Carnival Cruise Mafia

On May 11 2013 10:24 chaoser wrote:


hey kita, hows it going lol, who still plays

On May 13 2013 04:14 prplhz wrote:
@HiroPro Self-aware millers should generally always claim as first thing d1 (n0) so we don't have Cops checking into people we know will show scum and so we don't allow scum the excuse of "Oh, but I'm a miller" if we get a guilty check on them.

@ObviousOne Are you serious?

On May 13 2013 05:47 chaoser wrote:
Promethelax, what do you think about obviousone? if the lynch was going to happen right now and you had total control over it, who do you think would be the best lynch and why? DP?

can you explain why you said



what was the purpose of that statement?

On May 13 2013 06:02 DarthPunk wrote:


I would also like an answer on how the fuck you have a town read on everyone so far? because that sort of shit screams scum to me.

On May 13 2013 06:14 DarthPunk wrote:
I kind of feel good about all this talking in a way. Bypassed the policy talk, although prome still want to policy lynch me.

On May 13 2013 06:14 ObviousOne wrote:

Lol so you just walked into that one. You cherry picked the part of my post I added for you to cherry pick and didn't bother to refute the rest. Scum or 3P, guys. You heard it here first.

On May 13 2013 07:17 ObviousOne wrote:

Lol dismissing that specific thing by calling it meta is pretty funny. You assume I am a new or bad player instead of reading my profile which is kept up to date for my own convenience to refer to. You disregard my invitation to understand me better. You are not interested in figuring out my alignment because you either know or don't care. Scum or lazy town, either way I wish death upon you at our earliest convenience.

Bee Tee Dubz: The word you were looking for is 'policy'.

On May 13 2013 07:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
DP claimed miller eh?

I tend to agree with OO for now - ignore the claim and hunt for scum. You either believe his claim or you don't, because you know for a fact that a DT check on him WILL return "guilty" (because he's either town and telling the truth or scum). So let him do what he's going to do up until lynch time. If he's the scummiest dude, lynch him. EZPZ.

Promethelax weakly supporting a policy lynch of DP is the scummiest thing in the thread imo. Like check out his language. "In a vacuum that's scummy", "we can figure it out" and "good candidate for policy lynch". Barely an opinion of his own at all in the whole thing. Am watching carefully.

Am watching carefully.

On May 13 2013 09:30 shirokami wrote:
pretty much that, now we come ask ourselves, was that claim even worth it? it was pretty much +-0

On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia

On May 13 2013 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
third party or inept vig that is the question.

Anyhow kita's filter just brings up a few suspicions towards me, darth, WoS, and prplhz.

I am also suspicious of prplhz and anyone else in this thread that went out of their way to communicate with kita.

On May 13 2013 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why would mafia shoot DP other than the fact that he is actually good at mafia [small]unlike you [small]? He is under a decent amount of pressure and could sidetrack town for a significant portion of d1 possibly. There are better shots IMO.

Prome please come and make yourself confirmed town. Game would be a lot easier that way.

On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.

Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.

On May 13 2013 14:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im not gonna go through everyones filter so far since this thread is already huge, but as I said any interaction where some one goes out of their way to talk to kita. for example, prplhz saying hi to him when not addressed at all.

It makes them scummy, in my opinion, because kita died tonight. Got dat kita on your mind, whos gonna pop in your head when your thinking who to night kill?

On May 13 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote:

I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that.

On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.

On May 13 2013 16:04 Vivax wrote:
There's another scummy dude I have in mind but I'll wait to see what he does today.

On May 13 2013 16:33 Vivax wrote:
Ah I misread the stuff.

Comments on Rayn please? That post by him wasn't the only scummy thing but I don't want to write a complete case, I'm lazy atm.

On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:


I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?

And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that.

On May 13 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well everyone who has posted so far besides you are probably town. I'm off to bed, cya tomorrow.

On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also.

OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.

Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.

Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO???

On May 13 2013 16:45 Vivax wrote:


OO I think is town for early activity and cause he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about his image. I put him into that spot pretty early and I have other fish to fry.

