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On June 23 2013 08:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 08:54 gonzaw wrote:
Before I make a case on him please post thoughts on solstice.
...well I still have to finish reading the thread so I may back out (page 22 so far), but thoughts on people are always welcomed I think s0lstice is probable town. He is contributing sensibly to the thread with things that agree with my own way of reading the thread. Of course, being sensible is not an automatic town tell, but I don't see anything that screams scum at me.
I wouldn't call his play so far sensible... How do you get "sensible" from dodging negative attention, bandwagoning without effort and generally just trying to avoid helping town victory?
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## Give No Fucks
@Solstice
The questions seemed scummy to me, as I said, because it feels like he was asking for advice.
@Austin
Yes I am flipping my mind on dandel. In fact Im unvoting him right now; I am convinced he isnt scum. Why? Because of the little exchange with kurumi and general activity.
Also I am having a low focus on this game as a whole to create follow-ups at 5 am after a night of protests and drinking(hence me gone for a long time).
@solstice
Also your argument about the [A] post is ridiculous. Everyone said what had to be said, I see no reason to think that piece of post would determine an alignment or not. This is straw picking already.
Also im posting from my phone, formatting readable posts is hard. Deal with it.
I want to kill solstice for his forced push on me, or sk8r for not posting a reaaon at all(oops, someone already tried it)
##vote s0lstice
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On June 24 2013 02:23 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 24 2013 02:14 Acrofales wrote:On June 24 2013 02:04 s0Lstice wrote:
After that big post I'd think Austin would be a good pivot for you Acro. What are you doing? I'm waiting for him to reply, because he seems to be around (at least somewhat) and I am not completely convinced he's scum, but well on my way there. SnB is based on meta. sk8er is based on him not giving a shit about who he lynches, as long as someone dies. look at the votecount. We SHOULD be giving a shit about getting a lynch atm. Who is almost secondary atm. But you may also keep wasting your vote if you don't give a shit about the lynch. I know you always play like this, and it is pointless to try and convince you otherwise, especially as I won't even be around for the deadline, so I can't even push a proper counterwagon, but we should be trying to lynch scum, not just randomly lynch SOMEONE. Especially as I don't even have a clear scumread on the guy who is currently vote leader (which does not really mean anything until he has a majority). Filtering sk8er again, but by memory, his play boils down to this: 1. Aggressive and trolly start. Unexpected if scum, for being new to the forum. So townie points. 2. Strange reaction to the shot, and didn't actually do anything with it. Not giving out reads, not figuring out what BC's alignment is. 3. Doesn't care where he votes. Point 1 simply doesn't hold up in the face of 2 and 3. Lets kill him.
And I said it was my last post....
1. Metaing me based on being new to the forum. And here I thought I had meta immunity.
2. The shot doesn't actually give me any information, except that he is willing to kill a town because I fos him and he disagrees with my posts. His role and the shot can't prove an alignment. I leaned towards scum because of how hard he raged.
3. I've only voted twice. BC, which was just a random vote to see how he reacted...and he shot at me....and now Zephid, so that we can have an active train going, instead of derailing.
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I believe the correct terminology is ##No Fucks Given.
Interesting decision tho.
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Poland6130 Posts
On June 24 2013 01:51 s0Lstice wrote:
I read your defense Xatalos, and I frankly don't care that you care so much about how I'm not sharing every waking thought I have in thread. If it makes that much of a difference for you, I'm gonna wait and see on you. You are here and posting, so if you are scum I don't think it will be difficult. I prioritize the time I have to play the game with, and Zeph is the lynch I want to go with as I was reading through filters. I can deal with other stuff later.
Gonzaw's case was terrible. Don't care about that either atm. I feel dumber having read it.
You seem content to sail off into confirmation bias land though, so enjoy your journey!
The rest of you bubba's, get your vote on. Let's kill Zeph.
I hate this part.
He wants to lynch his gut read before trying to get best results out of his analysis.
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Goddamnit i missed a page
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Never fear, Kita is here!
Catching up right now and will post my thoughts in a bit.
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Phone when I can check it.
