just good distancing.
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On June 25 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats or GK...I'm not lynching anyone else. Ok. What do you think of what GK just posted?
Well I don't want to be called a dick for not believing him, but his play does not back up his town claim. I hate to say it, but no one's claimed the RB on me and he claimed RB but with no way to verify, so what am I supposed to believe?
I could see a scum GK roleblocking me just in case I was an investigative/vigilante type role (because we had no clue about the set-up before Yamato/Marv's flip) because I was starting to get really tired of his illogical pushes and I was starting to call him scum.
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On June 25 2013 10:12 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 18:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Going by vote analysis alone, it would make sense that GK is also scum, as Rayn let his vote waste on OO rather than swing it over to GK after I threw mine on to get that wagon over the line and save DP. Granted, its entirely possible Rayn was AFK for the lynch. Like this. This makes no sense to me.
It was a hypothetical look at how the end of day 1 played out. If GK were town, wouldn't Rayn have tried to save his scum teammate by voting GK off? Now if two scum were being pushed, Rayn would be better off saying nothing and just letting the lynch play out. The caveat is that the lynch seems to be in the middle of the night for him, so its entirely possible that he was asleep when this all played out and that is the reason he never moved his vote. Going by GK's current posting, hes looking town, so this is all moot.
Oats, you've called me scum to the point of harassing me every time I step into the thread. You ask for everyones read on me, when they give it, you disagree and try to talk them out of it. You've clearly already decided that I am scum, so I want you to tell me why you are yet to vote me this entire cycle.
Explain.
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On June 25 2013 10:30 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:On June 25 2013 10:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats or GK...I'm not lynching anyone else. Ok. What do you think of what GK just posted? Well I don't want to be called a dick for not believing him, but his play does not back up his town claim. I hate to say it, but no one's claimed the RB on me and he claimed RB but with no way to verify, so what am I supposed to believe? I could see a scum GK roleblocking me just in case I was an investigative/vigilante type role (because we had no clue about the set-up before Yamato/Marv's flip) because I was starting to get really tired of his illogical pushes and I was starting to call him scum.
Ignore the claim and his actions for now - what do you think about the post? Tone, townieness, etc?
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On June 25 2013 10:30 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:On June 25 2013 10:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats or GK...I'm not lynching anyone else. Ok. What do you think of what GK just posted? Well I don't want to be called a dick for not believing him, but his play does not back up his town claim. I hate to say it, but no one's claimed the RB on me and he claimed RB but with no way to verify, so what am I supposed to believe? I could see a scum GK roleblocking me just in case I was an investigative/vigilante type role (because we had no clue about the set-up before Yamato/Marv's flip) because I was starting to get really tired of his illogical pushes and I was starting to call him scum.
There is a possibility that he is town JK, and there is a scum RB who is keeping their mouth shut.
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On June 25 2013 10:30 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:12 slOosh wrote:On June 24 2013 18:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Going by vote analysis alone, it would make sense that GK is also scum, as Rayn let his vote waste on OO rather than swing it over to GK after I threw mine on to get that wagon over the line and save DP. Granted, its entirely possible Rayn was AFK for the lynch. Like this. This makes no sense to me. It was a hypothetical look at how the end of day 1 played out. If GK were town, wouldn't Rayn have tried to save his scum teammate by voting GK off? Now if two scum were being pushed, Rayn would be better off saying nothing and just letting the lynch play out. The caveat is that the lynch seems to be in the middle of the night for him, so its entirely possible that he was asleep when this all played out and that is the reason he never moved his vote. Going by GK's current posting, hes looking town, so this is all moot.
By that logic, if GK were scum, wouldn't Rayn have lynched the less experienced teammate, gain crazy town cred for hammering, and opening up a better pool of potential mislynches in the DP wagon than the GK wagon?
It's not all moot because we need to figure this one out and it helps us if we can better determine your alignment.
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blaaaargh and then adam brings up a good point
The one thing that's been on the back of my mind this game about Oats, is that he's definetely throwing around his suspicions a lot and acting "paranoid", but he's pushing his suspicions in such a different way than town games I've seen him do in the past.
