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And at this point yes, best lynch. | ||
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On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote: And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote: Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote: you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:53 DarthPunk wrote: Ah LOL? I just claimed miller and am copping a ton of heat for it obviously. I don't want to get vigged so I am trying to be very clear about why i did what i did. I am trying to establish my innocence. Also half the thread haven't posted yet and you have absolutely fuck all in your filter so why don't you worry about yourself and i'll worry about myself ok? Also telling someone who is already active and posting to start scum hunting doesn't count as scum hunting either  Well everyone who has posted so far besides you are probably town. I'm off to bed, cya tomorrow. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 15:56 Vivax wrote: It's not a matter of scumslip, it's a matter of tone. Rayn is subtly being aggressive towards me in that post when all he would have to say is that he thinks DP could have fakeclaimed with his scum rolename. The "where are you going with your questioning" is one of the things that hit me about him, he is supposed to argue for DP being scum in his position, so he shouldn't have reason to be so neurotic about someone asking him out about it. I read it as scum not feeling comfortable being asked about that, so he quickly stepped on the defensive thinking that I was attacking him with that question. On May 13 2013 16:03 Vivax wrote: It's the difference in mindsets, if he was town with DP as scumread, and someone asked him to give an opinion about DP, his motivation would be to persuade the questioner about his own opinion. If he was scum, his motivation would be to have to explain as little as possible, to avoid talking much about the issue. In that mindset, questions directed towards him doing that would be viewed by him as threat, and as an attack, and that's the way he replied to that question: Acting as if I was doing something suspicious with my questioning. That's cause he felt threatened by it. These posts of yours. You asked me if i thought DP lied about his role name. I found the question stupid, as if he was mafia he could have given his role name and fake it to be a self aware miller's role name. Your follow up on this matter is weird. First you agree with me and later on call me scummy because you asked me a stupid question. I thought DP could be scum, how the hell i am supposed to know if you are/aren't his scumbuddy? When you asked me if i thought DP faked his role name, why should i not confront you about a question i find to be scummy (and i still do, at least now when you are suddenly trying to turn it against me)? Oats is even worse. Oats please re-read what i answered Vivax, because i don't even undesrtand what you are trying to say. You are just twisting my words. I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch. Shirokami: What's your read on ObviousOne and Oats? OO: Please elaborate on how "town Rayn was much more interrogative and this Rayn is more accusatory"? Oats: Read my filter again and tell me if you stand by this: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no clue what it means  You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right? And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH. So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that. TLDR: Rayn scumslipped. Especially the part "That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role.". Are you really this stupid? And for the record i'm working 12hours/day 7 days a week atm, so if i don't find a good lynch due to my work schedule i will sheep Prome, that dude is totally town. | ||
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For the record i think WoS is town, won't lynch him today unless he does something really scummy. | ||
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I think Oats is far more careful with his posts than he usually is (as town). I don't like that atm. Failing to read or misreading something can happen as scum aswell, i would not put too much (town)value on that. Usually Oats does his own stuff (right or wrong) and stands by his decision until proven wrong, now his read on me is 1) failing to read, and 2) "sheeping" you (as you left the question in the air and Oats picked it up). | ||
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shiro: Why are you so careful and "blendy" with your posts? This does not match your town or scum meta at all. You need to start having opinions, otherwise i'm gonna lynch you. | ||
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On May 14 2013 04:47 chaoser wrote: 1) What chance did he have of scumhunting after his miller claim when pretty much everyone was on him? 2) Do you not consider his questioning of obviousone's posts and pressure on him scum hunting? 3) What was the purpose of your posts to DP? what was your goal with those two posts and then leaving? pressure? 1) That was the whole point. As he claimed miller he should have not defended himself and his claim after that. Of course people are going to jump on a scummy claim like that. The correct way to deal with everyone being on him would have been to say "you think this is scummy, i don't, deal with it. Now drop the issue and go find scum, if you think i'm scum, vote for me D1 and we work from there". That's why i told him to go do something useful. 2) No i didn't at that time. However as i said i now agree with Prome on OO and his contributions with DP (and the night kills). 3) Yes, pressure and creating topics to discuss (this includes me wanting people to discuss me). That's also why i said to DP "everyone besides you is probably town besides you". I'm kinda surprised noone else than shirokami brought that up. I also thought at that point everyone else did look town, as not many people had posted real content. If you look at my past games i always want to create discussion at the start of the game. You can also find out what i do think about miller claims in a setup where the number of millers is not known. Shiro: I hope this answers your question aswell. chaoser: Do you think OO is scummy? If no, why, and why do you think DP was killed? | ||
