Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVIII

On March 08 2013 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright bduddy, welcome to the thread.
I'm going to hope that next time you give us more than a list of your 'worries and suspicions,' and give us some hard evidence and scumreads.

Think you could make that happen?

On March 08 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

You didn't just claim cop D1 did you?
Alright bduddy I'll spell out a couple things for you.
1) Claiming a blue role this early in the game essentially paints a big ol' bullseye on your back for mafia to target. If they manage to shoot you N1 you won't have performed any checks and are useless to us.
2) When I'm asking for your scumreads, I'm asking you to tell us who you think are scum and WHY. "I have a good feeling about NW," or "I feel suspicious" means dick all if you don't have anything to back it up.

In conclusion, do a little a thinking before you post about the repercussions of your actions and what it means to other people when you say certain things, and you'll go a long way. Don't just spew your thoughts into the thread for no apparent reason. It doesn't help us find scum.

On March 08 2013 15:43 MeatlessTaco wrote:


I know you didn't claim cop. Other people over reacted. But, you do plenty of hedging and hawing and excusing yourself... which is poor play, but understandable. But, don't play dumb. Do you not understand what "scumread" means by context? If you have enough time to play, tell us why you want want Raven lynched and not the other two people you spent more time analyzing.

On March 08 2013 16:08 TheRavensName wrote:
Its one of the few things that seems to carry over between versions of this game bduddy.

On March 09 2013 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright in a bid to get you to change your vote (not that I don't think Taco looks bad):
What would we learn from Taco's lynch.
Assume he is scum and he has just flipped. What have we now learned?

AD wrote: You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation?.

AD wrote:The Omni's case against Frorgon is simply too great to ignore.

OE wrote: @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip.

@Krafla+ Show Spoiler + Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes?

@Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself).

@Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. [LOL that's the best you can do?]

[others omitted]

OE wrote: I agree with you there, I don't think the vote makes much sense either and I'm trying to decide on if he just attacked an easy player or not, and if Arctic never does contest it it would be very easy for scum to latch onto him early and ride D1 out safely that way. I just re-read the first few pages and he does explain why he didn't vote for NW but considering he does that and then puts a serious vote on Arctic... I can see misguided townie and scum motivation behind it.

OE wrote:EBWOP: What if* arctic is just another bad townie

On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now.

On March 09 2013 07:38 OmniEulogy wrote:


fair enough as I wasn't really considering what would happen if Taco flipped town. Arctic is pretty much a blank sheet regardless of his flip, that's how I was comparing them.

On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Who was this directed at?

On March 09 2013 07:59 TheRavensName wrote:

I believe it was said this was Omni.

Now the issue with this line of thinking is, Omni has not accused anyone Arctic has jumped on until the one against Frorgon, and quite a few people had similar reactions until it was read over about a dozen times.

On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote:


NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today.

On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote:
No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic.

##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi

On March 09 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

Haha conflicting opinions. Ok bduddy, explain why it's a good idea for Taco to explain to us his reads right now while we're all trying to consolidate our votes.
Also explain why it would be a good idea for him to give us his reads before D2.

On March 09 2013 08:52 MeatlessTaco wrote:


I don't know anything more than anyone else that has read the thread. And I don't know where I implied that.

Game-theory like: you don't give your opponent information while it is their turn to act. I thought that would be an obvious logical conclusion.

On March 09 2013 09:33 Arctic Daishi wrote:Thanks for the advice and help, Promethelax. .

On March 09 2013 09:59 Arctic Daishi wrote:

Thanks, I thought the mention of Promethelax was particularly witty.

On March 09 2013 14:01 TheRavensName wrote:

He voted for NW.

On March 10 2013 09:44 MeatlessTaco wrote:
I don't see the logic in Krafla's claim. Why would they roleblock him?

On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote:


If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days.

On March 10 2013 11:13 OmniEulogy wrote:


Is this what you are talking about?



does everybody develop short-term memory loss when describing how they first voted for people? First Taco and now you. Can you tell me how what Arctic did was different from Chew? You just jumped on the right one between the two of them (possible that they are both scum).

Your two line case on a scummy lurker was great. Took a lot of effort I'm sure. Almost as much as my case on Frorgon.

I thought it better to lynch someone who would give us some information by letting us read into their posts. As I mentioned I had doubts on nobodywonder and MeatlessTaco but I felt that Meatless had promoted more interesting conversation than nobodywonder, so that's where I placed my vote.

On March 10 2013 11:36 OmniEulogy wrote:


considering he's no longer in the game and has been replaced we lost a pretty good chance to find out. But my point still stands that if Arctic hadn't played as if he was brain dead we most likely wouldn't have ended up lynching him due to the fact that he looked exactly like Chew, and every lurker seems scummy.

On March 11 2013 04:29 Frorgon wrote:
@bduddy Just to clarify a few things, while Rainbows made a decent case, his case isn't necessarily the reason for a MLuneth "bandwagon". MLuneth was already looking incredibly scummy before Rainbows gave his opinion, and if you review the N1 posts you see that WoS and myself were already pointing at Luneth as the scummiest looking person.

