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On May 13 2013 04:14 prplhz wrote: @HiroPro Self-aware millers should generally always claim as first thing d1 (n0) so we don't have Cops checking into people we know will show scum and so we don't allow scum the excuse of "Oh, but I'm a miller" if we get a guilty check on them. @ObviousOne Are you serious? It is optimal to claim self aware miller in a set up with known rolls or something like C9++ where it is known how roles are determined. In a closed set-up self aware millers can or cannot claim but a miller claim is a point against someone not for them. I would argue with DP though on the possibility of him claiming miller as scum. Miller is an easy role to claim as scum specifically in a closed set-up and while DP is a good scum player I still find it quite possible he would fake claim the miller role, there is at least one example of scum fake claiming it on this forum (marv in Normal IV) and that was a good mafia player whose fake claim helped his team quite a bit. For the moment DP is an excellent day one policy lynch based on the claim alone in a vacuum I'd say he is more likely scum than town but we have time to figure it out so I'm not too fussed. If anyone claims miller at any point after n0 we should auto-lynch them, if scum wants to fake claim it they had better do it today (or have already done it today). | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:47 chaoser wrote: Promethelax, what do you think about obviousone? if the lynch was going to happen right now and you had total control over it, who do you think would be the best lynch and why? DP? can you explain why you said what was the purpose of that statement? I like obviousone as a player so that may be clouding my judgement but he generally starts games with something a little silly (hydra game was my personal favourite where he rewrote a song from my childhood to be about mafia.) O haven't looked at him anymore than reading the thread but while doing that I didn't get enough scum vibes from him to look back. I don't have a strong read on him at the moment in either direction. The stuff which has been brought up about him being defensive isn't convincing to me. As to the lynch right now the very second you posted this question it would be between DP and WoS for me. DP for policy reasons about miller claiming in a closed set up and WoS because his aggression and in-your-face attitude is something which feels totally dissonant from his town game. I wish he had scum meta for me to look at but since he doesn't I can only say that it doesn't seem to match his green or blue play. I'd lean towards WoS I think. My purpose is to create a policy where no one can claim miller in response to a check. I would like any mafia who want to claim that they will return red to a check to do it now. I'd also like all millers to do it now since we are getting an essentially free cop check on the claiments (i.e. we know that DP will return red to a cop check, now its up to us to decide if that cop check is worth lynching him over). How about you chaoser? Who is your n0 lynch and why? On May 13 2013 06:02 DarthPunk wrote: I would also like an answer on how the fuck you have a town read on everyone so far? because that sort of shit screams scum to me. Dunno if this helps but I read it as a bit of a joke. There was a game recently where vivax said the same thing and was called town for it. I think said game was LXI (ongoing) which is why the players in that game won't talk about it. But go check out the first few pages and you'll see it. On May 13 2013 06:14 DarthPunk wrote: I kind of feel good about all this talking in a way. Bypassed the policy talk, although prome still want to policy lynch me. <3 The further into the thread the worse I feel about obviousone. This in particular is one of my least favourite posts ever: On May 13 2013 06:14 ObviousOne wrote: Lol so you just walked into that one. You cherry picked the part of my post I added for you to cherry pick and didn't bother to refute the rest. Scum or 3P, guys. You heard it here first. DP already brought up why its terrible but yeah. I'm not a fan. On May 13 2013 07:17 ObviousOne wrote: Lol dismissing that specific thing by calling it meta is pretty funny. You assume I am a new or bad player instead of reading my profile which is kept up to date for my own convenience to refer to. You disregard my invitation to understand me better. You are not interested in figuring out my alignment because you either know or don't care. Scum or lazy town, either way I wish death upon you at our earliest convenience. Bee Tee Dubz: The word you were looking for is 'policy'. never mind. DP gets a pass I'd lynch obviousone, there is no reason for a town to wish death on someone who they are alignment null on which this posts clearly states OO is on DP. On May 13 2013 07:44 VisceraEyes wrote: DP claimed miller eh? I tend to agree with OO for now - ignore the claim and hunt for scum. You either believe his claim or you don't, because you know for a fact that a DT check on him WILL return "guilty" (because he's either town and telling the truth or scum). So let him do what he's going to do up until lynch time. If he's the scummiest dude, lynch him. EZPZ. Promethelax weakly supporting a policy lynch of DP is the scummiest thing in the thread imo. Like check out his language. "In a vacuum that's scummy", "we can figure it out" and "good candidate for policy lynch". Barely an opinion of his own at all in the whole thing. Am watching carefully. Am watching carefully. All (Viscera)Eyes on me, eh? On May 13 2013 09:30 shirokami wrote: pretty much that, now we come ask ourselves, was that claim even worth it? it was pretty much +-0 Not at all. It gives us something excellent to start off day one discussion and gives us a free cop check. That was what I had up to the day post. I was wrong on DP but I'd like to think I'd have worked it out today anyways. I'm going to read post day post and write another large post responding to everything I want to talk about. Keeping them separate for ease. | ||
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On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote: That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia If it becomes known later that mafia have only 1 nk lynch oats. On May 13 2013 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote: third party or inept vig that is the question. Anyhow kita's filter just brings up a few suspicions towards me, darth, WoS, and prplhz. I am also suspicious of prplhz and anyone else in this thread that went out of their way to communicate with kita. Who else would that be Vayne? You had some interactions with kita around your past game play, does that make you scum? If not why not? On May 13 2013 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Why would mafia shoot DP other than the fact that he is actually good at mafia [small]unlike you [small]? He is under a decent amount of pressure and could sidetrack town for a significant portion of d1 possibly. There are better shots IMO. Prome please come and make yourself confirmed town. Game would be a lot easier that way. STARSENSES sorry brah, my time is limited I'll do what I can. On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote: The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped. Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong. The above post is 100% true. Unless someone claims something new 2nks in a game this size are the mafia kp. On May 13 2013 14:20 VayneAuthority wrote: Im not gonna go through everyones filter so far since this thread is already huge, but as I said any interaction where some one goes out of their way to talk to kita. for example, prplhz saying hi to him when not addressed at all. It makes them scummy, in my opinion, because kita died tonight. Got dat kita on your mind, whos gonna pop in your head when your thinking who to night kill? lololololol On May 13 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote: I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that. goddamn it. OO is scum. None of us had a reasonable explanation for a nk on DP. I've been trying to think about who has a high opinion of DP's town play in this game and the ones I know of are me and scum team from The Game (bh/kita/bugs/geript) so I was looking at bh but rather liked his posting so far. Somehow OO has an explanation for the nk that makes perfect sense if he were scum. ##Vote: ObviousOne On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. and WoS too. Fuck now I'm torn. Let me lay it out for you, this player list is pretty soft. There are three excellent vet players: Kita, BH and VE. There is one vet from long ago who is good but hasn't played in a while: Chaoser. And a few above average players who are known to be good: me, DP, SnB, Sloosh, prplhz, hiro. I'd have been pretty surprised to see the nks fall outside of that group of people and even more shocked if there wasn't at least one of the bh/kita/ve triad dead (or shot at) n0. Mafia aren't dumb they know which players are good and which are bad, they don't need help in directing n0 kp. There are five scum, the idea of five players not being able to figure out which players are worth shooting early is laughable. Though the DP shot is pretty bad because he was under so much pressure. So maybe they did need help. On May 13 2013 16:04 Vivax wrote: There's another scummy dude I have in mind but I'll wait to see what he does today. hint: that dude is me. Its always me. | ||
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On May 13 2013 16:33 Vivax wrote: Ah I misread the stuff. Comments on Rayn please? That post by him wasn't the only scummy thing but I don't want to write a complete case, I'm lazy atm. He hadn't popped out to me but I like what you pointed out. I'm going back now to filter him, WoS and OO. I like my vote where it is for the moment but I'll get back to you in a little bit after filter diving. You comment on WoS/OO for me, fair trade? | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. and this post: On May 13 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well everyone who has posted so far besides you are probably town. I'm off to bed, cya tomorrow. Rayn is all about how DP is scum. His recent games have been decent and Rayn's one scum game showed a good understanding of how to play scum. Tunneling one dude and murdering him right after isn't terribly good as mafia even more so since at least one townie (from my pov obviously, you can argue that everyone who called DP scum is themselves scum) agreed with his push and DP seemed like a likely target for the day one lynch. I by no means think Rayn is confirmed town but I certainly wouldn't lynch him today. | ||
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On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Also. OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt. Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP. Come on. Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO??? OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense? | ||