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On May 14 2013 04:55 Vivax wrote: .... I don't mind concluding D1 with a policy lynch either, looking along the ranks of Sinani/BM/prplhz , scum will never kill them anyway. Why not Kush? | ||
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You want to lynch WoS for him straight up agreeing with you that scum killed DP, but not Vayne even when he did take a full 180 on flip analysis when you told him scum might have more than 1 KP? | ||
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On May 14 2013 05:59 Vivax wrote: You are free to not vote for him if you don't think he's scum, but I feel quite confident about the choice and given the policy component I wouldn't feel too bad if I was wrong. Looks like win-win to me. I don't think the policy component makes prpl more scum/town and that's a shitty to add that as a reason. If you want to policy lynch him for being a lurker, fine. But i smell something fishy here.. Why are you paining this as a "possible policy lynch if you are wrong"? | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:03 Blazinghand wrote: Almost! I want to lynch WoS for HOW he agreed with me that scum killed DP, and I want to not lynch vayne because HOW he did his 180 on flip analysis. Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough in my case: Whether someone buddies me, or whether someone disagrees with me, or whether someone derps or is wrong or is right, these are not how you catch scum. Scum can fake agreeing or disagreeing or being good or being bad as much as they want. A scum player could just bus all his buddies and pretend to be a master scumhunter, if all you look at is who he pushes and who he defends. I'm not saying this isn't useful information (since scum obviously don't want to bus) but this is only part of the picture. When you hunt scum, you need to pay attention to HOW people do things, and what they are thinking (or not thinking) when they do. WoS's post, imo, could not have come from a town mindset. I don't think he'd have written what he did the way he did if he really was town and was wondering why we were in agreement. Vayne, on the other hand, really just seems to be that wrongheaded, and although I don't think of him as captain mctown, i can see how from a town PoV Vayne has written what he has. This is how you hunt scum. I understand what you are saying. My point is that i myself do not understand why Vayne just agreed with you on the 2 KP thing. He did not explain it when i asked him about it. That's why i don't see the difference between WoS and Vayne, and i don't understand how you do see it. Gonna reread WoS now. | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:11 Vivax wrote: Now I don't understand where you are going with your questions, actually. You say it's fine if I want to lynch a lurker, when I wrote a case against prplhz, and in the next sentence you say it's not ok if it's a policy lynch where I could be wrong. Rayn rayn To me it seems like you are saying; "I have my reasons to lynch prpl, they are flimsy, but when he flips town i can tell people i policy lynched him for lurking". WoS: What do you think of OO? What makes Oats or BH a better lynch than him? | ||
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I'm not willing to lynch the following people: Prome, chaoser, Vivax, WoS, hiro, i would maybe even put sloosh, shirokami and prplhz into that list. I just realized sloosh had a case on me, i will be answering it later today too. ##Vote: ObviousOne | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote: How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all. In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet 1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum. 2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean. 3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind. If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me. About why i am voting for OO: What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO: OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer: On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote: Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then. As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff. shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please. | ||
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What do you think of Oats' list? Anything you don't agree with in there? I can see some things that are plain out wrong just by reading the thread. | ||
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On May 15 2013 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, aside from it being slightly summarize-y, which is to be expected considering he was asked for thoughts on EVERY player, it at least gives reads of most of the players. Like if there were a lot more null reads and wifflewaffle then I'd be more concerned. Obviously there's something specific you don't like, was there something I should be looking at? To me it looks like a genuine attempt to put his thoughts in the thread, done by request. Especially his reasoning for his read on me, chaoser and prpl. | ||
