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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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shirokami
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just my feel @vivax yeah, I'll try to. | ||
Vivax
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On May 14 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why did you not call out Kita for calling DP scum because of his claim, only me? It's not just finding the miller claim scummy, it was your casual and passive "scum or bad" entrance: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 18:30 Vivax wrote: What matters for Rayn is that he had a reason to look like he's contributing. He doesn't need a strong player to stay alive just cause he's pushing him. I didn't like his entrance in the first place. "DP stupid or scum" and fucks off, I think WoS picked up on that, wanting him to specify, upon which he said "yes, scum", then I asked if he truly believes that his role name for miller is fake, and I got back the hostile response which I see as scummy. I'm used to Rayn being more willingly engaged into conversation than that when he's town, and I wouldn't expect him to look for reasons for being asked out about his scumread, he should be persuading people to vote for it, not trying to avoid the issue. | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:30 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah in a sort of clever way I think he is. I'm going to mention something I did in The Game as scum, and before WoS cries "omg thats ur meta not mine" what i'm trying to point out here is that this is a viable scum move, not that WoS in particular has a meta of doing it. In The Game, I rolled scum. During Day 1, I make a scummy move by soft-defending Zarepath. My goal at the time was for him to get lynched, and for me to get town cred for defending him. I wanted to make it clear I was defending him but not actually derail the anti-Zarepath thread sentiment. I made this post to do that. Now, as I wrote the post I realized, "wow I'm pretty transparently scummy in this post, how do I fix that" and added a few lines to it: So basically, by straight-up admitting to doing something scummy, I made it appear not scummy for me to do so. I incorporate the natural objection any scumhunter would make to my soft defense into the post itself, naturally defusing that tension. Anyone who wants to say "Whoa, what is BH doing here? Why was he soft-defending zarepath, that's quite unlike him!" has been pre-emptively shut down by the fact that I straight-up admit to doing so. I don't actually give a reason why I do it, I don't actually have a justification or a defense for it-- but by saying "yes, I made this move" nobody can say "ah-ha! you made this move!" Taking a look at WoS's post we immediately see the same defusal of scummy behavior. And AGAIN, I'm not saying "oh this is BH's scum meta therefore WoS is scum", I'm just saying this is a classic scum move, I've used it, and I see it being used. Imagine he hadn't written that first line for a moment. You can be sure I'd instantly Dunk WoS for writing a post like this, which only reiterates what's already been said (especially by me) and agrees with it. He would be so dunked. In fact, if he had only written his first sentence, but not his second one, it's still almost certain I'd dunk on him. But take a look at his second sentence! Look at the doubt it plants in your heart. It makes him seem open and townie for a moment because it's like "oh, he's blandly sheeping BH but he's not sure what to make of that!" He's stating awareness of that fact, and thereby defusing the arguments against him. How much of my case against WoS seemed weak to you because of that second sentence? Now imagine you are WoS. OR rather, imagine you are in his position but are town instead of scum. You would DEFINITELY have an opinion on the fact that we are in agreement. If absolutely nothing else, if really nothing else at all, you'd try to interact with BH besides blandly sheeping him. You'd draw BH into a conversation and see if you agree on more things. You wouldn't ONLY rehash things BH has already said then be like "I guess we agree, not sure what to make of that" As town you are curious. you want to hunt scum. Simply agreeing with the best player in the game isn't good enough. To those of you out there who agreed with me on my nk analysis-- you didn't just think "herp derp I agree with BH" did you? You wanted more information. You wanted to interact with my thoughts to get a better read on me. You had a townie instinct-- and instinct WoS doesn't have. So, yes WoS was trying to blend in. He even wrote his post in a way that wouldn't spark more discussion with me. I'm just too sexy to be fooled by such things /Dunked Dude. Can I grab you a broom or something? Robotic arm? You're reaching so far I don't think you can get there without some external help. This is the most convoluted explanation to a very simple post I've ever seen. The 'buddying' I explained earlier, but you know the whole second part of the post where I 'buddy' you has nothing to do with you at all, right? It's just me getting my thoughts across for no particular reason. This does look pretty scummy of you BH, for similar reasons to Oats. You throw a vote on me with very little explanation, and now that you've gotten called out you come up with some fucking crazy convoluted thing with so much 'effort' in it, it HAS to be town, right? Except I know that your scum game revolves around discombobulating the town, whether through spam (which I believe you told RoL you wouldn't rely on anymore or something?) or a post like this which in the end is nothing but a very confusing post with twisted logic amounting to nothing. Which explanation is more believable for my post? Mine or yours? | ||
Blazinghand
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WaveofShadow
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On May 14 2013 01:45 slOosh wrote: WoS, could I have your opinion on rayn? You may, good sir. My opinion in general of Rayn is that he is a pretty tunnely guy...people call his play good but I honestly never quite see it. He tends to be pretty aggressive and when he's got someone in his sights as town he is very reluctant to let that read go and will post constantly attacking said person. I haven't seen much of that Rayn this game, though he may be starting to latch onto Vivax as we speak? Not sure. There are things about his play, however that make me think he's town that I am not allowed to mention yet again, sigh. I will go with town for now. | ||
WaveofShadow
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On May 14 2013 03:50 Blazinghand wrote: dat OMGUS Clearly a scumtell, amirite? | ||
WaveofShadow
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Which explanation is more believable for my post? Mine or yours? Answer my question though, BH. Knowing I have never played scum before at all and knowing what you know about me from past games. Do you honestly think your analysis of me is correct? Because if you do then you MUST be scum because I know you're better than that. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
I think Oats is far more careful with his posts than he usually is (as town). I don't like that atm. Failing to read or misreading something can happen as scum aswell, i would not put too much (town)value on that. Usually Oats does his own stuff (right or wrong) and stands by his decision until proven wrong, now his read on me is 1) failing to read, and 2) "sheeping" you (as you left the question in the air and Oats picked it up). | ||
Blazinghand
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VayneAuthority
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going out for a while so putting in my vote before I forget | ||
VayneAuthority
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raynpelikoneet
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VayneAuthority
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On May 14 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne why are you so sure mafia killed DP? I am not, if you filter me you'll see that I originally thought it was a 3rd party or vig shot, but some one showed me that mafia killing power is hidden and could be two. | ||
WaveofShadow
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On May 14 2013 03:55 Blazinghand wrote: lol wos so dunker Cool answer, bro. I can wait, go discuss with Oats and the rest of the scumteam, k? | ||
raynpelikoneet
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Blazinghand
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should have shot me when u hat thebchjqce nublet | ||
shirokami
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stop doing those. | ||
VisceraEyes
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On May 14 2013 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote:prplhz ##Unvote ##Vote prplhz | ||
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