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On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
i am highly tempted by testsubj
gk still town for reasons mentioned
zare has been silent in mason qt for long time dunno what his problem is
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On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never.
His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city.
additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today.
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On March 21 2013 12:26 goodkarma wrote:So I come back to see DP proposing a lynch, with the only justification being this: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:19 DarthPunk wrote:
OK Goodkarma is being useless this game. I know goodkarma and he is NEVER useless as town.
##Vote: Goodkarma I believe you're over-romanticizing that game. I solved the game all in one go, with one post identifying the remaining two scum on day four... As for being "useless," I wouldn't say I've been useless this game. If you were to look through my filter you should have figured that out... Have I had that ground-breaking case post this game that makes everyone's jaws drop? Not yet, but that doesn't make me scum. If you're going to make a case against me, at least put some effort into it to show exactly how I'm scum rather than some one-liner. I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote?
Well if u want to know a damn good reason
Frankly. i agreed with GreyMist breakdown of why you made a case on him.
You found an easy target that was lurking; and never responded back to Sandroba, thus there was a high likelihood he wouldnt play back with you.
How is this part of the pro-town atmosphere you were spewing when you tried to shit over teh SAST.
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On March 21 2013 12:26 goodkarma wrote:
I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote?
WTF is this shit dude
thats one of the best ways to catch scum
force them to make quick decisions especially if we voting for one of them...
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On March 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today.
U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone.
i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him?
To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident)
Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all.
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lynching testsubj is good
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On March 21 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today. U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone. i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him? To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident) Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all.
I'll take a look. but from memory his posts made sense to me.
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On March 21 2013 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Three of you just switched to Good Karma in the last twenty minutes. He only has four votes. Why can't we kill Ace again?
There's like honestly no reason...
What you just posted makes sense to me. The "not useful" meta argument I had doesn't seem to hold water, as I believe this is a solid case. While your day one was very scummy, as was some of your wishy-washy reads from today, I feel your case deserves consideration.
Unfortunately, time is short. I'm going to change my vote while I look further into this.:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ace
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On March 21 2013 12:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:26 goodkarma wrote:
I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote? WTF is this shit dude thats one of the best ways to catch scum force them to make quick decisions especially if we voting for one of them...
Maybe if people were actually around. But with the weird hour of this deadline, that's not necessarily the case...
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On March 21 2013 12:37 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Three of you just switched to Good Karma in the last twenty minutes. He only has four votes. Why can't we kill Ace again? There's like honestly no reason... What you just posted makes sense to me. The "not useful" meta argument I had doesn't seem to hold water, as I believe this is a solid case. While your day one was very scummy, as was some of your wishy-washy reads from today, I feel your case deserves consideration. Unfortunately, time is short. I'm going to change my vote while I look further into this.: ##Unvote
##Vote: Ace
I don't get why we're voting ace
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On March 21 2013 12:39 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:31 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 12:26 goodkarma wrote:
I'm not liking how we're splitting up our votes yet again RIGHT BEFORE the lynch deadline. Like how the hell are we supposed to catch scum when we divide up everything so nicely for scum to manipulate the vote? WTF is this shit dude thats one of the best ways to catch scum force them to make quick decisions especially if we voting for one of them... Maybe if people were actually around. But with the weird hour of this deadline, that's not necessarily the case...
Oh really?
If you had been around at all during the day, you'd probably know that this is probably the most people we've had actively posting in the thread all day.
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To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1.
TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it).
His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that
the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different.
TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me
The big problem was this though:
On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:
Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.
GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.
##Vote: GreYMisT
I'm not sure why DP was getting so much heat earlier, I was happy with his explanation and liked his case against VE. VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.
I've been putting some thought into BH too and he's definitely someone I'm leaning more and more scum on. He seems to be of the mentality that he's made up his mind on who is scum (apparently me included, for daring to disagree with the mighty BH) and he'll come up with reasons for it later. It made sense last game when he was a cop, but even if he is one this game he can't have checked yet. It adds up to scummy play in my eyes.
Geript and zare have not done themselves any favors either. They still look bad and worse.
His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred
The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum
THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning.
Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this.
He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM.
In fact.. i cant walk away from this.
##Unvote
##VOTE: TESTSUBJECT
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Read testsubjects filter. Don't want to lynch him. he is a null read.
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I like your case on Ace, MrWiggles, I like it a lot. It also doesn't hurt that you happen to agree with me on the scum mason thing.
