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Blazinghand *
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April 25 2013 04:57 GMT
#33
/obs
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May 04 2013 00:10 GMT
#46
/unobs

/in
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May 11 2013 19:36 GMT
#59
/in
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May 13 2013 20:20 GMT
#72
/hype
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Last Edited: 2013-05-13 21:24:31
May 13 2013 20:20 GMT
#73
On May 14 2013 05:17 GreYMisT wrote:
The game will begin tomorrow. Role PMs and the Daypost will both go out at Tuesday, May 14 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)


fixed it
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May 13 2013 20:26 GMT
#75
I dunno but i just changed his thing from 05 to 15 which seems to put it in roughly 48 hours from now
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May 14 2013 22:08 GMT
#101
Despite what's been said, I think we shoudl claim move speeds. On the one hand, it gives angels information, but on the other, angels can see who we are anyways they'll figure it out anyways from watching us move during the first night, right? Whoever claims their speed isn't giving scum info they won't find out immediately anyways, so...

I have speed 5
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May 14 2013 22:12 GMT
#103
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate
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May 14 2013 22:15 GMT
#105
It also makes sense that doctor/JK powers operate in this fashion
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May 14 2013 22:22 GMT
#109
On May 15 2013 07:19 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

Why is this beneficial? When we all come closer together, it gets easier for angels to get right next to townies. If anything, we should first try to figure out who we are on the board before just trying to move blindly to the center. The goal has to be to shine at angels from a safe distance, not get right next to everybody else.


yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range.

in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players.

I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong.
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May 14 2013 22:24 GMT
#113
On May 15 2013 07:23 phagga wrote:
ok, so basically what we could do is we give everyone a direction and a moving speed for next night. We'd only need MS 1-3 and all four directions. Even if mafia fucks with us, we still get 6 people clearly identified on the board. Then we could work from there. How does that sound?


Maybe we should all claim our movement patterns JUST before the lynch happens. Mafia won't have time to send in imitation movements between our claim and the day ending. This would probably be the best way for us to identify ourselves on the game board.
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May 14 2013 22:25 GMT
#114
On May 15 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 15 2013 07:19 phagga wrote:
On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

Why is this beneficial? When we all come closer together, it gets easier for angels to get right next to townies. If anything, we should first try to figure out who we are on the board before just trying to move blindly to the center. The goal has to be to shine at angels from a safe distance, not get right next to everybody else.


yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range.

in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players.

I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong.


I'm not sure how I feel about all this. I'll have to think about it because it makes my brain hurt already.


fair enough
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May 14 2013 22:29 GMT
#116
given that angels can lose two movement speed in the flashlight i'm going to guess they have like 3+ movement speed. If they had 2 or less it would just say they couldn't move while caught in a flashlight
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May 15 2013 02:55 GMT
#139
On May 15 2013 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im confused.
If scum have puppets, then wont analyzing the movements on the board useless? Since you cant tell that its a puppet. Can you?


the plan is, we announce our movements JUST before the lynch, and we move in distinct patterns. scum won't be able to mimic our patterns if we post them JUST before the lynch, and it will let us figure out who is who (something that scum already knows)
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May 15 2013 03:25 GMT
#148
Zephirdd is almost certainly town
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May 15 2013 03:32 GMT
#151
you guys should sign up for chinese grammar micro mafia. it's a voice game happening in like 16 hours and it's gonna be awesome. one slot is open! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412432
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May 15 2013 17:32 GMT
#249
On May 16 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I hate plans. Plans suck.
How about for day 1. EVERYONE JUST CHOOSES RANDOM ACTIONS AND DIRECTIONS???????.

zeph and deconduo have only been talking about setup. Only. Hmm. Easy to do as scum.

Zeph, do you have reads?
Deconduo, do you have reads?


Well it doesn't need to be random, but I get it if you don't want to do what we're doing, but i think the plan to claim our movements just before nightfall is optimal.
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May 15 2013 17:41 GMT
#254
On May 16 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
People we probably shouldn't be lynching today:

marv (qtpie)
Oats (annoying tryhard/bullshitter)
Zeph
phagga
Blazing (probably)

People maybe we shouldn't lynch, but who knows:

Sharrant
deconduo

Distinctly lynchable:

fferyllt
ghost
Sentinel
Vivax
fuba

ez pz, right?


