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LoneMeow
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On June 06 2013 11:44 Spicydinosaur wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2013 11:34 Xzavier wrote: Also the reason im for lynching a lurker night one is even if it is a noobie who realized they didnt have the time for it, then they arnt ever gonna be useful for us in this game, so it still would be more productive than a No-lynch. I disagree with this. I would rather have a no lynch than to lynch someone i think is a lurking town. We should only be lynching scum, not bad town. I don't see how lynching a townie lurker is more productive. If you think vote for someone because you think he's a lurking scum... fine, but a lurking town vote doesn't help I would very much rather lynch a lurker than go no-lynch. Would you rather: a) be at LYLO with one or more players that are completely unreadable b) be at LYLO slightly earlier with players you can at least try to get a read on Lurking townies aren't just "not useful to town", they're an actual liability later in the game. Obviously you should lynch scum reads over lurkers, but you shouldn't give lurkers a free pass either. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On June 06 2013 14:59 Umasi wrote: iVLosK, I think you are scum. Why? Make a case if you have a good read. I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative. | ||
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On June 06 2013 12:40 Firere345 wrote: Yeah, the random lynch vote also leads me in that direction. Firere345, has your opinion changed? Do you still lean scum on iVLosK!? | ||
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On June 06 2013 15:28 Umasi wrote: I'll operate under the assumption that you're town, because everyone else thinks so, and it seems like more will get done this way. Do you still think he's scum though? If so, I'd like to see a short case explaining why, perhaps you can convince me? | ||
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LoneMeow
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Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now. On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote: In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now. On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote: There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms. I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills. This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy. | ||
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On June 07 2013 16:34 Xzavier wrote: Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him? Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that. Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though. | ||
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On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote: Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing. It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. | ||
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Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. | ||
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LoneMeow
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Anyway, I want to revisit StiMaDDict's original case on me: On June 08 2013 04:11 StiMaDDict wrote: First thing that stuck out to me was that in both cases he is eager for someone other than himself to make a case against iVLosK! while holding back himself. He, not exactly encouraged, but led Umasi to go on with his rant on iV (which caused much dilema later on..) but on the very next line said that he disagrees(?) to what Umasi's not existing case.. Also despite the fact his comment on iV's behavior sounds somewhat reasonable, he doesn't make any case or assumption; only going as far as to say that iV's attitude is neither indication of town or scum. How exactly is asking for someone to explain how reasoning behind a scum claim scummy? At the time I asked for Umasi to present a case he seemed to be playing very emotionally instead of thinking logically and I hoped he would either present a logical case that could help me understand his reasoning for the claim or calm down and realize how weak his claim was. On June 08 2013 04:11 StiMaDDict wrote: His second quote asks Firere345 whether he changed his opinion which appears odd as well. Forget the fact that I have no fucking clue what Firere345 is saying or why he is commenting on Umasi, but why is LoneMeow asking Firere345 if he still thinks iVLosK! is scum. I went through Firere345 filter and he never proposed anything like that before. Given it should have been much more reasonable for LoneMeow to ask Umasi or Xzavier such question not Firere345 because they were voting on iVLosK!. The posts you quoted contain Firere345's scum read on iVLosK! which I was asking about, trying to both get a second opinion on my own read on iVLosK! and to see Firere345's reaction to get a better read on him, seeing how little he had posted at the time. On June 08 2013 04:11 StiMaDDict wrote: Once again, he keeps asking for case on iVLosK! that he neither support nor argue. He seems little too eager to hope on a bandwagon given the chance though. This is just a continuation of the earlier, Umasi still hadn't really presented a logically sound case and seemed to only be prepared to drop his attack on iVLosK! based on the "consensus" at the time, not because he had changed his own opinion. On June 08 2013 04:11 StiMaDDict wrote: I can go much more in detail. On fferyllt direct question, he once again slip passes. Nothing definite that will hurt him later. No concrete background to support his claim. Either he is as lazy as I am or he doesn't want to give anything away. I might add who is your top lynch candidate. The question by fferylt isn't