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On May 13 2013 16:45 Vivax wrote: OO I think is town for early activity and cause he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about his image. I put him into that spot pretty early and I have other fish to fry. I'm not sure about WoS, but he never rolled scum and seems pretty cheerful this game. I'd expect him to not be able to not give a fuck so easily in his first game as scum, I wish that he started doing some analysis soon, N0 is over. These two aren't really subject of interest. They are interesting to me. I propose a deal. We treat each other as confirmed town today and bounce reads off each other. You ask me for a read on a player and I ask you for one on a different player. We have a history of tunneling each other and I'd like to see what we can get from working together. Though you might be scum and I'll tunnel you for it later. What do you say? One day of teamwork and we see what happens from there? WoS hasn't felt cheerful to me, his confrontational attitude n0 was really weird. As I said it doesn't match his play in the past at all and he too had a reason to shoot DP and has buddied BH in an odd way which I didn't like. | ||
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On May 13 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote: No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1. I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP? My assumption is that scum did shoot DP because that makes most sense in this set-up. As such I think you are town based on your calling it a vig shot. If however it turns out DP was vigged my reads reverse it doesn't matter that OO/WoS had reasons for scum to hit DP and it does matter that you thought he was vigged. I, as scum, wouldn't want to hit 3p day one. OO clearly thought it was optimal scum play though. On May 13 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote: I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that. | ||
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On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts. | ||
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I'm not too worried about VE, I'll be able to read him when he eventually shows up. | ||
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You think Rayn likely staged his push on DP and followed it up by killing him? | ||
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On November 15 2011 19:17 prplhz wrote: I think any policy lynch is stupid, and LAW (lynch-all-wherebugsgos) is one of the more stupid policies to lynch by. You want to just lock down the lynch on him without any discussion? Then how are we supposed to catch scum? If we lynch him based on nothing (he hasn't posted in the thread yet) then there's like 22% chance that he will be scum. That means that you want to sacrifice the following: 1 cycle of discussion 1 townie from NK ... in exchange for the following: 22% chance to hit a scum, a whopping 78% chance to hit a townie. Tell me why you think this is a good deal? I am quite aware that Palmar is just trying to make discussion, so am I, now lets discuss. In this game he has instead countered the policy lynch and provided some thoughts. He hasn't impressed me by any means but I don't want to lynch him. I also liked that his last post was towards Kita and VE, if he was scum those are the people he'd least want to look at him. They are two of the best, if not the two best, players in this thread. Now you do SnB and tell me why you picked prplhz. | ||
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Who do you think is scum and why? I'm curious to see what Rayn says in response to your accusations Vivax. I'd like to get a better read on him but I still don't think he is most likely to flip scum. OO and WoS are simply better targets for this lynch. | ||
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Shouldn't you have something on SnB given that he was here and did say things before doing nothing meaningful. How is someone saying nothing meaningful alignment null? | ||
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On May 13 2013 20:04 chaoser wrote: leaving for work, but before I do, ##Vote raynpelikoneet I know you've left for work and all but when you come back are to explain what you hoped to gain from a pressure vote with no reasoning? Rayn isn't bad enough to feel pressure from this. On May 13 2013 21:30 kushm4sta wrote: I think OO is town because he is being very active and very aggressive. That's not his scum style. Also he is saying some profoundly retarded things. Like about how DP might be godfather... just seems more townie to say dumb shit like that. That was an obvious joke. Nick is a jokey player. I don't see how that gives you a town tell on him. Are you suggesting his scum self wouldn't make that joke? On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets get a wagon rolling ##Vote: WaveofShadow Oats my friend, now you have proven that I can't read you on meta anymore I have to actually confront you on this stupid shit. What is this vote doing on WoS and why is it there? Why do [i]you[/i[ think WoS is scum? On May 13 2013 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Still in the middle of catching up, but Prom the fact that you're meta-ing me based on what, 2-3 games we've played is laughable. Go check out some of my more recent games if you think I'm still afraid to be confrontational. In any case I like your read on OO as I see it right now, especially considering that I assumed DP was town from his claim right at the start. I'm also impressed by your mentioning of LXI re:Vivax since as you are aware, I am unable to yet. Continuing read. Mayhaps one day I can be included in a list of not-bad players too. I read every post in every game on tl mafia and I have done for a year. I have seen your games. Teaching moment: somewhat unrelated to the game. I think mentioning where a reference comes from when it comes from an ongoing game is simply polite. Just say who did it and when in the game and it allows an interested player to check it out and make their own assumptions on what happened there. This is my opinion and is in no way condoned by the wider tlmafia group. You do realize that there is no actual content in this post though, right? Removing fluff it says: "I can be confrontation as town" and "I am willing to sheep prom on OO" Give me something to work with here, I'm rather happy with the votes on you and you aren't helping your case. hey VE, good to have you back. I eagerly await your catching up. I suggest looking at Rayn/OO/WoS as they are the main subjects of interest for the day. I'd also love something new on prplhz whose play you know better than I do. | ||
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I'm bored with your antics. Scum or town knock it off now. | ||
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No read on either yet since they have said nothing about nothing but people to keep in mind. Shiro, I want your reads on someone who I haven't mentioned yet. Your pick. Tell me what you think about this persona dn why you think that. | ||
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Who did you look into who had weird interactions with kita? Why is that person scum? | ||
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On May 14 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote: The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita you calling an eighteen page thread huge is hilarious. You'll see. So prp is scum because of the Kita kill, what about people's interactions with DP? Why did his kill not factor into your analysis? WoS: if everyone who has started the wagons on you has been scum are you suggesting kita is scum? (obviously not but I have no idea what you are trying to suggest. Who is scum for pushing you?) prp and SnB, welcome back. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the leading vote owners and another player of your choice. You both know the drill. Reads and reasons. | ||
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I think I mentioned this already but Oats' calling the DP shot a vig shot seems like a likely town slip to me. It depends on how many KP scum actually has obviously but it seems very likely that scum have two (or more, this is an Ace game after all) kp in this set up. Since Chaoser is the only RB claim I'm assuming that Kita JK'd him last night. Interestingly that means that either scum don't have a RB or that RB was stacked on Chaoser. All players who have been roleblocked need to claim obviously but with only one claimed RB I'll assume that was Kita. | ||
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On May 14 2013 01:17 slOosh wrote: Hey Prom, why would OO as scum give out the NK explanation? because dumb. It would be bad scum play obviously but I have seen scum players do it in the past when trying to look as if they are contributing/paying attention. It is one of the things scum have the easiest time being involved in. Something else I noticed about Oats earlier but wasn't sure about so I haven't brought it up yet: he was the one with the plan to make someone fight for their lives day one (a plan I rather liked) and yet he didn't come out with an early vote day one. SnB, I know I'm pretty bad at this myself as I'm double posting right now but could you please consolidate your posts. For me? | ||
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On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. Vivax, this is WoS's reasoning for killing DP. He was one of two players who suggested a reason to kill DP immediately after the day post. Chaoser, you were asking about why it mattered to me that Oats called the DP shot a vig shit. I am working off the assumption that both night kills were scum directed and Oats' post felt genuine, if I believe that his first assumption was that DP had been vigged that precludes the possibility of Oats scum. Oats' play aside from that is quite possibly scum play but as I have recenly taken a hit to my confidence when it comes to reading Oats I'll stick with the town tell and put him on the townie side of null. | ||
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prp, you vanished. I want more from you. Why do you think WoS is town? Who do you think is scum besides Hiro? Vivax, look into Oats for me. I'm curious what you think of him and SnB refuses to do anything but talk about him. Its time oats was a focus of conversation since he is one of the guys with some votes on him. | ||
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Kinda convoluted I know but suffice it to say I have reasonable reason to think he is town and I can't say it. Either you trust/believe me or you don't. | ||
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On May 14 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote: Vivax, this is WoS's reasoning for killing DP. He was one of two players who suggested a reason to kill DP immediately after the day post. Chaoser, you were asking about why it mattered to me that Oats called the DP shot a vig shit. I am working off the assumption that both night kills were scum directed and Oats' post felt genuine, if I believe that his first assumption was that DP had been vigged that precludes the possibility of Oats scum. Oats' play aside from that is quite possibly scum play but as I have recenly taken a hit to my confidence when it comes to reading Oats I'll stick with the town tell and put him on the townie side of null. | ||