I agree with a lot of this, but let me talk to you about Oats. IS he being an annoying tryhard/bullshitter? Sure. Although a lot of town players do this though, something seem really off about how he's going about it to me. Something seems really off. I can't quite put my finger on it. It's stuff like this:

On May 16 2013 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
It's the value of doing something yourself that you expect others to be doing. There's no point wildly accusing people of not scumhunting, when you have done literally zero scumhunting. Your filter is one of the longest in the game and yet it is completely devoid of any meaningless content.

Interesting marv. And yours is?
setup stuff, setup stuff, setup stuff, fluff, questions regarding my playstyle.

Nope nothing there.

Why dont you push someone?


Like, we're in a super dooper themed game. Is setup stuff not scumhunting? Sure, but take a look how zephirdd asked and figured things out and comes out looking townie. Like, there is the obvious explantion here that Oats is just trying to put on his "aggro town" shoes but they fit him really poorly. It feels like he's faking it to me.

I usually like to make more strident cases, but this is what I have right now: a hunch.

##vote Oatsmaster
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May 15 2013 17:43 GMT
#256
Hm, okay. I'll dive his meta and see if I can find an example of him doing this. If I can, i'll unvote him.
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Blazinghand *
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May 15 2013 17:48 GMT
#258
Yeah, there he is in BoardwalkYP shitting on people for trying to figure out the setup :/ welp

##unvote
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May 15 2013 17:50 GMT
#259
marv i found these posts rather anti-setup speculaty of him

On April 04 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On April 04 2013 22:23 Mocsta wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:12 Mocsta wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:10 Mocsta wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:04 Mocsta wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]I dont see a point debating this.

Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference.

So you just argued against yourself?

As i said there is no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't and all you are doing by vanilla claims is give scum information about town roles.

Are you a knob head or something?

You are the one who said, #3 who tries for CPR outs the town CPR at #1 or #2.

I was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. i.e. could be town or scum.. not just town.

My point is exactly that. You can't know. How are you going to figure that out?

Seriously, your starting to piss me off.

Find where I state I will believe the claim?

I am saying it is a tool that can be used to catch liars blah blah later down the track.


How?

because its information.

just because we have it now, doesnt mean we need to process it now.

its something that can be stored away, and pulled out post flips, or watever.

im really surprised we have to comment about basics of mafia play here?


???
So why dont we all roleclaim at the start of the game then?

In my humble opinion; the two events are trying to achieve different outcomes.

mass Roleclaim: as far as I understand it, is an attempt to solve the game setup; and establish individuals as confirmed town/scum.

Forced VT claim: is an attempt to understand whether "key roles" are in the game. The action itself should not be used to establish individuals as confirmed town/scum.

I see a clear dichotomy.

And if we know the roles in the game, how does that help us?

Info is a lazy answer dude.

On April 04 2013 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On April 04 2013 23:44 austinmcc wrote:
And for Oats, because I WOULD like to see most people state 3 powerful roles and WHY they want to deny those from mafia.

(1) CPR doc - In mafia hands this is a multi-shot vig but without accountability (america = multi-shot nuker but has to publicly out self). Doubles mafia KP, but secretly.

(2) Assassin - See above. Mafia knows all alignments, therefore this is a multi-shot vig without accountability.

(3) Janitor - Information from flips good for town. Lack of that information for town bad. LOTS of KP roles in this game, good chance that some townies will be firing as well as mafia maybe getting extra KP, so there's the chance to hide multiple flips.

(4) Role swapper/copy cat - These are dangerous only in that they can be used to get dangerous roles. Role swapper somewhat prevents town from denying mafia a role, but power still out of mafia hands for a night and the town role swapper then basically can DT check someone (if they've claimed, see if they're lying. If not, can you tell whether they've used their role, and in a townie/scummy way?). Copy cat another way to try and get a strong power passed down.

