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On April 25 2013 02:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:23 Sylencia wrote:On April 25 2013 01:36 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, Sylencia, glad to see you around. It looks like you put in a lot of work going through filters, but I don't see a lot of reads, just a lot of summary. Is this a list of your top suspects or just a collection of players? Because at one point you actually mention yourself on your list, and that just seems a little strange to me.
I can tell you've got a scum read on VE, and at least a bit of a scum read on Grush, does this mean the other players are also suspicious in your eyes or are they town or null? I'm just having a bit of trouble making heads or tails of it all. I've been going through people as a collection (hence why the list is so messy), yet going through them I found myself to become more suspicious of VE and grush so far. Unless something pretty much proves them to be innocent, I don't generally find true town reads since it's dependent on having information you don't have. In any case, no one on that list (other than myself) I can say that I have a strong town read on, Wave of Shadow is probably the person on that current list I have the least suspicion on, but in any case, I am more concerned with the ones I find most suspicious, not the least. Okay, so would it be accurate to say anyone on that list not explicitly marked as suspicious ranges somewhere in slight townie-null-slight scummy? Or townie-slight townie-null-slight scummy? And is there a specific reason you chose those people to start with? And last but not least, can you give me a quick read on Yamato?
Scum [-------------[--|----]-----------] Town is the bracket I'd put most of them.
On yamato: I don't see him as scummy at the moment. At one point when there was a wagon on him, I do agree that there was reasoning there, but the effort he has put in after that, and his attempt to move the wagon away from Oats (a right move from him in the end) leads me to believe he is more likely to be town. Naturally, this could also just be a play from him if he is scum, choosing the greatest moment ever at L-1 at the dead of night to try move the case away, but for now I don't see myself targetting him on Day 2. This could change once I dive into his filter, but that's based on what I remember reading.
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On April 25 2013 02:37 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote:
Comments / Observations:
- Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious.
Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation.
This is an exceptionally interesting quote. Sylencia is saying that he has a town read on Oats. I don't see any particular reason early in Oat's filter to think that he's town. Neither is there any sort of reasoning for this read given. This is an odd way of saying "Palmar, what is your current read on Oats?"
I never mentioned having a town read on oats there? I said he made a joke statement, that doesn't equate to he is not scum. The question was asking for why he reacted he way he did, not what his read was. That already came with a vote.
Beyond this I don't want to continuously copy paste so I'll jsut quote it:
"One of the points from Gonzaw's case on Artanis in PYP was that scum tend to complain about activity more than town."
Does this make the other 3-5 people who mentioned something along the lines of what I said scummy? Pretty sure I've said something along those lines nearly every game I've played in.
"So because Sylencia hasn't gotten any town reads out of the back and forth, no one else can? Like, WTF? That doesn't make any sense. "
Different strokes for different people then? I personally find it to be impossible to take a subset of players, read their posts and just outright say "he's a townie" and start defending them. Sounds absurd to me.
"Throughout the whole post Sylencia hasn't said 1 thing that has pointed to Rayn being scum. Not a single thing. As a matter of fact, Sylencia is calling out Rayn for wanting to lynch BM for being scum but not giving actual reasons for him being scum. So what does Sylencia do pray tell? Not give any reason for Rayn being scum whatsoever. At best this is a policy vote to remove stupidity from the thread. "
Lying/changing the apparent meaning of what he said isn't a reason for wanting to lynch him now?
"Read this twice. Do you ever see any inclination that Sylencia thinks that Oats is scum here? It's not A--Bad Townie vs B--Scum. It's A--Bad Townie vs B--withholding information. What information could someone be withholding on D1? None. Period. You either think Oats was town or you think he's scum. Sylencia is still reading Oats as town AND still voting for Oats."
Next time I'm scum, I'll be sure to hand out information as I'm about to be lynched on Day 1 which will help out townies in the long run (y)
"Bald faced lie. Sure Oats didn't contribute much. But if that's the case then Sylencia voted him for being bad town which is not a reason to vote for someone period. Seeing as how Sylencia didn't think Oats was scum anyways why 180 on why he voted for him? Image control, nothing more."
Again, how are you getting "Oats made joke comment" -> "Oats is townie in my eyes"?
Anyways, bed time.
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EBWOP: I don't want to requote it so I'll copy and paste it.
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Vivax:
I asked Clarity about ShiaoPi because he promised to look into those three people. ShiaoPi didn't interest me much at that time. I wanted to see what Clarity came up on those people, cos i think Clarity is scum and if he looked at people i thought he was at least looking into people who he thought were scum when he was reading the thread. Turned out no..
Oh and i agree with the points you brought up against ShiaoPi.
Sharrant:
I understand you much better now. We certainly have quite a different way of approaching the game and now i can see your thought process behind your actions. I disagree with some of them being the "best way" to approach the situation but i understand you. I know i am sometimes bad at explaining stuff but i hope you can also look at what i have said from my PoV and at least try to understand why i am saying stuff i am.
