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Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Mo- loch! Moloch the heavy judger of men! Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments! Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb! Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose smokestacks and antennae crown the cities! Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind! #Unvote #Vote: Moloch | ||
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##Vote: Rainbows for not eating pizza | ||
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but anyway. let's get everyone in on this. it's just the 4 of us right now. | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote: So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows. The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even. Yea I'm worried about rainbows too, and that's why I haven't taken my vote off him even though I initially did it as a joke. I'm hoping the Euros pick out some interesting tid bits overnight, something I may have missed, so I can change my vote to someone who is actually a skinny. I think Rainbows only looks suspicious because he's been posting a lot, which isn't exactly the best. @Obzy, yea lurkers should probably be lynched eventually. Probably not right now, but we shouldn't let them get free bys. | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:19 Obzy wrote: Hm. Here's a question for everyone - What are your thoughts on giving out townreads? Something I did a lot of in the previous game was looking at everyone's opinions of each other - like, if person A considers person B town, and so does C, D, E, F - and nobody considers them mafia, I marked it as being a "safe townread for the town." wut Let's jump on the bandwagon! Everyone else says so! They can't be lying or pretending to be town! Persons A and B can't possibly be two scums holding hands, and fooling CDEF into joining. Unless you know someone isn't a skinny, don't trust him. This line of thinking is only going to let the scum herd you. | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:30 jampidampi wrote: Scum has an easy time giving out townreads, they know who are town. On the other scum have a hard time giving out scumreads, because they are either killing their comrades or they know they are wrong, which makes it hard for them to sound that they really believe the person is scum. You can give out townreads, but if you don't hunt scum I'm going to smack you a lot with the baton of justice. Fishgle, does your post mean that you are going to sleep? Your posts so far have all been reagrding Rainbows. Any other opinions? yea, it's almost midnight here, i'm heading to bed. I've also got an eye on Moloch, but not enough to make an argument against him yet. | ||
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@Warent: You joined in much later than anyone else, and yet, you still choose to call out Rainbows? Doesn't anyone else stand as needing some scrutinizing? I mean, you can vote for and question rainbows and still investigating others. @Smancer, of everyone, I think your posts have been the most useful. Your points on jrkirby especially. He hasn't contributed much. And then he makes this post: There's actually someone else I've got my eye on now, but he hasn't shown any real evidence, it's just a hunch. how is that helpful at all? Either tell us who you're suspecting or i'll just assume you're lying. You've just been sitting back and mostly talking when people call you out.I too want to see some discussion about jampidampi. He's been jumping in and out, questioning people, but not really providing any opinions. Rather noncommital. Not only that, but he himself states people should be actively scumhunting, and doesn't do it himself. I don't like it. My scum reads at the moment are: jampidampi, jrkirby, and warent ##Unvote: Rainbows | ||
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##Unvote just wanted to point out that i'm not that suspicious of rainbows anymore. It's still a possibility that he's scum, of course, but i think most of the leads on him were badly reasoned, and he has created some good discussion overall. | ||
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However, the more i look at Warent's entrance though, the scummier it looks. He gets mad at Rainbows for questioning him and then casts an emotional vote, despite not having any evidence. I think Rainbows was just throwing out votes to create discussion. Warent however, seems dead set on lynching rainbows, and argues semantics. Now, there's an interesting back'n'forth between rainbow and warent. The most interesting thing about it is that while rainbows is defending his vote, warent instead is defending saraf. What I think happened is that rainbows blindfired, got a lucky hit on a skinny (saraf), and then warent came in to try to defend his skinny exercise buddy. It doesn't help that Saraf is so anti-"spam". Obzy has posted just as much as rainbows, and i don't see anyone complaining that he's "spamming". Discussion is useful. What are we supposed to do, chit chat about nothing while the skinnys kill us off? True, some of rainbow's posts have been less substantial than i would have liked, but he got some discussion going. I don't think that's anything to get lynched over. | ||
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we've got about 24 hours left, right? | ||
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also, i'm heading out for a party soon, probably wont post again til... 14 hours from now? I might post between party and bed, but i doubt it. | ||