Roles that I considered but dont' think are as strong as they look:

(1) Hooker - Multi-shot vig without accountability. Stronger than the above because you CAN infect multiple targets. Weaker than the above because can be medic protected off. Also weaker than the above because, HOPEFULLY, if a townie knows he's going to die next cycle, he can be very vocal and is trustworthy/semi-confirmed-town (given that town hookers shouldn't be hooking willy-nilly, so we can assume he was targeted by a mafia hooker).


How in the world does stating setup information help town? What?
Thats saying why GF is a good role. WHAT IS THE POINT?


am i misreading? or does he seem to be more speculative/planning in PYP?
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May 15 2013 17:52 GMT
#263
Yeah I guess this is just how the man operates. Might not be a towntell but it's not a scumtell. Given that, I am no longer interested in lynching Oats during this day.
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May 15 2013 18:00 GMT
#264
fferyllt looks like he'll open up with more conversation and has played mafia before. I give him a pass for being new to TL Mafia. Mkfuba is straight up inactive, I would not lynch him today. We can talk it out with his replacement tomorrow rather than policying him.

I consider ghost like sort of lynchworthy but his interaction with oats seems genuine to me. I don't think his first post is worth crap though. I'm down for vivax lynch. I'll reread after chinese micro and be more specific and give a better read
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May 16 2013 05:00 GMT
#301
On May 16 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote:
I would also lynch Oats. All he's done so far is troll, being disruptive and ask stupid questions. I've seen him do that as town last time but I don't care. This isn't a game with grushes and kushes and if he wants to be the one guy playing that role, then I'll gladly policy-kick him out of the game.

His defense of Sentinel doesn't make any sense.
He complains about setup talk when this is essentially a team board game.

No WIFOM mindfucks, lynch people playing for scum. Unless he starts contributing meaningfully, he's up for the gallows.


I strongly oppose a policy lynch on Oats. I'm sure the guy is readable. the fact of the matter is, the guy acts like this always in themed games as town. If you lynch him you're saying "i personally don't like oats" at this point

now like i will be on him (and others) for productivity going forwards but based on oats acting like he literally always acts you can't say he's scum. all you can say is you don't like him
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May 16 2013 05:36 GMT
#303
On May 16 2013 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 16 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote:
I would also lynch Oats. All he's done so far is troll, being disruptive and ask stupid questions. I've seen him do that as town last time but I don't care. This isn't a game with grushes and kushes and if he wants to be the one guy playing that role, then I'll gladly policy-kick him out of the game.

His defense of Sentinel doesn't make any sense.
He complains about setup talk when this is essentially a team board game.

No WIFOM mindfucks, lynch people playing for scum. Unless he starts contributing meaningfully, he's up for the gallows.


I strongly oppose a policy lynch on Oats. I'm sure the guy is readable. the fact of the matter is, the guy acts like this always in themed games as town. If you lynch him you're saying "i personally don't like oats" at this point

now like i will be on him (and others) for productivity going forwards but based on oats acting like he literally always acts you can't say he's scum. all you can say is you don't like him

Do you still wanna lynch Vivax? You said you were reading him after other game. Where is the fruit of your labour?


no such labor took place. the other game ended up lasting several hours instead of one and took up my whole afternoon
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May 16 2013 05:37 GMT
#304
that being said, I think vivax is certainly wrong for trying to lynch you. couching it as a policy lynch based on animus is scummy but it's the kind of thing a lower-tier player would think is actually legit so yeah
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May 16 2013 06:13 GMT
#306
i'd say vivax is on top of my hitlist
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May 16 2013 06:13 GMT
#307
maybe ghost. need to read ghost

but yeah vivax isn't making sense
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May 16 2013 06:24 GMT
#309
yeah but that policy lynch is literally the most usefu lthing he's done all game

you know what yeah i'm right

as always

hey vivax time to get dunked

##vote vivax
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May 16 2013 18:38 GMT
#470
On May 16 2013 22:41 mkfuba07 wrote:
Now I'm wondering if Vivax doesn't fully understand how movement works (or if I don't), or if we're misunderstanding what he's trying to say...

