EPTFirst game with elections for me, I was wondering where those mayor games had gone.
Thanks BC!
TL Mafia LIX
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
First game with elections for me, I was wondering where those mayor games had gone. Thanks BC! | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
 | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Hello fellow townspeople, I am writing from a desolate and close to the sea location slightly south of Rome, called Anzio. I am passing my weekends here, taking a break from my hard studies, and I will contribute my best to hunt scum in this game. ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGkA5cRt1so/T7QPaXKSSvI/AAAAAAAADJo/YgJgCe2rnTs/s1600/324-180-Giovanni_Falcone.jpg) I aim to take the seat of Mayor. The person in the picture will be the paragon of my play: Giovanni Falcone, Italy's greatest scumhunter of the past centuries. Since this great man was killed by a violent accident following the explosion of 500 Kg of TNT, I plan to achieve more longevity than him in order to achieve our goals. To do so, I will need bodyguards, I will need influence, and most importantly, I will need this seat to be free of scum to make sure that no corrupt politician will escape the vigilant eyes of our Detective(s). For this I can guarantee if you elect me! My agenda
[ ] I have read and agreed with the Terms of Service [ ] Yes, please send me the daily newsletter of Barilla ##Vote Vivax | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 10:43 prplhz wrote: i am running for mayor i will lynch chezinu that's non negotiable @Vivax Why are you running for mayor? All you say is "I might do this, I might do that, I don't like scum, vote for me." and it seems like you don't know why you are running for mayor either. Why would we put you into office over these vets that you're not going to lynch because of how valuable they are to town? I know why I'm running for Mayor: I am a potentially valuable townie. I know this by myself, although I might have no reputation to back it up for you. It's the duty of a townie to take these seats, to take them away from scum. But I already wrote this in my candidacy post, so I don't see why I should be redundant. Your question seems rather...rhetorical. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 10:35 AxleGreaser wrote: You seek my trust and endorsement, i seek your clarity of purpose, commitment to that purpose and lack of room to wriggle out of it. You say: "I am no friend of rigid policies" Cool they suck and get gamed easily as soon as there is any one fixed rule... (via a rock paper scissors paradigm) yet you also say... giving these guys, these dangerous vet guys your blessing on a free pass "I am not going to lynch players D1 of whom I know that they are potentially very valuable townies, simply put: Vets." sounds like a rigid policy After LVIII exactly how much can they now shit up the thread D1 on the back of your promise.... You say: "My major influence in steering the outcome of a lynch will be applied to pressure people." I like pressure plays here is one of mine.... Where does the buck stop though? Does it ever stop with you? You say: "You will put responsibility into my hands, and by doing so you realize that I will make use of that responsibility as I see fit. " What exactly is it that goes with responsibility? Can you say.... You say: "I won't be an extra weight for bandwagons, by voting me you trust my judgement," Indeed we will be but how will we judge if we were right todo so... or are you claiming insinuating our mind must be irretrievably conformation biased after this? You say: " and by voting me you acknowledge that I might use my power day 1 to cause the lynch I see as best." I certainly do acknowledge that you may well have the wisdom and skill to choose other than town thinks. What wager were you placing on your call being right again? Hello Axle. I noticed your concern about my absence following the candidacy. It was a fair one, but it also looked overemphasized. As you see, I kindly provided you my time zone, and deadline for me is at 2 AM. I stuck around for 30 minutes before going to bed since I should be keeping a healthy rhythm. I was expecting early-game to be more active than that from the start. I think however that this will give me good indications on who is trying to paint me red based on my recent inactivity. These people obviously didn't use their brain and bother determining my time-zone to think of plausible reasons for suspecting me, and finding easy reasons to lynch a townie is a scummy trait, unless they believe that man should always play mafia past 3 AM. As I am writing this, Sandroba just noticed JieXian being one of them. Now to less serious matters, I will go through your points: 1. I didn't treat my veteran no-lynch-policy as a lynch-policy, cause...There, I wrote it. You are right at pointing out that I expressed it as a rigid policy however. Allow me to adapt to that. I am still going to pick a scummy candidate for lynch, but I would be extra careful about picking a veteran and personally dislike it for two reasons: I don't know you as well as you know each other; I already mentioned that the potential of losing a good townie is scary. 2. I don't know if I can consider yours to be pressure play. You are asking a mayor candidate questions. If you see it as pressure play, then maybe cause you see yourself forced to apply it rather than feeling like you're asking legitimate questions. 3 + 4. I mentioned what I mean with responsibility. If the majority of town wants a lynch, but I think another one is better, then I might pick the latter, even at risk of getting lynched. If you elect me you entrust me this power and know I might make use of it. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:14 AxleGreaser wrote: @Vivax A while ago, I made this post...http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17574831 In it I said.. You say: "My major influence in steering the outcome of a lynch will be applied to pressure people." I like pressure plays here is one of mine.... Where does the buck stop though? Does it ever stop with you? At the time i was referring to pressure applied to mayoral candidates to be clear on their agenda. The thread turned up distracted me and I lost that. Please be aware I do read my own filter too. Thsoe uestions are also pertinent to your continued existence. Remeber you yourself want to leave the Lurkers to the Vigis Is it your intention to answer the questions I put to you? If not Why Not? You do remember we are also hunting scum today... yes? Ok this question gets past just mayoral priorities You say "After D1, lurkers will be attacked." Why not D1... You having posted your candidacy are now Lurking? Was that it? Lots of obsolete questions here, except for one: Why not attack lurkers Day1? "Attack" is the wrong word. I simply wouldn't lynch them Day1. There's the chance that they get modkilled, and there's the chance that they just avoid modkills, but that can only happen past Day1. Amirite? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Important matters Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian. (And just now, Oatsmaster, but he actually used his brain). Sandro already called out one of them = JieXian. That said, if sandro ran for mayor, I would elect him too. I like that read. Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be! | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
