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don't read this unless you want to hear me be depressing hehe+ Show Spoiler + I don't really want to make a big deal out of this, just want to let the thread know. I'm a little burned out feeling. I'll try to keep reading, but I can't guarantee I'll do as much filter diving. If you think that this is bad - okay. I'm sorry. I figure that everyone can analyze how I played and acted day1, it should hopefully be enough for you to form a read on me. As usual, if people have questions, I will happily answer them - I post this because I'd feel guilty if I just made an active decision to stop commenting and trying to help drive the thread, and then let it happen instead of making it clear. Throwing it in spoilers is a compromise. I don't think it's worth commenting on in a response because my behavior will likely not change as a result. Rainbows, even if I trust your opinion (because I still do think you are town, I just don't want to diligently defend you any longer - I would like you to do it ^^), that doesn't mean that your opinion is 100% accurate. Why is Ravens scum? I'm okay with voting him at the moment because he never moved his vote off you, and because he mistook who the vote leader was 1 minute before the lynch occurred, as kirby also seems to have pointed out. I'm also okay with voting him because I don't know who's scum and Raven wasn't one of my townreads, and maybe this will help get some more conversation going. But I would still like to hear your reasoning, if has changed at all, or if it is the same as in your previous case. Your credibility has tanked ##Vote TheRavensName, for my own reasons listed above. Nobodywonder and JarJarDrinks currently are, and have been, lurking- I would like to see them appear again. The mere existence of lurking potentially unreadables is rather frustrating. I would be rather delighted, Rainbows, if you remained active - particularly if you regained your prior level of activity, where the thread was happily growing and thriving, talking about you. Given how much of day1 revolved around you, if you go missing, town has a good deal less to talk about. ^^ Imho lol. I might be able to post at work tomorrow, but given that my house had flooding issues thursday and I took friday off, I might be playing catchup at my job all day and won't be able to read/post. I definitely won't be able to look at filters or do careful thread analysis until perhaps 20 hours from now, + Show Spoiler + warning warning whine alert^^;+ Show Spoiler + and quite frankly, I don't really want to either. We'll see, maybe I'll get pumped right the fuck up or something. Night everyone. (with a voice dripping with enthusiasm), Lets try not to let the thread die, we're only on day 2 ^^ + Show Spoiler + Even if what you want to talk about is just berating for my comments here, that's fine, as long as you do it in a way that reveals your own alignment and isn't pure fluff. -_- Heh heh. Night all ;o | ||
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On April 09 2013 02:28 jrkirby wrote: Out of all those who voted jampi, my strongest scumread is smancer. On April 08 2013 07:05 Obzy wrote: + Show Spoiler + I liked him before the mislynch occurred, and although the fact that we mislynched made me suspicious of the other people on jampi's wagon, a quick skim through his filter leads me to still lean town on him (Fish, that is). He reacted very much like me, and agreed with my reasoning - + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 02:49 Fishgle wrote: holy shit. things are happening. First off - fuck you rainbows, for being such an arrogant emotional mess. Here's a tip: it's less about what you say, and more about how you depict it. You didn't make any friends because of your abrasive behavior. I understand you were forced to reveal so you wouldn't get lynched, but it was your own damn fault that everyone suspected you. second - fuck you rainbows, if you're actually abandoning the game. third - THERAVENSNAME, WARENT, JAMPIDAMPI why are your votes still on rainbows? Are you guys implying that rainbows' reveal was a fake? If it were fake, there's a huge chance someone would counter-reveal, making it a terrible move for scum. it just doesn't make any sense for him to be scum, no matter how badly he plays. 