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On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. Well WoS thinks that scum have to assume that townies are town. Don't discount the logic. | ||
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I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them. WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me. | ||
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On May 15 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Im lazy. dont want to play. At the moment though, ummm VE totes scum cause he hasnt posted a shitton. Rayn too Im suspicious of. Everyone else that has more than 2 pages of filter is town for now. Dude, you aren't doing anything. What the fuck is this? | ||
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Basically a scum seeing those flips we think: oh good, our shots went through. A townie could think: jesus why did another townie shoot my town read who people were talking about shooting. A scum would never think: oh god that would have been such a bad vig shot, the scum knows it was a scum shot. I don't really know if I can make this any clearer but the above is my reasoning for thinking Oats is town. It made more sense before he continued to be scummy and not act the way I expect a town Oats to act. I'm still leaning on the town side of null for Oats because of the above but I'm not as sure as I was. | ||
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On May 15 2013 01:00 kushm4sta wrote: Not sure what to think of other people because I haven't filtered anyone else. scums are more likely to panic. Panicking is indicated by posting frequency and emotionality. What are your first impressions of other players? | ||
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On May 15 2013 01:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm L-4, but who's counting? I'd bet this has something to do with Oats' having his vote stolen. He voted you with his in thread vote but if he was telling the truth about his vote being stolen you'd be at L-5 since his vote is not actually on you. Oats, for my sake unvote WoS and vote for me. Leave it there for at least until the next vote count. | ||
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On May 15 2013 06:01 VayneAuthority wrote: what are the chances of there being a fool in this game with so many self voters? or is that just a thing on this forum? This is actually a surprisingly good point. While it is rare for us to use the role (we usually call it a Jester) this is an Ace themed game and there could be a guy present who wins by being lynched. Since we don't know that to be the case though I think we have to play as though it isn't fact. Putting a guy who wants to be lynched into a game where no one knows he exists is pretty shitty. Its easy to get lynched. Even if there is a jester in the game it will be of the win alone but game continues type, not the game over jester wins type. Oh, I see Hiro said this. Bah. Fuck I think its likely that OO is scum and want him lynched for that. Everyone stop with this policy crap though. Either vote OO because you think he is likely to flip scum or do not vote OO. There is not a third option. OO, finding yourself in endgame with Grush and anyone is a townie dream come true. You know with 100% certainty who the last scum is and you only have to convince Grush. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? If I thought this was your town play we'd be having words later. VE, you around? I want someone to talk to whose opinions are worth something. And what I said about Vayne still holds true ongoing game blah blah but it'll be done in under 24 hours. Why do you think you can push his lynch through today when I have already told you that I oppose it? Vayne, I have both a meta and currentgame town read on prplhz. Your arguments have done nothing to convince me of his guilt and his responses to you make him more townie. Change your vote to someone who might actually flip scum. prp and SnB, I rather like your respective cases on Hiro and Oats. prp: I don't have the history with Hiro to back it up though, Rockband is one of the few games played since I joined the forum which I didn't read. Could you elaborate on the connections you see between Hiro here and scumHiro there? Your gut read doesn't help me because I don't share it. SnB: why is it that you disagree with the town tell I have brought up about Oats? How much have you played with him before? The kid is a bit all over the place, though I love him he ccan be an idiot and the 180s and calling out his own scumminess are both present in his town games as well as his scum games. | ||
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Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb. What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad. | ||
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1. Early defensiveness brought up by DP (not a thing I think is a huge tell but it is different from his usual town game) 2. Eagerly explains a reason for the nightkill which no one had thought of in thread previously (I think this is a strong tell, others clearly disagree with me, Chaoser in particular) 3. Martyring and promises for future contribution at the same time (Martyring is policy lynch. Martyrig while saying "if you leave me alive I'll be useful I promise" is a scum tell since he is begging to be left alive his martyring is false. False martyring comes from scum). My only major problem with my lynch on him is actually the wagon which has formed behind me. Hiro's vote felt eh and Rayn's only felt a little better. BH is only there for policy. The discussion has all been around WoS/Oats and I was waiting for him to come back to the thread for me to really push him since pushing afk players is both boring and somewhat useless. We have four hours though, lets discuss him now. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote: and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point. Look bud, you want to talk experience go ahead but you are self admittedly bad while in my most recent game I pushed a day one scum lynch and manged to fight the entire thread into lynching said scum after reversing my tunnel on a townie which had almost lead to said townie getting lynched. I'm better than you. Get over it. | ||
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Look, you may have been playing mafia for longer than me. Congratulations? You've probably been masturbating for longer than me too, that doesn't make you better at it. What I am telling you is I have a history of catching scum and getting night killed. If you can say the same about yourself, fine I'll retract my comment about you being bad. If you want to talk about this post game when we can all be friends again I'll apologize. For now my analysis on you comes from my understanding of your play, if you are way better than I think you are please inform me of that and prove it by giving me some examples from your recent games. | ||
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VE you still around? I wanna talk to someone who doesn't make me want to punch myself in the face. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement. VE, hold me, I'm laughing too hard. | ||
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Grush, what do you think about the lead votees? | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote: It's in my profile bra. Why did I just go skim through all of magic: mini!?!?!!? Although I did find a picture of Katina which applies well to Vayne's interactions with me. Can you guess which one? Hrio: da fuk?? We're lynching someone. We'd better be. No-lynch is fucking stupid. Tell me who you do want to lynch not who you don't want to lynch. Grush: which of OO/Vayne is more scum and why? | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai guise. Vayne don't let elitist attitudes get you down, this is TL. You may want to watch the blatant insults though; that kind of thing will definitely get you banned depending on the host. I seem to recall you being similarly abrasive on the LoL subforum though I'm not sure why I remember that. For the record I'm fairly sure you're town and don't feel comfortable voting for you today. If you find people are calling you bad based on your playstyle and it gets you lynched, whether here or elsewhere, it probably means you should change it to fit the area (or people) you're playing with since lynching/getting lynched is a population-dependent process. It doesn't necessarily mean your play is objectively bad. Aaaaaaanyway, gonna read into OO I guess? Any other suggestions? I think I remember calling prplhz town; I'll recheck that too. Probably best to look into Vayne (I'm pretty sure he is town but don't take my word on it). Look into Rayn, Oats, prp and Hiro I guess? We need a lynch and we need some consolidation. | ||
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No matter your alignment and assuming you aren't lying: I'm sorry my tone bothers you. We can talk about it post game. I don't mean to make anyone rage (besides scum). I'm not going to change who I am though. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:57 ObviousOne wrote: I will attempt to read your posts in a Donald Duck voice in my head. That may help, I guess. Everyone else: Please give thoughts on the people who Prom listed as those are pretty much the same interests as I have. Well maybe you need some self control | ||
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lol. So BH, do you think OO is scum or is your vote pure policy? | ||
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VE: thanks, I look forward to it. I too have that problem with a lot of the newer players, having coached them/talked to them on skype frequently it makes it hard to be impartial. Doesn't help that OO looks exactly like my little cousin. | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, 2 things. 1) Vayne's rage reminds me eerily of Tunkeg/Mocsta/insert-butthurt-newb-townie-here. Before he was just kinda laughing my suspicion away, and now he's raging at you, his defender. 2) I came to realize that my read of OO might be biased. I just read his filter with your "consolidated case" in mind (thx btdubz) and frankly I'm not AS confident in my townread as I was before. I still think he's town, but it's been downgraded to "leaning town". Because you seem almost certain of yours, I'm willing to consolidate on your target. Tunkeg is the perfect example of this play. Fuck, why didn't I think of that. I think Vayne can be read as town from his actions in this game by the way. Attacking his defender the way he has seems genuine, if he was scum he'd want someone he knows is town defending him and try to play me AND the whole time he'd be laughing 'cause while I'm calling him bad I also have a backwards read on him. He wouldn't be angry. He'd be superior. I think that is a very important point. Hence the bold. What about that case (welcome) convinces you? What things did you see in OO that are scummy which are not in my case? | ||