mkfuba07 /confirm'd but didn't post anything since Daypost. Other "lurkers" didn't /confirm at all. @ mkfuba07 Why so silent?Who do you think is scum?Who would you elect? @ Djodref Hello Djodref. You have been asking a lot of questions lately. May I beg for you to answer mine first? What do you think of JieXian? Who would you vote for Mayor right now? Any tentative scumreads? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Do you think I'm town? @ Yamato Do you have scumreads right now? Do you think I'm town?Who would you elect for Mayor? What do you think of JieXian? We need opinions on him. You said you're scum-hunting. Where are your reads then? Why answer questions and then rush out? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If you read the first lines of my candidacy, you should know I'm in the CET time zone. I said I'm south of Rome. That wasn't flavour. I'll let you know that I disregard your play, and quoting you again and answering to your points will be just another waste of time. You aren't hunting scum, you are tunneling a player and circle-jerking over single lines. You said you played two games, right? Well, if you are town, then start considering that there are 5 scum in this game. Or are you just trying to make my candidacy look bad? Well, no one seems willing to vote me yet, so why bother? I am curious though. What is your read on JieXian? I suppose you don't think I'm town? What do you make of Djo dodging my question? Do you have a read on him? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 21:53 Djodref wrote: @ Vivax I think that JieXian is a lynch-bait when he is town. I don't have enough post from him to have a good read on him. I could imagine town JieXian doing this kind of opening post. So, he's null for now, and I wouldn't lynch him. I have no idea who to vote yet but gonzaw looks the towniest among the candidates so farin my view, but I need to know who he is planning to lynch before I cast my vote. I'm suspicious of austin and Clarity so far. Clarity because he doesn't match his usual town activity and doesn't look very involved. Austin because he didn't say much about the mayoral election, so I wonder if he really cares who is going to be elected. About you, I don't know, I would say town because the feeling I've got from you posts is different from our last scum game, but maybe the problem I have is simply that I don't know your alignment this time  So slightly town on you. But why do you ask ? Could you also answer my questions now ? Thanks for sharing your reads Djo. I will answer your questions. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 20:19 Djodref wrote: @ Vivax What do you plan to do if JieXian isn't more active today ? Wouldn't it be a lurker lynch ? What else didn't you like in his opening post ? 1. I am looking for scum elsewhere. It's not like JieXian could be the only one. I honestly don't think this is a good question. What else would you expect me to answer? 2. Well, define lurker. For me lurkers are the guys that don't share anything/troll and vote to not get modkilled. But you should know that JieXian isn't in the crossfire just for lurking. 3. Cause the whole post if useless for finding scum. Look at that post and tell me: What would JieXian want to achieve with that? I see 4 things: → getting gonzaw elected → defending Axle → drive-by-shitthrowing at me without even caring about commenting on anything I wrote. → Joking with Toad about something from earlier games. He simply looks like he doesn't give a fuck about scumhunting. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote: I have questions, too:
@ Mocsta Can you tell me why asking for a JieXian lynch isn't pressure? Do you want me to direct a question at him before asking for a lynch? Ok fine. @ JieXian Hey dude, I think you are scum, Problem? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I was looking for an answer, and this is it? You think I am scum cause? I announce my candidacy and then go to sleep? You answer with a metaphor that I don't see apply here anyway? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Why do you suspect exactly debears out of all lurkers? Cause austin already mentioned him? Would you still vote for gonzaw as mayor? @ Clarity When will you be dropping your promised reads? I am taking back the support until I see something good. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Isn't he "professional" enough? That's not an answer to why you picked debears out of all lurkers by the way. Did you read the whole thread or do you just hook up to the closest case? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Do you have any other 'reads" besides debears? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
1st of all: Tell us who you want to lynch. Tell us about your pool of favourite candidates. Tell us about the "sandroba" matter you were talking about earlier. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:17 gonzaw wrote: )You do realize it's a completely different kind of game than "standard" mafia right? The anti-town factions in that game weren't trying to hide like they do in normal games. I'm good at catching the anti-town guys trying to hide  Toad, what do you make of sandro not running for mayor? He didn't post anything other than that too, although I think he made another one-liner. For the life of me I can't figure out a "plan" town sandro can come up with that doesn't deal with him being mayor, so he's either bullshitting or severely sub-optimally playing (from his POV if he's town). Anyways it's getting late so Imma play some fifa and go to sleep You didn't talk about this matter any more? What is your opinion on sandro? Did you consider Toads' answer in reaching your judgement? On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: @Vivax: You being AFK after your candidacy post was weird because I'd think a townie would post his candidacy and hang around for a while to respond