Doctor Who Mafia

On May 15 2013 06:26 phagga wrote:
wait, are we able to recognize weeping angels in the light?

On May 15 2013 07:08 Blazinghand wrote:
Despite what's been said, I think we shoudl claim move speeds. On the one hand, it gives angels information, but on the other, angels can see who we are anyways they'll figure it out anyways from watching us move during the first night, right? Whoever claims their speed isn't giving scum info they won't find out immediately anyways, so...

I have speed 5

On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

On May 15 2013 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range.

in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players.

I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong.

On May 15 2013 07:23 phagga wrote:
ok, so basically what we could do is we give everyone a direction and a moving speed for next night. We'd only need MS 1-3 and all four directions. Even if mafia fucks with us, we still get 6 people clearly identified on the board. Then we could work from there. How does that sound?

On May 15 2013 07:34 phagga wrote:
if we know who the angel is, yes.

On May 15 2013 18:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
So if I understand this right, the board as it is right now displays 9 towns and 3 puppets, and the angel pieces are invisible?

On May 15 2013 22:13 Oatsmaster wrote:

why repeat what everyone has said already?

On May 15 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:

You know, I tried that 'marv is too nice' tell before. yeah its not accurate Same with the leader thing.

On May 15 2013 23:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'd wait on fferyllt before lynching. I havent seen his name anywhere before so I'm not ruling out the possibility of an honest mistake. I'll probably have a concrete opinion by the end of the day, however.

Note that player B can see player J right now. It might help in figuring out if a player is not player B, because they absolutely would see movement in their periphery if they were.

On May 15 2013 23:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Being relatively new (to TL) and overeager. I don't know about his mafiascum history so I can't say how many games he's played or whether the TL and MS atmospheres are different enough to alter one's gameplay.

On May 15 2013 23:53 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, what I would probably aim to do, given the setup, is to try and gather 2 groups together. The ABCFJ block is quite nice, and positioned well. If they head for the top left corner (assuming there's no angels in the way) and try and set up defensively there.

The rest are scattered around a bit more, but its still salvagable if they aim to head towards the bottom edge, probably close to where E is right now. G is the most isolated of everyone and is a good bet for being the first angel-food unless he has high movespeed.

Identifying who we all are is definitely a priority. I would argue that rather than waiting until the deadline to announce our moves, we should all come up with 12 unique moves and assign them to each player. This avoids any chance of scum doubling up on moves.

On May 16 2013 00:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


This is why I propose everyone to the edges instead of everyone standing back to back in the middle. Speaking of which:



This is very suspicious looking

On May 16 2013 00:13 Zephirdd wrote:


I don't think it makes sense to have puppets if the angels are shown on the board. My interpretation at least.

On May 16 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I hate plans. Plans suck.

On May 16 2013 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote:

plan is.

everyone claims their 3 things, direction/number of spaces moved/looking where.

K.

Moving on. Why no reads boyo?

On May 16 2013 01:47 Oatsmaster wrote:

Cause you scum bro. Call it gut reads, call it pro mafia skillz.

On May 16 2013 02:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why is phagga so townie marv? I cannot comprehend.

On May 16 2013 01:47 marvellosity wrote:
Not really my MO to lynch the dude who's thought about the game the most and made the most effort

call me a traditionalist

On May 16 2013 02:38 Zephirdd wrote:
##unvote fferyllt
That's more like it.

I'd like to see more from decond when he is available tbh.

On May 16 2013 05:23 Zephirdd wrote:


>ctrl+f speed on crossfire's and greymist's filter
> one match, saying



Okay

On May 16 2013 08:54 ghost_403 wrote:
*crickets in the thread*

And people wonder why I don't post.

A brief retort at Marv and Dec: Only an idiot would completely ignore the mechanics of a game. I chimed in my two cents, and then I was off to scum hunt. Unfortunately, it seems that no one is around whenever I'm here. Your reasons for voting me are terrible. Not a good sign, haven't decided what to make of that.

I'm not impressed by Dec's play, but I might just be mad at him for voting me. I really don't like Oats play this game: plans are good, plans are bad, I'm on board, I feel like he's all over the place. I can't be arsed to look into his meta, otherwise I would lynch him for begin all over the place and generally unhelpful. BH's vouching for his meta is stopping me from voting him at the moment. I trust his read, haven't thought too much about his alignment.