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i just listed those because they're my main reads atm. i guess i should be asking for everyone's opinion. jarjar, trn, jampidampi, warent, kirby. too many people are suspicious atm. be back in long while guys. schuss | ||
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First off - fuck you rainbows, for being such an arrogant emotional mess. Here's a tip: it's less about what you say, and more about how you depict it. You didn't make any friends because of your abrasive behavior. I understand you were forced to reveal so you wouldn't get lynched, but it was your own damn fault that everyone suspected you. second - fuck you rainbows, if you're actually abandoning the game. third - THERAVENSNAME, WARENT, JAMPIDAMPI why are your votes still on rainbows? Are you guys implying that rainbows' reveal was a fake? If it were fake, there's a huge chance someone would counter-reveal, making it a terrible move for scum. it just doesn't make any sense for him to be scum, no matter how badly he plays. 4th - i think obzy has done a good job explaining further reasons as to why it's unlikely that rainbows is scum. 5th - someone asked about a comment i made about a read on Moloch. disregard it. we have bigger fish to fry now. plus, it was an early-game hunch. Moloch's posts have gotten a lot more substantive and level-headed from since i got the read. 6th - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=18#345 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=12#231 I really think this is the best lead we have so far, coupled with the fact that he's still pushing a lynch on rainbows, who just revealed as the vigilante. ##Vote:jampidampi | ||
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here saraf states that he would be willing to vote for a townie, just because of bad play. Is that really something a townie would do? is Rainbows's play helping town? No, not really, he's being irrational and flinging shit all over the place so trying to lynch him isn't even really a bad choice i don't like it. I mean, i would love to just vote rainbows out for playing terribly, but it's highly likely that he's town. I don't see how a mislynch is going to help us at all. As for the case against jarjar. I do think he looks scummy. But he's hardly posted at all. I think he's lazy. I think I would vote for him if jampi didn't look as scummy. It feels like you're jumping onto jarjar because he's an easy target that won't defend himself, seeing as he doesn't post at all. We can lynch him later for continued lurking, but i don't think that there's a real strong case against him atm. Smancer just pointed out something interesting too, about jrkirby On April 07 2013 08:02 Smancer wrote: I just can't believe you don't think it is suspicious and you go a step further to say you think he is town. But then again your play has mirrored his. Early case against Rainbows. Now you are both voting for the lurker. I don't think jarjar is a good vote day 1. There are plenty of other people posting with actual content to make a read on. The bottom line is that I have made a case based on actual content from jamp. So has Obzy , so has Moloch . There is no case on JarJar other than lurker. None. Why would you rather make a read on nothing other then something?? Which makes me think that jampi and jrkirby are scumbuddies. Jampi's play is completely wishy-washy, and when he's not asking banal questions, he's making noncommittal statements against others. | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:08 Obzy wrote: The goal is to kill scum, not bad town. ^^this this is newbie mafia, guys. most of us are going to play terribly. Don't punish people for being bad at the game. | ||
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I have to think about Obzy being scum. I've been trusting him too much, I think. Hmm | ||
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 I lost my lurker, guys. RIP | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:41 jrkirby wrote: If I am wrong, I don't want to lose you. <3 Twuuu wuuuuvvv <3 Alright, there's five of us here, and something came up and i have to be gone pretty soon. let's get a decision out, shall we. options: rainbows, jampi, jarjar...? I'm thinking I'm going to keep my vote on jampi. I made that decision long ago, and none of jampi's posts since have changed my mind about him too much. And furthermore, I don't wont to be pressured into making a bad vote a the last second. I don't function very well under pressure :S | ||
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##Vote: jampidampi cya guys, i have to go out. Hope the lynch goes well ^_^ | ||
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On April 07 2013 19:05 Warent wrote: These questions from Jampi (Sarafs who brought them up first). Did anyone even try to answer them? So, Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, care to honour JarJars wish and provide an answer to these questions? i voted for him, not because he made bad cases, but because he didn't make any at all, except for his small ones on Saraf and jarjar at the very end. They felt like cop-out last minute BS to save his own ass, rather than well thought out arguments. He had been asking questions all game, and never giving an opinion, like he was trying to avoid any responsibility. Then, he goes after easy targets, Saraf and JarJar, both of whom have posted very little. Not only that, but he votes for JarJar, after he had just gotten 2 votes. He stated "i'll be back after clearing my thoughts", waits until Saraf and jrkirby come in with their votes on jarjar, then just copies what they do. | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:05 Obzy wrote: if I had to be suspicious of somebody on jampi, at the moment, it's