to questions. You going afk seemed too sudden as well. If you say you were sleeping, then I guess that's null and there's nothing we can do about it, since it's most likely true regardless of your alignment. Well, assume for a moment that I didn't go to sleep, since that's what you assumed initially. How would a player posting a candidacy and then simply lurking and not answering questions be mafia? What exactly would mafia want to accomplish by doing that? On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: I'm not enjoying this "aggressiveness" you are showing Vivax, seems too needlessly provocative. Although you running for mayor in the first place (while being considered "not-vet" by most of us) doesn't really seem like something you'd do as scum, and maybe this "aggressiveness" stuff just means you are getting over-excited or something. Meh, certainly not enough to make any call other than leaning slightly town on you (gut feeling) so I'll let that pass. Can you show me where I'm aggressive? Can you show me where I'm not? Do you think that pressuring people to give out information is aggressiveness? Didn't you like my play? On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: I do have to say that I agree with austin that JieXian's 1st post wasn't as "scummy" as many people (you+sandro) pointed out, it's null at worst. I think the 1st posts from many other people would be "far" more scummy (in relation, not objectively at least), like our guy Stutters' up there, and maybe other's like FiveTouch, or maybe even debears. Expand on why you think JieXian's post looks townie. If it's null, tell me what about JieXian makes you think he's not to worry about. On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: Why did you give Jiexian so much flak Vivax? Why did you instantly want to lynch him instead of other's (based on their 1st post as well)? Do you want me to tell my scumreads that I really like them and that I don't want to lynch them? I am sure that's the way to get them talking /sarcasm. Bad question. Sorry bro, I thought you were the vet. JieXian was around, he was my top scumread, so he gets the flak. It's not hard. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: Speaking of those, 5's first post is somewhat suspicious: First statement in the whole game and it's just to cast doubt on someone random from the thread. Of course not mentioning the unfounded vote on austin...which to be honest is more of a null tell than scum tell since I can't really see much benefit to do so as scum, other than the usual "create chaos/wifom" strategy. He doesn't come in to post his thoughts on any current discussion, nor to be part of any discussion/etc. That's what townies usually do, to try to establish a nice town atmosphere, get info, and establish their innocence. Reminds me of JingleHell's first posts in Aperture Mafia 2 (where he was scum and i called him out for basically the same thing). There's not much about debears other than a "derp" start, so let's just wait and see what he does when he comes back. Don't you think it's a legitimate statement? Oats said: "JieXian only expressed a mayor preference, didn't specify anything else. Still, why call him scum?" According to you and Oats we should just ignore posts like these? We got explanations and reactions out JieXian, and that's not cause people were nice to him. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I would prefer you as mayor over all current other options, and I'm not going to lynch you cause you hit the wrong target once or twice. But I demand an open hear to this promising newcomer I am, and I want to communicate that I am a good candidate for mayor too. I don't trust all others, just clarity if he impresses me with the reads he's going to come up with. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use. If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position. Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position. I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote: Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yamato, you seem to not be able or willing to view things from my position. I do care a lot about who becomes mayor, hence my initial candidacy. Why am I just voting the guy who is seen as the strongest town player in here and at the same time the guy who finds JieXian scummy along with me? You only mention the "if he's scum"-argument, that looks like you have a predisposition to paint me scummy in the first place... Why would you want to vote for Chezinu? That is something people that don't care about town would do. I wouldn't put my faith into a guy who speaks in riddles. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
So, are you in favour of a Chez or a DearestSnot mayor now? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 21 2013 09:40 Vivax wrote: Good to know. So, are you in favour of a Chez or a DearestSnot mayor now? Hello yamato. Why would you like a dearestsnot election? Who do you think is scum besides me? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I find it concerning that you first defend a Chezinu election and then say you wouldn't vote for him. I thought you would be pushing your favourite candidate besides yourself. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 21 2013 09:52 yamato77 wrote: Did I say I would like a bugs election? I don't think so. I wanted to know why Toad didn't, but not because I did. I'm not sure yet. People are doing some weird shit this game. 1. And why would you want to know why Toad wouldn't want to elect WBG if you don't want to elect him? 2. Wrong answer bro. You find people scummy for attacking Chezinu? Why only me and not FH or prplhz? Cause I want to elect the potentially strongest townie into that seat? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 21 2013 10:02 yamato77 wrote: Are you, like, trying to OMGUS me right here or something, because I'm not sure if you're being intentionally thick just to try to make me look bad or if you're actually this stupid. Why wouldn't I want to know why Toad doesn't want WBG elected? I find your attack on Chezinu scummy. I didn't say anything about anyone else, nor do I necessarily agree with the "Chezinu Rule" concept. The way you dismissed everyone I consider to be a candidate worth voting for just to justify your useless vote on Sandroba was scummy. The fact that you took extra special attention to blowing off Chezinu makes me think you simply want to discredit his candidacy for reasons I have yet to hear from your mouth. Comprende, hombre? 1. Cause a) In reality you don't give a shit about WBG being elected b) You don't suspect Toad to be scum anyway. So your question was pointless, you just tried to ask some random shit to look like you're contributing. 