a direct question to me if you read the context, and it's just objectively scummy to fish for opinion without even naming the suspect like that. I'm not sure what you meant by "no concrete background to support his claim", as I didn't make a scum claim, I simply pointed out that fishing for opinion is scummy. On June 08 2013 04:11 StiMaDDict wrote: Even though I have no idea what Gotard did but I can guess a little. It seems Xzavier, who is viewed by majority as town, pointed out something minor about Gotard and Gotard, who wasn't as active as Xzavier immediately engaged him with a vote and scum read possibly. (Correct me if I'm completely off the track) So what Lone Meow decides to do is basically say, "Oh this guy (Gotard) is doing something that is suicidal. He is likely a scum. But wait, this is too suicidal to be something a scum would do. He might be a townie after all." Lastly, his scum read on Firere345 is just plain weak. It seems to me as when he was asked he had to make a reply so he picked one of the lurker. He can probably further Essentially you're saying that my case on Firere345 was weak (well, yes, it was, I even said that much myself later) and that my defense of Gotard was scummy - however as it turns out Firere345 was mafia and Gotard seems likely town by the vote distribution, so I'd say this only makes you look slightly suspicious. | ||
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On June 10 2013 00:51 Onegu wrote: Hopefully the reason he was killed that being said I dont think he posted enough for that. Looking at his votes maybe the only clues but that is a reach. Perhaps the reason he was killed was exactly because there wasn't anything special in his posting history? | ||
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LoneMeow
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On June 08 2013 20:47 Gotard wrote: If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting.. I'll have to admit that I must have misunderstood what you tried to say in your posts if that's what you really wanted to say. Xzavier's case had some convincing points, your case was pretty much just "he sheeped, so he must be scum" which isn't really too sound logic, since sheeping can be a townie trait too. On June 08 2013 20:47 Gotard wrote: And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4)) Consider how weak my read on Firere345 was. It was basically just "this person has lurked almost the whole game, and whenever he posts he's not really saying anything new", which isn't such a strong case when the game is still in day 1 and the person in question has less than 5 total posts. I had to make a quick decision on which wagon to follow and started doubting myself. | ||
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On June 10 2013 01:16 fferyllt wrote: This posits a subtle scum team. Have you looked at his filter? Yes. The only persons he pushes are Gotard and myself. His interaction with iVLosk! says he's probably at least somewhat experienced player on some other site, so that might also give some insight into the kill. | ||
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On June 10 2013 01:33 fferyllt wrote: What sort of thing would you look for in a post to indicate a player might be PR? During day 1 I'd expect someone with a power to "play safe" and try to avoid being lynched or night killed. So probably no super strong opinions but enough committing that he doesn't look suspiciously avoiding it. After day 1, someone who seems to be very certain about something vanillas cannot know. Doesn't really apply to veterans though, I'd expect a veteran to come on very strong during night 1 at least since he's essentially safe to do that. | ||
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On June 10 2013 01:43 fferyllt wrote: See, I did see something in his posts when I filtered him that in retrospect gave off that vibe. I think I would have picked up on it as scum. Then again, he did attack Gotard pretty strongly. I'm not so sure about that. | ||
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On June 10 2013 01:56 Spicydinosaur wrote: 6. As for lone... I want to see more of his posts before I throw a vote on him. Also Lone... who are your scum reads atm. I know it sounds a bit OMGUS but I'd point my finger at StiMaDDict right now. The fact is, just about everyone else I am suspicious of currently has interacted with Firere345 in ways that make them look pro-town. It doesn't make me any less suspicious that StiMaDDict didn't bother update his case on me after Firere345 flipped red, even though a relatively large part of the case was based on my defense of Gotard and FoS on Firere345. So I very much want to see how he responds. | ||
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On June 10 2013 15:07 Sylencia wrote: VOTE COUNT FOR DAY 2 LoneMeow (1) - fferyllt Umasi (1) - Onegu Not Voting - The rest of you. Currently, LoneMeow is set to be lynched. Next deadline is in: [unparsable timestamp format]. You must vote, and remember to tell us if the vote count is wrong! You missed a vote here: On June 10 2013 00:15 StiMaDDict wrote: I didn't find anything particularly out of place from Skanjab1 filter.. anyway, time to die mafia motherfucker.. ##Vote: LoneMeow | ||
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Onegu, are you around? Do you want to explain your suspicion on Yavanna a bit more? I'm somewhat suspicious of her too, but her last post gives me a strong contradictory read: On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote: If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi) This happens right as the Gotard wagon starts, I don't think scum would be ready to lynch one of their own that early, especially since Firere345 wasn't really under heavy suspicion at that point and Gotard would've been an easy target. | ||