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I think saying the Oats lynch won't happen is very poor reading of thread sentiment. There are a lot of people in the willing to lynch oats group, it just so happens that I personally am opposed to it and you are listening to me more than you are to others. If you will be around until deadline I'd prefer you keep your vote on the player you think is most likely scum and try to get others to vote with you consolidation is not yet necessary. | ||
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Let it go and tell me about your scum reads. Why OO? Why a NL over OO? | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:09 Promethelax wrote: Kinda case thing on OO (fuck you VE, I hate writing cases): 1. Early defensiveness brought up by DP (not a thing I think is a huge tell but it is different from his usual town game) 2. Eagerly explains a reason for the nightkill which no one had thought of in thread previously (I think this is a strong tell, others clearly disagree with me, Chaoser in particular) 3. Martyring and promises for future contribution at the same time (Martyring is policy lynch. Martyrig while saying "if you leave me alive I'll be useful I promise" is a scum tell since he is begging to be left alive his martyring is false. False martyring comes from scum). My only major problem with my lynch on him is actually the wagon which has formed behind me. Hiro's vote felt eh and Rayn's only felt a little better. BH is only there for policy. The discussion has all been around WoS/Oats and I was waiting for him to come back to the thread for me to really push him since pushing afk players is both boring and somewhat useless. We have four hours though, lets discuss him now. Anti-case on vayne On May 15 2013 10:26 Promethelax wrote: Tunkeg is the perfect example of this play. Fuck, why didn't I think of that. I think Vayne can be read as town from his actions in this game by the way. Attacking his defender the way he has seems genuine, if he was scum he'd want someone he knows is town defending him and try to play me AND the whole time he'd be laughing 'cause while I'm calling him bad I also have a backwards read on him. He wouldn't be angry. He'd be superior. I think that is a very important point. Hence the bold. What about that case (welcome) convinces you? What things did you see in OO that are scummy which are not in my case? | ||
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Reevaluating all reads and Catching up: I really hate how Hiro plays, I'm not sure if that is alignment indicative though and Hiro isn't bad when town. A d1 no-lynch punches me in the soul though. UPDATE (OO reminded me) vayne's Newbie game is now over. The reason I feel he is town on his posting here is that his scum hunting techniques (bad though they are) remain consistent from that game to this one. His thought process here reflects his newbie game in which he was TOWN since I don't believe he is a strong enough player to replicate his town thought process as sccum that means he is probably TOWN here too. VE, look at this and provide your thoughts please and thanks. OO's many posts after my last one look a lot better than what came before. The effort he is putting in look like a townie OO and depending on how he follows them up as I continue reading I'd say I lean town on him now. If OO proves town I'm concerned about a scum VE as Viscera should be way better than me at reading OO and had him as a town read but recinded that to follow me and vote him. I would call these two opposite alignments I think with a small possibility of both town but zero possibility OO scum/VE town. Vivax looks good in these posts (still page 55) don't think he would call a no-lynch a fail vote as scum. He'd probably fuck off and laugh. Also his comment about the Katina picture makes me laugh (dude, can't you tell that is a girl and not me? I'm way more manly than that) and making me laugh is a plus one in my book. Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunantly its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise. Still think Rayn is town though, he looks good and what he has done in the time he has been in the thread has ben good so I don't really care about how active he is, he is one of the few new guys I expecct to be active as both alignments so his lowered activity just doesn't bother me. OO points out the VE problem with towrn read into vote. I like this, he is thinking critically, I just wish it was about mroe than people going after him. Follows it up with suspicion on SnB. Never mind, OO is probably town. He doesn't have it in him to do this as scum. SO much reread and rethink going on here. I don't think I agree with SnB scum but I'll have to reread after catching up. Rayn has good thoughts on SnB, pushes him (the slot machine) further into town catagory. He is approaching things the right way. I have to go reread Oats depending on NK numbers, not as sure about him=town based town tell as I was and if NKs don't match up he is a real possibility for scum. I'm pretty sure Kush is town. Which is too bad. Ah well, if he pushes scum lynches for a while we vig/shoot him since that means he is scum but for now I'll take him as town based on his first post on pg 56. Too lazy to go into it. If you want the meta read ask. Have no idea what Oats is saying here, still an idiot (<3) but yeah...reread this motherfucker. Need to look into this vote stealer thing, may also be a scum power where he gives up his vote in return for something else? No hidden vote appeared on anyone and so 'stolen' doesn't work. OATS: what was the prashing of the PM? was your vote stolen? Or removed or what? lol Shiro, this kid should still be in newbies. Mafia is a game of "words againt words". Rayn, I'd love some insight on this kid. You've played with him, gimme a rundown of how he thinks. Sloosh is a player I haven't even noticed yet. Not a good sign from a player whom I respect. Added to reread list. I like his posts on 56 though so this might be his new inactive town meta. I'll look again. I do like his post about Rayn/OO, a lot. Kid can think. Town side of null on first read. OO brings up Vayne's play conflicting with his 'logical townie' playstyle. My impression is that Vayne thinks of himself as logical and not emotional not that he is actually logical instead of emotional. We only get this 'logical' idea from Vayne himself. And based on his hissy fit he clearly thinks of himself as better than he is. OO again with the good thoughts on SLoosh (pg 57), I don't like to be wrong d1 but I think I was. Also "farting into the wind" is hilarious. As he says, Sloosh's play is big words, which is usually town sloosh, but that does need to be backed up. Vayne is so mad. Can someone give him a handie or something to shut him up and get him to pay attention. k thx. (still town though). I want to see this SnB/OO tiff play out. SnB, waht do you think about the oats vote steal and what did occur if he is scum. I doubt a townie would use votesteal d1 since d1 wagons are a big part of how one analyses the game and taking away a vote from scum is awful. Both OO and SnB want more from Shiro, don't we all. SnB bringing up Chaoser is +1 in my book, where the hell is that guy? VE never followed up on me asking about him (though neither did I). VE, BH, prp and SnB (and maaaaybe hiro?) you guys have been around long enough to know Chaoser, I'd love some insight. WTF Vayne with the VE is scum, VE/Prom will get shot tonight. Sure thing, buddy sure thing. bh, why you pop up to talk about how cool you are and not say anything useful? WoS still confirmed scum? Y/N. Vivax picks up on the Vayne idiocy from above. Good man. I think Vivax is town (and I hope to hell I'm right since if I am this will be my first ever right read on Vivax, go me!). Pg 58 Oh, so VE is suspicious if he lives through the night, eh Vayne? What about me? Why am I not? Or am I misreading your post? Vivax calls him/bh as nk. Note taken. Viv on WoS like butter on bread. He thinks WoS is only scum under pressure though, so OO/Oats are town? Gotta check if this matches his earlier reads. Rayn attacking Vivax while probably wrong is good sign, if Viv is town he can be quite the fighter and insighting him as scum = terrible idea. VE with the appology post. Gotta relook at chrono for my meta case on him. Doesn't look all that similar though night =/= day. Hiro with the shit talk but no contribution on BH. That isn't how I think of Hiro's town game. Didn't he say in ACME obs that I was as bad as kush since I hadn't cought scum. Catching scum is everything to him and he doesn't seem fussed about it. Likely scum. Needs a reread. I don't fit into either catagory of WoS detracotrs or WoS knob gobblers. I am champion! WoS, you gotta talk to me about why you have such a you boner and what you actually think about this shit? Why say bh will get NK'd? didn't you say scum love to tunnel/push you? 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On May 16 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote: Up to the bottom of 58, computer dying and switching to tablet. Sorry for wall o text. Please read. Reevaluating all reads and Catching up: I really hate how Hiro plays, I'm not sure if that is alignment indicative though and Hiro isn't bad when town. A d1 no-lynch punches me in the soul though. UPDATE (OO reminded me) vayne's Newbie game is now over. The reason I feel he is town on his posting here is that his scum hunting techniques (bad though they are) remain consistent from that game to this one. His thought process here reflects his newbie game in which he was TOWN since I don't believe he is a strong enough player to replicate his town thought process as sccum that means he is probably TOWN here too. VE, look at this and provide your thoughts please and thanks. OO's many posts after my last one look a lot better than what came before. The effort he is putting in look like a townie OO and depending on how he follows them up as I continue reading I'd say I lean town on him now. If OO proves town I'm concerned about a scum VE as Viscera should be way better than me at reading OO and had him as a town read but recinded that to follow me and vote him. I would call these two opposite alignments I think with a small possibility of both town but zero possibility OO scum/VE town. Vivax looks good in these posts (still page 55) don't think he would call a no-lynch a fail vote as scum. He'd probably fuck off and laugh. Also his comment about the Katina picture makes me laugh (dude, can't you tell that is a girl and not me? I'm way more manly than that) and making me laugh is a plus one in my book. Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunately its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise. Still think Rayn is town though, he looks good and what he has done in the time he has been in the thread has ben good so I don't really care about how active he is, he is one of the few new guys I expecct to be active as both alignments so his lowered activity just doesn't bother me. OO points out the VE problem with town read into vote. I like this, he is thinking critically, I just wish it was about more than people going after him. Follows it up with suspicion on SnB. Never mind, OO is probably town. He doesn't have it in him to do this as scum. SO much reread and rethink going on here. I don't think I agree with SnB scum but I'll have to reread after catching up. Rayn has good thoughts on SnB, pushes him (the slot machine) further into town category. He is approaching things the right way. I have to go reread Oats depending on NK numbers, not as sure about him=town based town tell as I was and if NKs don't match up he is a real possibility for scum. I'm pretty sure Kush is town. Which is too bad. Ah well, if he pushes scum lynches for a while we vig/shoot him since that means he is scum but for now I'll take him as town based on his first post on pg 56. Too lazy to go into it. If you want the meta read ask. Have no idea what Oats is saying here, still an idiot (<3) but yeah...reread this motherfucker. Need to look into this vote stealer thing, may also be a scum power where he gives up his vote in return for something else? No hidden vote appeared on anyone and so 'stolen' doesn't work. OATS: what was the phrasing of the PM? was your vote stolen? Or removed or what? lol Shiro, this kid should still be in newbies. Mafia is a game of "words against words". Rayn, I'd love some insight on this kid. You've played with him, gimme a rundown of how he thinks. Sloosh is a player I haven't even noticed yet. Not a good sign from a player whom I respect. Added to reread list. I like his posts on 56 though so this might be his new inactive town meta. I'll look again. I do like his post about Rayn/OO, a lot. Kid can think. Town side of null on first read. OO brings up Vayne's play conflicting with his 'logical townie' playstyle. My impression is that Vayne thinks of himself as logical and not emotional not that he is actually logical instead of emotional. We only get this 'logical' idea from Vayne himself. And based on his hissy fit he clearly thinks of himself as better than he is. OO again with the good thoughts on SLoosh (pg 57), I don't like to be wrong d1 but I think I was. Also "farting into the wind" is hilarious. As he says, Sloosh's play is big words, which is usually town sloosh, but that does need to be backed up. Vayne is so mad. Can someone give him a handie or something to shut him up and get him to pay attention. k thx. (still town though). I want to see this SnB/OO tiff play out. SnB, what do you think about the oats vote steal and what did occur if he is scum. I doubt a townie would use votesteal d1 since d1 wagons are a big part of how one analyses the game and taking away a vote from scum is awful. Both OO and SnB want more from Shiro, don't we all. SnB bringing up Chaoser is +1 in my book, where the hell is that guy? VE never followed up on me asking about him (though neither did I). VE, BH, prp and SnB (and maaaaybe hiro?)you guys have been around long enough to know Chaoser, I'd love some insight. WTF Vayne with the VE is scum, VE/Prom will get shot tonight. Sure thing, buddy sure thing. bh, why you pop up to talk about how cool you are and not say anything useful? WoS still confirmed scum? Y/N. Vivax picks up on the Vayne idiocy from above. Good man. I think Vivax is town (and I hope to hell I'm right since if I am this will be my first ever right read on Vivax, go me!). Pg 58 Oh, so VE is suspicious if he lives through the night, eh Vayne? What about me? Why am I not? Or am I misreading your post? Vivax calls him/bh as nk. Note taken. Viv on WoS like butter on bread. He thinks WoS is only scum under pressure though, so OO/Oats are town? Gotta check if this matches his earlier reads. Rayn attacking Vivax while probably wrong is good sign, if Viv is town he can be quite the fighter and insighting him as scum = terrible idea. VE with the appology post. Gotta relook at chrono for my meta case on him. Doesn't look all that similar though night =/= day. Hiro with the shit talk but no contribution on BH. That isn't how I think of Hiro's town game. Didn't he say in ACME obs that I was as bad as kush since I hadn't cought scum. Catching scum is everything to him and he doesn't seem fussed about it. Likely scum. Needs a reread. I don't fit into either catagory of WoS detractors or WoS knob gobblers. I am champion! WoS, you gotta talk to me about why you have such a you boner and what you actually think about this shit? Why say bh will get NK'd? didn't you say scum love to tunnel/push you? Don't like this from WoS at all Okay, formatted better and I corrected the typos I found. Back to my reread now. Remind me to murder the guy who programmed such a terrible copy/paste function into notepad. | ||
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On May 16 2013 23:54 Oatsmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote: Up to the bottom of 58, computer dying and switching to tablet. Sorry for wall o text. Please read. Reevaluating all reads and Catching up: I really hate how Hiro plays, I'm not sure if that is alignment indicative though and Hiro isn't bad when town. A d1 no-lynch punches me in the soul though. UPDATE (OO reminded me) vayne's Newbie game is now over. The reason I feel he is town on his posting here is that his scum hunting techniques (bad though they are) remain consistent from that game to this one. His thought process here reflects his newbie game in which he was TOWN since I don't believe he is a strong enough player to replicate his town thought process as sccum that means he is probably TOWN here too. VE, look at this and provide your thoughts please and thanks. OO's many posts after my last one look a lot better than what came before. The effort he is putting in look like a townie OO and depending on how he follows them up as I continue reading I'd say I lean town on him now. If OO proves town I'm concerned about a scum VE as Viscera should be way better than me at reading OO and had him as a town read but recinded that to follow me and vote him. I would call these two opposite alignments I think with a small possibility of both town but zero possibility OO scum/VE town. Vivax looks good in these posts (still page 55) don't think he would call a no-lynch a fail vote as scum. He'd probably fuck off and laugh. Also his comment about the Katina picture makes me laugh (dude, can't you tell that is a girl and not me? I'm way more manly than that) and making me laugh is a plus one in my book. Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunantly its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise. Still think Rayn is town though, he looks good and what he has done in the time he has been in the thread has ben good so I don't really care about how active he is, he is one of the few new guys I expecct to be active as both alignments so his lowered activity just doesn't bother me. OO points out the VE problem with towrn read into vote. I like this, he is thinking critically, I just wish it was about mroe than people going after him. Follows it up with suspicion on SnB. Never mind, OO is probably town. He doesn't have it in him to do this as scum. SO much reread and rethink going on here. I don't think I agree with SnB scum but I'll have to reread after catching up. Rayn has good thoughts on SnB, pushes him (the slot machine) further into town catagory. He is approaching things the right way. I have to go reread Oats depending on NK numbers, not as sure about him=town based town tell as I was and if NKs don't match up he is a real possibility for scum. I'm pretty sure Kush is town. Which is too bad. Ah well, if he pushes scum lynches for a while we vig/shoot him since that means he is scum but for now I'll take him as town based on his first post on pg 56. Too lazy to go into it. If you want the meta read ask. Have no idea what Oats is saying here, still an idiot (<3) but yeah...reread this motherfucker. Need to look into this vote stealer thing, may also be a scum power where he gives up his vote in return for something else? No hidden vote appeared on anyone and so 'stolen' doesn't work. OATS: what was the prashing of the PM? was your vote stolen? Or removed or what? lol Shiro, this kid should still be in newbies. Mafia is a game of "words againt words". Rayn, I'd love some insight on this kid. You've played with him, gimme a rundown of how he thinks. Sloosh is a player I haven't even noticed yet. Not a good sign from a player whom I respect. Added to reread list. I like his posts on 56 though so this might be his new inactive town meta. I'll look again. I do like his post about Rayn/OO, a lot. Kid can think. Town side of null on first read. OO brings up Vayne's play conflicting with his 'logical townie' playstyle. My impression is that Vayne thinks of himself as logical and not emotional not that he is actually logical instead of emotional. We only get this 'logical' idea from Vayne himself. And based on his hissy fit he clearly thinks of himself as better than he is. OO again with the good thoughts on SLoosh (pg 57), I don't like to be wrong d1 but I think I was. Also "farting into the wind" is hilarious. As he says, Sloosh's play is big words, which is usually town sloosh, but that does need to be backed up. Vayne is so mad. Can someone give him a handie or something to shut him up and get him to pay attention. k thx. (still town though). I want to see this SnB/OO tiff play out. SnB, waht do you think about the oats vote steal and what did occur if he is scum. I doubt a townie would use votesteal d1 since d1 wagons are a big part of how one analyses the game and taking away a vote from scum is awful. Both OO and SnB want more from Shiro, don't we all. SnB bringing up Chaoser is +1 in my book, where the hell is that guy? VE never followed up on me asking about him (though neither did I). VE, BH, prp and SnB (and maaaaybe hiro?) you guys have been around long enough to know Chaoser, I'd love some insight. WTF Vayne with the VE is scum, VE/Prom will get shot tonight. Sure thing, buddy sure thing. bh, why you pop up to talk about how cool you are and not say anything useful? WoS still confirmed scum? Y/N. Vivax picks up on the Vayne idiocy from above. Good man. I think Vivax is town (and I hope to hell I'm right since if I am this will be my first ever right read on Vivax, go me!). Pg 58 Oh, so VE is suspicious if he lives through the night, eh Vayne? What about me? Why am I not? Or am I misreading your post? Vivax calls him/bh as nk. Note taken. Viv on WoS like butter on bread. He thinks WoS is only scum under pressure though, so OO/Oats are town? Gotta check if this matches his earlier reads. Rayn attacking Vivax while probably wrong is good sign, if Viv is town he can be quite the fighter and insighting him as scum = terrible idea. VE with the appology post. Gotta relook at chrono for my meta case on him. Doesn't look all that similar though night =/= day. Hiro with the shit talk but no contribution on BH. That isn't how I think of Hiro's town game. Didn't he say in ACME obs that I was as bad as kush since I hadn't cought scum. Catching scum is everything to him and he doesn't seem fussed about it. Likely scum. Needs a reread. I don't fit into either catagory of WoS detracotrs or WoS knob gobblers. I am champion! WoS, you gotta talk to me about why you have such a you boner and what you actually think about this shit? Why say bh will get NK'd? didn't you say scum love to tunnel/push you? Don't like this from WoS at all computer illiterate huh. The preview button not working? | ||
