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I don't want to vote for Arctic Daishi, it would be a total waste at this point if he hasn't posted at all. Rainbows is a bit... aggressive for my tastes. MeatlessTaco's bandwagoning onto CoS worries me a bit, but he seems fine other than that. I'm actually most suspicious of TheRavensName - he wanted to excuse liars, he piled onto making a "joke vote", and as others have said he posted right before the game started and then was silent. Again, I will definitely post more than once per day after this, I've just had other issues. | ||
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On March 08 2013 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't know exactly what kind of "hard evidence" you're looking for, other than "I'm the cop and..." All I have are the same posts as everyone else, and I've tried to read through them quickly so I can post before stuff starts happening so I probably haven't even read them as fully as everyone else. I did say that I'm feeling a bit suspicious towards TRN and Rainbows, is that what you mean by "scumreads"?Alright bduddy, welcome to the thread. I'm going to hope that next time you give us more than a list of your 'worries and suspicions,' and give us some hard evidence and scumreads. Think you could make that happen? I'm just not seeing nobodywonder as scum (and I'm not just saying that because he unvoted me!), he seems like a genuine new townie to me. I am now somewhat suspicious towards Matriarch; very few posts (I see the post about a child, I understand that that would be far more important than posting here but it would also be a great excuse) and came straight back to jump on the nobodywonder bandwagon for reasons that don't really make sense to me. For now, though, I'm going to ##Vote: TheRavensName who still seems most suspicious to me. | ||
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On March 08 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Umm... no, I certainly did not claim cop, I was speaking hypothetically. I may not be good at this, but I'm not a complete idiot.You didn't just claim cop D1 did you? Alright bduddy I'll spell out a couple things for you. 1) Claiming a blue role this early in the game essentially paints a big ol' bullseye on your back for mafia to target. If they manage to shoot you N1 you won't have performed any checks and are useless to us. 2) When I'm asking for your scumreads, I'm asking you to tell us who you think are scum and WHY. "I have a good feeling about NW," or "I feel suspicious" means dick all if you don't have anything to back it up. In conclusion, do a little a thinking before you post about the repercussions of your actions and what it means to other people when you say certain things, and you'll go a long way. Don't just spew your thoughts into the thread for no apparent reason. It doesn't help us find scum. I understand that I should post reasons, and I'll try to do that better in the future. There's just not that much to go on... I explained in my post before the quoted one why I think TRN is likely to be scum. | ||
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On March 08 2013 15:43 MeatlessTaco wrote: Me excusing myself is because I legitimately had much more important stuff to do last night and today and didn't want to look like a guy that lurked for 1.5 days and then popped out at the end with random excuses. As for Raven, first off, I agree with what you said earlier about his suspicious posting patterns at the beginning of the game. I think it's suspicious how much he followed along with making a "joke vote" and then unvoting when everyone else was doing so - it seems scummy to me to try to follow others so much. I also think that his post about not lynching liars is suspicious - newbies make mistakes, sure, but I don't see how new townies would lie about anything. Finally, my suspicions are only reinforced by his last post - Dear god is lurking into blue claim scummy as hell. doesn't seem to match his previous posting style, and makes me think he might be playing dumb.I know you didn't claim cop. Other people over reacted. But, you do plenty of hedging and hawing and excusing yourself... which is poor play, but understandable. But, don't play dumb. Do you not understand what "scumread" means by context? If you have enough time to play, tell us why you want want Raven lynched and not the other two people you spent more time analyzing. | ||
