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On June 25 2013 00:20 goodkarma wrote:
Some food for thought too:
I'm the jailkeeper. I jailed Yamato last night.
May not be the optimal time, but whatevs you guys figure out what the fuck it means that Yamato died the way he did even with my action on him. I'm out for now. cya.
Why did you target yamato?
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Oho mutalisk! Lots of upgrades this game.
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why does rayn's interaction mean that Adam is town? I didnt really see any pushing by rayn.
Can you ACTUALLY look at his filter?
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On June 25 2013 00:20 goodkarma wrote:
Some food for thought too:
I'm the jailkeeper. I jailed Yamato last night.
May not be the optimal time, but whatevs you guys figure out what the fuck it means that Yamato died the way he did even with my action on him. I'm out for now. cya.
Why would you just claim, not even explain your claim, and then leave?
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Ok you got me, I was being lazy.
Adam looks fine because his thinking process is solid and, I believe, hard to manufacture. Why?
Because he had rayn as a decent town read and the logical steps he took in making sense of the D1 wagons are the steps I would have taken. The problems and issues that he encountered are the ones I would expect myself (or any critical thinking town player) to go through.
I actually had rayn as town because I mistook his aggressive questioning as critical thinking, when in fact it was trying to undercut and push mislynches. So it's not unreasonable for Adam to make the same call on him.
All in all, Adam is town because he thinks like me.
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There is a possibility of goodkarma being town and genuinely fed up. The few D2 posts that I read weren't all that bad. But I gtg now and will be back with a fuller report.
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sloosh why do I wanna lynch you again?
Why.... .
Everyone had rayn as town except Coag. So thats not really a point in favor of Adam's townieness.
AHHH I DONT KNOW. Am i crazy for seeing something no one else sees?
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On June 25 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh why do I wanna lynch you again?
Why.... .
Everyone had rayn as town except Coag. So thats not really a point in favor of Adam's townieness.
AHHH I DONT KNOW. Am i crazy for seeing something no one else sees?
Just getting up, I presume it's all in the last couple pages your filter? I need coffee first. Preliminary thoughts: To me it looked like he was setting up suspicion on Adam for a future mislynch but he went about it kind of awkwardly. Adam was in the thread for barely 24 hours when Rayn wrote his last post on him.
I can't rationalize Rayn getting a replacement partner and starting shit on him instead of giving his partner time to establish town presence. It seems like a stretch to say that Rayn's behavior somehow implicates Adam as mafia. Independently of Rayn, Adam was transparent about his thoughts even when he didn't have solid scum reads and I got the impression he was (and still is) genuinely interested in solving the game. Rayn bussing his teammate like that doesn't make sense when there was very little impetus of guilt on Adam's slot.
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Rayn's interaction with Adam is alignment neutral.
How in the world can you say he is interested in solving the game when he has no scumreads AND DOESNT FUCKING DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Just keeps on going, nope, nope, nope. With no obvious effort put in to try and find them.
what the fuck OO.
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On June 25 2013 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn's interaction with Adam is alignment neutral.
How in the world can you say he is interested in solving the game when he has no scumreads AND DOESNT FUCKING DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Just keeps on going, nope, nope, nope. With no obvious effort put in to try and find them.
what the fuck OO.
Hapa read: Town
On June 23 2013 22:25 Adam4167 wrote:
It goes into consideration, but I take their filters in as a whole.
I've just been privileged to play in a town that imploded after pushing 2 scum on day 1, due to the faulty logic "he wasn't on the scum lynch D1, therefore scummy" so i'm hesitant to make that call again here when I see objectively townie play from them, at least in my opinion.
If either Marv or Hapa were scum with DP, they'd have rolled over this town and we'd have lynched OO for sure. Their thread control would have been enormous. No way they'd have let him get lynched if he was their teammate.
Coag read: Town
On June 24 2013 08:27 Adam4167 wrote:
*hi-five* Coag.
You saved me a day of talking to a brick wall.
Oats read: Wants you dead
On June 24 2013 11:10 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm at the point where id be happy to watch him hang regardless of his alignment.
Anti-town? sure. Doesn't make it any less true.