4th - i think obzy has done a good job explaining further reasons as to why it's unlikely that rainbows is scum. 5th - someone asked about a comment i made about a read on Moloch. disregard it. we have bigger fish to fry now. plus, it was an early-game hunch. Moloch's posts have gotten a lot more substantive and level-headed from since i got the read. 6th - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=18#345 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=12#231 I really think this is the best lead we have so far, coupled with the fact that he's still pushing a lynch on rainbows, who just revealed as the vigilante. ##Vote:jampidampi if I had to be suspicious of somebody on jampi, at the moment, it's smancer, not fish. his scum reads, I would've been quite happy with pre-lynch - now, I'm obviously a bit more skeptical - but I don't think that they make him scum, just reaching with the association to a jampi case. I'm more suspicious of Smancer than the other two, although they obviously all need to keep talking, along with everybody else ^^ Specifically regarding smancer; what's with the rainbows flip-flop? I'll admit, my own confidence was shaken - but really, does the jampi lynch change rainbows' situation? Rainbows wasn't even here for the majority of the jampi stuff. (Which is fucking bad, no doubt! But for Smancer to bring up rainbows after the fact? =l *shrug* Also not liking Jarjar for lurking - why not nobodywonder as well? Jarjar just happened to be the one being voted for lurking at that time. This isn't concrete, of course - but if I had to pick somebody on jampi's wagon that was actually scum, it would be Smancer, not Fish or Moloch. [Naturally, I am ignoring myself. ^^] Does anybody have any opinions on this? (What I mean to imply is quite clearly - I agree. I want all three of them to post, though.) | ||
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assume rainbows is scum. he lives because we have no other vigilante. either way, all it means is we don't have a vig that isn't rainbows. | ||
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you just posted again and it sort of blows my mind: Because people have expressed interest in lynching him!? If you meant to imply that I wanted to lynch him - incorrect, sorry for the misunderstanding. If you meant to imply "Wow, who ever would have thought of lynching him?" - are you even reading lol >.> I take it that you, then, have zero objection to thinking Rainbows is town and have zero intention of lynching him yourself, or you never would've asked that question. However, before deciding to look at the voters on Jampi, whom I believe are at least reasonably townie and I would rather vote Ravens, you had indicated Rainbows, me, and Fish as potential scum, directly after the mislynch. So now you both do not understand why Rainbows would still be alive, AND the idea of him being lynched today had apparently not crossed your mind. In end-game I'll apologize for this tone if you are town, but honestly, I don't see a way that you could have logically changed your mind on Rainbows, secretly, to a point that it makes you ask why he would be lynched. Please convince me otherwise. | ||
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(And I don't necessarily find it likely lol - I did, however, find it likely that people would try, and am perplexed at how you apparently did not expect it - to a point that you thought he would be nk'd by mafia, assuming he is town. Ravens, I don't remember Rainbows making a case against Jampi, I thought it was an omgus vote. The cases came from myself, Smancer, and varying suspicions throughout the game from other people in the thread like Fish. You may mean to say "who voted first" - in which case, quite right. Do you mean to imply that you find the four people on Jampi townie enough that we should expand our search and think of Rainbows instead? + Show Spoiler + As I'm currently voting for you, and I've been rather vocal in my believe that Rainbows is likely town, that indicates to me that there are not ANY scum on Jampi's wagon, at this point in time. I'll happily reconsider later, if things turn out differently - and I [seem to] have a bit of a problem with association cases lol.. Thread activity is miserable. If you haven't posted yet today (that is to say, day 2), please post. Even just to fucking say hi so we know you're reading the thread and questions can be directed at you. If we have a bunch of lurkers (nobodywonder, Jarjar), and a few nonposters so far today (Fish, Moloch), it's hard to actually narrow down who isn't scummy. -_- --and Ravens just posted his thought on it not really being a case - Hm :l Ravens, although I think I also wrote it above, do you think that the four people on Jampi are town, and that is why you are bringing up Rainbows to be looked at as well? | ||