I'm not sure about WoS, but he never rolled scum and seems pretty cheerful this game. I'd expect him to not be able to not give a fuck so easily in his first game as scum, I wish that he started doing some analysis soon, N0 is over.

These two aren't really subject of interest.

On May 13 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:

No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1.
I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP?

On May 13 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote:

I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that.

On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.

On November 15 2011 19:17 prplhz wrote:
I think any policy lynch is stupid, and LAW (lynch-all-wherebugsgos) is one of the more stupid policies to lynch by. You want to just lock down the lynch on him without any discussion? Then how are we supposed to catch scum? If we lynch him based on nothing (he hasn't posted in the thread yet) then there's like 22% chance that he will be scum. That means that you want to sacrifice the following:

1 cycle of discussion
1 townie from NK

... in exchange for the following:

22% chance to hit a scum, a whopping 78% chance to hit a townie.

Tell me why you think this is a good deal? I am quite aware that Palmar is just trying to make discussion, so am I, now lets discuss.

On May 13 2013 20:04 chaoser wrote:
leaving for work, but before I do,
##Vote raynpelikoneet

On May 13 2013 21:30 kushm4sta wrote:
I think OO is town because he is being very active and very aggressive. That's not his scum style.
Also he is saying some profoundly retarded things. Like about how DP might be godfather... just seems more townie to say dumb shit like that.

On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow

On May 13 2013 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Still in the middle of catching up, but Prom the fact that you're meta-ing me based on what, 2-3 games we've played is laughable. Go check out some of my more recent games if you think I'm still afraid to be confrontational. In any case I like your read on OO as I see it right now, especially considering that I assumed DP was town from his claim right at the start. I'm also impressed by your mentioning of LXI re:Vivax since as you are aware, I am unable to yet. Continuing read. Mayhaps one day I can be included in a list of not-bad players too.

On May 14 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote:


The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita

On May 14 2013 01:17 slOosh wrote:
Hey Prom, why would OO as scum give out the NK explanation?

On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.

On May 14 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote:


Vivax, this is WoS's reasoning for killing DP. He was one of two players who suggested a reason to kill DP immediately after the day post.

Chaoser, you were asking about why it mattered to me that Oats called the DP shot a vig shit. I am working off the assumption that both night kills were scum directed and Oats' post felt genuine, if I believe that his first assumption was that DP had been vigged that precludes the possibility of Oats scum. Oats' play aside from that is quite possibly scum play but as I have recenly taken a hit to my confidence when it comes to reading Oats I'll stick with the town tell and put him on the townie side of null.

On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.

On May 15 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote:

Im lazy.

dont want to play.

At the moment though, ummm VE totes scum cause he hasnt posted a shitton.
Rayn too Im suspicious of.

Everyone else that has more than 2 pages of filter is town for now.

On May 15 2013 01:00 kushm4sta wrote:

Not sure what to think of other people because I haven't filtered anyone else.
scums are more likely to panic.
Panicking is indicated by posting frequency and emotionality.

On May 15 2013 06:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
what are the chances of there being a fool in this game with so many self voters? or is that just a thing on this forum?

On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:


and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point.

On May 15 2013 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement.

On May 15 2013 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's in my profile bra.

On May 15 2013 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai guise.
Vayne don't let elitist attitudes get you down, this is TL. You may want to watch the blatant insults though; that kind of thing will definitely get you banned depending on the host. I seem to recall you being similarly abrasive on the LoL subforum though I'm not sure why I remember that.

For the record I'm fairly sure you're town and don't feel comfortable voting for you today. If you find people are calling you bad based on your playstyle and it gets you lynched, whether here or elsewhere, it probably means you should change it to fit the area (or people) you're playing with since lynching/getting lynched is a population-dependent process. It doesn't necessarily mean your play is objectively bad.

Aaaaaaanyway, gonna read into OO I guess? Any other suggestions? I think I remember calling prplhz town; I'll recheck that too.

On May 15 2013 09:57 ObviousOne wrote:

I will attempt to read your posts in a Donald Duck voice in my head. That may help, I guess.

