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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 20:41 GMT
#281
ok deconduo, I can go with the don't talk about mechanics -> talk about mechanics and focus on scumhunting -> not scumhunting part of your case. I'd noticed it in his first post but the 2nd post tops it off. The bits about lynching me and claiming MS are just dumb, which isn't necessarily scummy, but it doesn't matter maybe.

##Vote: ghost_403
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 20:45 GMT
#282
Apart from ghost & fuba posting, I'm pretty interested in how this Vivax/Sentinel thing is gonna turn out.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 15 2013 20:46 GMT
#283
I can see where ghost comes from the whole "lynch marv past day 3" just because marv is usually a target for normal KP more than any other player.

I am willing to believe ghost just didnt have the chance to scumhunt. Both of his posts were close together and at a time where nobody was saying anything but setup stuff. It is as weird as fferlerl;yret posts; So I want to see what he has to say tonight.

I also want to stop jumping happily into voting people like I did to vivax. lol.
i also totally forgot about the vote thread
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 20:47 GMT
#284
Yes, but don't preach if you ain't gonna walk the walk. Especially if you gonna talk about mechanics after saying we should be scumhunting and not talking about mechanics.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 15 2013 20:47 GMT
#285
On May 16 2013 05:46 Zephirdd wrote:
I can see where ghost comes from the whole "lynch marv past day 3" just because marv is usually a target for normal KP more than any other player.

I am willing to believe ghost just didnt have the chance to scumhunt. Both of his posts were close together and at a time where nobody was saying anything but setup stuff. It is as weird as fferlerl;yret posts; So I want to see what he has to say tonight.

I also want to stop jumping happily into voting people like I did to vivax. lol.
i also totally forgot about the vote thread

Why are you posting this exactly? Why are you softdefending ghost?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22082 Posts
May 15 2013 20:48 GMT
#286
On May 16 2013 05:34 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
let's talk a little about it.

Ok. We have facing direction and movement direction to discern each other. Done talking.

Can you form a case on Sentinel bigger than the said "scumslip"? I had forgotten about the question of the MS you made, and I don't think it's impossible that the same happened there.


It's literally on the first page since the game started.
Maybe he has a similarly bad memory as yours, but he didn't even try to persuade me that my argumentation was bad, he rather preferred to call me scum immediately for something that is an idea worth considering.

Which is something you did as well, but unlike Sentinel, you didn't vote me and fuck off, you kept poking. Hopping onto a quick reason, call someone scum and disappear without questioning your scumread is a solid tell for Sentinel being scum, added to his weird defense of FF.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 20:49 GMT
#287
Are you comfortable enough with this read to put your vote where your mouth is, Vivax?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
May 15 2013 20:51 GMT
#288
Day 1 Lynch

Oatsmaster (0): Blazinghand
ghost_403 (2): deconduo, marvellosity

The lynch will happen in at 20:00 GMT (+00:00). With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake.

Remember that votes in the voting thread are the only ones that count.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 15 2013 20:53 GMT
#289
On May 16 2013 05:47 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 05:46 Zephirdd wrote:
I can see where ghost comes from the whole "lynch marv past day 3" just because marv is usually a target for normal KP more than any other player.

I am willing to believe ghost just didnt have the chance to scumhunt. Both of his posts were close together and at a time where nobody was saying anything but setup stuff. It is as weird as fferlerl;yret posts; So I want to see what he has to say tonight.

I also want to stop jumping happily into voting people like I did to vivax. lol.
i also totally forgot about the vote thread

Why are you posting this exactly? Why are you softdefending ghost?


because that's similar to other ghost posts from games months ago. I don't know if he changed, but I do remember that he is limited in time for posting.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 15 2013 20:54 GMT
#290
He is limited in time, I believe that he said that in the pre-game in fact? It's not really the point, though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 15 2013 20:56 GMT
#291
On May 16 2013 05:53 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 05:47 phagga wrote:
On May 16 2013 05:46 Zephirdd wrote:
I can see where ghost comes from the whole "lynch marv past day 3" just because marv is usually a target for normal KP more than any other player.

I am willing to believe ghost just didnt have the chance to scumhunt. Both of his posts were close together and at a time where nobody was saying anything but setup stuff. It is as weird as fferlerl;yret posts; So I want to see what he has to say tonight.

