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On March 09 2013 09:33 Arctic Daishi wrote:Thanks for the advice and help, Promethelax. . I'm almost willing to believe him. Almost. AD, whoever your coach actually is, I would start PM'ing him some more, because it's not quite over yet. I'm still voting for you, though.
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Well... good job, team. Or something like that, anyway.
You know you can do that after you actually get lynched, right?
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On March 09 2013 09:59 Arctic Daishi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol well if true it was a valiant attempt with half an hour to go to try and get your innocence going. Hopefully you learn a little for next time! Thanks, I thought the mention of Promethelax was particularly witty. Too little, too late. Saying that you don't know what you're doing doesn't really help that much either, because even if you're town we still don't really want to keep you. Do what I've been doing: just pretend that you know what's going on.
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And also, we still need to keep an eye on anyone that defended or refused to vote for AD, even if they eventually switched (once it became relatively obvious that he was going down). Matriarch, MLuneth, and Krafla never switched their vote; I'd be willing to bet at least one of them was scum trying to keep AD in it.
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I just noticed that MLuneth, possibly among others, never unvoted. Is that strictly necessary?
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On March 09 2013 14:01 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 13:31 bduddy wrote: I just noticed that MLuneth, possibly among others, never unvoted. Is that strictly necessary? He voted for NW. I know, but most of us were #unvoting our current vote before we #voted again, and I wanted to know if that was necessary or not.
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I don't want to post too much right now, but on the off chance I get killed I just want to emphasize how much you guys should be looking at who was defending AD, who wasn't, and when. That's the best avenue we have right now.
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On March 10 2013 09:44 MeatlessTaco wrote: I don't see the logic in Krafla's claim. Why would they roleblock him? Possibly because he didn't post much, but I'm not really buying his story much either, especially given that he was a NW voter until the end.
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On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 09:45 geript wrote: Here's the option I like the most: ## vote omnieulogy You're interested in finding out Luneth's alignment and doesn't change a thing. I'll explain more in detail late tonight but here's a summary: Soft defenses of Artic Nothing but mudslinging Further suspicions without trying to actually pressure Overall no interest in pressuring players Interest in wasting time discussing worthless matters Presenting 2 bad cases without follow up If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days. What? That makes no sense. I'm not entirely sure about him either, although I am still suspicious of his Arctic defense, but if he or anyone else is our clearest scum option he needs to go. Krafla still needs to explain himself a little more, but most of all we need to hear more from Matriarch. Yes, I know she may have more important things to do, but either she needs to start contributing, find a replacement, or became Arctic part 2.
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On March 10 2013 11:13 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Ugh need a spell/grammar checker or something. + Show Spoiler + EBWOP: Just because you were forced to switch to my better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feet. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced.
Is this what you are talking about? Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 09 2013 06:15 Arctic Daishi wrote:On March 09 2013 06:10 Frorgon wrote: @Arctic What about Omni's case is so "great"? The claim that I have contributed the least? Because I'm pretty sure you've contributed less than me. Seems pretty easy for you to just sit back and buddy up with people without at least explaining why you like their case so much. In this post: On March 08 2013 06:29 Frorgon wrote: @OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up. You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation? Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi does everybody develop short-term memory loss when describing how they first voted for people? First Taco and now you. Can you tell me how what Arctic did was different from Chew? You just jumped on the right one between the two of them (possible that they are both scum). Your two line case on a scummy lurker was great. Took a lot of effort I'm sure. Almost as much as my case on Frorgon. It didn't take long or complex analysis to realize that Arctic was scum. The main difference was that CoS posted nothing, AD posted scummy posts. CoS definitely needs to remain under suspicion, but it's possible at this point that he's just away from the Internet for some reason.
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At this point I'm most worried about Krafla. A first day of few, useless posts, except an out-of-nowhere, poorly justified, and essentially bandwagoning vote of NW, followed by that whole story about being a one-shot cop. I'm also worried about this:
I thought it better to lynch someone who would give us some information by letting us read into their posts. As I mentioned I had doubts on nobodywonder and MeatlessTaco but I felt that Meatless had promoted more interesting conversation than nobodywonder, so that's where I placed my vote. WTF does that mean? The point of this game is to lynch the mafia, not to lynch the most interesting people. Yes, his story does somewhat make sense (I was lurking because I was a blue), but at the same time, why did he continue to lurk so much if he was only a one-shotter, planning to use his power at his first opportunity, and was never under real threat? It does seem like a waste of a risky fakeclaim to simply say "I was roleblocked", but that could just be Krafla playing it safe, or playing badly.
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On March 10 2013 11:36 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 11:26 bduddy wrote:On March 10 2013 11:13 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 10 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Ugh need a spell/grammar checker or something. + Show Spoiler + EBWOP: Just because you were forced to switch to my better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feet. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced.