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On March 08 2013 16:08 TheRavensName wrote: You mean the "blue" thing? I get that, having looked at some other Mafia games. But it doesn't match your previous posting style in this game... and the many spelling mistakes you've been making don't match your posting style in general. Again, I think you've been playing dumb.Its one of the few things that seems to carry over between versions of this game bduddy. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote: We've learned that there is one fewer scum in the game and that we're way closer to winning. How is that not a great thing?Alright in a bid to get you to change your vote (not that I don't think Taco looks bad): What would we learn from Taco's lynch. Assume he is scum and he has just flipped. What have we now learned? Arctic is seriously lurking hardcore though (yes, I understand the irony. I just got done with a job interview that got pushed back from earlier today), and his few posts look like lame attempts to jump on a bandwagon or to look active. I'm also very suspicious of how Arctic and OE seem to be mutually defending each other. For example: AD wrote: You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation?. AD wrote:The Omni's case against Frorgon is simply too great to ignore. OE wrote: @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla+ Show Spoiler + karla @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. [LOL that's the best you can do?] [others omitted] OE wrote: I agree with you there, I don't think the vote makes much sense either and I'm trying to decide on if he just attacked an easy player or not, and if Arctic never does contest it it would be very easy for scum to latch onto him early and ride D1 out safely that way. I just re-read the first few pages and he does explain why he didn't vote for NW but considering he does that and then puts a serious vote on Arctic... I can see misguided townie and scum motivation behind it. OE wrote:EBWOP: What if* arctic is just another bad townie I agree with TRN's recent posts and understand that what I was going off of may have been wrong. For now, even if I'm suspicious of OE, Arctic will be totally useless to us even if he is town, OE at least posts. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: I don't think this is much of an issue. Trying to pressure people not to vote for a fellow-scum because "he might get replaced" is a tactic too ridiculous for me to believe anyone would use it, considering the fellow-scum would have to post at some point. I think MT is fine overall - getting people to explain their positions helps to find out whether people are attacking/defending others for good reason or not. I'm still way more focused on AD and those defending/attacking him.Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:38 OmniEulogy wrote: But when someone comes up mafia, you learn a lot about those defending him and not defending him - especially when's he's essentially a lurker without anything concrete to go on.fair enough as I wasn't really considering what would happen if Taco flipped town. Arctic is pretty much a blank sheet regardless of his flip, that's how I was comparing them. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote: OmniEulogy, I assume. That's who I was referring to, at least. + Show Spoiler + bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not. Who was this directed at? I don't get why NW has to prove he's not scum to be unvoted - that would be great, obviously, but as has been said, there are other people that look a lot worse right now. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:59 TheRavensName wrote: At this point I wouldn't say that scum would necessarily work together to try to lynch a specific person. What they would definitely try to do is try to deflect voting of other scum, because at this point that's a lot more necessarily for them and, if done properly, less suspicious. I stand by what I said earlier that OE especially has been trying to do that with Arctic, and I don't see anything nobodywonder has done that makes him more suspicious.I believe it was said this was Omni. Now the issue with this line of thinking is, Omni has not accused anyone Arctic has jumped on until the one against Frorgon, and quite a few people had similar reactions until it was read over about a dozen times. What happens if the vote is a tie? | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: If you really want Taco to be lynched, you're not trying very hard. If you think someone else with actual support is also worthy of being lynched, why don't you switch your vote now?NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: That's not a good excuse. Tell us what you know.No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Because more information is better than less information? I'm not getting how waiting helps anything. We already have 32 pages, "muddling the vote" is not a concern of mine. If he has some analysis to make, he should make it now instead of going "I know but I'm not telling you, nah nah". It's not like there are any roles in this game where it's a good thing if the Haha conflicting opinions. Ok bduddy, explain why it's a good idea for Taco to explain to us his reads right now while we're all trying to consolidate our votes. Also explain why it would be a good idea for him to give us his reads before D2. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:52 MeatlessTaco wrote: Do you really not see how those two lines are not a massive contradiction? Unless you're scum, you don't have any secret information that everyone else in the game doesn't already have. Whatever reads and analysis you have are valuable to us, either as arguments in their own right or as information about you. If you refuse to give the town that, that's not exactly pro-town behavior.I don't know anything more than anyone else that has read the thread. And I don't know where I implied that. Game-theory like: you don't give your opponent information while it is their turn to act. I thought that would be an obvious logical conclusion. Having said that, I'll repeat why I'm still voting for Arctic: he seems as scummy as anyone else to me right now, and even if he is town he's looking completely useless to us, so I see no reason to keep him around. | ||