I also want to stop jumping happily into voting people like I did to vivax. lol.
i also totally forgot about the vote thread

Why are you posting this exactly? Why are you softdefending ghost?


because that's similar to other ghost posts from games months ago. I don't know if he changed, but I do remember that he is limited in time for posting.

fair enough. I have ghost in the back of my mind, but I'm more interested in Sentinel currently. I hope he returns to the thread soon and tells us a bit more about his scumreads.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22082 Posts
May 15 2013 21:28 GMT
#292
I would also lynch Oats. All he's done so far is troll, being disruptive and ask stupid questions. I've seen him do that as town last time but I don't care. This isn't a game with grushes and kushes and if he wants to be the one guy playing that role, then I'll gladly policy-kick him out of the game.

His defense of Sentinel doesn't make any sense.
He complains about setup talk when this is essentially a team board game.

No WIFOM mindfucks, lynch people playing for scum. Unless he starts contributing meaningfully, he's up for the gallows.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 15 2013 23:07 GMT
#293
I was inclined to lynch oats based on his general demeanor and unhelpfulness, but I'm inclined to listen to Blazinghand's interpretation of his play.

Also, lmao @ marv for voting me for the same reason he voted me last time we played. I flipped town.

I'm going to read the thread again and see if anything sticks out.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 15 2013 23:54 GMT
#294
*crickets in the thread*

And people wonder why I don't post.

A brief retort at Marv and Dec: Only an idiot would completely ignore the mechanics of a game. I chimed in my two cents, and then I was off to scum hunt. Unfortunately, it seems that no one is around whenever I'm here. Your reasons for voting me are terrible. Not a good sign, haven't decided what to make of that.

I'm not impressed by Dec's play, but I might just be mad at him for voting me. I really don't like Oats play this game: plans are good, plans are bad, I'm on board, I feel like he's all over the place. I can't be arsed to look into his meta, otherwise I would lynch him for begin all over the place and generally unhelpful. BH's vouching for his meta is stopping me from voting him at the moment. I trust his read, haven't thought too much about his alignment.

I'm not happy with Vivax's play, but I'm never happy with Vivax's play. I really don't like this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 16 2013 05:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax


This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.


It seems passionate and poorly thought out. He's not trying to figure out Sentinel's alignment, or really thinking about what's going on; he's trying to push him onto the defensive and start an easy lynch. It kind of looks like he immediately dropped it, but it is kind of hard to tell at this point in the game.

Until someone convinces me that leaving Vivax in game is a good idea,

##vote vivax
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2013 00:07 GMT
#295
On May 16 2013 08:54 ghost_403 wrote:
*crickets in the thread*

And people wonder why I don't post.

A brief retort at Marv and Dec: Only an idiot would completely ignore the mechanics of a game. I chimed in my two cents, and then I was off to scum hunt. Unfortunately, it seems that no one is around whenever I'm here. Your reasons for voting me are terrible. Not a good sign, haven't decided what to make of that.

I'm not impressed by Dec's play, but I might just be mad at him for voting me. I really don't like Oats play this game: plans are good, plans are bad, I'm on board, I feel like he's all over the place. I can't be arsed to look into his meta, otherwise I would lynch him for begin all over the place and generally unhelpful. BH's vouching for his meta is stopping me from voting him at the moment. I trust his read, haven't thought too much about his alignment.

I'm not happy with Vivax's play, but I'm never happy with Vivax's play. I really don't like this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 16 2013 05:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax


This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.


It seems passionate and poorly thought out. He's not trying to figure out Sentinel's alignment, or really thinking about what's going on; he's trying to push him onto the defensive and start an easy lynch. It kind of looks like he immediately dropped it, but it is kind of hard to tell at this point in the game.

Until someone convinces me that leaving Vivax in game is a good idea,

##vote vivax


Just popping in before bed. No, the reasons for voting you, that I agreed with certainly, are not terrible at all, they're pretty solid. Trying to dismiss them as terrible when they simply aren't smells bad.

In addition, you don't need other people present in the thread to give your thoughts and look for mafia, that's a pretty shoddy excuse for only having 2 posts up to that point as well.