Is this what you are talking about? On March 09 2013 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 09 2013 06:15 Arctic Daishi wrote:On March 09 2013 06:10 Frorgon wrote: @Arctic What about Omni's case is so "great"? The claim that I have contributed the least? Because I'm pretty sure you've contributed less than me. Seems pretty easy for you to just sit back and buddy up with people without at least explaining why you like their case so much. In this post: On March 08 2013 06:29 Frorgon wrote: @OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up. You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation? Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi does everybody develop short-term memory loss when describing how they first voted for people? First Taco and now you. Can you tell me how what Arctic did was different from Chew? You just jumped on the right one between the two of them (possible that they are both scum). Your two line case on a scummy lurker was great. Took a lot of effort I'm sure. Almost as much as my case on Frorgon. It didn't take long or complex analysis to realize that Arctic was scum. The main difference was that CoS posted nothing, AD posted scummy posts. CoS definitely needs to remain under suspicion, but it's possible at this point that he's just away from the Internet for some reason. considering he's no longer in the game and has been replaced we lost a pretty good chance to find out. But my point still stands that if Arctic hadn't played as if he was brain dead we most likely wouldn't have ended up lynching him due to the fact that he looked exactly like Chew, and every lurker seems scummy. I somehow totally forgot that CoS got replaced... yeah.
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Whoa, this MLuneth bandwagon is moving awfully quickly. I don't see most of Rainbows' case as pointing scum any more than it points to a legitimate town newbie. Is everyone else really just buying Krafla's story at face value? And Rainbows... could you please explain exactly why we should not be voting for OE?
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On March 11 2013 04:29 Frorgon wrote: @bduddy Just to clarify a few things, while Rainbows made a decent case, his case isn't necessarily the reason for a MLuneth "bandwagon". MLuneth was already looking incredibly scummy before Rainbows gave his opinion, and if you review the N1 posts you see that WoS and myself were already pointing at Luneth as the scummiest looking person.
As far as Krafla, I agree that it could be a total lie, but you need to actually read the discussion about this. Basically, if WoS was jailed, it makes it entirely possible that Mafia randomly chose who to roleblock and chose correctly. This has already been explained. And it's fairly plausible because Krafla wasn't very active on D1 but blues don't necessarily want to look too threatening off the bat.
I'd also like you to try to explain why we should be voting for OE rather than to try and get Rainbows to do all the work and tell you why you shouldn't. Or are you trying to keep quiet?
@Matriarch where are you? Right now we have 2 concrete pieces of information: AD was scum, and no one got killed last night. I like going on concrete information (probably because I'm not good at reading people in general, Mafia or not ) and so my natural target is the person that spent the most time defending AD - that's OE, pretty clearly. It's possible that the remaining mafia members saw his absence and decided to bus him early, but somehow I don't see that happening in a game like this - I'm not sure, though, that's why I haven't voted yet.
Speaking of the other piece of information we have - would it be at all worth it for our town roleblocker to claim now with who they blocked? I guess he's not a one-shot or he presumably would have done so already, but getting rid of another mafia in exchange for that seems like a good trade to me. Of course there are risks - fakeclaims, maybe we have more than one roleblocker, maybe the mafia is pulling some ridiculous gambit - I'm not saying anyone should do it now, I just want to start a discussion.
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Considering that there are no more replacements, what happens if someone gets modkilled?
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On March 11 2013 06:04 Frorgon wrote: Especially considering that the roleblock was not likely placed on the mafia. How do you get that? The mafia almost certainly chose to kill someone last night - the only reason they didn't is that they were roleblocked. This game doesn't have a doctor.
Or if the roleblocker was able to RB the mafia with kill power, the mafia roleblocker would use that information to roleblock him and ensure that the kill goes through next time. All mafia have kill power in this game (read the PMs). Unless there's only one mafia left, which is highly unlikely, it's not going to be the same guy killing next time. Yes, I know that someone who claimed town RB right now would obviously become a mafia target, but if we get a mafia out of that I think that's a good trade for us.
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On March 11 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:19 bduddy wrote:On March 11 2013 06:04 Frorgon wrote: Especially considering that the roleblock was not likely placed on the mafia. How do you get that? The mafia almost certainly chose to kill someone last night - the only reason they didn't is that they were roleblocked. This game doesn't have a doctor. Or if the roleblocker was able to RB the mafia with kill power, the mafia roleblocker would use that information to roleblock him and ensure that the kill goes through next time. All mafia have kill power in this game (read the PMs). Unless there's only one mafia left, which is highly unlikely, it's not going to be the same guy killing next time. Yes, I know that someone who claimed town RB right now would obviously become a mafia target, but if we get a mafia out of that I think that's a good trade for us. Wrong, bduddy. Chances are very slim that we have both a RB and a JK; that would most likely be imbalanced. The JK protected me (I was roleblocked) which is why there was no kill last night. ...yeah, that does make sense as well, I had forgotten about your post. Sorry for acting like such an idiot, I'm just not used to playing with roles like this (or serious Mafia games at all, really). Considering that all of my other cases have been shit, I'm starting to come around to the arguments about MeatlessTaco. In fact, until he comes up with some good answers, ##Vote: MeatlessTaco
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On March 11 2013 06:41 geript wrote: @bduddy You were the one to initially bring up the OE defenses of Artic. You ALSO brought up how OE wasn't really trying to push his Taco case. Do you not like my case vs OE?
Don't worry, I'm still keeping my eye on OE - we have time, after all. But MT's posting has just been terrible in general, and I want to see what he has to say about the accusations against him.
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I mean... Matriarch also is by far the worst lurker left. If she comes back in a similar manner as AD, well, hopefully we can end up with the same result (unless scum/AWOLs mean we can't switch fast enough...)
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And at this point I'm basically waiting for a response from MT. Either he'll move this game forward, or he'll try and fail to weasel himself out of it while providing nothing (like what he's been doing the whole game), thus assuring his own demise.
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