EPTi used the word syllogism to show why the fucker is scum
thats worthy of sheeping my vote
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Mocsta
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i used the word syllogism to show why the fucker is scum thats worthy of sheeping my vote | ||
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ThePeashooter
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Mocsta
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but pls explain to me how a vote like that with such blatant misrepresentation to jsutify his vote.. can even originate from a townie mindset? THIS FUCKER just won as bartender in a game (a couple days ago) where Geript famously martyred AS TOWN.. yet he completely ignores this. On March 21 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1. TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it). His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different. TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me The big problem was this though: His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning. Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this. He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM. In fact.. i cant walk away from this. ##Unvote ##VOTE: TESTSUBJECT | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Mocsta
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On March 21 2013 12:48 ThePeashooter wrote: I'm going to point out something that I see happening around page 93ish. People are trying to say that The Mirror was probably just the mafia fucking with VE. Let me remind you of the OP in case no one else brought it up. I know you're on the phone.. but this has been raised by several its actually the minority that think it is a mafia mason | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1. TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it). His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different. TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me You want to know why I was trying to stay concise? So I wouldn't waste everyone's time having to read another 3 pages of spam from BH. Every time I've posted this game he just takes a shit in the thread. Its getting in the town's way, and I don't know why no one else wants to kill him for the obviously anti-town behavior. The big problem was this though: His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning. Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this. He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM. In fact.. i cant walk away from this. I'm not saying that its scummy because scum have done it or because town haven't. Its just scummy, I happen to mention some scum who I've seen do it lately. We can't just let people martyr. Otherwise scum would do it every time and just get away from lynches. I'm not sure what's wrong with that reasoning. This case doesn't seem to have enough solid reasoning for you to want to kill me. Please give me the rest of your reasoning so I can help you sort through that as well. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: You want to know why I was trying to stay concise? So I wouldn't waste everyone's time having to read another 3 pages of spam from BH. Every time I've posted this game he just takes a shit in the thread. Its getting in the town's way, and I don't know why no one else wants to kill him for the obviously anti-town behavior. I'm not saying that its scummy because scum have done it or because town haven't. Its just scummy, I happen to mention some scum who I've seen do it lately. We can't just let people martyr. Otherwise scum would do it every time and just get away from lynches. I'm not sure what's wrong with that reasoning. This case doesn't seem to have enough solid reasoning for you to want to kill me. Please give me the rest of your reasoning so I can help you sort through that as well. The idea "I don't want to be helpful because BH is spamming" isn't a coherent defense of your play | ||
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DarthPunk
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:54 Wade Fell wrote: The idea "I don't want to be helpful because BH is spamming" isn't a coherent defense of your play And putting words in people's mouths is something mafia do to get town killed, but here we are, with people still thinking you're town. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
This TestSubject is as distant as the Bartender TestSubject i played with. your filter Day1 is essentially goading BH by saying a newbie beat him.. whats the point? Like i said.. WoS voted GM at the same time as u... yet his post shows a lot more care (in contrast to yours) yours is blatant, "i found an opportunity.. i need to put some justification... let me contort an item i think is applicable... lets throw it down vote." Thats scummy as fuck. There is nothing to walk me through.. i dont have to convince scum they are scum. TOWN... SHEEP ME | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias. | ||
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Mocsta
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On March 21 2013 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: I don't like matyring and right or not I view it as scummy. Hell I think I even said something about WoS matyring. I understand his view and I think it could come from town DP.. lets constructively talk about this. two things can happen you make me realise im being tunneled OR i make you realise you are being "soft" =========== What was the point of making the martyr comment? In my opinion, because he wants to provide justification for the +1 vote. I dont see anything wrong with that, image is important regardless of alignment. So it comes down to the justification.. Its severely flawed as I have pointed out. A townie is more willing to look at both sides of the fence before coming to a conclusion. This guy imemdiately takes the negative representation.. with no clear context in his filter for wanting to hammer GreyMist in that manner. This is why i think its scummy. He saw that GreyMist was basically dead, and decided to kick him whilst on the floor. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
"Look at it from our perspective. See things the way we see them." Look at ideas he's promoting:
But do you know who Ace thinks is scum? No? Because he doesn't mention finding scum at all, or find anything suspicious. He was "catching up" until my thing and now he's all "LYNCH VE HURRY QUICK HE CLAIMED 3P" [rant]Like, I'm town. Regardless of what you think of the Mirror, I am town. Who cares what it says in those mason logs? They're MASON LOGS. But Ace is pushing this idea that "Oh VE has OBVIOUSLY got to be 3P now." Why? I'm not obviously 3P what kind of 3P even THINKS of posting hsi logs ADMITTING it? I declined joining his fucking cult, it doesn't matter what the logs say. SCUM SHOT ME YESTERDAY YOU FUCK[/rant] | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 03:16 AM ET (US) Edit Delete I'll keep it short and simple: this QT lasts until the end of the day. I think you're town, but there is a strong current of lynch against you. If you die, it happens, but the most important thing is to use your time alive as best you can. I won't be posting the logs of this QT except with your permission, or to save one of us from a lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18055501 I like how you're thinking here- I like how you think in general, fearlessly and townie. I've updated my case against TPS, and I'd like to know who your top scumreads are, if TPS is among them and whether you'd be interested in collaborating with me to get him lynched. If we both share our though processes with each other, we can get better reads on each other. Do not claim your role to me. 2 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 03:31 AM ET (US) Edit Delete I'm heading to bed and will be back in thread in ~9-10 hours. 3 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 09:06 AM ET (US) Honestly, you were one of my scum reads until I read all this Messenger stuff, and after reading this QT and before reading the other ones, I thought this was highly suspect -- if you want help lynching your top scum read, why do you pick the townie with the least amount of credibility? Right now I'm going through all the filters to group my reads and present them to the thread, to hopefully get myself some more town cred. Hopefully I'll see something about TPS that makes me agree with you and we can work it out. I'll tell you my reads before I post them up there if you want. 4 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 10:44 AM ET (US) Yeah, I'm just not seeing TPS as scum. He's too assertive and active. There are plenty of other people who look way more suspect, like TestSubject, layabout, Mr. Wiggles, and Trance. 5 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:49 PM ET (US) Are you following the thread at all? They're pulling a quote from your logs that makes it look like the first line wasn't written in the Messenger QT. How did that happen? 6 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 05:00 PM ET (US) Edit Delete DrH was being a slow piece of crap and not setting up the QT between me and GK very quickly. He PMed me and told me to set it up myself and send him the link. I did so, but I he didn't reply (and neither did Oats) and GK didn't post in the thread, so I wrote up a post and stepped out. Later, DrH PMed the link to GK and we used the QT I set up. 7 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 05:06 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Also zare you don't seem to get the idea behind this QT. I'm probably one of the best scumhunters on TL. Although if I agree on reads I would appreciate your help, the purpose of this QT is to see what your thought process is like, and to get better insight into what you think. You are not my top town-read, you are just a townread I have that a lot of people think are scum. Since I'm already outed to the thread, it makes the most sense to mason you and try to learn more about your thought process. 8 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) Yeah, no problem. I'm down with talking more except you were busy at the same time that I was free, so we couldn't really discuss things. I'm open to talk more later but nwo I have to go do some stuff. Ask me any private Q's you want in the meantime if you want. 9 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 09:34 PM ET (US) Edit Delete On March 20 2013 10:33 Coagulation wrote: the butt hurt in this thread is getting thick. I can hardly walk in it. assholes and elbows deep in butt hurt rofl 10 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 09:36 PM ET (US) Edit Delete so that slip from TPS about coag's alignment imo seals it for me. his last post or so has been more reasonable, but there's no good explanation for that slip other than "TPS is scum and knows coag is town". I'll be continuing to push him. I'm pretty sure I can convince people at this point 11 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 10:16 PM ET (US) Honestly, I think even if you're onto something, nobody will listen to you because it looks like you are tunneling him and you've been fairly abrasive with VE and TPS. I think it would go a long way if you were to list some other people you also thought to be scum, and mentioned why, and then explained why your scum read on TPS is still the best read. 12 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 10:17 PM ET (US) I like the case on WoS a lot right now. His slip is pretty similar to TPS's slip, actually. I wonder if there's something there. 13 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 12:52 PM ET (US) Edit Delete looks like TPS has claimed cop with a blue check on WoS, which means we aren't lynching either of them today. VE seems to have claimed 3p so it's highly clear what we shoudl be doing here. 14 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 12:56 PM ET (US) Edit Delete er, vice-versa: WoS has claimed cop with a blue check on TPS so no need to lynch WoS, he'll be shot tonight anyways. TPS probably also. It's only a problem if they live for a few days. 15 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 01:08 PM ET (US) Yeah. So this third party stuff seems really sloppy on VE's end - I mean, why post the logs revealing that you are a traitor? It seems pretty stupid to me. I'm honestly not going to spend much more time worrying about VE until the night actions go crazy tonight. Scum feel no pressure if we just agree to lynch VE. 16 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 01:34 PM ET (US) Edit Delete The best solution imo is to vote for VE and aggressively FoS someone else with a big case. The fact that someone has claimed scum doesn't mean we stop the hunt 17 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 01:39 PM ET (US) I guess... honestly I just wish he hadn't