2. I don't want to vote for Chezinu cause he trolls and is almost impossible to read. The Chezinu rule has nothing to do with this, you're just mentioning it for I don't know what reason. Probably cause you can't explain why you ignore everyone else speaking against a Chezinu mayor. I am scummy for voting the strongest town player in here. Ok. Speaks for itself. Yamato is scum. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else): You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam. You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences. Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly. @ debears Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice. I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat. @ gonzaw There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer. I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me. @ Toad I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town. I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot. You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve. I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages. If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm. But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play. How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more. I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information. I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way. Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts. I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet. You will absolutely not regret me being elected. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Say, why do you think Djodref is scum? Would you support a candidate who wants to lynch him? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Then I assume, since me and Toad are probably not going to get lynched today, that you will vote for the candidate that lynches Djo? @ Oatsmaster Would you support me/Toad/Sandro as elected role? If FT stops wanting to lynch you, will you support him? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ After looking at his meta, I support a prplhz lynch as well. I especially looked at his town meta: Looney lynching - town → More outspoken, more active, doesn't act as much as like he's not giving fuck as he does in this game. Rockband Mini - town → Shares reads very early, opposes random lynching (here he asks for Chez lynch immediately). Doesn't act like he doesn't give a fuck (as here). Significantly becomes more active when his mislynch is gaining steam. He posts a lot with not much time difference between the posts. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Well, I'm counting on you to vote FT then. I fear your chances of getting a seat are worse than mine though. Aren't you aware of that? @ Oats I have quite a few people I would lynch. But I don't think calling them all out would be beneficial to my cause. Bad timing, and it would be pointless without the mayors' seat in prospect. You didn't answer by the way. Would you vote FT if he didn't want to lynch you? Or, to ask it differently: Why aren't you convinced by the prplhz matter? It doesn't seem to interest you. You say FT looks so townish, but you aren't interested into his current scumread? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 21 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote: I agree with the Prplhz stuff, in terms of the difference in meta. HOWEVER, I dont see his actions to be objectively scummy yet. 5 touch has expressed interest in lynching me as opposed to prplhz at this point of time. Must of skipped over this Vivax huh. No I saw it. I just want you to stick to a decision. Looks to me like you're trying to keep a back-door open. I would think about voting him Who else would you vote besides him? What do you mean by "objectively scummy"? Isn't his big difference in play objectively scummy? Announcing a candidacy by just wanting to kill Chez? Being so inactive? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 21 2013 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Objectively scummy means that without reference to meta, lets say its his first game, how is wanting to policy lynch Chez inherently scummy? Well if 5touch wants to lynch someone that isnt me but someone I think is town, I will not vote for him. If he wants to lynch someone I think is scum, I would probably vote for him IF nothing changes. Mafia is a changing game and you gotta adapt. You needed some time to think about that answer eh? So you think using meta is subjective? I take that your current scumread is gonzaw? Anyone else? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 00:11 annul wrote: i find it funny that my analyses and accusations have gone completely ignored That's cause they suck and everyone knows it . | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
[list] [*] You mention that I attack people out of OMGUS. Why don't you consider the counter-examples in your reasoning? I didn't attack everyone for suspecting me. You should know this best since you were one of them. [*] You think my cases are bad and that I'm scum. That implies two things: You have a town read on JX, and you have a town read on yamato. Is this correct? [*] You didn't push yamato as mayor candidate when he announced it even though I'm your top scumread and you probably think he's town. You don't express a preference for mayor candidates at all, so tell me: Why so disinterested in who gets the spot? Who are your favourite candidates? [*] I am just one possible scum out of five. Did you form any scumreads outside of me? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Gonzaw isn't trustworthy for shoveling shit at me for being absent after my candidacy like JX did + trying to be overly politically correct to everyone. austin isn't trustworthy for using artificial reasons to defend JX and picking stutters as lynch candidate. Austin used the argument: "Slight paranoia is townie" cause he wrote something about a Toad jester. Austin clearly didn't give a shit about JXs alignment from the start. That's my interpretation. FT already pointed out that this was a mistake. Seriously, stay the fuck away from gonzaw and austin. I'd rather have Chezinu mayor than these two. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