As far as Krafla, I agree that it could be a total lie, but you need to actually read the discussion about this. Basically, if WoS was jailed, it makes it entirely possible that Mafia randomly chose who to roleblock and chose correctly. This has already been explained. And it's fairly plausible because Krafla wasn't very active on D1 but blues don't necessarily want to look too threatening off the bat.

I'd also like you to try to explain why we should be voting for OE rather than to try and get Rainbows to do all the work and tell you why you shouldn't. Or are you trying to keep quiet?

@Matriarch where are you?

On March 11 2013 06:04 Frorgon wrote: Especially considering that the roleblock was not likely placed on the mafia.

Or if the roleblocker was able to RB the mafia with kill power, the mafia roleblocker would use that information to roleblock him and ensure that the kill goes through next time.

On March 11 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:

Wrong, bduddy. Chances are very slim that we have both a RB and a JK; that would most likely be imbalanced. The JK protected me (I was roleblocked) which is why there was no kill last night.

On March 11 2013 06:41 geript wrote:
@bduddy You were the one to initially bring up the OE defenses of Artic. You ALSO brought up how OE wasn't really trying to push his Taco case. Do you not like my case vs OE?

On March 11 2013 14:05 Rainbows wrote:
I'd rather lynch Geript than OE. We should also kll MLuneth gogogo vote him.

On March 13 2013 00:54 Frorgon wrote:
I definitely have some new ideas to pitch although I'm still super suspicious of Luneth too. I guess Matriarch isn't getting modkilled, which is interesting in itself (for balancing reasons??).

On March 13 2013 14:27 geript wrote:
I've also thought about it and I really think that we need to get those roleblocks announced because if there's only one then we need to consider Krafla more.

On March 13 2013 15:18 Krafla wrote:
Morning guys, just woken up and about to head to work, but just to let you know I was role blocked again tonight.

On March 14 2013 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:


If you have to "trick" somebody into making cases it probably makes more sense to lynch them. If not, then my comment certainly shouldn't prevent MLuneth from responding in a reasonable manner.

I mean, how dumb does this sound: "Hey guys, I tricked scum into making a case..." :X

And as I said, if the target is town then you shouldn't need to "trick" them.

On March 15 2013 04:00 geript wrote:


Raven could you explain this to me. I wasn't in the last game that it seems like you and bduddy were in. Could you also detail who was town/scum in that game?

On March 15 2013 03:51 TheRavensName wrote:
This is a very valid point, OE was pretty against the AD lynch and Bduddy was one of the few people, and one of the firt, who brought it up and pointed as potential evidence against OE... but I can't help but wonder if he brought it up in case AD did die and he wanted to get OE out of it by making him look bad for opposing it, sort of like a soft bussing.

What was the point of this post? seems a little scummy to me, as a way of maybe getting people to hop off of AD, or even to have an excuse of a last minute switch. I mean... everyone else who read that goodbye I'm going to die post immediatly said: Holy rap that is scummy, kill him with fire..

He was even soft pushing for Taco along with OE day 1, (Look at his pestering of TAco quite a bit about information that wasn't relevant at the time because AD was going to die no matter what with how close to the deadline we were and he didn't want to make himself a target at night (which is a fairly valid point.)

I even think that given the amount of time he spends denying and pushing Krafia's blue claim that he could hve seen and pointed out the same braed crumbs I saw when I defende the blue claim, to the roleblocker and wanted to get Krafia lynhed so he cold move the roleblocker to hunting for our jailer. I really don't like how he wants our jailer to role claim whn everyone else agrees its a bad idea even with a 1 to 1 trade, and I can't help but think the mention of PMs, while they first pointed me to the front of the thread, may have been a slip on his part.

Now that we know Arctic's alignment it looks more like Luneth was trying to save him without making it look too obvious. If we consider how quickly he leaves after nobody budges from Arctic it looks pretty bad.

nothing more about Arctic vs NW after this.

I think both Luneth and Taco have shown some pretty large signs that they don't really care who gets lynched. The amount of effort behind where their votes land is between minimal and non-existent.

good to see you come back with such a strong case rainbows. I agree with you that Luneth looks like a pretty good choice for mafia, leaving us with 1(?) remaining. I still believe the last one is Taco. If there is a 4th I'd be surprised as I've only had 3 scum in all of my newbie games.

On March 16 2013 05:28 geript wrote:
Actually, I prefer a mass claim right now. There's no tracker/watcher. No town RBer unless by chance they're one shot. Vigilante is an odd outside possibility at best; perhaps but vig/jk/1shot cop is a very odd combination. I haven't seen reasonable evidence of masons but I'd have to look carefully again. Overlords should've spawned by now one way or another. An SK should've shot night 1 in the least. I'm just not seeing a major difference between a mass claim now (or in the action locked hour before dawn) and doing it at day break. If you don't want to let actions be changed off of it then let's do it in the hour after actions get locked.

Btw, if you happen to be a vigilante then don't shoot tonight.

On March 16 2013 07:29 geript wrote:
At 1 hour prior to day (starting at 8pm est [dst]) then everyone should roleclaim. This will be after actions will be locked in. If you can spawn, then spawn then.

On March 16 2013 11:46 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'd like to know what came back to Krafla as well but its like 3-4am in the UK and we would have to wait for another 12~ hours

On March 16 2013 15:21 Krafla wrote:
Out of interest how do we know he's not the Godfather? Is it just too unlikely?