I'm not happy with Vivax's play, but I'm never happy with Vivax's play. I really don't like this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
It seems passionate and poorly thought out. He's not trying to figure out Sentinel's alignment, or really thinking about what's going on; he's trying to push him onto the defensive and start an easy lynch. It kind of looks like he immediately dropped it, but it is kind of hard to tell at this point in the game.

Until someone convinces me that leaving Vivax in game is a good idea,

##vote vivax

On May 16 2013 10:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:




Explain me why you vote for Vivax and not myself. That's a shitty vote to throw around.

On May 16 2013 20:23 Vivax wrote:
I didn't even realize he had written that.

Sentinel gets townie points for pointing out a selectivity that would favor him.
I'm just troubled with ghost showing a preference at all. It's possible he and sentinel are scumbuddies, but why does sentinel point it out then?

On May 16 2013 21:16 Vivax wrote:


Oats cause he played like scum, and I wouldn't regret the loss if he's town. Frankly I don't understand how you can give him a townread just like that, I would like you to expand on it, and also your opinion on BH quickly abandoning the Oats option and then claiming towards me to have laid out reasoning for Oats being town, when he has only sheeped your reasoning IIRC.

As for others, I'll wait for the return of Sentinel and Ghost to comment on the situation.
Sharrant if he doesn't post more. He's usually very lengthy and insightful as town.

On May 16 2013 21:20 phagga wrote:


What exactly is troubling you about fferyltt?

On May 16 2013 21:20 Vivax wrote:
Marv, could you answer your own question now?

On May 16 2013 21:53 Vivax wrote:
We mustn't forget to talk about our moves though. Finding a good lynch target is fine, but not having the angels feed on us is possibly a higher priority than that. This game is won on the board for them.

I'm currently looking at B and J and they are close to each other, they are basically already in a pair, any idea on how they should move ideally?

On May 16 2013 22:03 Vivax wrote:
What I'm suggesting is a general pattern we should be using to reach the sides quickly as possible or whatever.
Or how we can coordinate our movements to maximize the effectiveness of B and J.

On May 16 2013 22:09 Vivax wrote:
Marv, you're starting to piss me off. Think about a good strategy instead of talking about "scumslips".

For example, the majority of players is on the left, if you want to reach the sides of the board, what would you do? You would let everyone move left, cause if everyone moves right, logically the majority would reach a position in the middle.

On May 16 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:


I don't have anything concrete for them, I was trying to start some general musing about strategy.
There might be a pattern to use to maximize the effectiveness of people being close to each other, the movement they make, the direction they face.

And by pattern I mean, something everyone can agree on using, maybe cause there is a constellation on the board that encourages the use of a specific common strategy.

On May 16 2013 23:50 fferyllt wrote:
Then I guess I better go find that voting thread.

It looks like people post their votes in both threads. Is that the conveention?

On May 17 2013 00:06 fferyllt wrote:

They don't really seem adequate to me. Do they to you?

On May 17 2013 00:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
Just to make sure I'm following, are you two talking about vivax's explanations for his recent posts, or sentinel's explanations earlier D1?

On May 17 2013 00:14 Sharrant wrote:
Vivax:
Honestly, the thing that sticks out to me the most about Vivax is his willingness to lynch Oats despite the first hand knowledge he has of Oats doing this as town last game. On the one hand, I could see a townie frustrated with how the game went last time because of Oats, and wanting to punish that behaviour in town while still giving himself a 1/4 chance to hit scum. Or I could see mafia going for what he thinks is an easy mislynch, like last game.

Sentinel:
Sentinel is where my vote would feel safest. His filter just seems off, but not in the "paranoia/jumping at shadows" way that a town player can feel off. He spent so much time defending himself about his weird read early on, but people were asking him questions about it, so he gets a little bit of a pass on that part. The biggest thing that reads as scum in his filter to me, is his dropping of Vivax as a suspect just when everyone else was warming up to his lynch.

Ghost:
Ghost, last time we played we were on the same wavelength instantly. That immediately gave me a huge town read on you, this game we're pretty far apart. In the last two games I played, Vivax was a very strong force for town. He established his townieness right away, but didn't just rely on that for credit, he kept playing a consistent game. Half your reasoning for killing Vivax seems to be "This post was kind of scummy", and the other half seems to be "Vivax's town game isn't good enough to belong in this town". Please go and skim his filter in Boardwalk PYP (I think that's the right game).