Everyone else: Please give thoughts on the people who Prom listed as those are pretty much the same interests as I have.

On May 15 2013 10:02 Blazinghand wrote:


After The Game I'm sure he already has

On May 15 2013 10:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

Well, 2 things.

1) Vayne's rage reminds me eerily of Tunkeg/Mocsta/insert-butthurt-newb-townie-here. Before he was just kinda laughing my suspicion away, and now he's raging at you, his defender.
2) I came to realize that my read of OO might be biased. I just read his filter with your "consolidated case" in mind (thx btdubz) and frankly I'm not AS confident in my townread as I was before. I still think he's town, but it's been downgraded to "leaning town".

Because you seem almost certain of yours, I'm willing to consolidate on your target.

On May 15 2013 09:09 Promethelax wrote:
Kinda case thing on OO (fuck you VE, I hate writing cases):

1. Early defensiveness brought up by DP (not a thing I think is a huge tell but it is different from his usual town game)
2. Eagerly explains a reason for the nightkill which no one had thought of in thread previously (I think this is a strong tell, others clearly disagree with me, Chaoser in particular)
3. Martyring and promises for future contribution at the same time (Martyring is policy lynch. Martyrig while saying "if you leave me alive I'll be useful I promise" is a scum tell since he is begging to be left alive his martyring is false. False martyring comes from scum).

My only major problem with my lynch on him is actually the wagon which has formed behind me. Hiro's vote felt eh and Rayn's only felt a little better. BH is only there for policy. The discussion has all been around WoS/Oats and I was waiting for him to come back to the thread for me to really push him since pushing afk players is both boring and somewhat useless. We have four hours though, lets discuss him now.

On May 15 2013 10:26 Promethelax wrote:


Tunkeg is the perfect example of this play. Fuck, why didn't I think of that.

I think Vayne can be read as town from his actions in this game by the way. Attacking his defender the way he has seems genuine, if he was scum he'd want someone he knows is town defending him and try to play me AND the whole time he'd be laughing 'cause while I'm calling him bad I also have a backwards read on him. He wouldn't be angry. He'd be superior.
I think that is a very important point. Hence the bold.

What about that case (welcome) convinces you? What things did you see in OO that are scummy which are not in my case?

On May 16 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote:
Up to the bottom of 58, computer dying and switching to tablet. Sorry for wall o text. Please read.
Reevaluating all reads and Catching up:

I really hate how Hiro plays, I'm not sure if that is alignment indicative though and Hiro isn't bad when town. A d1 no-lynch punches me in the soul though.

UPDATE (OO reminded me) vayne's Newbie game is now over. The reason I feel he is town on his posting here is that his scum hunting techniques (bad though they are) remain consistent from that game to this one. His thought process here reflects his newbie game in which he was TOWN since I don't believe he is a strong enough player to replicate his town thought process as sccum that means he is probably TOWN here too. VE, look at this and provide your thoughts please and thanks.

OO's many posts after my last one look a lot better than what came before. The effort he is putting in look like a townie OO and depending on how he follows them up as I continue reading I'd say I lean town on him now. If OO proves town I'm concerned about a scum VE as Viscera should be way better than me at reading OO and had him as a town read but recinded that to follow me and vote him.
I would call these two opposite alignments I think with a small possibility of both town but zero possibility OO scum/VE town.

Vivax looks good in these posts (still page 55) don't think he would call a no-lynch a fail vote as scum. He'd probably fuck off and laugh. Also his comment about the Katina picture makes me laugh (dude, can't you tell that is a girl and not me? I'm way more manly than that) and making me laugh is a plus one in my book.

Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunately its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise.
Still think Rayn is town though, he looks good and what he has done in the time he has been in the thread has ben good so I don't really care about how active he is, he is one of the few new guys I expecct to be active as both alignments so his lowered activity just doesn't bother me.

OO points out the VE problem with town read into vote. I like this, he is thinking critically, I just wish it was about more than people going after him.
Follows it up with suspicion on SnB. Never mind, OO is probably town. He doesn't have it in him to do this as scum. SO much reread and rethink going on here. I don't think I agree with SnB scum but I'll have to reread after catching up.

