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On April 25 2013 04:48 ObviousOne wrote:
So let's kill VE or ShiaoPi today.
If you think one or both are town, tell us why.
##Vote VisceraEyes
Accio votes!
Can you tell me why they're scum first?
On April 25 2013 04:49 TheRavensName wrote:
The Vivax shot I don't think was a blue snipe. I found his flip to be a surprise, and from what I can see in his filter (read me trying to search for a bunch of code words that pop in my head, and taking a look through his first dozen posts for any of the usual hidden code tricks.) he doesn't seem to breadcrumb (Or at least none that I can see but then they are probably pretty good breadcrumbs .)
That is not to say shooting him doesn't make sense. He seems to be on everyones super confirmed town lists, its a pretty good idea as town to get those out of the way. Finding out he was a blue is just a bonus. Clarity is of course the victim of the Wine of today.
There is also the possibility like I said that Vivax' mason partner was scum. That way, scum would know that he's blue.
I just can't wrap my head around a N1 Vivax kill. No offense to him, but there's plenty of scarier players in the game that can scumhunt better than him.
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On April 25 2013 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:48 ObviousOne wrote:
So let's kill VE or ShiaoPi today.
If you think one or both are town, tell us why.
##Vote VisceraEyes
Accio votes! Can you tell me why they're scum first? Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:49 TheRavensName wrote:
The Vivax shot I don't think was a blue snipe. I found his flip to be a surprise, and from what I can see in his filter (read me trying to search for a bunch of code words that pop in my head, and taking a look through his first dozen posts for any of the usual hidden code tricks.) he doesn't seem to breadcrumb (Or at least none that I can see but then they are probably pretty good breadcrumbs .)
That is not to say shooting him doesn't make sense. He seems to be on everyones super confirmed town lists, its a pretty good idea as town to get those out of the way. Finding out he was a blue is just a bonus. Clarity is of course the victim of the Wine of today. There is also the possibility like I said that Vivax' mason partner was scum. That way, scum would know that he's blue. I just can't wrap my head around a N1 Vivax kill. No offense to him, but there's plenty of scarier players in the game that can scumhunt better than him.
On April 25 2013 00:29 ObviousOne wrote:
People I want to lynch:
25) VisceraEyes - scum - not paranoid enough to be town, mostly antagonistic with players who are more likely to be lynched and more friendly to players who are considered vets or town
17) Mr. Cheesecake - scum - too much friendly playful interplay with VE, not enough information sharing, being extremely "helpful" and "pro-town" by pointing out his meta
20) ShiaoPi - scum - not seeing anything the speaks town to me, seemingly random decision to kill BM, barely contributing or trying to figure things out
11) GiygaS - scum - fuck it, why not, someone said he was so he has to be, and besides he was more concerned people spelled his name correctly than he was about making a contribution to the thread
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Can you explain why that makes me scum?
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Vivax didn't have a Mason partner. There was nothing to crumb as the rules didnt allow him to Mason up until Night 1. He was killed because he was on the right track.
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Cedric Diggory (Masoner): Hufflepuff Seeker and Prefect, you are a skilled duelist, a natural leader, and a kind soul. With your access to the Prefect's Bathroom you can have private conversations with others where you can't be overheard. You bend the rules, just a little, for Harry Potter to help him solve the puzzle of the second task, since he helped you with the first one. You are a loyal fellow, after all. When Voldie returns to power, you are the first to fall, but at least you die a champion. Each Night, you can select a target. Until the end of the next night, you are masoned with that target. You cannot mason the same target twice.
As I read it, Vivax could not have been masoned with anyone D1 so that's easy to rule out.
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On April 25 2013 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:48 ObviousOne wrote:
So let's kill VE or ShiaoPi today.
If you think one or both are town, tell us why.
##Vote VisceraEyes
Accio votes! Can you tell me why they're scum first? Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:49 TheRavensName wrote:
The Vivax shot I don't think was a blue snipe. I found his flip to be a surprise, and from what I can see in his filter (read me trying to search for a bunch of code words that pop in my head, and taking a look through his first dozen posts for any of the usual hidden code tricks.) he doesn't seem to breadcrumb (Or at least none that I can see but then they are probably pretty good breadcrumbs .)
That is not to say shooting him doesn't make sense. He seems to be on everyones super confirmed town lists, its a pretty good idea as town to get those out of the way. Finding out he was a blue is just a bonus. Clarity is of course the victim of the Wine of today. There is also the possibility like I said that Vivax' mason partner was scum. That way, scum would know that he's blue. I just can't wrap my head around a N1 Vivax kill. No offense to him, but there's plenty of scarier players in the game that can scumhunt better than him.
[/b] Are masons able to mason starting on Day 1, or is their first possible chance to mason someone at the end of Night 1? [/b]
Have you read through Vivax's filter? I would suggest you do so, and then come back and decide if you think he was shot as a snipe or because of his play.
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Gotta bounce for a couple hours to play chauffeur around town. Artanis, if that's not enough check them out and decide for yourself, maybe you'll say something to convince me they aren't mafia (or lol convince me you are ^ ^).
