On March 21 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote:
U gonna throw jabs.. or follow me with a vote, bish
U gonna throw jabs.. or follow me with a vote, bish
yeah i'm tired of dealing with this obvscum and his 'tude
##unvote
##vote testsubject893
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 04:11 GMT
#2081
On March 21 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2013 13:00 Wade Fell wrote: On March 21 2013 12:59 TestSubject893 wrote: You're right that I don't have a heavy emotional investment in this game, I don't really want to be playing because dealing with BH is the opposite of fun. You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias. yeah well dealing with you is the opposite of productive U gonna throw jabs.. or follow me with a vote, bish yeah i'm tired of dealing with this obvscum and his 'tude ##unvote ##vote testsubject893 | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10819 Posts
March 21 2013 04:14 GMT
#2082
On March 21 2013 12:59 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2013 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: I don't like matyring and right or not I view it as scummy. Hell I think I even said something about WoS matyring. I understand his view and I think it could come from town DP.. lets constructively talk about this. two things can happen you make me realise im being tunneled OR i make you realise you are being "soft" =========== What was the point of making the martyr comment? In my opinion, because he wants to provide justification for the +1 vote. I dont see anything wrong with that, image is important regardless of alignment. So it comes down to the justification.. Its severely flawed as I have pointed out. A townie is more willing to look at both sides of the fence before coming to a conclusion. This guy imemdiately takes the negative representation.. with no clear context in his filter for wanting to hammer GreyMist in that manner. This is why i think its scummy. He saw that GreyMist was basically dead, and decided to kick him whilst on the floor. heaps of people piled onto grey mist when he was popular the same is true for me WoS and Viscera Eyes. I don't view the vote onto greymist as enough to lynch him period. and there are several people I would like to lynch before him. Please trust me on goodkarma. I will look at test subject and whoever else you want me to look at tomorrow. But the reality of the situation is. We should not lynch VE. He is the leading candidate. We should consolidate onto goodkarma, lynch scum, and avoid a VE lynch. | ||
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
March 21 2013 04:14 GMT
#2083
Is ANYONE in the thread right now not at least leaning scum on cosmicomics? Look at how he goes about scum hunting D1: On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote: On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote: On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote: Sandro: I don't like this post. Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red. What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly? ##Vote: DarthPunk On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote: Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first. Show nested quote + On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote: On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote: On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote: On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote: On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote: Sandro: I don't like this post. Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red. What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly? ##Vote: DarthPunk LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote ##Vote:Cosmicomics Explain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote: On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote: DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him? First of all, he doesn't do any scuhunting when he originally enters the thread. Then, we he was ASKED about DP, he sheeped onto an IMO shitty case and voted him. Respond to question and get your vote down. Two birds with 1 stone amirite. Then, he unvotes DP when the wagon loses steam with almost nonexistant reasoning for thinking DP isn't scum anymore: On March 18 2013 10:21 cosmicomics wrote: Yea I don't think DarthPunk is the lynch anymore. Just stubborn, but in a consistent townie way. Upon review VE's case does look pretty bad. ##Unvote: DarthPunk I'll be looking into the alternatives to decide. He was continually saying how DP was scum and lying about some stupid shit at the start of the game. But now suddenly DP is stubborn and townie. And VE's case wasn't even the reason CC was voting DP in the first place. VE posted his case after CC voted DP twice. On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote: WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed. I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel. I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime. This post scummy as mentioned by others. Finally, on D2, CC's big contribution was a massive case on VE. And VE has been the focus of discussion all day. But where is CC? Not here talking about. I pose my question again: Is anyone not at least leaning scum on CC I think that is a very important quality in a consolidation candidate. | ||
Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