smancer, not fish. his scum reads, I would've been quite happy with pre-lynch - now, I'm obviously a bit more skeptical - but I don't think that they make him scum, just reaching with the association to a jampi case. I'm more suspicious of Smancer than the other two, although they obviously all need to keep talking, along with everybody else ^^ Specifically regarding smancer; what's with the rainbows flip-flop? I'll admit, my own confidence was shaken - but really, does the jampi lynch change rainbows' situation? Rainbows wasn't even here for the majority of the jampi stuff. (Which is fucking bad, no doubt! But for Smancer to bring up rainbows after the fact? =l *shrug* Also not liking Jarjar for lurking - why not nobodywonder as well? Jarjar just happened to be the one being voted for lurking at that time. This isn't concrete, of course - but if I had to pick somebody on jampi's wagon that was actually scum, it would be Smancer, not Fish or Moloch. [Naturally, I am ignoring myself. ^^] Does anybody have any opinions on this? if I were to look at the mislynch completely objectively, I would say that i'm the scum. I was the first to point out jampi being suspicious, and then I spearheaded the lynch, i think. Smancer helped me a lot, but I don't know if he would have even thought about jampi if it weren't for me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=12#231 After that post, Smancer goes on to make his big incriminating argument, which is what got the lynch i think. I'm not sure what to make of it. i wouldn't have voted for jampi if it weren't for smancer's posts either. I was trying to build a case against warent at the time. So... since i'm obviously not going to vote for myself, i don't feel it'd be fair to vote for Smancer in this instance either. Unless someone else can show me some other evidence against smancer, i'm not going to point any fingers yet for the mislynch. I'm going to look over warent, saraf, and moloch's filters right now. I have null reads on all of them. Also, I think rainbows might need a second look. Before, I was completely sure he was telling the truth about the claim, but now i'm starting to doubt it. | ||
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good to see that jarjar and rainbows are posting, at least. | ||
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On April 09 2013 04:02 TheRavensName wrote: Well, sense were on the subject of rainbows and people who voted for Jambi.... may I take this time to point out who started the first case against our mislynched cop budy? Why... it would be rainbows! Who luckily shifted off it onto me and vanished off into the wilderness. So... to all the people who are accusing at least one person on Jampi... why are you not at least considering the one who started it all? huh. i thought i had already pointed out who had actually started the vote on jampi here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=24#471 (me and smancer) still, you're on to something. rainbows makes a baseless vote on jampi, then when he gets questioned, gets angry and claims blue. Another thing that rainbows keeps saying is i don't have any scum buddies as if scum would be dumb enough to band together. That doesn't prove your innocence at all, dude.furthermore, saying that TRN's scum buddy is Nobodywonder.... that's hilarious. NW hasn't posted at all. I want to vote for you rainbows, but i don't want to risk offing another blue. | ||
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On April 09 2013 03:07 Smancer wrote: ... Moloch. I think his vote was the most suspicious as it was the fourth and final. Mine, Obzy's and Fishgle vote post for Jampi was detailed and made a good case. Moloch's unfortunately wasn't that detailed, and it looks like he is just sheeping. Furthermore he makes a post and then immediately changes the subject to JarJar. My ready on Moloch has been town as well. Perhaps I am tunneling hard in the sense that I think everyone who agreed with me was town. I personally think there is more to read into TRNs and Rainbows back and forth. But Warrent is probably right that one of the votes for Jamp was scum. moloch's vote may have been sheeping (is that the same as bandwagoning? i think i'm used to different terminology), but it may also have just been him agreeing with us, and seeing no point in reiterating the same arguments. There isn't much else in his filter other than arguments about rainbows, by who's alignment i am completely baffled. Currently i'm afraid that Obzy might be scum. I really have no proof. He argues really well, and makes good points. I guess that's why I'm afraid. He seems like a much better player than the rest of us, and has literally no suspicion on him, despite having voted for a blue. He also constantly reminds us who his town reads are, which is good play for townie, but also a good way for scum to make friends, i think. Anyone have anything to say about obzy, that isn't just "he's probably town"? | ||
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 To be honest, i have no clue what i think about rainbows. Yea, it was a bit of an easy comment for not having posted in a bit, but rainbows makes himself look so scummy with nearly everything he says, it's hard not to comment on him.In the end I guess I don't want to look like an idiot. last game i was in, we were completely dismantled by mafia, and the ringleader was someone very much like you obzy, that was on everyone's good sides. currently i'm looking into smancer and warent, but i'm having trouble making something of their posts that isn't pure speculation. The nightkill left me rather deflated. | ||