As vet you should know best about sandros accuracy, and you making such a mistake while analysing sandros scumread shows that you were sloppy where you shouldn't be. It was a big mistake. We don't have a jester, and you didn't follow JXs line of thought. Following the line of thought is essential in finding scum, so I assume you didn't have that intention when commenting on his post, intention you should have when sandro points it out and you are town. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Just make me his second hand and this town is set for victory. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 02:36 debears wrote: Those two statements are a huge contradiction You are right, but frankly, I couldn't care less about it. I wrote that cause I don't want Djo, Oats or yamato in office. I consider myself to be such a good candidate that I exempted myself from that. @ austin I don't make too much out of that interaction with yamato, doesn't look like something valuable to determine if he's scum. He could ask that question as either alignment. Yamato started out with saying sandro is bright red, then he lost interest after an answer by sandro he considered convenient. Looks like a question that had to be asked. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration. And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky. I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town. Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Gonna put my location cause someone is not reading. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote: I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling. It's not. Scum knows I'm town, so they have no interest into electing me. If JX says he might elect me, then I see it as a townie point. You need to work on taking the point of view of a townie. But maybe that's not the point you're making. How is it a scum claim? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote: Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag Cool, why did you lie then? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote: *snip* No one would bother to slowly dissect your long post for a time zone when your tag says US. Don't need to give me a defense that was already mentioned, wth can't you even realise yet that I don't think it's very likely that you're scum? I was very worried about being too rude and pissing you off. But I guess I should be clear: I think it's more likely that you didn't change from our first game rather than you being scum. Cool story, if that's the only argument I think you just got lucky that game and you're townie then. On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote: Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag Wouldn't it be funny if I just hit scum with my time-zone-unawareness-argument and no one still commented on this or how JX dodged my question? He clearly lied about it. Could just have said: "Meh, didn't think about it". Doesn't it make him look like he knows he's guilty? This question is especially relevant for the people thinking he's town. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
What exactly do you want me to do? Isn't it electing austin? To lynch whom? Stutters for playing like I know him from D1? No thanks. Look, I find people suspicious who shovelled shit at me for my absence. I find people super suspicious who instead of posting their reasoning about it (like gonzaw did=semi-admitting that it wasn't a good point and in the end null cause I was sleeping) write that they had a reason to do so cause of some outer reason that has nothing to do with their thinking (the US tag), which then turns out to be wrong. When called out for it, they don't answer. Tell me, wouldn't you suspect scum behind it? You seem to be really convinced that he is town. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I'm voting Toad if we can manage to get him into that position though. Sorry bro  . | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Good that you bring up annul, FT. Would you deem him lynch worthy? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
At least that'd be my idea of optimal play in this case. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Are you open to other suggestions why I think JX is scum? Oats is kinda linked to him with that quick defence post, but I'd kinda have a hard time seeing scum defending other scum, even less a townie like that. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote: Vivax, Given that you seem to want toad with bodyguards, and toad wants toad with bodyguards, but does not want Chez with bodyguards, why keep your vote on Chez? I try to lie a lot and attract attention to me by playing inconsistently so that I can lead my scumbuddies to victory obviously, why do you ask? Until Toad gets another vote you'll be sheriff top candidate if I switch to Toad (you still are cause you got majority first I think). So my vote stays where it is. Pointless question, I already said why I switched to Chez before. I'm writing a JX analysis. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
→ implying it makes sense for a scum toad to contact sandro. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Does it mean you think he's scum? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Please lynch JX + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: *snipped axle coherency comment* I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. *question to host and gonzaw vote* *Joking about earlier game* I took a look at what reads he meant. Written by gonz very early, probably not serious: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote: *snip Seems like sandro flipped scum again. Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town? Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with. It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote: Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread: 1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign. 2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions. It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps. There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro. However, in the next post: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made. Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol. I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence. He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters? As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor. Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it). Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him. These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads. More or less like this one in the second post after: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote: I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro. JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw). He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw. No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote: didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote: I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post. Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote: Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping. Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I would like if some vet expressed his opinion about my JX analysis, although I didn't analyse every post. It's even more concerning that no one besides me and sandro suspected him for what he did. He could have been a good target for scum, but he's scum himself. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Something tells me it's prplhz. But it seems like a pure meta decision, can you feel confident enough in it? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
 | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Do you think he's scummier than annul? @ Oats If you are confused by my case, then you should read it again. It rather confuses me that you summarize it like that and put it apart. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I like your case , I will support an annul lynch tomorrow if JX doesn't get lynched. I kinda had my doubts about you to be honest, but your latest contributions made me change my mind. I am also quite interested in debears and mkfuba for their lurky, passive-aggressive style, we shouldn't forget Chezinu either for trying to stop Toad from being elected. What do you think about them? Going to a birthday, I'll be back one or two hours before deadline. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You're awesome for replying with that pic. I laughed quite a bit irl. Meanwhile, yamato and annul are arguing about who did something utterly stupid first, this game is a pretty good show. See you at the chopping block, annul. Keep it cool though, I have been insulted numerous times already in this game, too. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Information. I want to communicate that my last two posts didn't reflect my true opinion, I just wrote them cause I was afraid of scum shooting me. My strategies this game are so refined that you would need the competence of a profiler to understand them. I know I'm being a little cocky though | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Time to start over with my reads. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
.I'm not feeling too confident in an annul lynch, I was actually thinking that Djo is scum lol. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 23 2013 14:50 AxleGreaser wrote: Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well. However Bugs DID Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person. Toad Claims with logs that cant be verified. That he and Sandroba decided that together. I find that in itself implausible. I believe Sandroba is better than that. I believe Toad is better than that. That Scum then happened to luck out and guess who to attack when their other targets were so Low key.. is to me mind boggling lucky.... or it is a plan. If Toad is scum and takes the sheriff protection off Sandroba, scum kills Sandroba then Toad can claim the logs made him do it. Exactly how tricky does scum toad make his plans? I'm suspicious of Toad as well. I just don't see mafia being so precise or lucky with their kills without full knowledge of what he's going to do. I am against putting a taboo over the NK talk. For the fans of Ockham's : Mafia knew who was going to get jailed and that Bugs was going to be roleblocked, so they shot players like Djo and JX. Highly unlikely that they thought about 3² variations of WIFOM to determine their targets in such a way. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 23 2013 11:35 annul wrote: because there is only one mafia jack? On January 23 2013 11:36 annul wrote: or, i should say, there is either 0 or 1 mafia jacks. there is not 2. On January 23 2013 11:37 annul wrote: "These [potentially] four Mafia power roles must be separately distributed, meaning one Mafia member can only possess one of these powers." from the first page Scumslip. ? of ? Jacks remaining ##Vote annul | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I see the way he corrected himself as scummy. If he really thought what he said there he wouldn't have felt the need to immediately justify it afterwards, he justified it cause he knew he slipped. Mafia suffer from spotlight effect. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If there are multiple jacks possible is secondary. If you were so sure of it then you wouldn't have felt the need to correct yourself like that. Since you didn't mention that you considered the possibility that the third kill was from a town vigi, don't even think about pulling that card now. @ Toad Give me an estimation of scumminess among these, put them in preferencial order please: annul, yamato, gonzaw, mkfuba | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 23 2013 19:45 Vivax wrote: If there are multiple jacks possible is secondary. If you were so sure of only one jack then you wouldn't have felt the need to correct yourself like that. Since you didn't mention the possibility that the third kill was from a town vigi, don't even think about pulling that card now. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
because there is only one mafia jack? Thanks for pointing out that it even made less sense for you to say that after your former expressed considerations. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Who would you lynch first today, annul or gonzaw? What do you think about this thing I consider to be a scumslip? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Why not austin then? Or yamato? Or Chezinu? Or me? Are you so sure that they all are town? What do you think about fuba? Sandro was thinking he's scum in the second last logs. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 23 2013 20:14 Vivax wrote: Who would you lynch first today, annul or gonzaw? What do you think about this thing I consider to be a scumslip? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You say: "I think one and only one is scum among the mayor candidates, gonzaw and annul are probably scum cause everyone else I have a town read on." | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