March 21 2013 04:15 GMT
#2084
On March 21 2013 13:01 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2013 13:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Like look at Ace's language. "Look at it from our perspective. See things the way we see them." Look at ideas he's promoting:
But do you know who Ace thinks is scum? No? Because he doesn't mention finding scum at all, or find anything suspicious. He was "catching up" until my thing and now he's all "LYNCH VE HURRY QUICK HE CLAIMED 3P" [rant]Like, I'm town. Regardless of what you think of the Mirror, I am town. Who cares what it says in those mason logs? They're MASON LOGS. But Ace is pushing this idea that "Oh VE has OBVIOUSLY got to be 3P now." Why? I'm not obviously 3P what kind of 3P even THINKS of posting hsi logs ADMITTING it? I declined joining his fucking cult, it doesn't matter what the logs say. SCUM SHOT ME YESTERDAY YOU FUCK[/rant] I said it before... Wiggles case reads nice and all but if ace is scum.. hopless1der is scum. I want to see why hopeless1der is scum.. cos id ont recall anyone having him as a scum read. Why do I have to do that? Regardless of how hopeless1der played, I read Ace as scum based on his own play since he replaced in the game. If I go back and look at Hopeless1der, I'm just going to end up with an analysis riddled with confirmation bias anyways because I already think Ace is scum. I don't see how it's useful to my case against Ace. You said it yourself, if Ace is scum, Hopeless1der is scum, which means that I'm going to read him that way because I'm already biased against him. Instead, can you tell me something Hopeless1der did that makes Ace town despite my analysis? Because I skimmed through his filter, and I'm not seeing anything worthy of exonerating him. | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10819 Posts
March 21 2013 04:16 GMT
#2085
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 04:18 GMT
#2086
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 04:19 GMT
#2087
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Mocsta
Australia8809 Posts
March 21 2013 04:19 GMT
#2088
another way of looking at the vote is this Town are looking to vote scum *always* Scum ideally are looking fro *safe* votes.. safe is based on thread sentiment, and can imply starting, joining or hammering the bandwagon To me, GM posts were townie, until the martyring.. the combination of lurking + martyring, gave credence to a vote on GM. Based on how shitty/leaderless Day1 was, i can understand a vote on GM. Kenpachi +1'd, Testsubject +1'd, Wos +1'd. kenpachi i got no idea bout . another then i heard hes a troll This is WoS martyr follow up vote On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: As for GM, he holds something in common with zare, in that he also brings up suspicion against me, calls me scummier than DarthPunk, doesn't back it up, and then ignores me completely. His AHA! post reeks of bad towny play (stupid gambit is stupid), but isn't Grey supposed to be a mafia veteran? That kind of 'trap' is something that zare tried to spring on the rest of the town AS a townie in NMM 37 but it only ended up muddling up the whole thread for that day and accomplishing nothing. Greymist's trap seems like an easy way to hide behind the fact that he couldn't be assed to contribute in a positive way and to jump on the first person to call him out for being gone (whether for legit reasons or not) as others have pointed out. ##Vote GreYMisT Whilst i disagree with the conclusion..(and so did the flip) it is still a *reasonable* mindset to have on the situation. I dont see a problem with this vote. Contrast with TestSubject On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say. GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him. ##Vote: GreYMisT This is a guy who doesnt give a shit.. wants to blend in.. and throws in some "sounds good at first glance" reasoning to feel all safe... Kenpachi is low on time.. but his vote is blunt and to the point.. it shows confidence On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote: So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Im not getting that with TestSubject.. the vote is meek.. the vote has a flawed premise (which i believe is intentional).. and the vote comes at a time where TestSubject will not be scrutinised. As proven by Day2 play... TestSubject loves to de-lurk when called out.. and he is playing SAFE. Mentality that is all aligned with scum play. This is why i think TestSubject is scum. | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10819 Posts
March 21 2013 04:19 GMT
#2089
On March 21 2013 13:19 Wade Fell wrote: Also GK lynch is 1) bad and 2) not happening Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his? | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
March 21 2013 04:20 GMT
#2090
Look at Ryu, kita, Wiggles, glurio--- plenty of people posting cases without a great deal of followup. I'm not voting cc today, I'd much rather vote glurio first who does the exact same thing but posts once per day and fucks off. | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
March 21 2013 04:20 GMT
#2091
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 04:20 GMT
#2092
##Unvote ##Vote: Ace When I tried to write a case on Wiggles I found that I was just making shit up each time. I just want to live. But I toooootes think Ace is scum. I did before Wiggles case, but I too scared | ||
Mocsta
Australia8809 Posts
March 21 2013 04:21 GMT
#2093