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rainbows, for now i'm going to ignore your giant feud with TRN, cuz i don't think it's getting us anywhere. I feel like you're still angry at all the people that were voting for you. What do you think of jrkirby and Smancer? jarjar's post about jrkirby makes a lot of sense. jrkirby big % post was rather useless, and not in line with much of his actions. He pushed town towards voting jampi, then backed off and defended jampi so he wouldn't look suspicious. Like Smancer stated, defending jampi it makes jrkirby look really good after the lynch. It feels like too obvious a set up. Also, do you think we should lynch NW for lurking, or JarJar too for that matter. I felt like jarjar's post was useful, but i'm a bit disappointed he didn't post as much as he promised he would. Is that reason enough to vote for jarjar? i don't know. | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:28 nobodywonder wrote: FUCK YOU FISHGLE, dont do this shit, dont be krafla. oh god this is newbie mafia xxix all over again. now im paranoid about a rainbows fakeclaim and a crazy ass conspiracy shit and i also have class soon... i'm sorry i don't want to make a baseless sheep vote. D: | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:40 Obzy wrote: You know what? I'm really fucking angry with you, Rain. Almost any circumstance where I lose involves me hypothetically trying to lynch you at LYLO. I feel like I tried really hard to save you throughout this game, I have stuck up for you, I've done my absolute best to keep you alive lol, and in the end, I'm just pissed and you show up 30 minutes before lynch to yell at Ravens. Jesus fucking christ. I'm lynching you tomorrow unless kirby flips scum. And if he flips scum, I'm only "Probably" lynching you tomorrow. Fuck. ##Vote jrkirby ditto, dude. this whole ravens versus rainbows ordeal is annoying and distracting. can't they see that they have almost no support from anyone atm? | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:42 nobodywonder wrote: shit alright if raven is town then rainbows is mafia, if raven is mafia then rainbows town for sure... god i just wish we had more time right now... right now jrkirby still feels scummy, but idk my fellow voters on jrk dont feel that townie to me either... i dont like smancer especially...his votes and reasoning weren't the best. i fear that smancer and jjd may be scum too. god im so paranoid right now should we kill off one of rainbows or raven just to get this thing sorted out? | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:50 jrkirby wrote: If I was wrong about jarjar, I apologize, because I was wrong completely. But I'm guessing you'll lynch him tomorrow after I flip. if we're wrong, i think there's a more important target. | ||
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On April 10 2013 09:24 nobodywonder wrote: what leads fishgle, who are you thinking scum? im mad at you. god, these are the sins of being a lurker day 1... oh why didn't i post then... well, obviously jarjar, for appearing suddenly with accusations towards jrkirby. We should probably follow through and lynch jarjar, i think. then there's matching votes. Like Warent said, there is most likely scum voting for the lynch. So if we can look at who voted for both jampi and jrkirby, we might get some info. i'll read through and try to get some more info. also, my comment on obzy may have been a bit brash. I'm probably being overly paranoid. I was looking at all the day1 lynchers, and of obzy moloch and smancer, i couldn't really point out any scum. And i guess i'm still afraid that obzy is still leading me into terrible votes. All game he's been stating "i think you're a townie, fish" etc, like he's purposefully buttering me up. I'll explain my 'obzy might be scum' a little more in depth if you'd like, but for now i'll drop it, though. it was a rather silly statement. | ||
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obzy, yesterday i was going to tell you that night is a bad time to claim doctor (i had a long post written out explaining why it was bad xD), but i didn't want to sound like an ass. I agree, i don't think there's any way that they're going to let you live now. I think warent is trying to mislead us all by telling us to vote for one of the 4 guys who did the mislynch day 1. I think that day1 all of us that voted for a mislynch (me, obsy, moloch, smancer) are town. We just voted badly, mafia didn't even need to associate itself with the kill, and is now trying to push a lynch on us. So with this in mind, and looking at the votes: The saraf kill makes more logical sense. Scum was trying to set us up for a jarjar kill day 2. [jarjar's votes were (3) Saraf jrkirby, jampidampi] But then jarjar finally stopped lurking and made a giant post against jrkirby. Look how quickly nobodywonder jumped out of the woodwork to join in on that lynch. Mafia thought that we would still be going after jarjar if jrkirby got mislynched (which we aren't, too much, even though we should be) and allowed jrkirby to die. So... possibly Warent + nobodywonder + rainbows/raven scumteam? It sounds kind of sketchy but with how well we have been killing ourselves off this game it might be possible that mafia has been mostly uninvolved directly with the kills. Does that make any sense? | ||