On May 16 2013 22:43 Vivax wrote:
I checked actually, and misunderstood how movement works. Forget everything I said -.-


convenient, but i'm not buying it. at all.
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May 16 2013 18:42 GMT
#471
vivax what the dicks is wrong with you, just look at how zephirdd started this day, he's the only obvious town around right now

wat
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May 16 2013 18:42 GMT
#472
i'm going to read this deconduo case and see if I like him better than vivax.
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May 16 2013 18:51 GMT
#473
Ok, I see why you'd want to lynch deconduo. His setup speculation was more scummy than most, and the ghost_403 case was definitely low-hanging fruit-- since it's so easy for mafia to make this sort of case, he doesn't get towncred for doing so imo. The thought process is not complex.

I'm willing to lynch him if consolidation is needed, but as it stands, Vivax is who I'd much rather lynch.

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May 16 2013 19:49 GMT
#486
i see that there are 3 votes on vivax, for on deconduo. I will not let a no-lynch happen. there are 10 minutes remaining. everyone get onto deconduo. now.

##unvote
##vote deconduo
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May 16 2013 19:53 GMT
#490
sentinel with you me dec and ghost phagga oats we could have 6 on Vivax

one more to lynch

ANYONE WANT TO GO TO VIVAX?
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May 16 2013 19:54 GMT
#492
WE CAN STILL DO VIVAX??? anyone?
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May 16 2013 19:55 GMT
#494
fferyllt if we no-lynch by god I will reach through the internet and kick you in the balls so hard that 25 years ago your dad will feel it and pull out of your mom and you'll never be born. VOTE SOMEONE
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May 16 2013 19:55 GMT
#496
On May 17 2013 04:55 Zephirdd wrote:
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On May 17 2013 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:
fferyllt if we no-lynch by god I will reach through the internet and kick you in the balls so hard that 25 years ago your dad will feel it and pull out of your mom and you'll never be born. VOTE SOMEONE


She has no balls.


that's how hard i will kick
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May 16 2013 19:56 GMT
#499
##unvote
##vote Vivax

GOGOGO
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May 16 2013 19:56 GMT
#500
WE're swapping to vivax! we are swapping to vivax! everyone unvote and vote vivax!
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May 16 2013 19:57 GMT
#502
WE NEED ONE MORE ON VIVAX
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May 16 2013 19:58 GMT
#507
VOTE FOR VIVAX,OR WE NOLYNCH

HURRY UP HURRY UP HURRY UP
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May 16 2013 19:59 GMT
#511
VIVAX HAS OBSTRUCTED, HE HAS NOT POSTED, HE HAD TO BE PRODDED INTO EVERYTHING

HIS POLICY LYNCH ON OATS IS SHIT, IT MAKES NO SENSE

JUST VOTE FOR CHISSAKES OR ITS A NOLYNCH
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May 16 2013 19:59 GMT
#515
VOTE VIVAX OR IT IS A NO LYNCH
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May 16 2013 19:59 GMT
#516
DO IT IN THE VOTING THREAD TOO
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May 16 2013 19:59 GMT
#518
I look forwards. I move 3 tiles forwards and scuttle 2 tiles crabwise to the left.
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May 16 2013 20:00 GMT
#524
OH THANKS ZEPH
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May 16 2013 20:08 GMT
#538
On April 14 2013 07:35 GreYMisT wrote:
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 47 hour COMBINED day/night cycle. There will be a 1 hour resolution period where no posting will be allowed. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 47 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.

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May 16 2013 21:27 GMT
#567
I'm E, since E moved forwards 2 and sc;utted crabwise 3
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May 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#569
also moral of the story is shenannies are always good
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May 16 2013 22:00 GMT
#582
On May 17 2013 06:57 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 06:39 Zephirdd wrote:
On May 17 2013 06:34 mkfuba07 wrote:
On May 17 2013 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm E, since E moved forwards 2 and sc;utted crabwise 3

Didn't E move forward 3 and left 2?


that's what he did:
On May 17 2013 04:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I look forwards. I move 3 tiles forwards and scuttle 2 tiles crabwise to the left.


Yeah, my bad. His second one had them backwards, so I got confused.


yeah sorry my mathing skills are bad
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May 17 2013 05:09 GMT
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Well, Zephirdd is definitely town, as before. He wouldn't do this as scum.

