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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 17:51 GMT
#261
Apparently I need to read better / slower. lol. I'm glad my memory was somewhat vindicated though :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 17:52 GMT
#262
Blazing, my memory was of him being anti-setup talk, I just browsed through PYP too fast. He seems more strident in shutting it down this game than that game, but I'm not sure it means that much.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 15 2013 17:52 GMT
#263
Yeah I guess this is just how the man operates. Might not be a towntell but it's not a scumtell. Given that, I am no longer interested in lynching Oats during this day.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 15 2013 18:00 GMT
#264
fferyllt looks like he'll open up with more conversation and has played mafia before. I give him a pass for being new to TL Mafia. Mkfuba is straight up inactive, I would not lynch him today. We can talk it out with his replacement tomorrow rather than policying him.

I consider ghost like sort of lynchworthy but his interaction with oats seems genuine to me. I don't think his first post is worth crap though. I'm down for vivax lynch. I'll reread after chinese micro and be more specific and give a better read
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 15 2013 18:40 GMT
#265
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
May 15 2013 20:17 GMT
#266
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax


This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 15 2013 20:19 GMT
#267
On May 15 2013 23:58 Zephirdd wrote:
What do you think of sentinel and fferyllt?


I don't know why ffer took so much offence to Sentinel defending him. While everyone can speak for themselves, there's no reason not to chime in with your opinion on matters. Apart from that, his last post seems reasonable enough, though calling these two posts 'reads' is stretching somewhat

On May 15 2013 13:06 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 12:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Zephirdd is almost certainly town

agree.


On May 16 2013 01:07 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 23:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 15 2013 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
On May 15 2013 23:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Being relatively new (to TL) and overeager. I don't know about his mafiascum history so I can't say how many games he's played or whether the TL and MS atmospheres are different enough to alter one's gameplay.


I don't believe anyone was accusing him of being over-eager? Where do you think he was being over-eager?

What is this bizarre semi-defence? :/


On May 15 2013 09:41 fferyllt wrote:
hi guys. Nice to meet you.

I think I'm going to need to reread the discussion so far a couple of times for it to all sink in. each of us figuring out where we are on the board looks like a priority, whether it makes sense to share that info or not. My gut says it does make sense to share. Whether or how much we should spread out from there...I dunno.


Not accusing him, his fluff came to me as more eagerness to do something productive than anything else

Being whiteknighted like this gives me a bad case of hives.



Sentinel needs to be more careful with his reading and posting. The above vote clearly shows he missed Vivax's last post, which asked him a few questions. He also misquoted me instead of Blazing. He said he was posting from his phone, but either way he should double check things before hitting the post button, as he's not contributing properly otherwise.

On May 16 2013 02:07 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 02:02 phagga wrote:

Do the 12 letters represent 9 townies and 3 puppets or 9 townies and 3 weeping angels?

*shrugs*


Ugh. In this case, scrap the gathering together plan for now.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 15 2013 20:20 GMT
#268
sentinel's post is legit. Claiming max MS gives scum the information we don't have. This is the passage:
Claim choices and speed shortly before the phase ends.

People might end up doing the same movements though, but if everyone moves at maximum speed we will be able to sort it out and narrow down the options.


Why are we required to move at max MS? by claiming direction+speed+facing_direction, we already narrow down tons of possibilities.

also this
I'm not sure if it's a good idea to look for the sides, it might make you less vulnerable, but also more predictable for the angels.

It's a 25x25 board. It's not predictable when we are completely protected from one entire side of the board.

Vivax, bring in your scum reads. Reasoning etc, be active.

##Vote Vivax
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
May 15 2013 20:22 GMT
#269
On May 16 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
dude.
Read the setup talk. There is nothing of value that we can do day 1 when we dont even know which piece we are.

Marv, I wanted you to explain about
Show nested quote +

Not really my MO to lynch the dude who's thought about the game the most and made the most effort

Please? for me? Sweet babe


Deconduo and Sentinel.
Huh.

Deconduo. All fucking setup talk, no scumhunting. This isnt unique btw, there are a few people like him. They cant all be scum though, as much as I would want it. Wait and see, WAIT AND SEE. Deconduo, top 2 scumspects. GOOOO.

Sentinel, I liked his analysis on fferyllt. nothing more though, as of now, he is in my DO NOT LYNCH pile.



Is this serious? He literally said that FF looks productive for posting fluff.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 15 2013 20:23 GMT
#270
On May 16 2013 05:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax


This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.


>ctrl+f speed on crossfire's and greymist's filter
> one match, saying
1. Which direction they would like to move (each player has a movement speed, you will be told this in your Role PM)



Okay
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 20:26 GMT
#271
On May 16 2013 05:23 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 05:17 Vivax wrote:
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax


This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.