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Anyway, I'm glad we're veering away from a no-lynch. Either way we do it, we can't afford to get a single lynch wrong from now on, so the only thing that happens after the nightkill is that rainbows will (probably) die, and then what? The only info we'd gain from that is that mafia thinks it's a good idea to kill a blue. Fuck, we already know that. so... yea. A no-lynch is bad. For me, the scum team is probably NW, TRN, and warent, as i stated before, i think. I'm just hoping that rainbows isn't pulling a fake claim. Warent makes the same terrible defense that rainbows was trying to pull earlier, in "Who are my scum buddies?" Which once again doesn't prove you innocent. All it shows is that the mafia is smart enough to not directly associate itself with other mafia inside the thread. I think smancer's post about jarjar and nobodywonder being eerily similar, with the same votes. But since i doubt mafia would be dumb enough to associate that closely, i think only one of them is scum. Rainbows made a good point about Warent defending TRN, and TRN defending NW, which puts more evidence on that case. I'm a bit wary of everyone being so eager to lynch warent though. Nobodywonder and jarjar jumping in and voting nonchalantly like that, it might be a sign that warent is actually town? And sorry rainbows. I don't think i'll be putting down a vote yet. It's just not my style. to appease you though FoS: Nobodywonder | ||
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it seems i've been focusing on only half the players this whole game, sorry about that. I sorta just follow the big picture and keep a lot of things to myself, unless i feel they're important. I think you and jarjar look somewhat equally scummy, for similar reasons. I already outlined your part. But as for jarjar, him coming in and creating a large post against jrkirby is extremely suspicious. The reason i'm not voting for him is it feels like a set up by the mafia. The first 3 town to die were the 3 that voted for jarjar. Other than that, it's hard to say much about him. He seems to be speaking logically but there's still not enough in his filter to decide how I feel about him. And right now is a rather shaky time to be voting out lurkers. Smancer, i've been reading town most of the game. If I were to make a case against him i'd probably point out how he pushed for the lynches, which all turned out bad. But i can't really state that straightfaced, seeing as i've been mostly agreeing with him the whole game, and also voted for the mislynches. argument for him: He's stated some good, focused points, and pushed for more info, which i consider townie behavior. And he's decently active, which is another positive trait. Not only that, but he seems to be the only other person wary of a mislynch right now. If we get this wrong, we lose, and he understands that. so ya. No suspicion on him, atm. Moloch is rather interesting. I feel like most of the game he's been playing similarly to me. This quote of his i liked It kind of feels like I've wasted time wrecking other people's arguments rather than building my own. It shows that he's got a good level of skepticism and isn't letting himself be mislead too easily. I don't know what to make of all his statistical analysis of no-lynch vs yes-lynch, but even he seems to be unsure of his own stance on that. Probably town? tbh, i don't like saying "this guys town" or "this guy's scum" unless i'm rather sure of it. It's also why I don't vote early either. There's still the possibility that rainbows is fake claiming (our cop died day 1, so no one ever checked), it's possible that smancer is just really good at looking like a townie while leading all the mislynches, etc etc. can anyone bring up a good argument for either moloch or smancer being scum? There's been a couple posts about them, but mostly they've been unperturbed. I'm assuming that it's because in general most people agree with me that they're townies? | ||
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Warent your whole case is ridiculous. You, TRN, and NW are scum. You've been defending them the whole game, TRN has unsuccessfully tried to get the Vigilante lynched (but you havent worried too much because you have a roleblocker anyway). You're trying to get either rainbows or jarjar lynched. I've already pointed out how obvious it is that mafia set-up JarJar to be killed. And Rainbows is the vigilante, ffs. ##Vote: Warent On April 13 2013 00:26 Rainbows wrote: If the 3 scum are all between JJD / Smancer / NW / Moloch, well played. I'm scared of this, myself xD | ||
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Your defense of Smancer is "Smancer defended me, so he can't be scum". "TRN is not scum otherwise he would have voted for me" - it seems to me scum has been getting mis-lynches off the whole game with little direct effort. Why would he jump in now, since you already have enough votes anyway. Plus, he's your scum buddy, so... I've already told you why I'm not voting for jarjar, even if he does look scummy. It looks like a set-up. As for nobodywonder, sorry you're right, you haven't ever directly defended him. But he's as likely to be scum as jarjar is. Just as you are questioning why I'm choosing NW over jarjar, i'm curious as to why you do the opposite. I think warent is scum, guys. But if you guys insist, i'll vote for a no-lynch. It's a stupid idea, tho. The only way we'll have chance of winning this is if we kill off their roleblocker so that rainbows can get his nightkill off. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:41 Warent wrote: Or perhaps the easy explanation? They were on the right track. possibly. But the doubt is enough for me to not vote for him. annnd you're right i should be equally cautious towards voting for you. But i think a no-lynch is giving away any chance of winning :S | ||
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^^look at dat desperate scum xD + Show Spoiler + oh shit, my vote didn't count | ||
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##Vote: JarJarDrinks | ||
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