I also find it interesting how you categorise it as BH's vouching for Oats' meta, when BH was voting for Oats before I pushed him off it? That's a very interesting interpretation that you repeated twice.

I'm not really happy with this post at all, but I don't know if it's because you're scum or because you're not at a level I'd hope from you. I'd say expect, but ya know, red-check lylo thing ;p

I'm pretty keen on hearing your thoughts on Sentinel, he's a pretty central figure in this game with fairly obvious and notable things that he's done, and yet you've brushed him over.

Indulge me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2013 00:09 GMT
#296
Like, I really REALLY don't like the part where you said "i would've scumhunted if other people were in the thread when i was" when you haven't been in the thread at all and it doesn't stop you scumhunting. That's just nasty.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 16 2013 00:17 GMT
#297
On May 16 2013 09:07 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not really happy with this post at all, but I don't know if it's because you're scum or because you're not at a level I'd hope from you. I'd say expect, but ya know, red-check lylo thing ;p


I think I'm going to burn this account and start a new one as ghost_404 just so everyone will stop bringing that up.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 16 2013 00:23 GMT
#298
Sentinel's play has been bad this game as well, but IIRC, I always think that. I think had problems reading him in previous games, and I think that's why I ignored him here. Based on their interactions, I doubt that they're both scum. Which one of them do you think is more likely to flip scum? And what are your thoughts on Vivax? He's almost entirely missing from your filter.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 16 2013 01:46 GMT
#299
On May 16 2013 05:17 Vivax wrote:
This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.


It's possible. Which means maybe yes, maybe no. If yes, then angels gain nothing and town gains something. If no, then the angels and town both gain something, but angels gain more because they can use the info to win whereas town only needs to coordinate. However, in the second scenario, townies are able to lie/stay silent to protect themselves. If my movement speed was 5, for instance, I could say I had 2-3 movespeed to attract nearby angels. I see something I'm not supposed to, I can use all 5 the next night and dart around like the wind. Again, assuming the angels know nothing.

Really it's all chance. And I don't think it's worth a night experimenting with it. So I'm going to back away from this and agree to disagree. At the very least we will voice our movements before the deadline for clarity's sake. Anything else, like you said, is open to discussion.

##unvote

Time for some thoughts on Ghost's recent post.

I chimed in my two cents, and then I was off to scum hunt. Unfortunately, it seems that no one is around whenever I'm here.


I find a bunch of problems with this alone. Being alone while scumhunting makes my mafiadick hard. It means I can focus on what's already present in the thread with a clear mind, without having to worry about changing conditions. A lot of my reasoning goes out the window when the thread updates. I don't know why you'd have a problem with it and resort to lurking.

I'm not happy with Vivax's play, but I'm never happy with Vivax's play.

Sentinel's play has been bad this game as well, but IIRC, I always think that.


Explain me why you vote for Vivax and not myself. That's a shitty vote to throw around.

Game plan for myself is to organize my thoughts because that's what I'm lacking right now. I'm going to draft up another spreadsheet to consolidate my reads tomorrow and then start making calls from that.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 03:22 GMT
#300
On May 16 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote:
I would also lynch Oats. All he's done so far is troll, being disruptive and ask stupid questions. I've seen him do that as town last time but I don't care. This isn't a game with grushes and kushes and if he wants to be the one guy playing that role, then I'll gladly policy-kick him out of the game.

His defense of Sentinel doesn't make any sense.
He complains about setup talk when this is essentially a team board game.

No WIFOM mindfucks, lynch people playing for scum. Unless he starts contributing meaningfully, he's up for the gallows.

Read my fucking posts dude.
No disruption, no stupid questions. Can you say that I have not helped you obtain a read on anyone due to my interactions with them? If I did that, Im not useless.

On May 16 2013 08:07 ghost_403 wrote:
I was inclined to lynch oats based on his general demeanor and unhelpfulness, but I'm inclined to listen to Blazinghand's interpretation of his play.

Also, lmao @ marv for voting me for the same reason he voted me last time we played. I flipped town.

I'm going to read the thread again and see if anything sticks out.

What? why is your read so wishywashy? What about my general demeanor and unhelpfulness is scummy? Explain please.

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