No offence, but thanks for making it legible and for the good contribution. On January 23 2013 20:45 Toadesstern wrote: He was wasting his vote by putting it on himself and he was against the prplhz lynch. These points you mention about annul actually made me think he's town during the night. What would scum want to achieve with this? It's anti-town but a really risky thing to do for scum. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I don't believe that you would risk sandro getting killed if you were town assuming some derp scum wifomplay behind the NKs. I also can't confirm the authenticity of the logs you posted since sandro died. You should have posted them before. And you should know that. There is no Toad-Paranoia, stop playing den Empörten. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You could just answer the question if you were town? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You didn't save the guy you consider to be the best townie in this game to jail whom? Bugs? I'm not buying it. That isn't solid play and doesn't align with your view on sandro. If I think you're scum then it's cause I would expect a higher standard from you as town. Scum hit 3/3 despite the huge insecurities in play. Especially the hit on sandroba was super risky. If they took that risk they should have taken the risk of hitting Bugs just to be sure, but they didn't. They went in precisely like a swiss clock. They took two players that weren't particularly threatening for them and that weren't particularly threatened by a lynch. Spit out who you are masoning this cycle. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 23 2013 15:00 Toadesstern wrote: -snip- I was telling people that I'm not going to tell people my target. I was telling people to randomly protect into Sand / WBG / Goznaw. -snip- And right after: On January 23 2013 16:12 Toadesstern wrote: wouldn't mind lynching into either gonzaw or Annul today. Have to reread a bit because they kind of rule out each other... Anyways doublelynch tomorrow should be voted for. Toad, why did you go from "protect gonzaw" to "I don't mind lynching gonzaw"? When I asked you said cause it's likely that he is the mafia mayor candidate. But why didn't you suspect him at all during the night then? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 23 2013 17:00 Toadesstern wrote: Also thought on the Annul matter would be much appreciated by anyone. I really think he's likely mafia but with the new information on Gonzaw it seems really risky to lynch into that today... Probably would like lynching someone else first for today. You mean this? Expand on that, you're keeping it vague. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You asked me a question, why so disinterested now? What's your take on Toad, gonzaw, yamato and annul? You think I'm town? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
[22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most [22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch [22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish [22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia Strange things to say considering your latest insecurity about who to lynch first between annul and gonzaw when asked. Care to tell us why Oats is town for pushing gonzaw? [22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2... [22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night." [22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections What did BC respond to this? Although he probably let Toad jail nonetheless. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If you lean scum on him, why don't you try to gather information from him? Why was the Djo NK making sense? I'm looking forward to your analysis of Annul and gonzaw. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
CTRL-F all of the things he quotes and says about Oats and proceed to lynch him. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Can you assume that Oats isn't scum for a moment and take a look at Toad? Thanks. You also posted a somewhat-read about gonzaw, but you aren't interested in hearing opinions about him?Or asking him questions? Where is gonzaw anyway? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 23 2013 16:12 Toadesstern wrote: wouldn't mind lynching into either gonzaw or Annul today. Have to reread a bit because they kind of rule out each other... Anyways doublelynch tomorrow should be voted for. On January 23 2013 20:45 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think it's a slip at all. Not sure who I'd want to lynch first at all. I'm trying to figure out how likely it is that mafia shot like total retards (besides the Sandro hit that ist) on purpose to make us think about someone else who might be mafia within the vets, which is the reason we're talking about gonzaw to begin with. gonzaw looks / looked a townie so far and I really thought he'd die as a secondary target as you can see when you're reading the logs between Sandro and myself. And Sandro agreed so that's one of the reaons I'm talking about Gonzaw right now. Annul's posts are awful in general. The ones he did on d1 didn't contribute or were trollish (the combination of both is what's troublesome). Like the wifom-picture post, like his very first (or 2nd?) post "causually" asking why I'm not considering to vote him instead of Sandro. And now he's basicly ragequitting although he's still hanging in here. That's at least something good I guess. On top of that I just never agreed with a single read he did. Saying I'm mafia d1, I think he said you (Vivax) are mafia d1 as well when EVERYONE agreed that you're one of the most townish looking guys around. Check my first log for timestamps on when I said something about you... like 3 hours into the game it was already certain for me, and for Sandro as well. He was wasting his vote by putting it on himself and he was against the prplhz lynch. This town needs help. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:52 Toadesstern wrote: this exactly. On a sidenote for medics: Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro. I'm not going to tell you my target. This was the post where Toad changed his mind about Oats. But Toad's latest scumreads before this post were: On January 22 2013 16:53 Toadesstern wrote: If you're pressing me to formulate a real list with the guys I'd pick if I had to right now I'd say it's: Annul as #1, oats or JX as #2, debears as #3, BKE as #4. clarity seems very unlikely to be mafia but it's possible I guess. 1st of all, super easy targets to pick as scum. Then, you changed your whole fucking read on Oats based on him being the first to make a case on gonzaw. He wanted gonzaw protected during that night and thought that his former scumread is suddenly town for making a case on someone he wants protected? No, actually, he and gonzaw are scumbuddies. Toad has seen the winds change towards a gonzaw lynch and has set himself up to bus him, that's why he switched stances on both of Oats and gonzaw so extremely. He obviously didn't have good reasons except for the bus motive to do so, that's why his answers regarding gonzaw and annul have been extremely bad and even contradict his opinion on gonzaw. Lynch either of them and thank me after the game, you noobs. Even Axle noticed this shit. FT is awful with his Oats tunnel. For sure not Palmar. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
