EPTOn April 09 2013 06:30 Restraining Order wrote:
Actually Vivax is 100% scum. Through and through.
Vigis, shoot the guy. If not, we lynch the guy tomorrow. I will not accept anything short of his cold, dead body.
So, in summary BOTH flipped mafia implicate him heavily. For Artanis it's on either side, for VE obviously not really since VE didn't actually post.
Summaries of both below, first comes Vivax' part, then the confirmed mafia's side.
VE:
VE's case is apparantly good, huh. I never knew.
[1]: "I'll make mistakes, but that's totally not scummy because I warned you! And if my opinions turn out to be bullshit, well it wasn't intentional, okay!?!?" This is just scummy and not part of the association, but I cba to repeat this later.
[2]: "I am suspicious of you for not commenting on VE's case" But that's not all he says with it, he AGAIN underlines how great and grand VE's case is.
[3]: So the case was awesome and everything, but points that are clearly just strewn in to inflate its size are merely "not strong". No need for concern guys. That's totally not something that should give a townie a pause while reading it, it's merely "not strong". And we of course can all understand the motivation for putting it in there, right?? Right??
First part we've heard already I think. Second part is a blatant defense of VE. Quelle surprise.
Then, for a long time, he simply ignores VE.
Once it becomes clear that VE is a very real lynch target and he can do nothing to stop it, time for a tactics switch:
Let's soft-push without commiting to it!
He might not be the role he is, don't believe true things too easily!
I want to call him scummy so I look like I call him out, but obviously I'd rather lynch townies and have no intention of lynching VE! (yes, this translates to me giving both sinani and sno townreads, deal with it)
On VE's side there's not much, but there's something! Almost a miracle with that little activity....
Also known as: Where VE pushes a guy that's suspicious of Vivax.
Coincidence? I think not.
Apart from this, VE never mentions Vivax.
Artanis:
Easy as shit to do interaction, asking basically for a "yes" and a +1.
[1]: "oh yes I totally looked at Artanis and I'm scumhunting and contributing, believe me. But I think a scum is town because [vague annotations about meta], thanks!" Further problems with this: He notes how he misread him in British as a reason for him to be wary of calling him scum. This is complete BS. Vivax has read me 100% wrong in EVERY game we have played together, apart from maybe LX if you want to nitpick, but ofc we were both scum there. DOES THAT MOTIVATE HIM TO REASSESS HIS READ ON ME IN ANY WAY? HELL NO. This is a textbook example of preferrential treatment. And of course, to top it off, he 'believes' Artanis' stupid excuse for not being active in an instant.
[2]: Highlighting the relevant part again: "I don't think you can hold that against Artanis". Of course not. Who would hold anything against Artanis?!?
[3]: "His agressive behavior isn't fake at all! Actually it's not even agressive at all! Actually it's not even behavior! Actually I'm not even town!"
Eh. You get the gist.
[4]: Case on artanis is, obviously, not convincing. Confirmation bias and such. Sure beans.
"Artanis shouldn't be shot. Don't shoot scum. I'd prefer if you shoot trolls and lurkers instead."
Of course he wouldn't shed tears for dead townies. scumslip scumslip ololololololol (writing so much makes me bored, sorry about that)
Wifom argument that the gonzaw shot doesn't implicate Artanis at all. You know who said the same thing? Oh yes, Artanis! Hmmm.
Going after Artanis is also scummy as shit, apparantly.
We've seen the rest a hundred times already by now, only now Shelvocke is included. Who Artanis is currently pushing. Who is clearly getting prepared for a full scum-team push on him here. Just FYI.
Watch out Caller, you gonna get nightkilled.
There are some more threats to Caller about him killing Artanis, but I'm getting lazy.
Artanis' side of things:
Looks entirely unremarkable. It is. It's also never seriously considered or followed up on.
This doesn't actually say anything of value either.
Let's go full confirmation bias and say "Are you saying that like Vivax he rolls scum in 100% of his games regardless of his role PM" is an excuse to excuse Vivax' scummy behavior because he apparantly always does that.
Then his read/list post states:
Oh a townread. Because Vivax is supposedly not playing to either meta, and is apparantly 'cooperative'.
What he forgets though, and continues to forget, is Vivax' scum play in LVIII. Which showed a marked absence of the raving moronic town Vivax we all rightfully hate. Guess what? This town Vivax is also not present in this game. But that little piece of meta will go ignored. Better not bring it up, and hope nobody else does.
*insert 2 one-liners repeating his above read I cba to quote*
LX as the sole hallmark for Vivax' scumplay.
Aren't we forgetting a game?
Luckily, dandy dan is here for you.
So, when I'm obviously implying that he has played like he does this game exactly once before, and it was a scumgame, it would not do to check it and take a stance on that. Of course not.
So yeah Vivax is like, maaaaafia and shit.