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AD, you say this is your first time, but honestly, have you been reading this thread at all? Do you know how Mafia works? Because you're not showing either very well right now. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:33 Arctic Daishi wrote:Thanks for the advice and help, Promethelax. . I'm almost willing to believe him. Almost. AD, whoever your coach actually is, I would start PM'ing him some more, because it's not quite over yet. I'm still voting for you, though. | ||
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You know you can do that after you actually get lynched, right? | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:59 Arctic Daishi wrote: Too little, too late. Saying that you don't know what you're doing doesn't really help that much either, because even if you're town we still don't really want to keep you. Do what I've been doing: just pretend that you know what's going on.Thanks, I thought the mention of Promethelax was particularly witty. | ||
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Matriarch, MLuneth, and Krafla never switched their vote; I'd be willing to bet at least one of them was scum trying to keep AD in it. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:44 MeatlessTaco wrote: Possibly because he didn't post much, but I'm not really buying his story much either, especially given that he was a NW voter until the end.I don't see the logic in Krafla's claim. Why would they roleblock him? | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: What? That makes no sense. I'm not entirely sure about him either, although I am still suspicious of his Arctic defense, but if he or anyone else is our clearest scum option he needs to go. Krafla still needs to explain himself a little more, but most of all we need to hear more from Matriarch. Yes, I know she may have more important things to do, but either she needs to start contributing, find a replacement, or became Arctic part 2.If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:13 OmniEulogy wrote: It didn't take long or complex analysis to realize that Arctic was scum. The main difference was that CoS posted nothing, AD posted scummy posts. CoS definitely needs to remain under suspicion, but it's possible at this point that he's just away from the Internet for some reason.Is this what you are talking about? does everybody develop short-term memory loss when describing how they first voted for people? First Taco and now you. Can you tell me how what Arctic did was different from Chew? You just jumped on the right one between the two of them (possible that they are both scum). Your two line case on a scummy lurker was great. Took a lot of effort I'm sure. Almost as much as my case on Frorgon. | ||
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I thought it better to lynch someone who would give us some information by letting us read into their posts. As I mentioned I had doubts on nobodywonder and MeatlessTaco but I felt that Meatless had promoted more interesting conversation than nobodywonder, so that's where I placed my vote. WTF does that mean? The point of this game is to lynch the mafia, not to lynch the most interesting people. Yes, his story does somewhat make sense (I was lurking because I was a blue), but at the same time, why did he continue to lurk so much if he was only a one-shotter, planning to use his power at his first opportunity, and was never under real threat? It does seem like a waste of a risky fakeclaim to simply say "I was roleblocked", but that could just be Krafla playing it safe, or playing badly. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:36 OmniEulogy wrote: I somehow totally forgot that CoS got replaced... yeah. considering he's no longer in the game and has been replaced we lost a pretty good chance to find out. But my point still stands that if Arctic hadn't played as if he was brain dead we most likely wouldn't have ended up lynching him due to the fact that he looked exactly like Chew, and every lurker seems scummy. | ||
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And Rainbows... could you please explain exactly why we should not be voting for OE? | ||
