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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 00:42 GMT
#1918
Lol kita your case was good, no apology necessary just frustrated at my own play for making it easy for that entire bandwagon you started.

So are you saying you'd rather go for Wriggle today than VE?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 02:04 GMT
#1974
I'm almost caught up now but goddamn is this town retarded?
Why the fuck are we allowing all these lurkers who haven't done shit just pop up and try to point the goddamn thread in whatever direction they please?

If you guys are town you should be fucking ashamed of yourselves for being WORSE than useless; you're trying to fucking hinder our progress with your shitty, half-assed cases.

As far as I can tell we need to consolidate right now. It doesn't look as though Wiggles is going to bother coming back, so are we voting SCUM, or POSSIBLE 3RD PARTY??
I believe VE is ahead in the votes right now so if people want Wiggles lynched, better make your cases soon.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 02:08 GMT
#1977
And scib did you not read the thread?
You REALLY think my claim is fake? K.

Mocsta, shut up about glurio, he's useless and yes he's scummy we can lynch him after we figure out the rest of this clusterfuck we call a game.

Are we seriously talking about lynching Coag now too? Good lord.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 02:13 GMT
#1981
From last night's defense of me I saw him as town because he was the only one not directly assuming just because everyone else was that my 'flailing around like an idiot,' as he put it, wasn't due to scumslipping.
I agree he REALLY could be contributing more but there are guiltier parties who have contributed less.

GK I honestly don't know because I think my read on him really depends on what's up with BH. Just like half the thread GK has very little in terms of posting/contribution but I could see town. Seems really unlikely that the logs are fabricated between two scum partners (BH/GK) despite my conspiracy theory post about timestamps that everyone mostly ignored anyway.

My top non-VE lynch right now is Wiggles and will remain as such; I will vote with the town in their infinite wisdom and as the evidence for VE's innocence has been piling up, I'm wondering if I should switch.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 02:16 GMT
#1985
On March 21 2013 11:12 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
And scib did you not read the thread?
You REALLY think my claim is fake? K.

Mocsta, shut up about glurio, he's useless and yes he's scummy we can lynch him after we figure out the rest of this clusterfuck we call a game.

Are we seriously talking about lynching Coag now too? Good lord.

I have read every page of the thread at least once, and I do in fact have major doubts about your claim, as I just said. Maybe I'm wrong though. We'll see D3 I guess.

What about my claim do you doubt? Actually nvm for now we have to get the votes rolling on the proper targets. Will you tell me after the flip? I'll try to ease your doubts but ultimately I guess you're right D3 will tell you.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 02:19 GMT
#1987
On March 21 2013 11:17 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 11:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
From last night's defense of me I saw him as town because he was the only one not directly assuming just because everyone else was that my 'flailing around like an idiot,' as he put it, wasn't due to scumslipping.

Advice for all games... many townies fall into the trap of having a strong town read, on someone who sees them as town (when they are under threat)

Please consider: scum *know* your alignment; town *think* they know your alignment.

Its up to you to make the judgement on whether the town read is genuine; or falsified.

I don't see it being a smart move on scum's part to defend me when I looked as scummy as I did. If I had flipped blue sure he could've been all like 'SEE I TOLD YOU GUYS,' but then if you're the only person defending me when the rest of the thread, town and scum agrees to vote me, that doesn't look very good for the reasons you described, does it?

As for VE/Wiggles cases I'll see what I can find and consolidate but not only is that going to be difficult for me to sift through since the VE reads aren't mine and I don't remember who else made Wiggles cases, but also because I don't know myself which of the two I'll be voting yet.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:07 GMT
#2016
Everyone is just pushing their own agenda here since we have half the thread that looks scummy and lurked to choose from.
I don't suppose the fact that I believe Wriggles to be scummy means anything to anyone since VE has gotten on board and no one trusts him huh?
On March 20 2013 12:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Let's see who's the next sheep that needs to be sheared?
Wiggle?
You're scum.
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Kita, what do you think of WoS' flip on his reads?

He goes from being super-sure that Zarepath is scum and saying I'm his strongest town read, even baiting Zare into saying I'm scum to call him scum again, to wanting to lynch him as the day started, to agreeing with him, when all he did was reiterate the same stuff he said about me last night. So his read on him goes from scum -> town, and the last thing he's saying about him, is that something he did looks scummy. As for me, he's saying I'm town, and then that I'm scum, when all that happened is I made two posts at night, where I said I wasn't going to post reads, and was inactive for a while. His reads did a complete 180s, and the flips happened in line with what's popular at the time.

This is the most activity and pushing you've done since the beginning of the game. Before this it's been all
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 07:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


As for not having a bunch of scum reads, the state of the game is a big mess right now. I need to read more.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 07:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, I'm back.

About the Peashooter case. Can someone point out the scum motivations in his posting to me? I see there's a case, but some of it seems like it's on an emotional basis, and some it's based on activity, neither of which I see as being valid for calling him scum. Reading through his posts, I don't see scum motivation though. He's not trying to misdirect us, and he's not trying that much to fit in and hide. The feeling I get from him is that he's just pretty angry, but it seem honest. For example, he got all mad at Coag, but then later he gets all mad at Kenpachi for similar reasons. So, he's consistent with it.

