The Game [N] - Page 105

On March 21 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote:

U gonna throw jabs.. or follow me with a vote, bish

On March 21 2013 12:59 Mocsta wrote:

DP.. lets constructively talk about this.

two things can happen

you make me realise im being tunneled
OR
i make you realise you are being "soft"

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What was the point of making the martyr comment?

In my opinion, because he wants to provide justification for the +1 vote.
I dont see anything wrong with that, image is important regardless of alignment.

So it comes down to the justification.. Its severely flawed as I have pointed out.

A townie is more willing to look at both sides of the fence before coming to a conclusion.
This guy imemdiately takes the negative representation.. with no clear context in his filter for wanting to hammer GreyMist in that manner.
This is why i think its scummy.

He saw that GreyMist was basically dead, and decided to kick him whilst on the floor.

On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:

You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?"

So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?

##Vote: DarthPunk

On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote:
Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first.


DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted?

There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that.

##Vote: DarthPunk

On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:

So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him?

On March 18 2013 10:21 cosmicomics wrote:
Yea I don't think DarthPunk is the lynch anymore. Just stubborn, but in a consistent townie way.
Upon review VE's case does look pretty bad.

##Unvote: DarthPunk

I'll be looking into the alternatives to decide.

On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.

I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.

I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.

On March 21 2013 13:01 Mocsta wrote:

I said it before...

Wiggles case reads nice and all

but if ace is scum.. hopless1der is scum.

I want to see why hopeless1der is scum.. cos id ont recall anyone having him as a scum read.

On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for GM, he holds something in common with zare, in that he also brings up suspicion against me, calls me scummier than DarthPunk, doesn't back it up, and then ignores me completely. His AHA! post reeks of bad towny play (stupid gambit is stupid), but isn't Grey supposed to be a mafia veteran? That kind of 'trap' is something that zare tried to spring on the rest of the town AS a townie in NMM 37 but it only ended up muddling up the whole thread for that day and accomplishing nothing. Greymist's trap seems like an easy way to hide behind the fact that he couldn't be assed to contribute in a positive way and to jump on the first person to call him out for being gone (whether for legit reasons or not) as others have pointed out.
##Vote GreYMisT

On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:
Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.

GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.

##Vote: GreYMisT

On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote:
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth.

On March 21 2013 13:19 Wade Fell wrote:
Also GK lynch is 1) bad and 2) not happening

On March 21 2013 13:14 sciberbia wrote:
OK we really need to consolidate. I have no idea what the votecount is at, but I'd imagine there are still several votes on VE and Wiggles. For those of us who don't like those two candidates, we need a candidate to consolidate on. ace/GK/testsubject have all been thrown out there, but there are disagreements. Personally, I'm nullish on all 3. You guys have given meta reads on all 3 that I could choose to trust in, but as far as in-thread evidence, I'm nullish.

On March 21 2013 13:19 DarthPunk wrote:


Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his?

On March 21 2013 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:


heaps of people piled onto grey mist when he was popular the same is true for me WoS and Viscera Eyes.

I don't view the vote onto greymist as enough to lynch him period. and there are several people I would like to lynch before him.

Please trust me on goodkarma. I will look at test subject and whoever else you want me to look at tomorrow. But the reality of the situation is. We should not lynch VE. He is the leading candidate. We should consolidate onto goodkarma, lynch scum, and avoid a VE lynch.

On March 21 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:
DP

another way of looking at the vote is this

Town are looking to vote scum *always*

Scum ideally are looking fro *safe* votes..

safe is based on thread sentiment, and can imply starting, joining or hammering the bandwagon


To me, GM posts were townie, until the martyring.. the combination of lurking + martyring, gave credence to a vote on GM. Based on how shitty/leaderless Day1 was, i can understand a vote on GM.

Kenpachi +1'd, Testsubject +1'd, Wos +1'd.

kenpachi i got no idea bout . another then i heard hes a troll

This is WoS martyr follow up vote

Whilst i disagree with the conclusion..(and so did the flip) it is still a *reasonable* mindset to have on the situation.
I dont see a problem with this vote.

Contrast with TestSubject

This is a guy who doesnt give a shit.. wants to blend in.. and throws in some "sounds good at first glance" reasoning to feel all safe...

Kenpachi is low on time.. but his vote is blunt and to the point.. it shows confidence


Im not getting that with TestSubject.. the vote is meek.. the vote has a flawed premise (which i believe is intentional).. and the vote comes at a time where TestSubject will not be scrutinised.

As proven by Day2 play... TestSubject loves to de-lurk when called out..

and he is playing SAFE. Mentality that is all aligned with scum play.

On March 21 2013 13:21 Wade Fell wrote:


show me how this is a scum trait of his? he's more quiet as town, especially early

On March 21 2013 13:15 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Why do I have to do that? Regardless of how hopeless1der played, I read Ace as scum based on his own play since he replaced in the game. If I go back and look at Hopeless1der, I'm just going to end up with an analysis riddled with confirmation bias anyways because I already think Ace is scum. I don't see how it's useful to my case against Ace.

You said it yourself, if Ace is scum, Hopeless1der is scum, which means that I'm going to read him that way because I'm already biased against him.

Instead, can you tell me something Hopeless1der did that makes Ace town despite my analysis? Because I skimmed through his filter, and I'm not seeing anything worthy of exonerating him.

On March 21 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote:


it's not early. It's the end of day 2 and he has done sweet fuck all. You should know from coaching GK that he does not play like this as town. GK tries to take charge of the scum hunt as town. This game he is just hanging out in the background sheeping onto cases again and again blending in and being useless.

On March 21 2013 13:25 Wade Fell wrote:


He's literally aggro as fuck and flings reads around rather than being contemplative and slow when he is scum. I've demonstrated this. You've played with him and you knwo this. Stop misreading him.