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On March 11 2013 04:29 Frorgon wrote: Right now we have 2 concrete pieces of information: AD was scum, and no one got killed last night. I like going on concrete information (probably because I'm not good at reading people in general, Mafia or not ) and so my natural target is the person that spent the most time defending AD - that's OE, pretty clearly. It's possible that the remaining mafia members saw his absence and decided to bus him early, but somehow I don't see that happening in a game like this - I'm not sure, though, that's why I haven't voted yet. @bduddy Just to clarify a few things, while Rainbows made a decent case, his case isn't necessarily the reason for a MLuneth "bandwagon". MLuneth was already looking incredibly scummy before Rainbows gave his opinion, and if you review the N1 posts you see that WoS and myself were already pointing at Luneth as the scummiest looking person. As far as Krafla, I agree that it could be a total lie, but you need to actually read the discussion about this. Basically, if WoS was jailed, it makes it entirely possible that Mafia randomly chose who to roleblock and chose correctly. This has already been explained. And it's fairly plausible because Krafla wasn't very active on D1 but blues don't necessarily want to look too threatening off the bat. I'd also like you to try to explain why we should be voting for OE rather than to try and get Rainbows to do all the work and tell you why you shouldn't. Or are you trying to keep quiet? @Matriarch where are you? Speaking of the other piece of information we have - would it be at all worth it for our town roleblocker to claim now with who they blocked? I guess he's not a one-shot or he presumably would have done so already, but getting rid of another mafia in exchange for that seems like a good trade to me. Of course there are risks - fakeclaims, maybe we have more than one roleblocker, maybe the mafia is pulling some ridiculous gambit - I'm not saying anyone should do it now, I just want to start a discussion. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:04 Frorgon wrote: Especially considering that the roleblock was not likely placed on the mafia. How do you get that? The mafia almost certainly chose to kill someone last night - the only reason they didn't is that they were roleblocked. This game doesn't have a doctor. Or if the roleblocker was able to RB the mafia with kill power, the mafia roleblocker would use that information to roleblock him and ensure that the kill goes through next time. All mafia have kill power in this game (read the PMs). Unless there's only one mafia left, which is highly unlikely, it's not going to be the same guy killing next time. Yes, I know that someone who claimed town RB right now would obviously become a mafia target, but if we get a mafia out of that I think that's a good trade for us. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: ...yeah, that does make sense as well, I had forgotten about your post. Sorry for acting like such an idiot, I'm just not used to playing with roles like this (or serious Mafia games at all, really). Considering that all of my other cases have been shit, I'm starting to come around to the arguments about MeatlessTaco. In fact, until he comes up with some good answers, Wrong, bduddy. Chances are very slim that we have both a RB and a JK; that would most likely be imbalanced. The JK protected me (I was roleblocked) which is why there was no kill last night. ##Vote: MeatlessTaco | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:41 geript wrote: Don't worry, I'm still keeping my eye on OE - we have time, after all. But MT's posting has just been terrible in general, and I want to see what he has to say about the accusations against him.@bduddy You were the one to initially bring up the OE defenses of Artic. You ALSO brought up how OE wasn't really trying to push his Taco case. Do you not like my case vs OE? | ||
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On March 11 2013 14:05 Rainbows wrote: ...WTF is up with you? I know you've been active (occasionally) and tried to provoke responses out of people, but you're getting ridiculous at this point, and I don't mean ridiculously helpful.I'd rather lynch Geript than OE. We should also kll MLuneth gogogo vote him. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:54 Frorgon wrote: Yeah... I don't want to try to get too much into the motivations of the host, but it seems more likely that he would refuse to modkill Matriarch if she was mafia (because there are less of them, it would affect the game more).I definitely have some new ideas to pitch although I'm still super suspicious of Luneth too. I guess Matriarch isn't getting modkilled, which is interesting in itself (for balancing reasons??). Rainbows, I think it's highly unlikely that 2+ mafia ended up voting for AD, because it was close enough that AD would have avoided the lynch if they had jumped off. I'm pretty sure that at least one mafia member was among the NW voters. Could you please add the rest of the "important posts" to the first post? | ||
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Sn0_Man, the reason you need to post, a lot, is that the person you're replacing posted hardly anything at all, so we hardly have anything on the two of you combined. Lurking at this point would make me, at least, very suspicious of you - please do try to catch up and contribute at least a little bit. | ||