>ctrl+f speed on crossfire's and greymist's filter
> one match, saying
Show nested quote +
1. Which direction they would like to move (each player has a movement speed, you will be told this in your Role PM)



Okay


ctrl-f crossfire's filter for "possible" (er, or possibly)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 15 2013 20:27 GMT
#272
On May 15 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
You also have to factor in that multiple players could have the same MS.
In the OP there's no mentioning of the angel's knowledge about other player's movement speed, cause if they don't know it, it might not be the smartest idea to claim it.

Do Angels know the players' movement speeds?

On May 15 2013 06:55 GreYMisT wrote:
Its Possible

Okay!
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 20:28 GMT
#273
ok, it was GM. damn
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 15 2013 20:29 GMT
#274
On May 16 2013 05:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 05:23 Zephirdd wrote:
On May 16 2013 05:17 Vivax wrote:
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax


This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.


>ctrl+f speed on crossfire's and greymist's filter
> one match, saying
1. Which direction they would like to move (each player has a movement speed, you will be told this in your Role PM)



Okay


ctrl-f crossfire's filter for "possible" (er, or possibly)

Oh.
Yes.
On May 15 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
You also have to factor in that multiple players could have the same MS.
In the OP there's no mentioning of the angel's knowledge about other player's movement speed, cause if they don't know it, it might not be the smartest idea to claim it.

Do Angels know the players' movement speeds?

On May 15 2013 06:55 GreYMisT wrote:
Its Possible


okay.jpg

##unvote
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
May 15 2013 20:32 GMT
#275
I don't see what you want to say with that post. We all have movement speeds, but do the angels know it?
Sentinel looks sure that they don't know it.

It's a matter of picking more information for us or less information for the angels (in the case that they DON'T know it), which isn't even sure.

Let's say 4 of us have MS 3, then 4 have 4, last 4 have 5.

If we purposefully slow down our movement it will be harder to discern who is who, at best if 3 of the MS 5 players move slower, then we could be sure about who is the remaining MS 5 player.

It's essentially a gamble on the angels having that information or not having it, let's talk a little about it.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 15 2013 20:33 GMT
#276
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax

This post is bad. If you would have taken a minute to go through Vivax' filter (which was like 6 posts at that point) you would have seen that your whole second paragraph is wrong.

So, with this out of the way, do you still think Vivax is scum? Is there anyone else your suspicious of?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
May 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#277
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 16 2013 05:23 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 05:17 Vivax wrote:
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax


This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.


>ctrl+f speed on crossfire's and greymist's filter
> one match, saying
Show nested quote +
1. Which direction they would like to move (each player has a movement speed, you will be told this in your Role PM)



Okay


I didn't understand what you meant with this one
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#278
let's talk a little about it.

Ok. We have facing direction and movement direction to discern each other. Done talking.

Can you form a case on Sentinel bigger than the said "scumslip"? I had forgotten about the question of the MS you made, and I don't think it's impossible that the same happened there.
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Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
May 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#279
There's a voting thread...
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 15 2013 20:36 GMT
#280
Ghost has 2 posts so far in the game:

On May 15 2013 11:09 ghost_403 wrote:
Everyone, glhf.

Two quick thoughts. First of all, this is a Greymist game. Don't rely on mechanics or power roles or anything else. At the end of the day, the only way to make sure that the town wins the game is to really rely on scum hunting. Focus on finding scum, don't get too caught up in the mechanics.

Secondly, I think I agree with Phagga, that we need some sort of plan to start working together to identify all of the pieces on the board. His plan of claiming before the lynch is pretty solid and comes at no loss to us. Sure, the mafia are going to mess with our plans, but there's only so much that they can do. I would like to start working together on that so that we fix the information imbalance; *hushed voice* they already know where we are.

Lastly (totally lied about the two quick thoughts), I'm lynching Marv Day 3 if he's not dead at that point. @marv <3

And numbah four (I worship chaos), I have a MS of 4.


First of all he says not to get worked up about the mechanics, then he spend the rest of the post talking about the mechanics.

Then he says that we need a plan, but doesn't offer any suggestions about that plan, apart from liking Phagga's idea.

Thirdly about lynching marv is just terrible in general.

Finally, claiming his movespeed is also a massively WTF thing to do.

On May 15 2013 11:19 ghost_403 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Can someone explain to me how finding the angels will help us win the game?


We're assuming that the angels have to be physically close to the other players in order to use their night actions. Someone speculated earlier that town PRs would have similar mechanics. Not dying at night >> dying at night.

But, you're right. Focus on finding scum. You have any thoughts on the other players so far?


Again he speculates on mechanics, and follows up by saying we should emphasize scumhunting. Yet he offers no opinions himself.

I know 2 posts isn't a lot to go on, but he's definitely the scummiest person to me so far.

##Vote ghost_403
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