Rayn has good thoughts on SnB, pushes him (the slot machine) further into town category. He is approaching things the right way. I have to go reread Oats depending on NK numbers, not as sure about him=town based town tell as I was and if NKs don't match up he is a real possibility for scum.

I'm pretty sure Kush is town. Which is too bad. Ah well, if he pushes scum lynches for a while we vig/shoot him since that means he is scum but for now I'll take him as town based on his first post on pg 56. Too lazy to go into it. If you want the meta read ask.

Have no idea what Oats is saying here, still an idiot (<3) but yeah...reread this motherfucker. Need to look into this vote stealer thing, may also be a scum power where he gives up his vote in return for something else? No hidden vote appeared on anyone and so 'stolen' doesn't work. OATS: what was the phrasing of the PM? was your vote stolen? Or removed or what?

lol Shiro, this kid should still be in newbies. Mafia is a game of "words against words". Rayn, I'd love some insight on this kid. You've played with him, gimme a rundown of how he thinks.

Sloosh is a player I haven't even noticed yet. Not a good sign from a player whom I respect. Added to reread list. I like his posts on 56 though so this might be his new inactive town meta. I'll look again. I do like his post about Rayn/OO, a lot. Kid can think. Town side of null on first read.

OO brings up Vayne's play conflicting with his 'logical townie' playstyle. My impression is that Vayne thinks of himself as logical and not emotional not that he is actually logical instead of emotional. We only get this 'logical' idea from Vayne himself. And based on his hissy fit he clearly thinks of himself as better than he is.

OO again with the good thoughts on SLoosh (pg 57), I don't like to be wrong d1 but I think I was. Also "farting into the wind" is hilarious. As he says, Sloosh's play is big words, which is usually town sloosh, but that does need to be backed up.

Vayne is so mad. Can someone give him a handie or something to shut him up and get him to pay attention. k thx. (still town
though).

I want to see this SnB/OO tiff play out. SnB, what do you think about the oats vote steal and what did occur if he is scum. I doubt a townie would use votesteal d1 since d1 wagons are a big part of how one analyses the game and taking away a vote from scum is awful.

Both OO and SnB want more from Shiro, don't we all.

SnB bringing up Chaoser is +1 in my book, where the hell is that guy? VE never followed up on me asking about him (though neither did I). VE, BH, prp and SnB (and maaaaybe hiro?)you guys have been around long enough to know Chaoser, I'd love some insight.


WTF Vayne with the VE is scum, VE/Prom will get shot tonight. Sure thing, buddy sure thing.

bh, why you pop up to talk about how cool you are and not say anything useful? WoS still confirmed scum? Y/N.

Vivax picks up on the Vayne idiocy from above. Good man. I think Vivax is town (and I hope to hell I'm right since if I am this will be my first ever right read on Vivax, go me!).

Pg 58 Oh, so VE is suspicious if he lives through the night, eh Vayne? What about me? Why am I not? Or am I misreading your post?

Vivax calls him/bh as nk. Note taken. Viv on WoS like butter on bread. He thinks WoS is only scum under pressure though, so OO/Oats are town? Gotta check if this matches his earlier reads.

Rayn attacking Vivax while probably wrong is good sign, if Viv is town he can be quite the fighter and insighting him as scum = terrible idea.

VE with the appology post. Gotta relook at chrono for my meta case on him. Doesn't look all that similar though night =/= day.

Hiro with the shit talk but no contribution on BH. That isn't how I think of Hiro's town game. Didn't he say in ACME obs that I was as bad as kush since I hadn't cought scum. Catching scum is everything to him and he doesn't seem fussed about it. Likely scum. Needs a reread.

I don't fit into either catagory of WoS detractors or WoS knob gobblers. I am champion! WoS, you gotta talk to me about why you have such a you boner and what you actually think about this shit? Why say bh will get NK'd? didn't you say scum love to tunnel/push you? Don't like this from WoS at all

On May 16 2013 23:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

computer illiterate huh. The preview button not working?