On March 21 2013 13:14 sciberbia wrote: OK we really need to consolidate. I have no idea what the votecount is at, but I'd imagine there are still several votes on VE and Wiggles. For those of us who don't like those two candidates, we need a candidate to consolidate on. ace/GK/testsubject have all been thrown out there, but there are disagreements. Personally, I'm nullish on all 3. You guys have given meta reads on all 3 that I could choose to trust in, but as far as in-thread evidence, I'm nullish. Did you read what I wrote? my case is based exactly on in-game behaviour. Why are you trying to derail the therad further by springing in another person. I did not make a meta read on TestSubject sciberbia..... | ||
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 04:21 GMT
#2094
On March 21 2013 13:19 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2013 13:19 Wade Fell wrote: Also GK lynch is 1) bad and 2) not happening Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his? show me how this is a scum trait of his? he's more quiet as town, especially early | ||
Mocsta
Australia8809 Posts
March 21 2013 04:22 GMT
#2095
On March 21 2013 13:14 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2013 12:59 Mocsta wrote: On March 21 2013 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: I don't like matyring and right or not I view it as scummy. Hell I think I even said something about WoS matyring. I understand his view and I think it could come from town DP.. lets constructively talk about this. two things can happen you make me realise im being tunneled OR i make you realise you are being "soft" =========== What was the point of making the martyr comment? In my opinion, because he wants to provide justification for the +1 vote. I dont see anything wrong with that, image is important regardless of alignment. So it comes down to the justification.. Its severely flawed as I have pointed out. A townie is more willing to look at both sides of the fence before coming to a conclusion. This guy imemdiately takes the negative representation.. with no clear context in his filter for wanting to hammer GreyMist in that manner. This is why i think its scummy. He saw that GreyMist was basically dead, and decided to kick him whilst on the floor. heaps of people piled onto grey mist when he was popular the same is true for me WoS and Viscera Eyes. I don't view the vote onto greymist as enough to lynch him period. and there are several people I would like to lynch before him. Please trust me on goodkarma. I will look at test subject and whoever else you want me to look at tomorrow. But the reality of the situation is. We should not lynch VE. He is the leading candidate. We should consolidate onto goodkarma, lynch scum, and avoid a VE lynch. Look.. if i cant get support on TestSubject. I will consolidate on gk.. but I truly believe TestSubject has a better chance to flip... his defense doesnt even address properly what I came up with. And i dont have a problem he voted GM. lots of ppl did.. its how he went about it.. it doesnt speak town to me at all. its a SAFE vote that has been thrown in a SAFE way to beldn in. | ||
TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
March 21 2013 04:23 GMT
#2096
On March 21 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote: DP another way of looking at the vote is this Town are looking to vote scum *always* Scum ideally are looking fro *safe* votes.. safe is based on thread sentiment, and can imply starting, joining or hammering the bandwagon To me, GM posts were townie, until the martyring.. the combination of lurking + martyring, gave credence to a vote on GM. Based on how shitty/leaderless Day1 was, i can understand a vote on GM. This is simply not true. Tons of people saw his posts as scummy, including myself. The fact that your entire push for me is based on this shows that the whole thing is flawed. Kenpachi +1'd, Testsubject +1'd, Wos +1'd. kenpachi i got no idea bout . another then i heard hes a troll This is WoS martyr follow up vote Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: As for GM, he holds something in common with zare, in that he also brings up suspicion against me, calls me scummier than DarthPunk, doesn't back it up, and then ignores me completely. His AHA! post reeks of bad towny play (stupid gambit is stupid), but isn't Grey supposed to be a mafia veteran? That kind of 'trap' is something that zare tried to spring on the rest of the town AS a townie in NMM 37 but it only ended up muddling up the whole thread for that day and accomplishing nothing. Greymist's trap seems like an easy way to hide behind the fact that he couldn't be assed to contribute in a positive way and to jump on the first person to call him out for being gone (whether for legit reasons or not) as others have pointed out. ##Vote GreYMisT Whilst i disagree with the conclusion..(and so did the flip) it is still a *reasonable* mindset to have on the situation. I dont see a problem with this vote. Contrast with TestSubject Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say. GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him. ##Vote: GreYMisT This is a guy who doesnt give a shit.. wants to blend in.. and throws in some "sounds good at first glance" reasoning to feel all safe... Kenpachi is low on time.. but his vote is blunt and to the point.. it shows confidence Show nested quote + On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote: So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Im not getting that with TestSubject.. the vote is meek.. the vote has a flawed premise (which i believe is intentional).. and the vote comes at a time where TestSubject will not be scrutinised. As proven by Day2 play... TestSubject loves to de-lurk when called out.. and he is playing SAFE. Mentality that is all aligned with scum play. You think this is me playing safe? Did you see last game? You're pressuring me more in this post than everyone last game did combined, and I did it all while avoiding getting killed at night too. This is not my "safe" game play. | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10819 Posts