Unvote: Mr. Wiggles
Vote: Ace
To add to your point of him trying to get us to talk about fruitless subjects here is an exchange that could very well have been exactly that:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 16:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, that instantly makes me like a zarepath lynch much less. On March 19 2013 16:05 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 16:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, that instantly makes me like a zarepath lynch much less. same  On March 19 2013 16:06 Ace wrote:
why? On March 19 2013 16:12 Ace wrote:
How does Keirathi's death paint zarepath as innocent? On March 19 2013 16:26 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 16:07 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 16:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, that instantly makes me like a zarepath lynch much less. Im not following? Its all WIFOM right? If you want more WIFOM, Kei just caught VE in hydra.... Yes, my thinking could be reduced to WIFOM but here it is anyways. Scum priorities for NKs tend to fall along what threatens them the most balanced with a risk/reward assessment. If zare is scum, then the people threatening him right now are myself, Scib, and Vivax (off the top of my head). Vivax might be slightly less of a threat, as people have repeatedly ignored some of the things he says. But both Scib and I are extremely hard lynches at the moment, being considered townie by practically all of the thread (if I have read correctly). This makes Scib and I, and to a lesser degree, Vivax, logical targets IF zarepath is scum, and IF he was feeling the pressure. BH is another logical target if his roleclaim is true (I think it is, but can't be 100% sure). Now consider possible Medic protections. BH has claimed blue which could likely pull a medic's attention. Scib is probably the most townie and biggest threat in general, also a good chance of protection. But that still leaves myself and Vivax as pretty safe targets. Yes, this is WIFOM, but if I was scum this is how I would sift possible targets IF I was worried about zare getting lynched D2. Instead we get a Keirathi kill. A good kill because he is a solid town player, but by killing a replacement player who had very little time to put forth his opinions my guess is that scum is less worried about the track town is currently on, and more worried about a new voice providing a course correction.
Ace tried to get responses from scib and I that lay out WIFOM thinking that is generally unhelpful, and could potentially waste the time of town if it hadn't been shut down quickly by BH and Moc after I indulged. There are other explanations, but for any of them to work Ace would have had to follow through with his questions in one form or another, he does not.
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ugh we need to consolidate. I will not vote for test subject.
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On March 21 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote:To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1. TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it). His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different. TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me The big problem was this though: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:
Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.
GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.
##Vote: GreYMisT
I'm not sure why DP was getting so much heat earlier, I was happy with his explanation and liked his case against VE. VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.
I've been putting some thought into BH too and he's definitely someone I'm leaning more and more scum on. He seems to be of the mentality that he's made up his mind on who is scum (apparently me included, for daring to disagree with the mighty BH) and he'll come up with reasons for it later. It made sense last game when he was a cop, but even if he is one this game he can't have checked yet. It adds up to scummy play in my eyes.
Geript and zare have not done themselves any favors either. They still look bad and worse. His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning. Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this. He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM. In fact.. i cant walk away from this. ##Unvote##VOTE: TESTSUBJECT
You walked into the room and took a piece of my heart
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On March 21 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today. U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone. i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him? To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident) Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all.
Show me where my "decision choices are scummy motivated". Hell, tell me why the timing of my vote was suspicious while you're at it. You're just throwing accusations around without any backing because my name has come up lately. I honestly don't know what you're talking about with either, so how am I supposed to show you you're wrong?
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So I'm gonna be super clear: I'm chill with a TestSubj lynch, though I find a VE lynch somewhat but not hugely preferable. That being said, we are close to deadline and need to consolidate.
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On March 21 2013 12:45 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today. U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone. i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him? To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident) Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all. Show me where my "decision choices are scummy motivated". Hell, tell me why the timing of my vote was suspicious while you're at it. You're just throwing accusations around without any backing because my name has come up lately. I honestly don't know what you're talking about with either, so how am I supposed to show you you're wrong? Honey
Already did it.
P.S
NICE DE-LURK
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On March 21 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:45 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today. U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone. i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him? To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident) Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all. Show me where my "decision choices are scummy motivated". Hell, tell me why the timing of my vote was suspicious while you're at it. You're just throwing accusations around without any backing because my name has come up lately. I honestly don't know what you're talking about with either, so how am I supposed to show you you're wrong? Honey Already did it. P.S NICE DE-LURK
yeah in case it hasn't been clear testsubj hasn't really been "in the bathroom" or wherever, he's carousing with his scumbuddies in the scum QT and comes back when people start to bite and that's it.
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