On May 17 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
I like how half your post is about dead people


Where?

Also, my vote was stolen, and there was an anonymous vote on Hiro if im not mistaken. So yeah im totally confirmed town now.

On May 16 2013 12:22 slOosh wrote:
Also, if you choose to use [REDACTED], whatever that means, please support it with something else within the thread.

On May 15 2013 16:53 ObviousOne wrote:

Rayn do you need me to explain why I would say that? You will be around less time = you will ask fewer, but perhaps more poignant questions and I'm used to seeing you questioning just about everything as town. I wasn't seeing that ultra-inquisitive Rayn I'm used to seeing, and your retro-active explanation for not being around to question everything as it's happening changed how I felt from you being potentially scum to null for that reason. Kinda late to be responding to this but I have my mojo back so I'm hitting up everything in the thread as I re-read, so whatevs, there you go.

On May 17 2013 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote:

Because of reasons.
Vivax flipped Vigi. Vigi's usually shoot early. Vayne is perfect vigi shot.

Vayne is sucky any other alignment shot.

On May 17 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:

Totes qtpie. <3

Um.
I dont see it in your mega post, much about VE and his read on OO and behavior surrounding it. I would love to lynch me a vet though, make it happen

On May 17 2013 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote:

Um. Yeah. you can say all these. But I wanna see,
STRONG TOWN READ ON PLAYER
LIMP DICKING WAGON SHEEPING
PROME HIS SHEPERD.

like quotes and such.
Sure that sounds real scummy, but you could just be making it up.

On May 17 2013 02:17 WaveofShadow wrote:

Both you and Hiro.
And where the fuck is chaoser?

On December 03 2012 11:50 Promethelax wrote:


Because VE has done something no townie VE would do. He has waited for others to make cases and made his own cases to sheep those. He also listens to the cases of the people he thinks are scum. (He had Hapa as scum but Hapa made a case on me so I was scum. I made a case on GK so VE made a case on GK). VE=Scum.

On December 03 2012 12:01 Promethelax wrote:
No, no no. You don't get it. A town VE would be direct and say lolol no idea whats going on dude over here seems scummy. It is the way he asks to be forgiven for not reading the thread and only makes easy cases on players who already have cases on them which says scum.

On May 17 2013 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Shiro is literally just following along with town sentiment. He hasn't done ANYTHING today - literally nothing but vote.

But something about it. Like look at this post:

Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is."

UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD.

##Summon: Promethelax
##Summon: Blazinghand
##Summon: slOosh

You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one.

On May 18 2013 08:52 Blazinghand wrote:
what kind of shit is that, you can't just drop a vote with no case then say you're gone till deadline

On May 18 2013 10:55 Blazinghand wrote:
you know exactly what I've been doing. 3 games 1 hosted game. plus its Friday night. I don't have to put up with your shit on NY bright off

On May 18 2013 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm currently being flood-controlled but here are my thoughts: if Prom is really doing this and bailing without backup, no case, just a vote, and saying he's gone till deadline, that's a clear scum move. I suggest we vote him. His play this game has been bullshit.

##unvote
##vote promethelax

On May 18 2013 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm a little salty at Prom for dumping this in my lap...I just wanted to lynch Hiro. I JUST WANTED TO LYNCH HIROPRO!!

We're having words when he returns, me and that guy. BET.

On May 18 2013 20:12 Blazinghand wrote:
based on the fact he didn't choose to hammer hiropro but stayed off the mislynch wagon? i think that depends on his rationale

On May 19 2013 09:18 slOosh wrote:

Hey Prom, sick pre-flip association reads.

You go AWOL last night, blame BH that he calls you out on it but then proceed to blame me for being late for day 1 lynch?

You call me desperate scum that went for a gambit on mylo, even though as scum I would know the KP formula and be able to do basic math?

You say I chainsaw defend BH even though the person pushing BH was VE and I didn't attack him, nor you in any way whatsoever?


Q: If HiroPro was the wrong lynch, why didn't Prome say anything about it?
A: He is scum that parked his vote somewhere else to avoid any responsibility, and now is trying to pin the blame of the flip based on the result, not on the analysis / justifications / reasoning.