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On March 13 2013 14:27 geript wrote: I'm not sure about that. His idea that we have one JK and they have one RB does essentially fit; at this point, if we have a permanent JK him claiming almost certainly does more harm than good. Of course, if we have any one-shotters, they should have claimed already... We have to have at least a couple other blues. I guess they know what they're doing, but a little extra information would be really nice to have right about now...I've also thought about it and I really think that we need to get those roleblocks announced because if there's only one then we need to consider Krafla more. | ||
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On March 13 2013 15:18 Krafla wrote: Really? So the mafia blocked you without even knowing if you still had a shot or not? I'm not buying it. Who did you target and why? Did you breadcrumb, and why did you not night-post like last night?Morning guys, just woken up and about to head to work, but just to let you know I was role blocked again tonight. Considering that we supposedly are supposed to know all the possible roles, is it really necessary that you hide important mechanics about how they work? | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote: It's called pressuring, and it doesn't work if you go out and tell them that it's "just a ploy" or whatever. If you have to "trick" somebody into making cases it probably makes more sense to lynch them. If not, then my comment certainly shouldn't prevent MLuneth from responding in a reasonable manner. I mean, how dumb does this sound: "Hey guys, I tricked scum into making a case..." :X And as I said, if the target is town then you shouldn't need to "trick" them. | ||
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* Yes, I know these things are valid mafia strategy, I'm trying to make a joke. Hahaha. | ||
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On March 15 2013 04:00 geript wrote: I haven't played a game of TL mafia before. I looked at TRN's previous TL posts and noticed a distinct lack of spelling mistakes compared to the posts he had made so far in the thread; that, combined with his initial noob-claims followed up by his sudden knowledge of Mafia terminology, led me to suspect he might have been playing dumb. He's been pretty much OK since then, so I guess I was off-base.Raven could you explain this to me. I wasn't in the last game that it seems like you and bduddy were in. Could you also detail who was town/scum in that game? | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:51 TheRavensName wrote: I'm... not sure what you're trying to say by that. Yes, I brought it up because I thought it was highly suspicious they were defending each other, and if AD was scum - which he was - it would reflect very badly on OE. Why haven't I tried to attack OE more then? Well, as others have noted, he's contributed a lot more since then, and there have been other people that have acted worse. Now that I think of it, though, I should really go back and try to see if I can scrape together a decent case against OE... I've looked, but can't find any other strong evidence. Doing that again right now...This is a very valid point, OE was pretty against the AD lynch and Bduddy was one of the few people, and one of the firt, who brought it up and pointed as potential evidence against OE... but I can't help but wonder if he brought it up in case AD did die and he wanted to get OE out of it by making him look bad for opposing it, sort of like a soft bussing. What was the point of this post? seems a little scummy to me, as a way of maybe getting people to hop off of AD, or even to have an excuse of a last minute switch. I mean... everyone else who read that goodbye I'm going to die post immediatly said: Holy rap that is scummy, kill him with fire.. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I was trying to give him an out just in case he was actually the supernoob he was claiming to be - as bad as AD obviously was on either side, dead town is still worse than dead mafia. If I was scum and trying to save him, don't you think I would have PM'd him to say something less stupid or something? He was even soft pushing for Taco along with OE day 1, (Look at his pestering of TAco quite a bit about information that wasn't relevant at the time because AD was going to die no matter what with how close to the deadline we were and he didn't want to make himself a target at night (which is a fairly valid point.) Taco's posting was terrible, and it's pretty obvious that I wasn't the only one to think so. I thought Krafla's claim was suspicious, especially his claim of getting randomly roleblocked twice and again getting roleblocked without the mafia even knowing he had another shot. I mean, look at it this way - even though he hasn't tried to do anything with it (which could be risky), it's essentially put him above suspicion - why wouldn't mafia want to do that? I even think that given the amount of time he spends denying and pushing Krafia's blue claim that he could hve seen and pointed out the same braed crumbs I saw when I defende