Actually Vivax is 100% scum. Through and through.
Vigis, shoot the guy. If not, we lynch the guy tomorrow. I will not accept anything short of his cold, dead body.
So, in summary BOTH flipped mafia implicate him heavily. For Artanis it's on either side, for VE obviously not really since VE didn't actually post.
Summaries of both below, first comes Vivax' part, then the confirmed mafia's side.
VE:
VE's case is apparantly good, huh. I never knew.
[1]: "I'll make mistakes, but that's totally not scummy because I warned you! And if my opinions turn out to be bullshit, well it wasn't intentional, okay!?!?" This is just scummy and not part of the association, but I cba to repeat this later.
[2]: "I am suspicious of you for not commenting on VE's case" But that's not all he says with it, he AGAIN underlines how great and grand VE's case is.
[3]: So the case was awesome and everything, but points that are clearly just strewn in to inflate its size are merely "not strong". No need for concern guys. That's totally not something that should give a townie a pause while reading it, it's merely "not strong". And we of course can all understand the motivation for putting it in there, right?? Right??
First part we've heard already I think. Second part is a blatant defense of VE. Quelle surprise.
Then, for a long time, he simply ignores VE.
Once it becomes clear that VE is a very real lynch target and he can do nothing to stop it, time for a tactics switch:
Let's soft-push without commiting to it!
He might not be the role he is, don't believe true things too easily!
I want to call him scummy so I look like I call him out, but obviously I'd rather lynch townies and have no intention of lynching VE! (yes, this translates to me giving both sinani and sno townreads, deal with it)
On VE's side there's not much, but there's something! Almost a miracle with that little activity....
Also known as: Where VE pushes a guy that's suspicious of Vivax.
Coincidence? I think not.
Apart from this, VE never mentions Vivax.
Artanis:
Easy as shit to do interaction, asking basically for a "yes" and a +1.
[1]: "oh yes I totally looked at Artanis and I'm scumhunting and contributing, believe me. But I think a scum is town because [vague annotations about meta], thanks!" Further problems with this: He notes how he misread him in British as a reason for him to be wary of calling him scum. This is complete BS. Vivax has read me 100% wrong in EVERY game we have played together, apart from maybe LX if you want to nitpick, but ofc we were both scum there. DOES THAT MOTIVATE HIM TO REASSESS HIS READ ON ME IN ANY WAY? HELL NO. This is a textbook example of preferrential treatment. And of course, to top it off, he 'believes' Artanis' stupid excuse for not being active in an instant.
[2]: Highlighting the relevant part again: "I don't think you can hold that against Artanis". Of course not. Who would hold anything against Artanis?!?
[3]: "His agressive behavior isn't fake at all! Actually it's not even agressive at all! Actually it's not even behavior! Actually I'm not even town!"
Eh. You get the gist.
[4]: Case on artanis is, obviously, not convincing. Confirmation bias and such. Sure beans.
"Artanis shouldn't be shot. Don't shoot scum. I'd prefer if you shoot trolls and lurkers instead."
Of course he wouldn't shed tears for dead townies. scumslip scumslip ololololololol (writing so much makes me bored, sorry about that)
Wifom argument that the gonzaw shot doesn't implicate Artanis at all. You know who said the same thing? Oh yes, Artanis! Hmmm.
Going after Artanis is also scummy as shit, apparantly.
We've seen the rest a hundred times already by now, only now Shelvocke is included. Who Artanis is currently pushing. Who is clearly getting prepared for a full scum-team push on him here. Just FYI.
Watch out Caller, you gonna get nightkilled.
There are some more threats to Caller about him killing Artanis, but I'm getting lazy.
Artanis' side of things:
Looks entirely unremarkable. It is. It's also never seriously considered or followed up on.
This doesn't actually say anything of value either.
Let's go full confirmation bias and say "Are you saying that like Vivax he rolls scum in 100% of his games regardless of his role PM" is an excuse to excuse Vivax' scummy behavior because he apparantly always does that.
Then his read/list post states:
Oh a townread. Because Vivax is supposedly not playing to either meta, and is apparantly 'cooperative'.
What he forgets though, and continues to forget, is Vivax' scum play in LVIII. Which showed a marked absence of the raving moronic town Vivax we all rightfully hate. Guess what? This town Vivax is also not present in this game. But that little piece of meta will go ignored. Better not bring it up, and hope nobody else does.
*insert 2 one-liners repeating his above read I cba to quote*
LX as the sole hallmark for Vivax' scumplay.
Aren't we forgetting a game?
Luckily, dandy dan is here for you.
So, when I'm obviously implying that he has played like he does this game exactly once before, and it was a scumgame, it would not do to check it and take a stance on that. Of course not.
So yeah Vivax is like, maaaaafia and shit.
Through and through is austrianglish.