@VE show me you care enough to prove me wrong. You have appeared to have near zero interest in figuring people out. You are nowhere near as paranoid as I expect you to be as town. I even addressed Ace last night regarding my read of you and that still could get answered, I see he is here in the thread now. Yamato did a good job turning around my scum read on him, I'm confident you have it in you to do the same.
@Ace that is the best conclusion IMO, that he was on the right track with something.
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@OO: VE has been coasting but "not paranoid enough to be Town" doesn't mean the guy is Scum. He could easily just not be giving a fuck.
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On April 25 2013 05:05 Ace wrote:
@OO: VE has been coasting but "not paranoid enough to be Town" doesn't mean the guy is Scum. He could easily just not be giving a fuck.
I wish for him to give slightly more fucks, that is all. Back in a bit.
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He has no real reason to change his behavior if he's not en route to a lynch, so I'm going to push for it until he changes my mind.
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On April 25 2013 05:02 Ace wrote:
Vivax didn't have a Mason partner. There was nothing to crumb as the rules didnt allow him to Mason up until Night 1. He was killed because he was on the right track.
Oh, fair enough.
Reading the thread is probably a good idea. Let me get on that.
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Vivax would have had a mason partner because he would have been masoned with his target WHEN he targeted them N1. At least that's how targeting masons have worked in every game I've played here.
So imo Vivax WAS masoned with someone, but unless that person claims it's completely irrelevant. I agree that he was most likely shot for being on the right track (as even if he was masoned with scum, a mason isn't a serious threat to mafia anyway.)
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@artanis
all the good players are very inactive / potentially look scummy
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I need a few things cleared up to proceed.
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On April 24 2013 23:26 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:On April 23 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote:
I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today:
##Vote Oatsmaster
His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression.
Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. seriously, lets not do this. No meta cases please. We need 13 votes to secure a lynch by deadline - how about we not bring up lynching people with no context in THIS game whatsoever? You aren't going to convince many people with this, and you're just stalling the yamato wagon. Dont do this bullshit. Ace, I have been listening to the most recent podcast and an interesting note came up regarding use of meta. D1 meta should never be used ever, according to someone on the cast, and it is often used as a crutch by scum to secure mislynches. Does this ring true to you, and if so does this change your perspective on Vivax at all? I ask because it seems despite your apprehension to using meta this early in the game, you seem to have come around to supporting Vivax's case: Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote:
To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated. So I brought up Vivax's filter and I see he rounded out a legitimate case on Oats that leads to you coming to this conclusion. Two points from Vivax: - Oats says VE has good reads: he did the same exact thing in boardwalk as town with VE scum, I think there might be a Craigslist Missed Connection ad VE should be looking for. Not sure what I'm not seeing that happened before this and we can't ask Oats anymore but perhaps VE can clarify whether or not they have a history together that would explain Oats thinking he's right/town all the time. - Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that: Oats is just random as fuck. I don't think there's a more effective way to say it, but even the above point fits into this category.
I want to ask you specifically how familiar you are with Oats' playstyle and general thread presence outside of what you've seen in this game. Admittedly I didn't do anything whatsoever to convince town that Oats was a bad lynch, and these are thoughts in retrospect, but they are leading to this final question: Would town VE be suspicious of Palmar for that kind of post, from your experience and from your opinion this game, or does his off-the-cuff town read of Palmar come TOO easily? I'm not getting town vibes from VE, his style here seems to be passive enough that he's confident town will tear itself apart as scum or he's simply too busy with other things that unless he is under direct threat of lynch he will be around just enough to keep above the activity level of some of the scummier lurkers. I think he's mafia, but I've been wrong every single time on my initial read of him that I'm leery of pushing it unless it makes enough sense to at least one other person.
I screamed at Vivax for the meta case because I have little faith in them - they are just usually excuses for people to mischaracterize another person's play with no context and ignore what is happening in the current game. Vivax's next few posts went into detail on Oats play this game so it was a much better look and I came around.
I played with Oats in Ego Mafia I think? He wasn't really standing out too much and that led to him being lynched as Scum.
As to the bolded:
For now it is too difficult to tell why VE is so casual towards Palmar and vice versa. They aren't actually trying to do anything which should result in a wagon but for some reason almost everyone just blissfully ignores them and lets them prance around. I agree that VE doesn't scream Town. He isn't trying to prove it at any rate which is a flag. He's clearly active enough to be watching the thread whenever his name pops up though.
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On April 25 2013 05:13 Palmar wrote:
I need a few things cleared up to proceed.
Cool story bro. Is this post intended only to inflate your post count? Because without these "things" that's what it looks like to me.
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On April 25 2013 05:13 Palmar wrote:
I need a few things cleared up to proceed.
a few things like what?
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i only did green starsenses like once or twice, color doesnt mean anything
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Not "whenever" my name pops up - just because I did this time doesn't make it a trend Ace.
No, I'm just inactive - no excuse. I understand this is a scumtell for me and I intend to remedy that this game day.
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VE, I hope you shit leprechauns. I'm thirsty for red blood, and you're a prime suspect.
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