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On May 17 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: I like how half your post is about dead people Where? Also, my vote was stolen, and there was an anonymous vote on Hiro if im not mistaken. So yeah im totally confirmed town now. Will find it for you. And no there was a vote miscounted on hiro. I really don't like you calling yourself confirmed town over this. Fuck I wish you still sucked butts at scum so I could meta read you. | ||
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On May 16 2013 12:22 slOosh wrote: Also, if you choose to use [REDACTED], whatever that means, please support it with something else within the thread. Redacted is a ongoing game in which Kush has died and flipped town and WoS is still alive in. Oooh oats says that the PM said stolen. Doesn't jive with in-game actions as no stolen vote has appeared. Oh lol, of course Rayn and Viv get hit.I wanted to talk to them about things. Bastards. 3 NK though. I will look back at Vivax re: shooting. If he did shoot oats is townier if he didn't I'm confused, unless chooser was hit n1? He claimed RB and Kita was JK. Or regular medic saves/vets. Oats too sure that Vivax shot vayne. Oats: why are you sure that 1: Vivax shot and 2: he shot vayne? I guess everyone assumed this though. WoS/bh please answer the above too. Oooh, WoS with dat me/bh exclusion train. Why not put VE on that list? If its good vets he should be there too. WoS, I'm with bh, well not really, but I do not understand your stance on this shit at all. Why him and me? Besides being vets I don't see the connection (I finally don't feel weird calling myself a vet, in and of Itself that is weird) like yeah, I had initial suspicions on you and bh tunnelled you. Those are both things that happened in the thread that involved you, is that the connection? BH, why OO over WoS, wasn't WoS 10/10 super confirmed scum? It's time for a new wagon, wake up town there is a vet looking at the noose: ##vote: VE Go read my mega post for why, but TL:DR his play regarding OO is all kinds of not VE, if he had a strong town read on one of his favourite players he'd fight against that lynch not limp dick his way onto the wagon citing me as the reason for his vote. | ||
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On May 15 2013 16:53 ObviousOne wrote: Rayn do you need me to explain why I would say that? You will be around less time = you will ask fewer, but perhaps more poignant questions and I'm used to seeing you questioning just about everything as town. I wasn't seeing that ultra-inquisitive Rayn I'm used to seeing, and your retro-active explanation for not being around to question everything as it's happening changed how I felt from you being potentially scum to null for that reason. Kinda late to be responding to this but I have my mojo back so I'm hitting up everything in the thread as I re-read, so whatevs, there you go. | ||
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On May 17 2013 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Because of reasons. Vivax flipped Vigi. Vigi's usually shoot early. Vayne is perfect vigi shot. Vayne is sucky any other alignment shot. True enough. Any filter proof? | ||
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Just realized how vulgar I am. Good thing there are no children here. WoS the me bh thing is important to me, and hopefully the rest of town. Please give updates ASAP. | ||
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On May 17 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Totes qtpie. <3 Um. I dont see it in your mega post, much about VE and his read on OO and behavior surrounding it. I would love to lynch me a vet though, make it happen There was an excellent TL:DR with my vote. Read it and respond. Less of the bullshit more of the content. Now. | ||
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On May 17 2013 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Um. Yeah. you can say all these. But I wanna see, STRONG TOWN READ ON PLAYER LIMP DICKING WAGON SHEEPING PROME HIS SHEPERD. like quotes and such. Sure that sounds real scummy, but you could just be making it up. Or you could stop being a lazy butthead and do it yourself since quoting on a tablet is a fucking whore. WoS: shuttup, finish catching up and come back. I'm on limited time and I wanted to talk to you after you've caught up. | ||
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##unvote No wait, that's not right is it? ##vote: VE Convince me bish. Explain your OO floppy flips. | ||
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VE, I eagerly await you proving yourself townie. I'd much rather be on your team than against you. How do people feel about the tubed slots (BM and sinani) I'm not sure how to deal with them since they aren't lurking they are empty. I'm hoping to see mod kills/replaces soon so I guess hold off for now? I dunno, they are on my mind. | ||
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On May 17 2013 02:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Both you and Hiro. And where the fuck is chaoser? I dunno. I'm hoping VE is up for that talk. Unless he fucked off again. | ||
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Like you WoS sometimes doesn't see the dumb shit he says as dumb. We're all attached to our own stupidity and WoS has like 7 finished games under his belt not a single time as red. (He has two ongoing games though) he either has no experience or very little with how scum shots are actually directed. He is only a level above newbie so some of his ideas can and will be off base. What I'm saying is not admitting what he said was dumb doesn't look scummy to me. You have failed to convince me. | ||
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On December 03 2012 11:50 Promethelax wrote: Because VE has done something no townie VE would do. He has waited for others to make cases and made his own cases to sheep those. He also listens to the cases of the people he thinks are scum. (He had Hapa as scum but Hapa made a case on me so I was scum. I made a case on GK so VE made a case on GK). VE=Scum. On December 03 2012 12:01 Promethelax wrote: No, no no. You don't get it. A town VE would be direct and say lolol no idea whats going on dude over here seems scummy. It is the way he asks to be forgiven for not reading the thread and only makes easy cases on players who already have cases on them which says scum. If anyone makes me go through that game again for any reason I'm policy lynching them because that will be so much easier than reading that pile of shit. | ||
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And you left out the last (and least likely) option: oats is ????, OO is town. Scum wanted another day wasted on lynching OO since they have two night kills (pretty sure about this, Vivax shooting vayne makes sense) a no lynch into no discussion lynch of the player from day one s a benefit to them. | ||
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I'm interested in everyone's opinion on these four players. Gogo. | ||
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Why is Kush scum? If kush is scum who else is scum? | ||
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On May 17 2013 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Shiro is literally just following along with town sentiment. He hasn't done ANYTHING today - literally nothing but vote. But something about it. Like look at this post: Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is." UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD. ##Summon: Promethelax ##Summon: Blazinghand ##Summon: slOosh You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one. Your assessment matches mine. ## unvote I'm liking the Play from VE today and hiro scum slipped. Points to the first person to find it. ##vote: hiropro | ||
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##unvote ##vote: blazinghand Meta read based on bh being an insufferable ass when scum. I'm out of the thread until after deadline. Make this happen. | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:52 Blazinghand wrote: what kind of shit is that, you can't just drop a vote with no case then say you're gone till deadline so bh can be busy: On May 18 2013 10:55 Blazinghand wrote: you know exactly what I've been doing. 3 games 1 hosted game. plus its Friday night. I don't have to put up with your shit on NY bright off but I can't? I'm playing in two games (one just finished) hosting a game was just hosting a game which is over I work all weekedn but when I pop in for the little time I have it is scum motivated. Uh huh. So you'd rather I don't post my thoughts in the little time I have and let the lynch go away from the player I want lynched? I think not. On May 18 2013 08:55 Blazinghand wrote: I'm currently being flood-controlled but here are my thoughts: if Prom is really doing this and bailing without backup, no case, just a vote, and saying he's gone till deadline, that's a clear scum move. I suggest we vote him. His play this game has been bullshit. ##unvote ##vote promethelax interesting, you didn't have anything to say about me before this. Literally I have only appeared in your filter before this as a person you are replying to. So lets dive into the 'bullshit' my play has been. Or should we look into a trolly over compensating scum BH? The one with the post hoc rationalizations for calling prp scummy. On May 18 2013 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm a little salty at Prom for dumping this in my lap...I just wanted to lynch Hiro. I JUST WANTED TO LYNCH HIROPRO!! We're having words when he returns, me and that guy. BET. Word me bro. word me. Sloosh is scum, hasn't cared about a lynch before but now we're in what scum probably thought was mylo he chainsaw defends BH and pushes through hiro lynch. Sorry I wasn't here to make this lynch land on scum. Assuming the game doesn't end tonight lynch into bh/sloosh tomorrow. If I'm alive I'll lead you on this road. Sloosh, bh both scum. If viggies exist hit here. And to answer my own question: no one. | ||
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On May 18 2013 14:58 Ace wrote: Day 2 wagons ObviousOne[L-7]: WaveofShadow[L-7]: Oatsmaster[L-7]: VisceraEyes[L-7]: HiroPro[Lynched]: kushmasta[L-7]: prplhz[L-7]: Blazinghand[L-2]: Promethelax[L-6]: Blazinghand, HiroPro, the Carnival Cruise Dancer (Vanilla Town) has been lynched! + Show Spoiler + Carnival Cruise Dancer (Vanilla Town) - Welcome to another wonderful adventure with Carnival Cruise lines where high fantasy meets the high seas! Instead of dancing for dollars like in your former line of work, you now dance for a more respectable and legit clientele on a different kind of high seas. You've made it to the big time performing on Carnival Cruise ships for more than a year. However, you never forget where you came from and you can sense the movement of shady individuals, the smell of used cheap cigars dipped in a glass of alcohol, and the familiar crinkle of dollar bill coming out of dingy pants pockets. Your senses prove right as it is announced some meanies are trying to take over the ship. That doesn't bother you as you're used to being man handled, but the thought of them not paying makes you angry. And not paying for pleasure is the only sin you know exists. Get them off the ship or you won't be dancing much longer. You win when all threats to the cruise passengers (Town) are eliminated. Good luck! Have fun! It is now Night 2. You have 24 hours to send in Night Actions. Night 2 will end Sunday, May 19 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) surely four votes puts a player at L-3 | ||