Vivax/oats interaction doesn't seem to make a hyooj amount of sense for the oats=scum hypothesis just because, if I were scum and trying to get a stupid nonsensical case going against a somewhat incompetent player, I know I sure as hell wouldn't be doing it against a fellow scum guy. It's possible Vivax was busing/distancing Oats, I get that, but what's more likely to me is Vivax was lazy scum looking for an easy lynch and that Oats would be doable since Oats isn't very good. I don't have to make any weird leaps of logic for the "scum vivax launches a bad attack against incompetent Oats that gets himself lynched" theory. I DO have to make some weird assumptions for the "scum vivax launches a bad attack against his own incompetent Oats scumbuddy that gets himself lynched" theory.

I'm gonna get an associative tell + straight-up scumminess case on someone, probably not Oats, going soon. I'm gonna reread people's mentions of vivax and reread the voteswap shennannies at day end.
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May 17 2013 05:34 GMT
#609
your wit is biting and acerbic as ever, oatsmaster
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May 17 2013 14:42 GMT
#619
On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:
I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind?


Regarding the first part, I don't think that's what people are saying he reason he's scum is. From what I gather, they speculate he is scum because hosts didn't let him get away with using cardinal directions-- he didn't move or used an angel moving mechanic, then screwed up when trying to claim movement using the town mechanic because he didn't understand it.
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May 17 2013 14:42 GMT
#620
On May 17 2013 23:37 Zephirdd wrote:
also everyone consider this: If Oats is town, who is scum?


this is a terrible argument
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May 17 2013 22:17 GMT
#646
i'm glad we've turned a full circle here. Really though just purely from associative reasons a scum oats requires a lot of leaps of logic
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May 17 2013 22:17 GMT
#647
Ok i need to do something about sharrant and forrealz reread day 1
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May 18 2013 00:14 GMT
#650
sorry, balls air etc
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May 18 2013 10:41 GMT
#666
So we had a big switch at the end, but before then we had a few votes sitting still on deconduo. With 10 players on Vivax and only Sharrant voting on deconduo, we can be sure that scum made a decision to bus Vivax. About an hour out, the votecount was 3 on Vivax and 4 on deconduo. Scum was probably not expecting a Vivax lynch. I'm willing to bet we'll find one scum between deconduo, sentinel, sharrant, zeph, (all the people voting non-vivax). In the end, they all moved to vivax, with fuba and fferyllt moving to deconduo briefly before moving back.

Fferyllt's vote on Vivax I think is legit. He was trying to get ANY lynch for the day, deconduo or vivax, and vivax was on his radar earlier. mfkuba though I don't like, but I think he's legit for mainly for this post (link) in which he begins the post talking about lynching vivax, then notes that there's a deconduo mass-swap going on and swaps to deconduo to avoid no-lynching. When he sees we're swapping back to vivax, he goes back to avoid a no-lynch. I think the fact that he was planning to write a case against vivax then got caught up in the voteswapping is a sign of a town motive. F

I'm left with dec, sent, sharr, zeph who all moved onto vivax between 1:20 out and the lynch deadline. Zeph I'm setting aside as town due to his townlike setup speculation and his aggression towards oats regarding some kinda weird movemeng mechanic speculation. He's clearly trying hard. If he's scum he gets to live another day. I cant see it tbh. sharrant's interactions with marv convinced marv, and for now that's good enough for me. It's also worth noting that despite being one of the guys pushin this (imo) wrongheaded oats lynch, he's listening to and talking to oats and trying to glean info. sentinel didn't need to come back to the thread, ask to be sold, and be sold. that being said he's said a lot of stuff that's struck me his game as weird. maybe but not a top priority.

I rule out the oats/vivax bus theory, I just don't see vivax going for that.

I could see a long bus coming from deconduo (dont' think of him as town just because he was the other wagon) and also from ghost, whose case imo is weak/bad

I really find a lot of weird interactions between ghost, deconduo, and vivax during day 1. What's with deconduo (who has posted very little) dropping this zero-followup case on ghost? When he was called out for it he eventually did some weak followup, but his entire action today has been pushing an oats slip theory despite thinking he's caught and oats-ghost scumteam. Where's the additional information? Where's the case? He just dropped his vote in here and bailed. I think ghost's interactions with vivax and decon during day 1 are weird but maybe I can just chalk that up to ghost being weird. he calls out vivax with his first real post (link) and is basically on vivax (sort of) for the rest of the game. now colour me crazy but I don't see him doing that to a scumbuddy. Not if there was a hcance of it really picking up steam for a day 1 mislynch.