GG. Your desire for a perfect game was your downfall.

On May 19 2013 04:38 kushm4sta wrote:

just because I found the scum doesn't make me scum.

On May 19 2013 18:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
FUCK YEAH.

ObviousOne - If we're going to find scum together, you do the facts and I'll do the feels. I've read the thread and here are my feels.

Before we go all hasty mode and quicklynch prplhz, let us not forget that prplhz was the subject of BH's ire late in the day yesterday. I'd like to hear what prplhz has to say regarding yesterday's events and where he thinks scum are hiding. I still very much think he's scum, but I'm holding my vote for now.

Prom still coming into the thread wanting to talk to people "of worth" is really starting to bother me. That kind of attitude is very unlike Prom from what I remember - we don't play together as often as I'd like. Also his read of slOosh is bad I think. slOosh is looking EXACTLY like he did in Nomination (which I have read TWICE during this game so far) and I've got a solid townread on slOosh. My experience with slOosh is a very lurky, afraid-type scum. Not what we're seeing here, and he's sounding very townie.

I mentioned before reading Nomination twice. The other time was to look at Oatsmaster more thoroughly. I see the same semi-aggressive kinds of posts and I THIIIINK he's town. It definitely doesn't look like his only scum game listed in the TL Mafia Directory, but I think there's a more recent game I can look at? For scumOats?

shirokami. His votes yesterday were bad. Literally none of them came with reasoning, or even comment. I had him as newbTown but fuck. Firetruck. I think scum now.

strongandbig - I've actually been scum with strongandbig pretty memorably. We were scum together in ChronoTrigger, and he was barely playing at all. Here was his filter - it's only 6 pages and he died on Cycle 7. I haven't filtered strongandbig yet, but what I remember offhand is nothing like that filter. I'm leaning town on SnB.

Kushm4sta..........gets a post all his very own. Intrigue

These have been my feels. I'm filterdiving and available for questions.

On May 19 2013 18:43 ObviousOne wrote:

Yeah, okay, let's look at it this way: Prom has 2 scum games listed in his profile, one was a newbie game from ages ago and then there was LX which was random as fuck obviscummy. Take a gander at British Empire Mini II. He was town there, his early game features tons of short posts, very few large posts/mega-cases. Lots of willingness to discuss things. I don't get that bossy tone that we're seeing here in his posts from British; he's very handily demonstrating inquisitive/paranoid tendencies in British. Here he's assuming a commanding presence, but the counter-point to that is that his expected activity would not really support that playstyle for this particular game. I need to read his filter through-and-through here but that's one major difference I'm noticing that really can't be explained unless he's intentionally trying to be tough guy here and what's the town motivation for sounding like a bully? Here his posts feel less like a discussion and more like a dictatorship. He's driving but he's AFK. GHOST-RIDE THE WHIP!

Does that jive with what you're feeling?

Can't really do a meta analysis of his mafia play when he has two games ever and they are so far apart / different in nature. I can just point out what I see as not really feeling like his town play and guess as to whether or not that makes him scummy.

Last thought for the moment, need to look at how he voted for BH, like that entire conversation in context of the thread, that's where the Swedish Fish are likely hiding.

On May 19 2013 19:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
kkkkkk
We are not lynching WoS because?

On May 21 2013 02:47 kushm4sta wrote:
prome what do you mean they shot you and you were protected?
any indication of that happening via pm? you think you were jked or what?

On May 21 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Prom your list seems off to me. First of all, you're sure of Oats despite what I said about the voting patterns? It may be one of the only things he has going for him but it's pretty strong imo. I also don't see how you can call his interest minimal.
Second, you're sure about Kush? Simply the fact that I want to lynch him less this game now that he's doing shit makes me almost want to lynch him MORE, in that it's not very kush-like.

On May 27 2013 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I want to explain my BH push when I get to a computer. Anyone familiar with my play should be able to see I never had any intension of getting him lynched. It was strictly a PR move and as Ace will tell you, a fairly transparent one.