Acro, based on comments, skater's role means he wouldn't have died even if bc didn't get blocked. I don't think you can expect the normal infodump IF he actually survives a shot and WANTED to get shot.
While I don't think skater set himself up to get shot at night, I believe he was trying to. Weird thing to claim, probably true, and hopefully explains the change in behavior.
I also don't read his voteswap as scummy. I'd prefer there be some more reasoning, any original thoughts, but it was so blatant, when I'd expect scum to try and justify.
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Zeph is probably town.
I'm gonna go and ##give no fucks about what I said before and vote s0l
deal w/ it.
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I wouldn't really miss Zephirdd, but I think it's looking good to get a much more likely scum lynched atm (s0Lstice vs. Zephirdd 3-3). If it takes 9 votes to lynch as someone said, it's about time to start focusing (aimed at those single stray voters). In fact, this "close" situation is ideal. I'm pretty sure now that one of them is scum or it wouldn't be this "close" basically. Most likely it would be just one strong wagon or several weak wagons (no need for Mafia to act in any way).
Gonzaw, where are you? 
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Poland6130 Posts
On June 24 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote:I wouldn't really miss Zephirdd, but I think it's looking good to get a much more likely scum lynched atm (s0Lstice vs. Zephirdd 3-3). If it takes 9 votes to lynch as someone said, it's about time to start focusing (aimed at those single stray voters). In fact, this "close" situation is ideal. I'm pretty sure now that one of them is scum or it wouldn't be this "close" basically. Most likely it would be just one strong wagon or several weak wagons (no need for Mafia to act in any way). Gonzaw, where are you?
9 Votes? why would it be that, we're running classic, so anybody with highest votes dies.
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wow this town is awful
1 day, 1 apple
anyway, my kid is having a blast outside so I'm gonna go enjoy that for a bit. back in 30 mins maybe?
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Poland6130 Posts
Oh it really is majority I did not understand decon then o_O
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On June 24 2013 02:44 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote:I wouldn't really miss Zephirdd, but I think it's looking good to get a much more likely scum lynched atm (s0Lstice vs. Zephirdd 3-3). If it takes 9 votes to lynch as someone said, it's about time to start focusing (aimed at those single stray voters). In fact, this "close" situation is ideal. I'm pretty sure now that one of them is scum or it wouldn't be this "close" basically. Most likely it would be just one strong wagon or several weak wagons (no need for Mafia to act in any way). Gonzaw, where are you? 9 Votes? why would it be that, we're running classic, so anybody with highest votes dies.
Hmm. Just now someone said the opposite. Oh well, if that's the case, then it's still good to start focusing on the core lynch candidates (just not as urgent).
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Every single votecount said we need 9 votes to lynch somebody.
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Item 1: inconsistent thought patterns
On June 23 2013 03:06 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 02:40 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 02:25 strongandbig wrote:On June 23 2013 01:16 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 01:05 strongandbig wrote:
Acro you voted me but what do you think of my first post? Y u vote me btw. Voted for you because you're tricksy scum. You used to be easy to catch, but you've upped your game. Your first post picked on a pretty easy target and gave a rather dubious reason for calling him scum (or at least FoS'ing him). You're voting me because I'm harder to catch than I used to be? Okay great. When you say it was "dubious", do you mean that you disagree with my analysis? Because whatshisface just admitted that his bc vote had no real motivation, and I don't buy the "I did it to gauge reactions but I'm not gonna explain what they were or what my analysis is" line, so I'm not feeling too "dubious" here. You think a random vote before BC even posted would have actually meant something? I am keeping it on him because I'm surprised at how you are trying to discredit me for an action that normal people would have just marked off as trolling. to be honest what you just said would implicate snb as scum not me, but keep up the good work. your record of not lynching townies is going to be broken if you manage to lynch me. It's only 1 vote, and yes but I am not sure enough of Snb to put him at 2 votes, yet.
This was the first post that I marked as odd. It was really early in the game. Sk8er didn't want to put SnB at a whopping 2 votes, despite seemingly agreeing that SnB was scum (and he had SnB in his 3man scumteam with BC and WoS).