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At the moment, my reads are Town: Me, Fish, Rain Null: Smancer, Moloch, Kirby Lurker: nobodywonder, Jarjar. Scummy: Ravens, Warent. The problem is that Moloch, Kirby, nobodywonder, Jarjar, and Fish aren't posting (or at least - not enough). Ravens and Warent are posting and I'm getting scum vibes, but they could just be _relatively_ scummy compared to Rain and Smancer. To further identify if they are actually scum, I would like to be able to continue gathering thoughts on the other five. Ravens - at a complete fucking dart-board guess, my heart tells me that you, warents, and nobodywonder are scum. If one of those is wrong, add in Smancer. I hate speculating but right now we're on the fast-track to a loss unless we get very, very lucky. I'm still voting for you, but I'm not as certain as I want to be because we don't have enough fucking information! We have posted THREE PAGES IN DAY TWO, two votes have been placed, and nobody seems to care! | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:28 TheRavensName wrote: Tell you what, give me a real good reason to move on from Rainbows. It can not be the vigi claim and it can not be comparable to the meta of the last game he rolled scum, sense I know you at least skimmed it. Your "feeling" on Jampi was wrong, I see no reason this one can't be wrong also. He ragequit, which I think is a townie move because I've done it before, his claim makes no fucking sense from any standpoint so it was probably a dumb townie move, he was the primary person being talked about and I am the only one (or it fucking feels like it at least) who has been adamantly defending him and I'm town so where are his scumbuddies. He did claim vigilante (Sorry, not ignoring it) which is a risky play and stupid under the circumstances if he were scum to claim instead of just calmly deflecting pressure, he's actually playing the game again which at least makes me breathe a small sigh of fucking relief; I want to follow somebody, not lead myself, and Rainbows (at the beginning, anyways) did an admirable job of attempting to lead, as insane as it may have been, and [got distracted, forgot what I was gonna put here, then noticed JarJar posted. Thank god for that, I'm gonna read what he posted! Fuck these thoughts.] | ||
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Quite frankly I don't think you're as scummy as nobodywonder completely by gut feel. If you have the time, could you give your thoughts on recent interactions, specifically if you have any insights regarding Ravens and/or Warent? | ||
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And what do you make of the fact that JarJar also has a town read on him? Specifically, does it make you more inclined to believe that Rainbows is town. | ||
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Also, the fact that he has only myself and Rainbows as townreads - So? I only have Rain and Fish as townreads in my more recent post, and Fish hasn't shown up in awhile. Are you implying that you don't have me as a townread? (In which case cool, whatever) but I fail to see how the fact that he only has us as townreads as a relevant point unless you are trying to undermine the credibility of a townread on Rainbows. | ||
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What do you think of the case against kirby? I might as well ask you since I would like opinions on everything from everybody, and you're obviously here. | ||
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On April 09 2013 06:08 TheRavensName wrote: Well my point is, you mention where would rainbow's scum buddies be sense they arn't defending him, my point is they very well could be. Where are mine if your so certain I have them? I'm not certain, I'm just speculating. Up until JarJar's post, I feel like I was the only person defending Rain. I know I am town. Thusly, Rainbows had no 'scumbuddies' defending him. As you keep posting, I am becoming slightly less certain of you, but I'm perfectly happy to keep you talking because the more information you put out in your defense the easier it will be for everybody to form independent conclusions and it very well could be that all of the scum are lurking or not posting currently! Smancer - I read it, and I want Fish and Moloch to return. I would be quite happy to realize that all of us on jampi were actually town, and I am moderately suspicious of Warent for the suggestion that a minimum of one or two mafia was on Jampi, just by doing mathematical analysis - but same as with Ravens, at least he's been here and giving out his opinions and content to work with. I do indeed keep asking people to post, it would be a glorious day if the thread was moving so quickly that I was one of the lurkier players instead of practically spammy and trying to get discussion moving in any way possible. | ||
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On April 07 2013 09:16 TheRavensName wrote: Well, I guess Jampi read the Ace guide to playing town: Never claim. Toobad, might have saved him. ... According to your behavior, Ravens, claiming will specifically not save you at all. + Show Spoiler + And why do you say you have a better track record? Yes, we mislynched, and you weren't voting for the mislynch target. This means that you have no track record; alternatively, it could be stated that you were worse at arguing your case. | ||
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