On May 17 2013 00:59 phagga wrote:

I have no idea what that means.

I have to head off to the train, I should be online again in about 3 hours hopefully (depends on the kids).

On May 17 2013 01:12 Sharrant wrote:


Zepphird also voted for him in that time frame. After seeing Vivax get two quick votes from people that sounded like they were ready to pursue him about it, yes I could see him unvoting and just trying to ride out the day. There were 3 votes on him all within 1 or 2 pages, it certainly looked to me, when I was reading through everything, that votes were going to pile up on Vivax from that point on.

On May 16 2013 00:04 deconduo wrote:


Use a random number generator to assign the moves or something. Or come up with 24/36 moves and give people a choice between 2/3 of them which they reveal after the deadline. There are a few ways around it anyway.

The only problem with this is that everyone has different move speeds.

On May 17 2013 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:

no that is what you wrote. Simplified, but it is.

On May 17 2013 01:55 Sharrant wrote:
You have my axe, Marv.

##Vote: Deconduo

On May 17 2013 02:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
bad plan = mafia motivated plan.
If deconduo did this in every game, he wouldnt be scum off that right? So the lynchpin is META.

On May 17 2013 02:04 Zephirdd wrote:
We can still lynch sharrath i thimk. Deadline is in 3 hours iirc. Posting from phone @class so forgive me if this post is rushed.

I dislike a deconduo lynch though. I made a big post about all players where I say it - there was a question he asked that makes me think would never be asked by an angel.

Vivax looks like a better lynch than decond atm IMO

On May 17 2013 02:02 fferyllt wrote:
I'm seriously considering sheeping you, marvellosity. Want to reread some thread sections first, though.

On May 17 2013 04:54 Blazinghand wrote:
WE CAN STILL DO VIVAX??? anyone?

On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax

Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...

On May 17 2013 04:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
You have two minutes BH. Sell me. I have the changing post ready to go. Just sell me.

On May 17 2013 05:07 deconduo wrote:


I'm not misrepresenting:



Don't know how that doesn't count as meta. Also where did you bring up interacting with people?

Finally, regarding the case being shit, you seem to have had the opposite opinion here:

On May 25 2013 06:45 Crossfire99 wrote:
GreY is too kind. He helped a lot with the idea, setup, and balance. He made sure you guys weren't in some horribly imbalanced game that was no fun. Thanks GreY!

On May 25 2013 06:51 GreYMisT wrote:


In a closed theme game I design fakeclaims for the scum team so they are written with my style of flavor. I usually have the scum team tell me generally what powers they want the role to have and what they want it to do, and I will make it work. The point being to lessen the impact of roles in a game that is supposed to be about behavioral analysis.

On May 25 2013 06:54 GreYMisT wrote:


There is a difference between fake claims and safe claims. I provide safe claims in most of my games.

On May 25 2013 06:59 mkfuba07 wrote:

Yeah >: |

On May 25 2013 07:00 GreYMisT wrote:


The point being, no where in the OP did I say there would only be 1 cop, or give any blue examples at all. This should be a lesson in assumptions.

You might not like it, but this is the way that I run things.

On May 25 2013 07:21 GreYMisT wrote:
well on day 2 they only knew that you were a traditional medic. Plus its also hard to assume anything in my games frankly. I had vanilla town in a role madness game for example.

Do i personally do claims in the way crossfire did? No, as I said I normally have the scum tell me what powers they want, and i just put a name and flavor to it. I let corssfire handle much of the issues in this game, and did not find his safeclaim to be a game breaking problem due to the reasoning I have previously been providing.

On May 25 2013 07:29 Crossfire99 wrote:

I see where your coming from. Honestly, what happened this game, was that I tried to think of a person related to the Weeping Angels that wasn't in the game already. I mistakenly gave them Canton Everett Delaware III because I confused him with Billy Shipton. Basically, I was just looking for someone involved with the Weeping Angels that I could use and a dt happened to fit the flavor I thought of first. I definitely thank you for opinion and will probably adopt GreY's policy now to make it simpler and less controversial.