ShiaoPi read: Probably town
On June 24 2013 15:24 Adam4167 wrote:
Mhmm, this is exactly what I was afraid of.
I do not think a scum ShiaoPi would be giving me a town read of right here. Nor was I expecting GK to do it when he did, if he were actually scum.
Something fucking fishy going on this game.
Non-DP Voters: ShiaoPi, marvellosity, Hapahauli, cDgCorazon, Adam4167. Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Raynpelikoneet
Potential suspects remaining: ShiaoPi, marvellosity, Hapahauli, cDgCorazon, Adam4167. Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Raynpelikoneet
Do you see why he wants to lynch you, Oats?
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because he thinks im an ass?
Thats the only reason he has given me.
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Think about it, OO, why has he not said the elimination reason, and instead, said its cause he cant be bothered with reading me and its better to kill me now than for me to lose lylo.
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Anyway Im going to sleep, but ANYONE who says Adam is scumhunting is outright lying and should be killed with fire.
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On June 25 2013 01:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Think about it, OO, why has he not said the elimination reason, and instead, said its cause he cant be bothered with reading me and its better to kill me now than for me to lose lylo.
Quick question then, have you played many games together with Adam? Is his antagonistic nature and desire to kill you "because you're bad" indicative of him being less tolerant of it because of how Smurf ended or because he's not interested in figuring out your alignment as mafia? I can see the case for it being either one, but if you can elaborate on any history you have with him (prior to Smurf) that would point to reasons why this would be out of character for him that would be helpful.
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On June 25 2013 01:49 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Think about it, OO, why has he not said the elimination reason, and instead, said its cause he cant be bothered with reading me and its better to kill me now than for me to lose lylo. Quick question then, have you played many games together with Adam? Is his antagonistic nature and desire to kill you "because you're bad" indicative of him being less tolerant of it because of how Smurf ended or because he's not interested in figuring out your alignment as mafia? I can see the case for it being either one, but if you can elaborate on any history you have with him (prior to Smurf) that would point to reasons why this would be out of character for him that would be helpful.
(I say prior to smurf as in when the game happened, not as in you played in it, just for clarification)
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A lot of games, maybe 4-5?
Most of the games, hes not been really active, just posting once in a while and occansional insightful things.
But oh man, duel mini. He played super well, found lots of scum, was thread leader. Good stuff. Not seeing any of that here.
I dont recall adam as much of a policy lyncher and his lynch is definitely couched as a policy lynch.
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If you have any questions or concerns today, please send them to Acrofales. I won't really be around for the next .
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On June 25 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
A lot of games, maybe 4-5?
Most of the games, hes not been really active, just posting once in a while and occansional insightful things.
But oh man, duel mini. He played super well, found lots of scum, was thread leader. Good stuff. Not seeing any of that here.
I dont recall adam as much of a policy lyncher and his lynch is definitely couched as a policy lynch.
Okay, I think I see where you're getting at with Adam.
His explanation for not scum hunting as aggressively as you saw him do in Duel Mini allegedly has to do with what he is declaring as the "quality of the scum team" plus his confidence in his reads this game compared to that one. That means that he should be ultra-qualifying about his town reads if he's going to scum hunt by process of elimination and from what I'm seeing, his town reads aren't totally comprehensive.
If the scum team is so high caliber, then by his own admission he should be thoroughly mapping his thought processes on and interacting with the players who are likely to be playing this high-caliber scum game. I don't see a short list of players from him who fit this nebulous concept.
Adam, how do you match this concept of a high-level scum game to your current reads. Just based on my own personal experience with players in this game, my list of players that would fit your criteria is staggeringly short (read: Hapa who let the DP lynch go through relatively painlessly + whose scum game would have been outed by Yamato based on their history, and perhaps to a lesser degree ShiaoPi who I had as town at various points in LXI).
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Herp derp derp der.
Derp derpy herpaderp?
Derpaherp.
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On June 25 2013 02:57 Coagulation wrote:
Herp derp derp der.
Derp derpy herpaderp?
Derpaherp.
I agree with everything you said, but I disagree with what I bolded. Could you clarify that?
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