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On May 15 2013 03:37 WaveofShadow wrote: @Rayn I like your play this game so much more than other games I've been in with you and it almost worries me. I don't think you could be anything but town atm though. What are your thoughts regarding VE and Oats' suspicion of him (dropped it once again after thinking he looked scummy without VE having posted anything in between). I like the case on Oats and since he still hasn't shown up to be useful like I want him to, I'm comfortable voting him. I'm less comfortable with the knowledge that there are scum on my wagon; the problem is I don't know which they are (not that anyone has listened to any push of mine thus far anyway). I'll hold off my change of vote for a little while though and give BH a sporting chance to try to cook up 5 more people (or however many it is with the Oats vote-stealing thing) since he doesn't seem to want to attempt anything other than be useless and tunnel me all day. If he can't get them soon I move my vote to OO and he'll have to find another person. CHALLENGE ON I don't like VE atm. Particularly because he called Oats' list "interesting". That says nothing and he has yet to answer my question about it. I totally misread VE last game at first, i need to interact more with him to form a read on him. That's what i'm doing atm. As i said earlier, i like Oats as lynch (although atm i prefer OO). His list contains some weird stuff that's plain out wrong or the conclusions are odd. Other than that his play does not seem like usual Oats town play. I don't think his 180 on VE is a scumtell though, he does that much as town. | ||
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You are really annoying and i understand WoS' getting mad at you. Please try to say something useful that does not include WoS ok? | ||
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So BH, why did you completely drop your suspicions on OO? | ||
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On May 15 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote: cause wos prio one IMO OO was small info hunch WoS high prio case What do you mean by small info hunch? If you are town and was hit on N0, why try to lead town into lynching OO if you are not even sure of your read on him? On May 15 2013 04:59 WaveofShadow wrote: How does he get a fresh start? When I flip town (whenever that may be) BH is pretty fucked for tunneling the everloving shit out of me. At least I'd like to think so but I'm sure he could find a way out of it somehow.. I AM curious though that upon BH's '10' on a 1-10 scale of me being scum that Vivax goes and shoots him a warning that '10 is pretty serious bro' but then goes ahead and sheeps without a second thought. I'm not sure I follow the mentality that you can sheep someone 100% without any doubt whatsoever while at the same time considering what it means if BH is wrong with his self-professed '10.' BEcause a lot of people are suspicious of you. If you get lynched and flip town that does not make BH any more scummy than any other people who voted for you (based on votes). He could argue "look, nearly everyone thought WoS was scummy, i pushed my scumread bla bla". How are you supposed to argue against that? That's why i want him to adress other people as well, and give his thoughts about them, not some dunks and one liners. | ||
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Oats needs to explain his weird difference on his reads on prpl/chaoser, and the explanation is better to be good. On top of that, his read on me: raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum. Bullshit, i make conclusions about my questions, if they are not in thread the second you want them to be there doesn't mean they do not exist. I have also never said Oats is my top scumread. VE failed to answer this: On May 15 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Especially his reasoning for his read on me, chaoser and prpl. He started the conversation by saying Oats' list is "interesting" (which says nothing), and when i asked him about it, he didn't seem to care to discuss it further (he answered BH about something later, but not me). Those are my top 3 for scum atm. | ||
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Vivax, WoS was mainly pushed by BH, other people pretty much sheeped him. I do not think BH is necessarily town, i think WoS is town, that's why it's possible that the lynch was scum driven imo. OO, i understand you better. I also think both of you/Oats are not likely scum, and atm Oats looks way worse. I think it's possible that the votestealer is town and that's why you were not hammered. I also think VE is scum. Kush looks really bad too. I'll be posting a full list of reads before the day starts. | ||
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shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? | ||
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Lynch Oats/VE/Kush tomorrow if nothing changes. For Oats, read my and his filter, you should see why. For VE, his vote was bullshit on a person that would never get lynched and the push was really weak. He also calls Oats' list "interesting" but does not contribute to it after, even when asked. Kush is really really bad, but not in a normal townie kush way. Anyone who has played a game with him should noticve this. shiro/Vivax are odd, keep an eye on them. I don't like Vivax sheeping BH and then saying "I pushed WoS lynch". Vivax also can't possibly have a town read on shiro based on his contributions because that dude is a sneaky bitch sometimes. I am the only one who can really read shiro based on his contributions so far, and i am starting to doubt my read on him. He would never try to lynch me if he was scum (as i would get him lynched before), and it seems like he is trying to cast suspicion on me as some strong players are suspicious of me without doing shit about it. When i ask for reasons he is just joking about it. Other than that shiro just plain out sheeps BH. There is no way he can have a town read on BH, or if he does, he needs to explain it. Also if in any case shiro flips mafia, look at his D1 contributions. He is hesitant to buss or even talk about his teammates unless asked, that would mean all his suspects from D1 are 100% town. That's all i got for you guys now. I'm really just too tired to make big posts now.. | ||
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scum were kinda obvious, but town decided they didn't want to win. ggyo all! ^^ | ||
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