With that being said, here's my full list of reads. I don't care to make big paragraphs about people i find scummy, just a short summary, and i don't care to explain my townreads atm:
Bill Murray
Kushm4sta
TheRavensName
Vivax
Grush57
getmoript
Sharrant
Hopeless1der
Palmar - This is extremely shady. Palmar is either incredibly lazy or scum, but i put him on "likely town" because he seems to share a good portion of my reads.
Null:
Stutters695 - can't say much
Tube - can't say much
Drazak - can't say much
Ace - honestly could be either way. i have a hard time reading him, brings up good points, i'm just not sure if they are against dumb townies or if those people are actually mafia
BloodyCobbler - brings up some good points but there is so so little he has done. should share his wisdom more if town
Yamato77 - i really dunno what to say. some stuff looks town, some stuff looks incredibly anti-town
Scummy side of null:
Mr. Cheesecake - Should do something other than tell people how town he is
VisceraEyes - goes into same category with Palmar, except that i don't see anything particularly townie he has done
ObviousOne - I have really hard time reading him. I thought he was mafia before, but his reads made me feel better about him
Sylencia - big summary post of what some people have done and that's basically it..
WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
If you got questions, ask me and i'll answer.
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On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax:
I asked Clarity about ShiaoPi because he promised to look into those three people. ShiaoPi didn't interest me much at that time. I wanted to see what Clarity came up on those people, cos i think Clarity is scum and if he looked at people i thought he was at least looking into people who he thought were scum when he was reading the thread. Turned out no..
Oh and i agree with the points you brought up against ShiaoPi.
Sharrant:
I understand you much better now. We certainly have quite a different way of approaching the game and now i can see your thought process behind your actions. I disagree with some of them being the "best way" to approach the situation but i understand you. I know i am sometimes bad at explaining stuff but i hope you can also look at what i have said from my PoV and at least try to understand why i am saying stuff i am.
With that being said, here's my full list of reads. I don't care to make big paragraphs about people i find scummy, just a short summary, and i don't care to explain my townreads atm:
Bill Murray
Kushm4sta
TheRavensName
Vivax
Grush57
getmoript
Sharrant
Hopeless1der
Palmar - This is extremely shady. Palmar is either incredibly lazy or scum, but i put him on "likely town" because he seems to share a good portion of my reads.
Null:
Stutters695 - can't say much
Tube - can't say much
Drazak - can't say much
Ace - honestly could be either way. i have a hard time reading him, brings up good points, i'm just not sure if they are against dumb townies or if those people are actually mafia
BloodyCobbler - brings up some good points but there is so so little he has done. should share his wisdom more if town
Yamato77 - i really dunno what to say. some stuff looks town, some stuff looks incredibly anti-town
Scummy side of null:
Mr. Cheesecake - Should do something other than tell people how town he is
VisceraEyes - goes into same category with Palmar, except that i don't see anything particularly townie he has done
ObviousOne - I have really hard time reading him. I thought he was mafia before, but his reads made me feel better about him
Sylencia - big summary post of what some people have done and that's basically it..
WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
If you got questions, ask me and i'll answer.
Good reads. Im town.
WoS seems weird this game. And thats all Ive got to say about that.
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On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax:
I asked Clarity about ShiaoPi because he promised to look into those three people. ShiaoPi didn't interest me much at that time. I wanted to see what Clarity came up on those people, cos i think Clarity is scum and if he looked at people i thought he was at least looking into people who he thought were scum when he was reading the thread. Turned out no..
Oh and i agree with the points you brought up against ShiaoPi.
Sharrant:
I understand you much better now. We certainly have quite a different way of approaching the game and now i can see your thought process behind your actions. I disagree with some of them being the "best way" to approach the situation but i understand you. I know i am sometimes bad at explaining stuff but i hope you can also look at what i have said from my PoV and at least try to understand why i am saying stuff i am.
With that being said, here's my full list of reads. I don't care to make big paragraphs about people i find scummy, just a short summary, and i don't care to explain my townreads atm:
Bill Murray
Kushm4sta
TheRavensName
Vivax
Grush57
getmoript
Sharrant
Hopeless1der
Palmar - This is extremely shady. Palmar is either incredibly lazy or scum, but i put him on "likely town" because he seems to share a good portion of my reads.
Null:
Stutters695 - can't say much
Tube - can't say much
Drazak - can't say much
Ace - honestly could be either way. i have a hard time reading him, brings up good points, i'm just not sure if they are against dumb townies or if those people are actually mafia
BloodyCobbler - brings up some good points but there is so so little he has done. should share his wisdom more if town
Yamato77 - i really dunno what to say. some stuff looks town, some stuff looks incredibly anti-town
Scummy side of null:
Mr. Cheesecake - Should do something other than tell people how town he is
VisceraEyes - goes into same category with Palmar, except that i don't see anything particularly townie he has done
ObviousOne - I have really hard time reading him. I thought he was mafia before, but his reads made me feel better about him
Sylencia - big summary post of what some people have done and that's basically it..
WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
If you got questions, ask me and i'll answer.
Just pretend I wrote this post. I agree with just about everything in it. Except VE is firmly in the red zone for me.
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On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote:
Comments / Observations:
- Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious.
Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation.