the blue claim, to the roleblocker and wanted to get Krafia lynhed so he cold move the roleblocker to hunting for our jailer. I really don't like how he wants our jailer to role claim whn everyone else agrees its a bad idea even with a 1 to 1 trade, and I can't help but think the mention of PMs, while they first pointed me to the front of the thread, may have been a slip on his part. I merely suggested the role-claim, and even asked for feedback right in my post. I thought a 1v1 trade would be good for us, and I think it still might be - as it goes our JK is still basically guessing. My mention of PMs meant "read the role PMs", you know, the ones in the second post, specifically the mafia one that says they all have kill power. How could that possibly be a "slip"? | ||
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Now that we know Arctic's alignment it looks more like Luneth was trying to save him without making it look too obvious. If we consider how quickly he leaves after nobody budges from Arctic it looks pretty bad. (Night 1)nothing more about Arctic vs NW after this. I think both Luneth and Taco have shown some pretty large signs that they don't really care who gets lynched. The amount of effort behind where their votes land is between minimal and non-existent. good to see you come back with such a strong case rainbows. I agree with you that Luneth looks like a pretty good choice for mafia, leaving us with 1(?) remaining. I still believe the last one is Taco. If there is a 4th I'd be surprised as I've only had 3 scum in all of my newbie games. Is this a weak bus, leaving room for OE to claim "But I was on ML the whole time!" if he goes down? Maybe. I doubt it, though - why do it so early before MLuneth was under real suspicion? On the other hand, MLuneth's defenses of OE are not hard to find, he even admitted himself that it looked like he was buddying him. So that leaves three possibilities - OE is scum and ML is town, they're both town, or they're both mafia and OE is trying a really weird bus. I'm not willing to believe that they're both town given the combined suspicion I have towards both of them (yes, I know it was Day 1, but OE's defense of AD was just too much for me to ignore), and so both remaining possibilities are that OE is scum. And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. ##Unvote ##Vote: OmniEulogy | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:28 geript wrote: Why the hell would we claim now? We have at least our JK (and probably at least another blue, right?) and the mafia still has their roleblocker. After the action deadline, sure, but I don't understand what this rush is all about.Actually, I prefer a mass claim right now. There's no tracker/watcher. No town RBer unless by chance they're one shot. Vigilante is an odd outside possibility at best; perhaps but vig/jk/1shot cop is a very odd combination. I haven't seen reasonable evidence of masons but I'd have to look carefully again. Overlords should've spawned by now one way or another. An SK should've shot night 1 in the least. I'm just not seeing a major difference between a mass claim now (or in the action locked hour before dawn) and doing it at day break. If you don't want to let actions be changed off of it then let's do it in the hour after actions get locked. Btw, if you happen to be a vigilante then don't shoot tonight. | ||
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...FFS how did I miss that, I specifically remember reading the posts directly above and below that one >_< Well, OK then. How are we going to do this? | ||
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On March 16 2013 07:29 geript wrote: I've read a little bit about setting an order beforehand, or using a RNG to set one, or stuff like that to make sure mafia can't go last and thus get out of stuff. Do you think we need to do any of that? What about people that are "not around"?At 1 hour prior to day (starting at 8pm est [dst]) then everyone should roleclaim. This will be after actions will be locked in. If you can spawn, then spawn then. | ||
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bduddy
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bduddy
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On March 16 2013 11:46 OmniEulogy wrote: Spoiler: I'm clean. Or he says I'm not, which means he's mafia.I'd like to know what came back to Krafla as well but its like 3-4am in the UK and we would have to wait for another 12~ hours Yes, I obviously know that you're not willing to just trust me, because otherwise you wouldn't be waiting for him to come back in the first place. Just saying... | ||
bduddy
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On March 16 2013 15:21 Krafla wrote: If I was a Godfather and also had a RB + 2 other mafia, I would be apologizing at this point because that would just be unfair.Out of interest how do we know he's not the Godfather? Is it just too unlikely? (NOTE: To avoid any confusion like that which happened last time, I am not a Godfather. I am speaking of a hypothetical situation.) | ||
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