Really what it comes down to me is I think we were choosing between scum deconduo and scum vivax lynches yeterday. I think deconduo is scum. Giving out a townread on zeph was easy money for him, and the fact that he makes no mention of oats, doesn't write a case, and just claims the guy slipped hard and votes him and runs, makes deconduo scum in my book.

I don't see the oats bus. I don't see scum sharrant interacting with marv so openly. I don't see either of these wagons. The real wagon that needs to be pushed today is deconduo.

On May 18 2013 09:40 deconduo wrote:
I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth.


The fact of the matter is, he's lynching a someone for whom, as far as he knows, is town player for sending in a weird night action. You can't have this as your justification for lynching oats.
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May 18 2013 10:41 GMT
#667
##vote deconduo
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I'm also going to be completely clear here: lynching oats because he sent in night actions phrased in absolute rather than relative directions is shit play and I WILL NOT HAVE IT. Fuck, what if you're the fuckign co-host of this game and you recieve some guy who says "I want to move 2 squares north then 2 squares east while facing north" are you really going to PM the guy back saying "hey man I want you to rephrase that"? Well, maybe, but let me put it this way:

are you willing to stake AN ENTIRE LYNCH on this speculation, OVER your read?

DECONDUO: you admit you think oats d1 play, and I quote, "wasn't particularly scummy" but you still want to lynch him. This is not acceptable, and coupled with your scummy play indicates you are scum.

GHOST: you intially had some concerns about Oats D1, but you admit that such concerns are assuaged by my meta read of Oats. Do you think I'm wrong, or is your vote on him just because of the wording of his movement, as you imply here? (link)

FUBA: you interacted with oats several times d1, and you even questioned whether it was wise of him to vote vivax. Is your voting him now based entirely on his wording of his movement, as you imply here? (link)

SENT: you say (link) that if not for the movement thing, Oats would be "above the level of suspicion". Is it really just the movement claim that changes you from utterly unwilling to lynch Oats to voting him?
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#669
Also, remember that if you are postulating that Oats "scumslipped" that he told the hosts to move to a location, you're making a VERY long proposition. You're saying

A) the way mafia angels move is by telling the hosts a relative movement using absolute direction (ie move north 3, east 2), despite the fact that the hosts have explicitly asked other members of the game (town) to move using relative direction
B) the hosts have chosen to get some of their movement directions in absolutes (from scum), and some of them in relative direction (from town)
C) scum ALSO send in the movements for dummies using absolute direction, rather than relative direction (since scum Oats would have to not know about relative direction to "slip" this. remember, he's pretending to be a dummy)
D) also, that C) is true despite the fact that some of the "dummies" are town players moving using relative motion

and finally, E) that the reason crossfire is receiving some of his orders with absolute and some with relative motion, for both kinds of pieces, and combining these different kinds of motion is that, AND I QUOTE,
On May 15 2013 12:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
because this will prevent confusion when I have to play chess at the deadline
because it's so much simpler for him to run two parallel systems of movement for some reason


THAT IS WHAT YOU FUCKING MORONS ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW

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Just... look, I'm sorry, I need to go to bed, this is it for tonight, but i'll lay it out more simply, okay?

imagine oats is town and he's telling the truth. He PMed the hosts and was like "I move up 3 spaces and left 2 while looking up" or something. for this to be true, all this requires is oats glossed over a post or two in the thread and the host saying "ok, I understand what he sent me, no need to send him a snarky PM requiring him to re-send in his movement". This is pretty easy to imagine. I bet this is what happened.

now imagine oats is scum and this is a legit slip. he pmed the hosts saying "move my dummy up 3 spaces and left 2" because this is how scum move their dummies. for this to be true, hosts have to be running two different ways of keeping track of movement, which seems needlessly complicated, and use both of those for moving dummies around. and then there's the same assumption that oats glossed over soem of the thread, but this time as scum instead of town.

since both scenarios require oats not paying attention to the post, the fact that he did in fact not realize how to move is not the part that's different between our two potential outcomes. Both outcomes assume oats glossed over this post.