March 21 2013 04:24 GMT
#2097
On March 21 2013 13:21 Wade Fell wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2013 13:19 DarthPunk wrote: On March 21 2013 13:19 Wade Fell wrote: Also GK lynch is 1) bad and 2) not happening Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his? show me how this is a scum trait of his? he's more quiet as town, especially early it's not early. It's the end of day 2 and he has done sweet fuck all. You should know from coaching GK that he does not play like this as town. GK tries to take charge of the scum hunt as town. This game he is just hanging out in the background sheeping onto cases again and again blending in and being useless. | ||
Mocsta
Australia8809 Posts
March 21 2013 04:24 GMT
#2098
On March 21 2013 13:15 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Touche, and fair pointShow nested quote + On March 21 2013 13:01 Mocsta wrote: On March 21 2013 13:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Like look at Ace's language. "Look at it from our perspective. See things the way we see them." Look at ideas he's promoting:
But do you know who Ace thinks is scum? No? Because he doesn't mention finding scum at all, or find anything suspicious. He was "catching up" until my thing and now he's all "LYNCH VE HURRY QUICK HE CLAIMED 3P" [rant]Like, I'm town. Regardless of what you think of the Mirror, I am town. Who cares what it says in those mason logs? They're MASON LOGS. But Ace is pushing this idea that "Oh VE has OBVIOUSLY got to be 3P now." Why? I'm not obviously 3P what kind of 3P even THINKS of posting hsi logs ADMITTING it? I declined joining his fucking cult, it doesn't matter what the logs say. SCUM SHOT ME YESTERDAY YOU FUCK[/rant] I said it before... Wiggles case reads nice and all but if ace is scum.. hopless1der is scum. I want to see why hopeless1der is scum.. cos id ont recall anyone having him as a scum read. Why do I have to do that? Regardless of how hopeless1der played, I read Ace as scum based on his own play since he replaced in the game. If I go back and look at Hopeless1der, I'm just going to end up with an analysis riddled with confirmation bias anyways because I already think Ace is scum. I don't see how it's useful to my case against Ace. You said it yourself, if Ace is scum, Hopeless1der is scum, which means that I'm going to read him that way because I'm already biased against him. Instead, can you tell me something Hopeless1der did that makes Ace town despite my analysis? Because I skimmed through his filter, and I'm not seeing anything worthy of exonerating him. I didnt see anything that struck a chord as scummy when reading day 1. Is hopeles1der a solid scum player? or a sandroba type - lurks as scum guy? | ||
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 04:25 GMT
#2099
On March 21 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2013 13:21 Wade Fell wrote: On March 21 2013 13:19 DarthPunk wrote: On March 21 2013 13:19 Wade Fell wrote: Also GK lynch is 1) bad and 2) not happening Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his? show me how this is a scum trait of his? he's more quiet as town, especially early it's not early. It's the end of day 2 and he has done sweet fuck all. You should know from coaching GK that he does not play like this as town. GK tries to take charge of the scum hunt as town. This game he is just hanging out in the background sheeping onto cases again and again blending in and being useless. He's literally aggro as fuck and flings reads around rather than being contemplative and slow when he is scum. I've demonstrated this. You've played with him and you knwo this. Stop misreading him. | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10819 Posts
March 21 2013 04:26 GMT
#2100
On March 21 2013 13:25 Wade Fell wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote: On March 21 2013 13:21 Wade Fell wrote: On March 21 2013 13:19 DarthPunk wrote: On March 21 2013 13:19 Wade Fell wrote: Also GK lynch is 1) bad and 2) not happening Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his? show me how this is a scum trait of his? he's more quiet as town, especially early it's not early. It's the end of day 2 and he has done sweet fuck all. You should know from coaching GK that he does not play like this as town. GK tries to take charge of the scum hunt as town. This game he is just hanging out in the background sheeping onto cases again and again blending in and being useless. He's literally aggro as fuck and flings reads around rather than being contemplative and slow when he is scum. I've demonstrated this. You've played with him and you knwo this. Stop misreading him. He comes across as careful and overly crafted when he plays scum. That is literally how BC caught him in Liquid city. | ||
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