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On June 10 2013 16:25 Onegu wrote: Town: iVlosk and Xzavier I have some questions about xzavier but I still feel town at this point. I can agree about iVLosK! looking very town at the moment. Not so sure about Xzavier though, his activity early on seemed very pro-town but he was somewhat reluctant about Firere345 and the vote switches were just plain weird, there's no explanation on why he switched to Firere345 for a moment, instead he talks about Umasi in that post. | ||
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On June 10 2013 17:25 Onegu wrote: I dont think think firere was bussed and the final vote on him was later and he could have been saved. Meaning if Yavanna is scum then most likely the third scum was on gotard. If Yavanna isnt scum then I am not sure I dont think all scum would put thier vote on gotard as that makes it eaiser to look there and finish them off. I wouldn't completely count out Firere345 being bussed, if his inactivity was because of actual IRL business and not just intentional lurking. Town cred could easily be worth getting rid of useless team member. Still, it would be somewhat ballsy move on day 1 and this is a newbie game... Not sure what to make of that. | ||
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On June 10 2013 23:30 Spicydinosaur wrote: Easy win for scum? We day 1 lynched scum in a noob game... if anything they are the ones feeling the pressure. And saying we need more activity coming from you is quite peculiar. Don't say we need more activity... MAKE ACTIVITY If you look at the posts, I've been one of the most active posters in the last 10 hours or so, but it's not useful unless I can get others to talk too. On June 10 2013 23:30 Spicydinosaur wrote: Lone you were looking at StiMaDDict as a possible scum target but barely explained why. Mostly his bringing a new case so close to lynch deadline with two wagons is not very towny. It was practically impossible for me to get lynched at that point, so the case was mostly just disruptive and could have helped Firere345 avoid getting lynched if a few votes had changed from him to me. I also massively dislike him not participating in almost any other discussion beside tunneling me, because that makes him a huge liability for the rest of the game if I get mislynched. I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. | ||
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On June 10 2013 23:12 fferyllt wrote: Do you think the cases posted about you are bad? I posted a pretty large rebuttal to StiMaDDict's case. I especially dislike how he didn't bother to update the Firere345/Gotard part of it, even though none of that is anything like valid after Firere345 flipped red. I do admit that I was afk a lot during day 1 and that made the few posts I did manage to write look somewhat worse than they could have been, so the case isn't completely without merit. | ||
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On June 10 2013 23:57 Spicydinosaur wrote: What do you think of Stim's call to vig shoot you night 1? Doesn't feel like scum play, but that of a tunneling townie. That's probably the most townie thing he's done so far, yes. Although I don't consider it very smart move even as such. | ||
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On June 10 2013 23:55 fferyllt wrote: Last night, reading your convo with Onegu I read a buddying-up vibe to your posts. I'll have to fliter-dive again to confirm this, but my sense is that you have not initiated many interactions other than with Onegu. He was about the only one around, so I could hardly initiate interactions with anyone else :/ He's also on my list of suspicious people, though not at the top at the moment. I really didn't like his vote on day 1 being outside the wagons, that's somewhat counterproductive for town. | ||
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On June 11 2013 00:19 Spicydinosaur wrote: Having a vote outside of the wagons is not in and of itself indicative of alignment. Wouldn't you be more suspicious of him if he switched votes at the end to someone else? I've voted outside of the wagons because I didn't believe in them in previous games. He never explained why he didn't believe in the wagons, that makes voting outside look bad to me. In fact, reading through what he said I notice that he hardly commented on Firere345 at all - it looks pretty bad to be honest. | ||
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On June 11 2013 03:49 Spicydinosaur wrote: Most reasons are summed up by others but I feel to add/ explain a few others. His D1 excuses for not posting give me a similar scum feel like firere. Very spotting posting coupled with excuses. Only after there is a lot of suspicion on him does he post a lot more. His flip to Gotard still doesnt sit well with me and I was not satisfied with his answer. Furthermore his N1/D2 postings have been mostly damage control on his D1 activity. He has no scum reads atm and the only one he had real suspicions for was Stim. The case against Stim was rather weak and wrong in many instances. Though now he is unsure of Stim so he's back to 0 with scum reads. I love how you selectively ignore parts of my posts. On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote: I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi | ||
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Firere345, were you actually busy IRL or just lurking? Overall it was fun, but it was a bit annoying that most of the useful day 2 discussion happened in the last hours before lynch, when I had already gone to bed. And way too much afking and modkills, of course. Oh and I kind of got shafted by being busy IRL for day 1 so I didn't get to post enough and had to decide on the vote in a hurry. | ||
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