You guys

ugh, you guys

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May 18 2013 17:46 GMT
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I'm assuming it's 2 hours, 30 minutes since that's where the deadline was last time. I get what you're saying regarding the possibility of scum oats, and I definitely see how it COULD be a slip. Of the people on oats at the time I made my post, you are unique fuba in that you didn't express a townread of any sort on him beforehand. I understand how your thought process went. If I had a scumread on a guy (or at least a non townread) something that could be percieved as a scumslip would definitely ring alarm bells for me. What I don't get is decon, ghost, and sent who all were like "yeah oats is probably / definitely / above the level of suspicion town" and see something that could be interpreted as a scumslip then get on his ass.

I'll admit there's a possibility Oats is scum, and I see how you thought. decon, ghost and sent I don't understand.

that being said, I believe decon's claim, at least for now. he'll probably be dead before he can get anything done.

There are two more players I want to lynch today, and they are Sharrant and Ghost.
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May 18 2013 17:49 GMT
#699
actually hm not so sure on sharrant, just ghost

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#700
On May 19 2013 02:47 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 02:22 fferyllt wrote:
I think I buy the role claim.


I think you need to post more.


yeah i've vaguely toyed with the idea of what would effectively be a lurker lynch on fferyllt. I gave him a pass because he seemed to be interacting with the thread but now he's doing things like this. I also give him some credit for being part of the last-minute voteswap both to decon and to vivax, when he could have easily stayed on decon.
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May 18 2013 18:01 GMT
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ah, yes, my bad.

Ok rethinking on oats, in light of decon being town and oats unvoting without bringing up any reads, I'm gonna say oats has done literally nothing useful today. I'm willing to lynch him for that.
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May 18 2013 18:23 GMT
#704
I'm here. I'm down for lynching oats based on him not contributing anything all game. I'm aware that just being an anti-setup speculator doesn't make him scum, but his lack of contribution outside of that (notably not doing anything all day today) indicate to me that he is scum.

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May 18 2013 18:24 GMT
#707
be useful isntead of being yourself
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#708
I'm serious, showing up once every 48 hours to sheep is not acceptable behavior.

actually, wow you've done less than oats today. you get no goodwill for your voteswaps D1. All you've done is post a couple one liners SINCE THE START OF THE GAME.



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May 18 2013 18:28 GMT
#710
oats, wait plz vote fferyllt
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May 18 2013 18:28 GMT
#711
Oatsmaster, this is important, fferyltt has NEVER TAKEN LEGIT STANCES. he's not playing the game. he's posting once every few days or whatever with oneliners. VOTE HIM
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May 18 2013 18:33 GMT
#715
I understand the desire to flip ghost, and I can also get behind the ghost wagon. I'd say there are three players who have been really not contributing, and in order of not-contributing-ness it's like fferyltt then oats+ghost. I thought fferyltt would shape up since she had some good interactions D1 but that is clearly not the case.
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May 18 2013 18:37 GMT
#717
Honestly your non-contribution imo is a big lead. I'm willing to eat my hat on that, etc etc. For what it's worth, if you are in fact a townie, you should share your thoughts with the thread before you flip. I drew a lot of my analysis from reading marv's filter etc knowing that he was town. I'd like you to leave behind, if not something comparably useful for us, something at least non-useless.

of course, if you're scum, feel free to ignore this and continue lurking!
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May 18 2013 18:38 GMT
#718
on a personal note, anyone reading the thread right now needs to vote fferyllt. if we no-lynch today i'm going to be umad beyond belief, and wil be lynching into those of you who decided to sit by idly and let a no-lynch happen. stop dragging down mah game
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#720
On May 19 2013 03:41 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 03:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly your non-contribution imo is a big lead. I'm willing to eat my hat on that, etc etc. For what it's worth, if you are in fact a townie, you should share your thoughts with the thread before you flip. I drew a lot of my analysis from reading marv's filter etc knowing that he was town. I'd like you to leave behind, if not something comparably useful for us, something at least non-useless.

of course, if you're scum, feel free to ignore this and continue lurking!