Late in the day, when votes start to mean something, he is COMPLETELY okay casting a vote on Zephirdd, who he hasn't even mentioned once in his entire filter up to that point. Does he think Zephir is scum? Who knows. He just randomly voted.
Verdict: scum
Item 2: a "fight" with BC
On June 23 2013 03:45 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You didn't even bother answering why you aren't pushing your scum reads. Why aren't you? Making lists with 0 reasoning behind it or solid commitment to your read is useless and is incredibly scummy. You are my scum read, which I have committed to pushing. Making a day 1 list of who I think is scummy is not scummy. Of course i'm not going to push them, because really they are just lists. If you want to be technical, yes I was not serious when I said 100%. It's day 1, you should assume that I was not 100% sure. Defending and discrediting me so hard on day one however, is scummy. Hearing that you died d1 your past few PTP's makes me feel bad. I might consider doing a pity unvote.
So sk8er was pretty hard on BC's case. While the initial pressure vote was useless, in the discussion with BC he doesn't seem to want to back down, but he never actually acts as if he thinks BC is scum. He just throws out percentages and then argues about them.
Then BC gets into it and starts questioning this. In this post he suddenly becomes placating. Note he still hasn't actually given a reason for calling BC scum, he's just "committed to his D1 read". But simultaneously he feels sorry and might unvote. While this seems like a pretty inoccuous townie creating conversation, it could just as well be scum. This is not indicative of alignment, despite what I thought earlier:
Verdict: neutral
Item 3: the shot
My time's up, so I'll be short: he doesn't try to get any useful information out there before the mod comes in to kill him. Rather he buggers around calling the shot fake, without even concluding anything from that assumption.
Even his strong scumread, BC:
On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Since I have yet to flip, I'm going to assume that was a fake day vig kill. go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways.
Now there is something that can actually be used as evidence. He just calls it strange and gives no indication of trying to figure it out.
On June 23 2013 06:03 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:52 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
hosts totally afk the shot is real guys Posted 1 minute after the vote count. GG. Shot probably fake, or failed for some other reason. Which is weird, because both BC and sk8r seem convinced it had no reason to fail. Sk8r! Are you bulletproof? Nope. I most certainly am not. I was going to go cry of getting killed day 1 in my first TL Mafia game. But apparently, BC trolls the trolls with fake day vigi claims. Ok so BC has - Claimed to be vigi Claimed to write his own role, aka vigi Lied about shooting me, to either pressure me into revealing information or something. I was convinced it was real up until now. I have no meta reasoning. People say this makes me illogical when really I need to do plays like this to gain information on them. I'm not going to read through all your past games to get an idea of the Meta. I voted him for no reason, true. He then tunneled me hard and then tried to day shoot me. His reasonings were that I were being anti-town for not revealing reads on a troll post I made. So grats, you forced me to hint at my role. Except now you revealed that you are lying about your role. I am not bulletproof in any way.
Still no judgement. Just aggrieved QQ about being shot. Oh, and BC is a troll.
His tone changes very radically, but he still doesn't make a concerted effort to scumhunt.
Verdict: scum
And, because I am heading out, I am putting my secret vote on him as well. Yes, I have a secret vote. And no, I see no point in keeping that secret.
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On June 24 2013 02:45 Kurumi wrote:
Oh it really is majority I did not understand decon then o_O
Great. Confusion to the max... So it ***is*** majority.... In that case, let's start focusing votes people.
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On June 24 2013 02:35 austinmcc wrote:
Phone when I can check it.
Acro, based on comments, skater's role means he wouldn't have died even if bc didn't get blocked. I don't think you can expect the normal infodump IF he actually survives a shot and WANTED to get shot.
While I don't think skater set himself up to get shot at night, I believe he was trying to. Weird thing to claim, probably true, and hopefully explains the change in behavior.
I also don't read his voteswap as scummy. I'd prefer there be some more reasoning, any original thoughts, but it was so blatant, when I'd expect scum to try and justify.
Sk8er said he WOULD die.
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