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On May 18 2013 20:12 Blazinghand wrote: based on the fact he didn't choose to hammer hiropro but stayed off the mislynch wagon? i think that depends on his rationale based on the fact that after having zero votes one day he (appears to) have two votes the next day. Not claiming that is tantamount to a scum claim. | ||
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BH, come back you scummy scum. I want you to tell me about my bulldhit play and how I'm obv scum but as soon as I say something you tell me it's a good catch and don't pressure me at all. VE, get back in here. There are scum to catch. Words to be had, etc. | ||
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On May 19 2013 09:18 slOosh wrote: Hey Prom, sick pre-flip association reads. You go AWOL last night, blame BH that he calls you out on it but then proceed to blame me for being late for day 1 lynch? You call me desperate scum that went for a gambit on mylo, even though as scum I would know the KP formula and be able to do basic math? You say I chainsaw defend BH even though the person pushing BH was VE and I didn't attack him, nor you in any way whatsoever? Q: If HiroPro was the wrong lynch, why didn't Prome say anything about it? A: He is scum that parked his vote somewhere else to avoid any responsibility, and now is trying to pin the blame of the flip based on the result, not on the analysis / justifications / reasoning. GG. Your desire for a perfect game was your downfall. oh look, bh was scum. You were chainsaw defending him. Suck a dick scum. On May 19 2013 04:38 kushm4sta wrote: just because I found the scum doesn't make me scum. Yes it does. It does a million percent. Scum team is bh, Kush, Sloosh, prp and SnB. [this is only true if busmaster is scum. He seems quite scummy though and he did vote bh and get defended by him. I need to look into Kush meta and vote analysis before I am totally sure of this though] On May 19 2013 18:11 VisceraEyes wrote: FUCK YEAH. ObviousOne - If we're going to find scum together, you do the facts and I'll do the feels. I've read the thread and here are my feels. Before we go all hasty mode and quicklynch prplhz, let us not forget that prplhz was the subject of BH's ire late in the day yesterday. I'd like to hear what prplhz has to say regarding yesterday's events and where he thinks scum are hiding. I still very much think he's scum, but I'm holding my vote for now. Prom still coming into the thread wanting to talk to people "of worth" is really starting to bother me. That kind of attitude is very unlike Prom from what I remember - we don't play together as often as I'd like. Also his read of slOosh is bad I think. slOosh is looking EXACTLY like he did in Nomination (which I have read TWICE during this game so far) and I've got a solid townread on slOosh. My experience with slOosh is a very lurky, afraid-type scum. Not what we're seeing here, and he's sounding very townie. I mentioned before reading Nomination twice. The other time was to look at Oatsmaster more thoroughly. I see the same semi-aggressive kinds of posts and I THIIIINK he's town. It definitely doesn't look like his only scum game listed in the TL Mafia Directory, but I think there's a more recent game I can look at? For scumOats? shirokami. His votes yesterday were bad. Literally none of them came with reasoning, or even comment. I had him as newbTown but fuck. Firetruck. I think scum now. strongandbig - I've actually been scum with strongandbig pretty memorably. We were scum together in ChronoTrigger, and he was barely playing at all. Here was his filter - it's only 6 pages and he died on Cycle 7. I haven't filtered strongandbig yet, but what I remember offhand is nothing like that filter. I'm leaning town on SnB. Kushm4sta..........gets a post all his very own. Intrigue These have been my feels. I'm filterdiving and available for questions. I guess I see where you are coming from on that, but no. When I have limited time I much prefer to hear from people who can use my time wisely. We'll play together more <3. Who do you have as scum with Shiro/Prp and why is shiro scum? Everything he does is too openly scummy and if Rayn really can read him like Rayn suggested I'll take that read over my own since objectively scummy players are so often just objectively scummy despite alignment (take a gander at Kush or Stutters for decent examples.) On May 19 2013 18:43 ObviousOne wrote: Yeah, okay, let's look at it this way: Prom has 2 scum games listed in his profile, one was a newbie game from ages ago and then there was LX which was random as fuck obviscummy. Take a gander at British Empire Mini II. He was town there, his early game features tons of short posts, very few large posts/mega-cases. Lots of willingness to discuss things. I don't get that bossy tone that we're seeing here in his posts from British; he's very handily demonstrating inquisitive/paranoid tendencies in British. Here he's assuming a commanding presence, but the counter-point to that is that his expected activity would not really support that playstyle for this particular game. I need to read his filter through-and-through here but that's one major difference I'm noticing that really can't be explained unless he's intentionally trying to be tough guy here and what's the town motivation for sounding like a bully? Here his posts feel less like a discussion and more like a dictatorship. He's driving but he's AFK. GHOST-RIDE THE WHIP! Does that jive with what you're feeling? Can't really do a meta analysis of his mafia play when he has two games ever and they are so far apart / different in nature. I can just point out what I see as not really feeling like his town play and guess as to whether or not that makes him scummy. Last thought for the moment, need to look at how he voted for BH, like that entire conversation in context of the thread, that's where the Swedish Fish are likely hiding. You may have read my recent mafia scum game, in it I played very aggressive and in your face. The reason for it in that game, and my more aggressive posting in this game, is that I couldn't have the level of thread interaction I want (there because the other players were never in the thread, here because I'm not). There is a third newbie mafia game in my profile too, not sure why none of you are looking at me for real, like, its colour coded and shit. Its much more similar to the LX scum game than it its to nmm XIX. I'm torn between annoyed and honoured that you think my scum game is good enough to be what I'm doing here. On May 19 2013 19:37 Oatsmaster wrote: kkkkkk We are not lynching WoS because? Because he is town. Its a pretty simple equation really. OO, bh is a bit of a prickenstein as either alignment, its his schtick. But as scum he plays up the prick and plays down the being useful. Go look at his town play in Liquid City or the more recent LX. The kid isn't so bad as to just fight people because of his ego, he uses that to hide in when he rolls scum. Me voting bh in the ~three seconds I was in the thread would be hilariously bad if I was scum. I didn't give reasons or attempt to make myself look good from a possible d3 flip since it was a lynch between bh and Hiro d2. I'm not voting until i get back from work and get to finish analyzing everything I want to look at. I like this prp/kush lynch dichotomy at the moment though. I'm sure at least one of the two is scum. Another player I'd like to look at is Oats, someone remind me to filter him when I get home, he seems different to how I'm used to him playing town and I need to see if ti matches his scum play. Son of a bitch won't even sheep me. | ||
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This is how today goes: we lynch either Oats or Sloosh. Both of whom are scum. My only point on a town Oats was my early belief that scum had two night hits and his suggestion of a vig for the second hit. Since based on how the NKs worked out (as Sloosh correctly pointed out) there is probably a serial killer and scum only have one NK which means that Oats' townslip was actually a scumslip. Why is sloosh scum? Well its because he is really easy to read as scum. If you need help because you are bad though look at his play this day: he is SK hunting not scum hunting. An sk lynch is the same as a town lynch for scum, probably even better since the SK needs to be shooting Scum right now as evidenced by the BH shot last night. Having the SK alive assuming that it is indeed an SK (KISS suggests it is) is way more beneficial to town than it is to scum. We get to lynch and Scum need to nk the SK since he is the only non-scum kp in the game (besides the flipped vivax). SnB: no, there is no reason for me to think you are scum, but I need to call Kush scum to be able to read him and that was my chance to do so. I said I liked the prp/kush lynch dichotomy earlier but I like it a lot less now. Kush seems really townie in these last few pages his appeals to me to claim serial killer and ally myself with town are a thing he would not suggest as scum. In case you guys decide to lynch me I'm posting a full reads list with reasons so that you can maaaaybe make this a win for us. Oatsmaster has played anti-twon the whole game, his activity is pathetic and his interest is minimal. Plus scumslip about n0 nk SloOsh lurky scum play, focused attack on me trying to pass off sk-hunting as pro town while avoiding scum hunting. Chainsaw defense of bh. VE less sure than I am on the above but his OO stuff early wasn't right and my meta case from Chrono still holds. VE hasn't added anything to the game that he should as a townie. This is either VE's scumgame or the single worst town game I have ever seen from him. Shiro he was such an idiot early on that I had him as town, Rayn had a similar read. If we assume Rayn was the scum shot though that might have been to cover Shiro from someone who knew him. I wouldn't lynch him yet but I'm damn sure that I don't want him in lylo if it is at all avoidable. OO I do like his d2 play. BH's retard push on him for martyring also suggests that he is town. Of the three guys in this null column he is the one I think would have the skill to fool me as scum though. For the moment not really worth calling scum but he'll need to be looked at again as the game goes on. prp My heuristic with prp early game tells me he is town, his play hasn't done anything for me since that and he certainly could be scum. I find it somewhat unlikely though. Me[/me] WoS seriously the towniest mother fucker in the world. Kush his play today, he is actually interested in killing scum and winning game for town. Asking sk to claim is a very townie thing for kush to do. [b]Grush I believe in STARSENSES For the purposes of the above list I treated this game as anti-scum/scum since the SK is on our side for now. I'm not to worried about him as town is so far behind right now (5-4-1) that he is shooting scum for a while and because of that scum HAVE to shoot him or push through a lynch on him. I say we lynch scum today and make scum waste their kp on sk so we can win this game. ##Vote: Oatsmaster you are all welcome to sheep me now. If scum seriously think I am the sk it probably means they shot me last night and I was protected from their nk, that would explain the retard push on me today. I'll probably get hit next night since they are so sure I'm sk so after I flip remember this post and come back and read it. I'd like you all to pull out the win for us kthx. | ||