For example, when he thought I was scum in his last town game (I Swear), he went against all thread sentiment and was hurling suspicion at me, screaming that I was scum and that he wanted me to get lynched. Similarly in Red Team's Prize, he did the same to a town-leader Palmar. Hurled shit at him against all town sentiment and was completely uncompromising about it.
This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him.
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It would also be pretty nice if the people we are discussing would give (updating) reads on each other. That way, even if we mislynch it makes it invariably more difficult for scum to secure future mislynch targets.
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When I think about Oat's contributions in the last few days, it feels like he's been a ghost. I can't remember anything meaningful he's posted, which is really rare given that his town game is all about madly tunneling players.
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Whaddya think SloOsh? Adam?
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Also, I want to hear from Coag and OO on this especially. Both think Oats is strongly town, and OO has a pretty strong grasp on Oats' meta.
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cause voting means work that isnt really important early d2.
Why do you think as scum, I wont vote for you?
The reason im shitting on everyones reasoning is because its either not alignment indicative or its wrong.
I dont think gk's post is alignment indicative, hapa immediately unvoting is REALLY FUCKING ODD.
Martyring isnt alignment indicative, and if gk stays alive to lylo, is he benefit to town? no because even as town he gave up.
SO KILL HIM.
town game is all about madly tunneling players.
um adam?
Like are you not reading? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?
Has Adam posted anything meaningful?
My push on you isnt a joke, my reasoning is.
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This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him.
Actually explain this more, do you not feel my push on yamato and adam being as not meaningful? Can you say why?
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Since when are you suspicious of GK anyway?
Fuck, have you even read that post of his?
Looking through the last few pages of your filter, I see you mention him a couple of times...
Adam, why is shiao and GK scum? You only summarized shit and didnt say why that makes them scum.
GK saying he is obvtown instead of town is rubbing me the wrong way. Its like obv town is your appearance to the thread, town is your actual alignment.
Im only inclined on lynching Adam/GK/Hapa today.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok final say on GK. I feel that his misguided push on me is townie because I dont think he wouldve done it as scum considering I thought he was scum off 1-2 posts. So drawing my attention? Bad.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if GK is scum, lotta reads are wrong.
But yeah i agree with the analysis about the GK and Shiao issue.
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On June 25 2013 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:Since when are you suspicious of GK anyway? Fuck, have you even read that post of his? Looking through the last few pages of your filter, I see you mention him a couple of times... Show nested quote +Adam, why is shiao and GK scum? You only summarized shit and didnt say why that makes them scum. Show nested quote +GK saying he is obvtown instead of town is rubbing me the wrong way. Its like obv town is your appearance to the thread, town is your actual alignment.
Im only inclined on lynching Adam/GK/Hapa today. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Show nested quote +Ok final say on GK. I feel that his misguided push on me is townie because I dont think he wouldve done it as scum considering I thought he was scum off 1-2 posts. So drawing my attention? Bad. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Show nested quote +
And if GK is scum, lotta reads are wrong.
But yeah i agree with the analysis about the GK and Shiao issue.
I dont like people martyring and long structured posts feel scummier than townier because so much effort for killing yourself. I feel its a ploy.
so why dont you have innate suspicion hapa?
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Also answer the other stuff, out of my post you only get the fact that I changed my mind about GK AGAIN?
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On June 25 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him.
Actually explain this more, do you not feel my push on yamato and adam being as not meaningful? Can you say why?
You're "pushing" them but it's so much more passive than your pushes in past games against other players.
Like this:
On June 25 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh why do I wanna lynch you again?
Why.... .
Everyone had rayn as town except Coag. So thats not really a point in favor of Adam's townieness.
AHHH I DONT KNOW. Am i crazy for seeing something no one else sees?
Why aren't you voting the guy? You clearly think he's scum above all your other reads. Yet it sounds like you're waiting for the approval of others of your case before you do anything.
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##vote adam
Because the last time as you have quoted I tunneled people, against many people, they flipped town. Is it like that again?
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