switched. Lynching third party players just seem like a waste of a lynch to me. Mafia has 2 KP; we need to get rid of them first, imo. Either way, I think most of town has now moved on to looking at other players, so as long as we're discussing potential scum, I suppose that's okay. 18 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 04:16 PM ET (US) Edit Delete now VE is like straight up making shit up 19 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 04:18 PM ET (US) Edit Delete So I am liking a testsubject lynch for tmr. He's been straight-up lurking to avoid confrontation, and now this OMGUS. I'm going to push him through the night in case I get shot. Is your read on him still null-scum, or have you updated it? 20 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 05:19 PM ET (US) Edit Delete glurio has definitely been actively lurking. He's posting a bit but mostly to sheep the town opinion (especially with the WoS situation). The fact that he's starting to weigh in and take sides now, after the claiming-dust has settled, imo is scummy. That being said, I'm not interested in lynching him at this moment, because my other scumreads are much more sure. Last night you noted a townread on glurio because of his willingness to check metas and defending you, but simply defending you shouldn't be the only basis for a twonread, and meta is pretty easy for scum to fake. Have you updated your read on him given his activity today or is it still the same? 21 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) Edit Delete I've gone from feeling sure to feeling iffy on Vivax-- although I initially found him quite scummy, I now agree with what you said last night about him: he puts too much effort into way-too-shitty cases to be anything but a confused townie. Especially that thing "analysing" my timestamps from my logs. if he were scum he'd know there was nothing to find, but if he were town he'd be confused by the timestamps and think I fabricated them if he misread the timezones. Was he wrong and bone-headed? yeah, sure. But the _way_ he was wrong, and his mindset that's revealed, show him to be town. Is your read consistent with that? 22 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 09:16 PM ET (US) Edit Delete I will admit, also, that I feel a small amount of doubt on the VE lynch. Nothing I'd reveal in thread of course, but the point is, VE is at this point unreadable/compromised on everything. I have no idea what he's thinking or doing, or how his logic functions. Nothing he's done has made sense, and these upcoming "megacases" dont' have meaning. We have to flip him at this point if we want to know if anything he's ever said was true. so that doubt is meaningless but still :/ 23 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 09:30 PM ET (US) Edit Delete To clarify, I'm not saying "lynch VE regardless of alignment" but rather that he is surrounded by doubt and non-ransparency. The only way this could come about is that he is scum. The mindset just doesnt match up. 24 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 11:21 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Hey man this is kind of a critical time, it would be good to have someone to bounce ideas off of, or for you to at least let me know what you're thinking. I still stand by my initial meta read of GK, but he's under a lot of pressure. I don't think he's gonna get lynched, at least, but I have doubts now anyways. bleh | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:59 TestSubject893 wrote: You're right that I don't have a heavy emotional investment in this game, I don't really want to be playing because dealing with BH is the opposite of fun. You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias. yeah well dealing with you is the opposite of productive | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:59 TestSubject893 wrote: You're right that I don't have a heavy emotional investment in this game, I don't really want to be playing because dealing with BH is the opposite of fun. You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias. I will just have to agree to disagree. IMHO.. you came across as innocent in Mafia LX i recall you asking me "what does sheeping mean" u barely posted, and when it did, it contained nothing.. we just assumed bad town, which was our fuck up. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Like look at Ace's language. "Look at it from our perspective. See things the way we see them." Look at ideas he's promoting:
But do you know who Ace thinks is scum? No? Because he doesn't mention finding scum at all, or find anything suspicious. He was "catching up" until my thing and now he's all "LYNCH VE HURRY QUICK HE CLAIMED 3P" [rant]Like, I'm town. Regardless of what you think of the Mirror, I am town. Who cares what it says in those mason logs? They're MASON LOGS. But Ace is pushing this idea that "Oh VE has OBVIOUSLY got to be 3P now." Why? I'm not obviously 3P what kind of 3P even THINKS of posting hsi logs ADMITTING it? I declined joining his fucking cult, it doesn't matter what the logs say. SCUM SHOT ME YESTERDAY YOU FUCK[/rant] I said it before... Wiggles case reads nice and all but if ace is scum.. hopless1der is scum. I want to see why hopeless1der is scum.. cos id ont recall anyone having him as a scum read. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:01 Mocsta wrote: I will just have to agree to disagree. IMHO.. you came across as innocent in Mafia LX i recall you asking me "what does sheeping mean" u barely posted, and when it did, it contained nothing.. we just assumed bad town, which was our fuck up. Are you saying I come across as innocent in this game? Because that's not what everyone else is saying. If I wanted to survive as long as possible, I wouldn't be playing the way I am.... | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:03 TestSubject893 wrote: Are you saying I come across as innocent in this game? Because that's not what everyone else is saying. If I wanted to survive as long as possible, I wouldn't be playing the way I am.... no.. i said ur emotionally detached this game u argued u were emotionally attached mafia LX.. i said. i think you were innocent and still emotionally detached.. henceforth : agree to disagree. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:00 Wade Fell wrote: yeah well dealing with you is the opposite of productive U gonna throw jabs.. or follow me with a vote, bish | ||
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