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SnB I like his play a lot and his all game tunnel of Oats seems good. I'm also pretty sure scum will have to night kill him eventually because along with me and prp he is one of the few players who I'm not sure are scum who have the skill to win the game on their own for town. He maaaaaaay have been master bussing Oats but I don't think so. Towniest of my nulls. | ||
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On May 21 2013 02:47 kushm4sta wrote: prome what do you mean they shot you and you were protected? any indication of that happening via pm? you think you were jked or what? I wasn't informed of anything so I was not JK'd. But the bum rush at me as SK from scum today suggests to me that scum shot me last night and seeing me not die went all out today. I have no proof of this but basic analysis suggest that this was the case. | ||
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Remember earlier when you said I was either brilliant or scum? If you believe that I was good enough to read you like a book assume that I can read thread progression after a scum nk goes missing in a game with a probable sk. You saying that is like someone from Mafia Scum saying 'why lynch day one when no power roles have gotten any information for us, there is nothing to back up a day one lynch' sure that is technically true but it isn't hard to think it though and figure out who is scum. Or in this case to figure out who was shot. | ||
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Do you disagree with my analysis that scum probably shot me last night? You still think oats is scummiest? If not who and why? WoS/kush: you are both still here, I'd like to hear from you on my reads list and your opinions on them since I believe you are both town I'd rather like to have some conversations with you about my null list. I want to find the last scum and after that I'll go looking for sk. | ||
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If I'm right about Sloosh/Oats/VE SnB is the only one of your guys to post a case on scum and ksuh did say that sloosh was scum very successfully. Grush has been so useless I forgot he was playing until I went back to the player list to see who i was missing. My towniest reads are some useless fucks. yes, I am just bitching. deal with it. Come back and talk to me. | ||
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My reads have been all over this game, its true, and that is my own fault. I haven't had the time to put into this game and I haven't been able to get my thoughts as straight as I wanted to. Yes, calling you (SnB) scum was goading kush. Go read hydra: nuke I did a similar thing with goading Kush (though it was simply in calling him scum) since he is the busmaster the only way to call him scum is to call his scumspects scum too. You are right about the VE push on BH though, fuck. Though scum was super ahead at that point, they knew all three mod kills were town, they knew that they had all their members left alive. I think they'd go for a bit of distancing in case one of them ended up dead (which happened) and who was going to push bh over the edge? me? I'm never here on weekends. You? You are all up in Oats' grill. If VE and Sloosh are both scum there is no townie outside of me and you on a good day who could actually get the sheep in line for a bh lynch. Focus on me all you want. I haven't played a brilliant game but I think its pretty clear that its my town game. As to your arguments about keeping sk alive vs lynching him: yes we should lynch sk over town but we need to lynch scum over sk. Our position is pretty crap if we lynch sk 5-4 after scum NK assuming no hero protect. Four lylos in a row seems pretty impossible. I still think keeping him alive is better than lynching him. We can lynch sloosh or Oats for confirmed scum lynch. VE is likely scum as well but we'll have a few days to work it out. I said this already but I'll say it again. Scum think I am the SK. Scum will shoot me tonight. Don't do their work for them. If we lynch scum they HAVE to shoot me if they think I'm the SK. I'll be dead and it'll be fine, the sk will still be shooting sccum and we'll lynch scum instead of me and for your peace of mind I'll still be dead and flippy flipped. oats is scum. I know him quite well. we talk a lot. As I said earlier I can't read him on meta anymore (RED team's prize proved this beyond a doubt) but I think his play here is super scummy as I said early on the only thing puttin ghim in my town column was his 'townslip' since it seems pretty clear that there is an sk and scum has only one kp that was instead a scumslip. His town play is characterized by insistent questioning, attempts to buddy, sheeping and playfulness. This game doesn't have the playfulness I'd expect from a town Oats, his interest in this game has dipped well below town levels, his activity is slipping which it doesn't do until endgame in his town games. I like his lynch, I think he is scum. I would also be willing to lynch sloosh who has NOT scum hunted this entire game. No one else is a candidate for me today. | ||
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On May 21 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Prom your list seems off to me. First of all, you're sure of Oats despite what I said about the voting patterns? It may be one of the only things he has going for him but it's pretty strong imo. I also don't see how you can call his interest minimal. Second, you're sure about Kush? Simply the fact that I want to lynch him less this game now that he's doing shit makes me almost want to lynch him MORE, in that it's not very kush-like. lol I missed this, sorry WoS. I'm pretty damn sure about Kush yes. If he is scum wait for a few more flips, if he is right about a lot kill him. As to Oats I do not think the voting patterns show a townie Oats, there is something going on with the votesteal but I still think it likely that Oats is scum. Sure the vote was stolen and put on a townie but why steal Oats' vote? Why wasn't Oats curious about his vote being stolen? Why wasn't OO lynched by scum? A lot of questions. A lot less questions if Oats is scum. | ||
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I look forward to your ability to engage in big paragraphs. But they aren't necessary. Your thoughts are all I need. | ||
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Help me find the last scum before you kill me so that we can pull off this win (assuming sk is nice enough to kill scum for us tonight). if you are going to lynch me all I ask is that you work with me to find scum. I don't see why you are so reluctant to do so. | ||
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I'd like you all in here so we can find scum. I'm rereading filters. If any of you quickhammer me I'll find and murder you irl. If you still want to lynch me at deadline go for it. But help me use this day productively to find scum. I'm out for a while. When I come back I'm going to work through VE to confirm my read (hopefully) and SnB to put him solidly in one camp or the other. My next priority will be OO. Feel free to go read those players and make your own conclusions, you should keep your thoughts to yourself until I come back. See if I see in them what you see when I post my reads on them. See if I am sharing your mindset, that is your best bet on seeing if you think I am town or scum or sk or what. I seriously don't understand SnB's suggestion that I am sk and should be lynched today. That suggests he wants a 5-4 come day time which is just bad. SK has to be shooting for scum tonight. SnB suggests that SK might want to just shoot town and handle scum. If that is true we go into d3 either at 3-4-1 or 4-3-1 (depending on where the lynch lands). Neither of those are advantageous to SK as far as I can tell since in the first scum could all vote for whoever they want and town could not contest it. In the second SK would be in a better position if it was 5-2-1 since he can be assured of scum shooting townies (or shooting him). I've been trying to work this out since a lot of my scum reads are precluded on the idea that lynching SK is anti-town today. I'm pretty sure lynching SK is anti-town though and that we need to lynch scum today. | ||
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On May 27 2013 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I want to explain my BH push when I get to a computer. Anyone familiar with my play should be able to see I never had any intension of getting him lynched. It was strictly a PR move and as Ace will tell you, a fairly transparent one. I thought so. | ||
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I realize I was the only player left who saw that but I really think OO, with his intimate knowledge of you VE, should have been able to discern that and assuming he wouldn't recognize it was quite a gamble. Though one that, in the end, payed off. | ||
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It's funny, I feel really good about my reads this game (besides the Kush one, but more power to him. I've never seen him give so many fucks as town) and think that if I had been town i would have been a top priority night kill and would have lynched a few scum. Playing as sk is really different though, I've never had to try so hard to NOT look townie. There were times I'd leave the thread for pages and pages so people would forget their town reads on me and I pushed stuff I thought was dumb to try to convince mafia I was no threat (like the DP thing, holy fuck was he obviously town). | ||
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VE is one smart cookie, he new I was setting a trap and wasn't reading him as town. He was just wrong about the target of my trap. I'd had VE as scum from d1 and wanted to confirm bh as scum to myself, when VE pushed him the way he did it became very clear that VE had no desire to see him die. If it had been up to me VE would have been the d2 lynch since he was the most obvious of the scum. I was deeply confused how Kush and OO had him as town in the endgame. It was sad finally being the guy who caught all of the scums and not being town so no one went to look at my posts and kill the scum. I will however find eternal joy from this game since Marv and I disagreed on shiro's alignment when we were talking after my lynch and I was right. | ||
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