Read the bolded section. This shows that Sylencia didn't think that Oats was suspicious. Admittedly, I guess I presumed 'not suspicious' = town, but that's reasonable assumption.
On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote:
"So because Sylencia hasn't gotten any town reads out of the back and forth, no one else can? Like, WTF? That doesn't make any sense. "
Different strokes for different people then? I personally find it to be impossible to take a subset of players, read their posts and just outright say "he's a townie" and start defending them. Sounds absurd to me.
Are you trying to say that people can't form town reads and can't defend them? Are we supposed to believe that you just classify everyone in shades of null-leaning-town/scum? I don't understand this outlook, can you explain this further? This just looks like you're trying to bypass the point. How do you form your tells?
On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote:
"Throughout the whole post Sylencia hasn't said 1 thing that has pointed to Rayn being scum. Not a single thing. As a matter of fact, Sylencia is calling out Rayn for wanting to lynch BM for being scum but not giving actual reasons for him being scum. So what does Sylencia do pray tell? Not give any reason for Rayn being scum whatsoever. At best this is a policy vote to remove stupidity from the thread. "
Lying/changing the apparent meaning of what he said isn't a reason for wanting to lynch him now?
If you think he's a liar, then why not pressure him flat out for lying. You keep on taking this observer aspect to the game instead of being a participant which doesn't feel towny to me.
On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote:
"Read this twice. Do you ever see any inclination that Sylencia thinks that Oats is scum here? It's not A--Bad Townie vs B--Scum. It's A--Bad Townie vs B--withholding information. What information could someone be withholding on D1? None. Period. You either think Oats was town or you think he's scum. Sylencia is still reading Oats as town AND still voting for Oats."
Next time I'm scum, I'll be sure to hand out information as I'm about to be lynched on Day 1 which will help out townies in the long run (y)
If B is supposed to be scum, then why not say scum? If he is scum, then what information do you think that he could be withholding? If you think he's withholding information, then why don't you try and pressure him to get that information out of him. It just looks to me like you're more than happy to pop in and out when you please and download whatever information you please to the thread to avoid suspicion/being lynched. How is what you're doing beneficial? You've given summaries, not analysis. How is that town-motivated?
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Palmar if you at any point flip town in this game and VE is alive i make sure he hangs.
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On April 25 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar if you at any point flip town in this game and VE is alive i make sure he hangs.
in b4 palmar shot n1 and VE is town.
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No, if Palmar is town he possibly can't be that wrong, can he?
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On April 25 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar if you at any point flip town in this game and VE is alive i make sure he hangs.
you shall have my axe
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On April 25 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, if Palmar is town he possibly can't be that wrong, can he?
He may be king, but he is still only mortal.
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On April 25 2013 02:23 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:36 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, Sylencia, glad to see you around. It looks like you put in a lot of work going through filters, but I don't see a lot of reads, just a lot of summary. Is this a list of your top suspects or just a collection of players? Because at one point you actually mention yourself on your list, and that just seems a little strange to me.
I can tell you've got a scum read on VE, and at least a bit of a scum read on Grush, does this mean the other players are also suspicious in your eyes or are they town or null? I'm just having a bit of trouble making heads or tails of it all. I've been going through people as a collection (hence why the list is so messy), yet going through them I found myself to become more suspicious of VE and grush so far. Unless something pretty much proves them to be innocent, I don't generally find true town reads since it's dependent on having information you don't have. In any case, no one on that list (other than myself) I can say that I have a strong town read on, Wave of Shadow is probably the person on that current list I have the least suspicion on, but in any case, I am more concerned with the ones I find most suspicious, not the least.
Wtf man, i though I was definitely scum as you voted for me (for reasons i don't even understand) on D1.
Y U no hate me anymore?
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On April 25 2013 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
WoS seems weird this game. And thats all Ive got to say about that.
Maybe he finally rolled scum and has no idea what to do?
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@rayn/TRN what do you think of my points on Sylencia?
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On April 25 2013 03:39 getmoript wrote:
@rayn/TRN what do you think of my points on Sylencia?
I think Sylencia gets a downgrade to the red list in my reads.
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I've got to pretty much echo Rayne's list at this point with a few changes:
Super town:
BM
Vivax
Kush
Palmar
Town:
Yamato
ObviousOne
Geript
Rayne
TRN
Slightly town:
Ace
BC
Sylencia
Hopeless
Null:
Drazak
Tube
Mr. Cheesecake
VisceraEyes
WoS
Grush
Lynch one of these tomorrow:
Clarity
ShiaoPi
Less good lynches, but still good lynches:
Giygas
Stutters695 (A better vig shot, but is very likely to be scum in my eyes)
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I'm glad you seem to understand me Sharrant. I feel sorry for you (us) for wasting a good portion of D1.. :/
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On April 25 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm glad you seem to understand me Sharrant. I feel sorry for you (us) for wasting a good portion of D1.. :/
I'm certainly not sorry for it, I think it bagged us two scum.
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I have to agree with you, shitfests between townies are actually beneficial as people need to take a stance on those things. Scum are unlike to say "stop it you guys, you are both likely town".
tbh i'm known of shitfests between townies. :D
dunno if that's a good or bad thing.
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