Deleted a bit about layabout, I like his recent posting.

I'm waiting on a couple of other people to continue posting. I'd like to see how they react to recent developments.


As for VE/BH, I don't want to lynch into them right now. I'd rather let scum or vigs sort them out for us. I find them hard to read, because they play very emotionally, and they do/say a lot of things I find scummy/disagree with from a play perspective on a regular basis. If VE was actually shot, and BH is a mason, then scum will have to go after them sooner or later. If they don't, they're either going to start to doing good work as town, or else they're going to out themselves as scum, because if I remember right, their scum play isn't the greatest compared to their town play. I think we can find better targets for today.

I'm going to do some stuff, and then read through some of the other posters who haven't really caught my attention or who have been avoiding the spotlight. I feel there's a good chance of finding scum among them
.

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 13:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Town my soul to keep,
If I shall die before I wake,
I pray the Town my soul to take.


On March 19 2013 12:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 19 2013 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Considering I nearly fell asleep writing the personality endgame post I'm going to have to call it a night. Hope to see you all in the morning!

NOOOO WHAT IF YOU DIIIEIEEEEEEE?!??!?!?

Then he'll really be dead tired

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH




I haven't really read too deeply since night time. I've been sort of skimming over the thread and reading a bit more for certain posts/posters, but that's it right now. I won't be awake to post stuff right before the deadline, so I've weighed between posting some stuff now about reads or just waiting, and I've opted to wait. I'm waiting to see what happens with the day post, and I haven't really gotten to pay close attention to the reactions to the GreY flip. Any post I make won't be much better than a Day 1 read, so I don't think it will help much as compared to the possibility of it becoming WIFOM if I die.

I noticed some people questioning my decision making regarding GreY's lynch, and my last post before the flip, so I'll go a bit into my thought process. Basically, GreY was someone I was watching throughout the day. I thought he was scummy, and Ryu's post lined up a lot with what I was thinking about him. I wanted to see how GreY would react or try to defend himself, but unfortunately he never did. He just gave up, which put us in a crappy situation, because you can either weigh it as a townie giving up, or as a mafia ploy. Based on how he acted earlier, I concluded he was more likely to be scum, and voted for him. I said it was a bad situation, because when he just martyrs himself and acts apathetically, he doesn't give us anything else to work with, and you can't just drop the case because he stopped posting.

I'll watch the thread for a little less than an hour if anyone has questions about some things for me. I don't really want to post a list of reads though.


Boy oh BOY have YOU been useful. Annother one who just sits back, makes noncomittal reads and posts and waits for everyone else to do his scum work for him. And you have the AUDACITY to call ME out on this shit?
Laughable. Just fucking laughable.


He comes back once during the day to post this in response to me:
On March 20 2013 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey everyone, look how mad I am! I must be town, because I'm sooooooooooooooo frustrated!

I'm tired of people making cases on me based on me not sitting on my ass playing mafia all day to the exclusion of other things. You don't see me blowing up. Because stupid emotional appeals are shit play or scum trying to worm out of a lynch.

##Vote: WaveofShadow

Making excuses for his lack of contribution, calling me out for emotionally appealing when he is essentially doing the EXACT SAME THING IN THE SAME POST.

I honestly don't understand how no one is seeing this.

Also how in BLUE FUCK did TPS slip under the radar again?
On March 21 2013 09:31 ThePeashooter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 23:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 20 2013 23:42 zarepath wrote:
Wait, so Wave, you can DT somebody and you learn their role and their alignment?

Apparently so? There is a circumstance where I think this may not be true since again, my PM says nothing about alignment, but my rolecheck result surprised me.

To elaborate on this, since it's probably relevant. He got my role as "Fool" and one fool has already flipped so that must of struck him as odd. I'm still on page 79 so I have a bit to catch up on.

That was hours ago. I know I read him as town but FUCK. How in the hell are we ever going to win this game if we have townies like this guy??
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:09 GMT
#2022
On March 21 2013 12:08 Vivax wrote:
WoS that guy is your green DT check how is it a concern for you that he slips under the radar?

Maybe your claim was fake after all.

No, I'm pissed that it's the same people contributing. Mafia don't even have to NK half of our townies because they don't do anything and we're going to lose because of it.

Let me read into GK, DP.

I'm so frustrated with this game.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:10 GMT
#2023
On March 21 2013 12:09 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
That was hours ago. I know I read him as town but FUCK. How in the hell are we ever going to win this game if we have townies like this guy??


You read him as town?

Lol I was right, you DIDN'T read the thread.
You assume my blue claim was false but you have no idea what I fucking did with my role?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:15 GMT
#2031
Wiggles I fucking hate you. Where the fuck was shit like this for the first few days?
You people wonder why I don't make cases and just sheep, shit like this is why. I can barely throw something coherent together and when I do I get shit on. A guy who doesn't contribute at all and barely shows up does one thing which will probably essentially remove all suspicion of him and any chance of him getting lynched tonight.