My thoughts are that I'm an easy lynch and analyzing my bandwagon may fruitful.

I still feel pretty confident of my town reads. And I still don't care much for Sentinal's WKing.


your townreads are zephirdd (obvious) and marv (dead). you have not updated this set of reads int he past 72 hours.

Don't tell me things I already know. SAY sOMETHING, ANYTHING
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#721
ugh, whatever, i'll be checking in via phone if we need to do shenannies. everyone vote fferyllt.
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#723
FUCKIN OATSMASTEr

did he not post in the voting thread? jesus christ working with you people (zephirdd excluded) is like herding freakin cats

yeah fferyllt is my top choice today
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#725
mkfuba here's waht i'll say and this may sway you

fferyllt hasn't posted anything all game, and will not do so for the rest of the game. We gotta deal with her now, or at LYLO. your call.
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#727
god I hope scum shoots me today and frees me from this agony
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#728
You have one scum read, it's "leaning scum", and it's on sentinel entirely because he defended you and nothing else in possibly the least interesting post of his filter
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#737
well at least oats and decon moving together should shine some light on that situation
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#745
if I die some last reads

oats scum regardless of ffyt flip

zeph still town


make people talk

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Getting on to my scumreads, I'm absolutely sure at least one mafia was in thread and commenting during the last hour before night end, since they moved their shot onto iamp after he claimed. The people who posted within an hour of night end are grush, wos, stutters, marv, iamp, rayn, gk, and myself. Marv touches on that idea here (link) about an hour after the deadline. I'm gonna remove marv, myself, rayn, and iamp from the list since 2 of those are flipped townies, marv is confirmed town, and I sure aint making a case on myself.

So, I'm looking at grush, wos, sutters, and gk.

I still don't think GK is a good lynch. I've said it once and I've said it again, GK questioning the VA lynch doesn't make him scum, and although his role-pm reading shenanigans are INDEED shenanigans, the guy always has slow starts. Not a good D2 lynch.

Okay, wow actually I take it back

So, my plan was to write this meta case on how GK was actually town, right? But then I went and spent some time remembering and reading notes on how GK plays, and basically it can be summed up like this:
On March 17 2013 11:27 Wade Fell wrote:
DYH you say you agree that GK should probably be lynched today. Examining his play in NMMXXIV as town (link) I see a player who posts slowly and doesn't contribute much in the first half of D1, and only really starts writing cases (mostly unfocused and studded with FOSes at other players) as the game progresses. It's only in the later days that he picks up steam and starts hammering on players. In LVII as scum (link), GK comes out punching, immediately posting cases and voting/Fosing, and instead of pushing multiple reads, he changes who he focuses on as soon as his case fails to gain traction (instead of pressing on, trying to really get his target lynched). He also doesn't wait to formulate reads, he _immediately_ starts flopping mud at people.

The GK in this game is the town GK that I've coached and observed extensively. He is cautious, posts rarely, and builds up momentum to be a formidable scumhunter. This is not the kinda uncaring, willing-to-make-any--case scum GK that I've seen. He is not a good D1 lynch. He is not a good vigi shot. He is town.


Now, this was a case I wrote in The Game, where, yes, I was scum, but everything written here is true. Town GK is cautious at first, gathering information and momentum, then builds a case and follows it up. Scum GK throws his vote around aggressively and doesn't have followup, going onto whatever wagon happens to become popular. I was planning to open GK's filter and show how he's town, but he is not playing to his town meta, he is playing to his scum meta. Reading GK's filter, his play this game 100% is exactly as he plays as scum. He IMMEDIATELY comes out with a vote on stutters (link), then his next post (after chiding VA) swaps to Grush (link), then after defending himself from an early case he swaps to WoS (link) and he continues the madness all throughout the rest of D1, voteswapping and trying to stay on the popular wagon.

This is literally scum GK. I'll eat my damn hat if it ain't. He's playing to his scum meta, he's also playing objectivity scummy and shitty (where's the followups to his push? what's with that list post? Why no careful analysis buildup?), and he was around when iamp claimed mason.

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May 21 2013 21:39 GMT
#881
erm, oops, wrong thread. should I edit it out or what
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