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Vivax
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My idea: We get to an agreement about a few of the towniest mofos based on activity, interest and good ideas, and accept that they will roll the highest possible numbers and nobody who is town must roll the same. That will leave a mixed pool of null/scum. Scum's main target will be to stop these elected townies from having these roles, so they will try to use the same draft, maybe while another teammate sends in other numbers to try and snatch the role. That's where the null townies come into play. They will never use the same numbers as the elected townie mofos, forcing scum to waste their picks on taking away good roles from good townies by using the same numbers, leaving a limited amount of scum who will indeed try to roll good shit, and who has to affront a horde of townies who are less likely to take good roles away from each other. Bad side: People might not give a fuck about the plan, and people might disagree on someone most believe to be town. | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you suggest those "few of the towniest mofos" pick then? Just finished skimming the already gigantic thread (bleh). So I will try to focus on that on the next go. Didn't really pay too much attention to that yet. For now, I'll try to simulate the plan cause I just spat that out spontaneously without playing it through yet. Three most townish mofos get elected, let's say it's VE, Palmar and Caller. Purely hypothetical obviously. Town agrees on this: Palmar 11 Caller 21 VE 31 What can scum do now? They can do 1 2 to reset Palmar back. 2 2 to reset Caller back etc., or try to roll their own shit and just deal with the fact that these people will get these roles. That will leave two mafia who will fight rest of town in the 4 - 24 range to get good roles. And if the elected people don't manage to be first in draft, we will also have confirmation that mafia doesn't want them to have good roles. It's almost like a mayoral election. | ||
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I'll take a look at your options there. Seems like you like to pick the most active ones, but need to check if they're actually proposing malicious ideas. Disagreed on some stuff with sharrant, for example. It's like he wanted to leave "dangerous" roles open for scum. | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter if they proposed good or bad ideas. Mafia is probably not going to push any ideas at all (because they all have a backdoor - because there are so many roles). Everyone pushing ideas regardless if they are good/bad are probably town at this point, especially the guys who are pushing ultimately bad ideas. :D I would probably support you as candidate cause I don't think that there can be mostly mafia among the most active and engaged candidates you proposed, so that makes you look quite townie. ##Pick #1: Rayn  | ||
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Reading OP helped a little with that. The idea is good, there's not really much incentive for mafia to make plans or post at all at this stage. They have an excuse for not being active cause they might say they regard draft discussion as unimportant, so rayn's candidates are good choices. They spontaneously try to get the best out of the game, and if they push bad ideas they might look scummy, as rayn said. Still have to read them in detail, but this argument holds anyway, given that activity and intention to influence thread are there, argument quality aside. | ||
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I suggest everyone makes a list of his top 5 townreads to send in highest numbers, and we find the ones most agree on. If there's someone mostly suggesting scum in his list, we will find out later. That's why scum will try to stop this plan. 1. Rayn 2. Gonzaw 3. Vivax (duh) 4.-5. : To find out. | ||
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Yamato and Mocsta also good candidates, I liked yamato's ideas and mocsta's discussion. | ||
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I would like Palmar and VE to comment on this stuff and tell us who they would like to get the first drafts. Not used to them being so disinterested. | ||
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8 1 here this needs to undergo psychological experimentation. | ||
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@ mocsta Didn't agree with all of rayn's list, sharrant for example. But yamato, you and geript were good calls imo. And I don't think scum would play like rayn did, it's that simple. | ||
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On April 05 2013 20:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Cool Vivax keeps reacting to me calling me scum but never does anything about it. Vivax. who is scum? Do you know why I said you don't read my posts? You seem to have a decent chance at being scum for disruptive play. I'd just not be used to a ballsy scum Oats. | ||
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Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it. obviousone - 234? Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1 Sinani206 - 7, 2 Visceraeyes - 10, 10 Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember strongandbig - 234? same first as caller Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second restraining order - 6, 2 Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+ artanis[xp] - 11 sharrant - 11 gonzaw - 8 Austinmcc - 8 Keirathi - 8 Palmar - 8 Mocsta - 8 Shelvocke - 8 Deconduo - 8 Vivax - 8, 1 Oatmaster - 8, 1 billmurray - either 8 or didn't send Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11 I didn't check yet if Rayn counted the numbers properly, but there's no way two scum both send in 8. So there's at max one scum among the 8 pickers. Not sure if someone is able to get away with claiming fake numbers, we can simply simulate what BC did. So yeah, if you're town and didn't claim your numbers yet, do it. If you don't, you're on my to-lynch list. | ||
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On April 07 2013 06:35 Ghor wrote: Can everyone put the numbers he sent to the hosts into his signature so I can rebuild the list without digging for needles in the haystack? There is no need for you to keep them secret if you are town. If you refute to do so, tell me why please. @ Yamato I don't have a good grasp of the game currently, have only been reading in a half-assed way, currently only know of Oats accusing me but I don't feel like it's worth it to interact with him. If you think I'm scum you also have to automatically give each of the 8x pickers a townread unless you are able to explain why two or more scum would pick the same numbers (which would be trading strong roles for town cred, highly unlikely). Quoted for filter | ||
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On April 07 2013 06:36 geript wrote: Stop this. The time for doing this is over. There is no reason to suspect people solely based off of the numbers they supposedly picked. Don't waste anyone's time with bull like that. No, two scum won't pick the same numbers ever. It's valuable information. Unless you can give rational explanation you have no argument and only want to keep us in the dark. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 07 2013 06:44 Shelvocke wrote: [QUOTE]On April 07 2013 06:40 Vivax wrote: [QUOTE]On April 07 2013 06:36 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On April 07 2013 06:35 Ghor wrote: Can everyone put the numbers he sent to the hosts into his signature so I can rebuild the list without digging for needles in the haystack? There is no need for you to keep them secret if you are town. [/QUOTE] Stop this. The time for doing this is over. There is no reason to suspect people solely based off of the numbers they supposedly picked. Don't waste anyone's time with bull like that.[/QUOTE] No, two scum won't pick the same numbers ever. It's valuable information. Unless you can give rational explanation you have no argument and only want to keep us in the dark.[/QUOTE] In Pick Your Power Insane, three mafia all picked the same first number. It's not a valid argument.[/QUOTE I checked, you're right :S. Kurumi, Chez, Ace, tnkted. Well, back to orthodox methods it is. It looked kinda stupid to do from my perspective cause you trade strong roles for a possible argument in your favor, but looks like there were guys doing that. | ||
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