Just tell me who to vote for and I'll do it; I'm dead tomorrow night anyway.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:17 GMT
#2032
On March 21 2013 12:14 sciberbia wrote:
@WoS
I did read the thread and I know you claim to have investigated TPS. Which is why it's odd to me that you bring him up as useless and say you "read" him as town when if you are a cop then you know for a fact he is town. Anyway, you are not the lynch today so I'm dropping this.

I will read Wiggles's case and probably end up consolidating onto GK unless it is like the best case I've ever read.

Oh please. 'Read,' "Checked,' same thing. All the info is out there. If every case against me is going to be built on semantics then you guys may as well policy lynch me from the start of every game considering how many mistakes I make.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:18 GMT
#2033
DP I'm trusting you with this.
Unvote: Mr. Wiggles
Vote: Goodkarma
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:22 GMT
#2035
Regarding the mirror, whoever it was obviously knew he was risking being outed at any time and chose his rolename accordingly. If he is a different role other than the Mirror he risks being counterclaimed since no one knows what the roles are. So if 'the Mirror' is not ACTUALLY the mirror he must know what the mirror really is.

TL;DR The Mirror is likely the true role of whoever masoned VE; it's just a matter of what alignment they are.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:26 GMT
#2039
On March 21 2013 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Three of you just switched to Good Karma in the last twenty minutes. He only has four votes. Why can't we kill Ace again?

I'd rather trust DP with my vote than you, honestly.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 03:41 GMT
#2051
On March 21 2013 12:39 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 12:31 Mocsta wrote:
On March 21 2013 12:26 goodkarma wrote:
I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote?

WTF is this shit dude

thats one of the best ways to catch scum

force them to make quick decisions especially if we voting for one of them...


Maybe if people were actually around. But with the weird hour of this deadline, that's not necessarily the case...

Oh really?
If you had been around at all during the day, you'd probably know that this is probably the most people we've had actively posting in the thread all day.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 04:20 GMT
#2090
There are plenty of other people who did the exact same thing as well.
Look at Ryu, kita, Wiggles, glurio--- plenty of people posting cases without a great deal of followup.
I'm not voting cc today, I'd much rather vote glurio first who does the exact same thing but posts once per day and fucks off.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 04:20 GMT
#2091
EBWOP: my post is @Scib
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 04:34 GMT
#2113
On March 21 2013 13:32 TranceStorm wrote:
Holy hell. Where were you to post that case a few hours ago Wiggles? Its certainly the best case I've seen yet for this lynch -> Ace has done next to nothing this game besides post a few vague suspicions and jump onto the VE lynch. The most damning evidence I've seen yet, as Wiggles points out, is the fact that Ace says "We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb.", but does no analysis or anything else during the entire day! Voting for VE certainly cannot have been too taxing on his part, why not help the town out?

This is the scummiest shit I've ever seen.
I am convinced no one in this game knows how to play town or something.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 04:37 GMT
#2116
On March 21 2013 13:35 TranceStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 21 2013 13:32 TranceStorm wrote:
Holy hell. Where were you to post that case a few hours ago Wiggles? Its certainly the best case I've seen yet for this lynch -> Ace has done next to nothing this game besides post a few vague suspicions and jump onto the VE lynch. The most damning evidence I've seen yet, as Wiggles points out, is the fact that Ace says "We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb.", but does no analysis or anything else during the entire day! Voting for VE certainly cannot have been too taxing on his part, why not help the town out?

This is the scummiest shit I've ever seen.
I am convinced no one in this game knows how to play town or something.

Really? How is Ace defensible? What's wrong with Wiggles' case against him?

It had nothing to do with Ace being defensible or Wiggles' case, it's your shameless +1 without adding anything at all.
'HAY GUYS DIS CASE RL GOOD I SHOW U WHY' and then you literally repeat what is in Wriggle's post.

Which of you guys was it who found TS scummy again? I can't keep track of anything anymore in this thread.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 04:53 GMT
#2128
On March 21 2013 13:47 TranceStorm wrote:
Look. I read through all of the cases, and with all of them there is some doubt as to how true they might be. I cannot see any reason why not to vote for Ace. Everyone else who hasn't voted for him gives some skimpy reason for not doing so. For example, Mocsta argues that Hopeless1der didn't appear to be that scummy. That doesn't matter, if someone appears to be town on D1, but really scummy on D2 that shouldn't mean that you should withhold your vote.

This may be the worst reasoning for a vote I have ever heard.
First of all, can you name all the people who haven't voted for Ace and their skimpy reasoning?
You know what, I'll help you out: me.
My reasoning was that Wriggle made the case and I don't trust him after contributing nothing all day and saving it all up to blow his load and fuck with thread sentiment right before deadline. You say if someone appears town but scummy on D2 I shouldn't withhold my vote...well that's precisely what I thought of Wriggle this entire day. Should I vote for him?

What's YOUR reason for voting Ace? Not Wriggle's not Mocsta's not mine, not Vivax's, YOURS. Don't tell me why it's dumb other people aren't voting for him, and especially don't give shitty reasons as to why it's dumb. For fuck sakes you YOURSELF had a scumread on Wiggle and you turn it around without a second thought?
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