It's telling that in none of your arguments you ask me why I think gonzaw is scum if I'm so sure about the connection between you two and you aren't sure about him. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
For now. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote: Toad/Vivax. I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold. I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just : Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him. I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages. Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote: The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
People this game. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 01:28 debears wrote: Your flip on Toad is dumb and scummy as shit, considering he finally agrees with you on gonzaw. Yet, you still rip him for voting gonzaw. Oh, and the only reason you find him scum is jk wifom. You disregard his(toads) whole d1 play in which you preached him as town. Oh, and you think him and Gonzaw are suddenly scum team. Congratulations vivax this game......... 1. My flip on Toad is based on much more than jk wifom. You would know it if you read his stance on gonzaw and Oats and the answers he provided when I asked him about various reads like yamato, gonzaw annul etc. 2. You're stupid to think that I can't change opinion on someone cause I had another one D1. It's neither scummy nor is it bad, and all the reasons for doing that are out there. I simply thought Toad was town D1. Now I don't believe it anymore. 3. I found gonzaw scummy very early. That is reflected in my distrust in him as elected role in my earlier posts. I am not ripping people for THAT they vote gonzaw, I rip them for HOW they vote him. And that's the reason why I asked so many questions about him. I'm not trying to dissuade people from doing so. In Toad's case it looks to me like he doesn't vote for him cause he suddenly reads him as scum. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 01:39 debears wrote: So when Djo and JX died over Gonzaw and Austin you didn't suddenly go "wow"? Why should I when I was suspicious of both of them in the first place? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
But you seem to not be too convinced yourself by these oh so thrilling revelations since you don't want to lynch him before annul. Really bad acting there. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 02:12 Mocsta wrote: You love delving into semantics dont you? Did you consider, CAPS LOCK is a lazy way to bold Anyways, i dont understand what your problem is? I was firm on Oatsmaster before reviewing Annul; I dislike Annul but we can only lynch one person a day. I still rate oatsmaster higher than Annul, so wheres the communication breakdown? You mean the syntax, I think it's a relevant thing to pay attention to yes. There is no particular problem, I just have the impression you're scum, that's all. My points regarding gonzaw, Toad, yamato (didn't expand on him yet) and you stand now. I don't want to lynch annul any more, I don't want to lynch Oats. I am not very arsed to keep playing right now and I should study more anyway. Enjoy my absence for now, I'll be back to post some time before deadline. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
The sheriff is able to send the PM during the night yes? Can there be multiple mafia powerroles of one kind? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 03:40 yamato77 wrote: I'm going to have to reassess what I think of this game, and I don't have the time to do it today. I'll be here tomorrow with a better idea of who I think is mafia. Right now there are definitely some weird things going on. For example you not being your tunnely self -you usually are as town- since day1 despite trying to look like you feel suspicious about certain things. Sorry, Napoleon. I know you shouldn't tell your enemies when they make mistakes. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You're simply more light-hearted as town. Here you became really worked up when I counter-accused at the start of the game. It's more like you try excessively to be a tunnely yamato. Seems like you're trying to do the opposite of what you did in your last scum game where you started out insecure, but even there I see a few posts where you act aggressive towards the people you are pushing. If you are town, do you mind answering a few questions? I'll be nice about them. - Who do you want to lynch most? I guess it's Oats or annul right? - You stopped pushing me at the end of N1 becoming wary of annul. What made you change your mind about me? - What do you think about Toad, gonzaw and Mocsta? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote: Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum. Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add. I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play. I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake On January 08 2013 07:48 yamato77 wrote: Is your only response to my suspicion of you "lol"? Let's say I vote you tomorrow with case attached, are you going to just lol that too? Fucking useless. On January 06 2013 19:02 yamato77 wrote: Xatalos what the fuck is that post? How is Shiao voting for a lurker who eventually got replaced scummy? He wants him to be more active, and somehow that's scum motivated? His stances are not weak. He's been putting pressure on me since he made the post, and he wants to do so to you. It's not like he's just saying shit to say it. And then this gem "I guess it's about time to finally cast a vote" Or in other words: "I'm going to put this riiiiight here. Hopefully town doesn't think I'm scummy for this!" That shit is weak, bro. Town Yamato + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2012 06:07 yamato77 wrote: I told you why I'm voting for you and your responses didn't help anything. I have plenty of reason. Other people may have read this and thought the same things. Why is sheeping people with good reads a bad thing anyway? On December 21 2012 06:11 yamato77 wrote: Convince me on Vivax then. If he's so scummy make an updated case with more content. All you've done is post your read and then ask everyone else what they thought of your read. That doesn't feel like scum hunting to me. On December 21 2012 06:19 yamato77 wrote: The differ pence is focus. You keep saying Vivax is scum but you've spent a lot more time discrediting Palmer than pushing your read on Vivax. You are not scum hunting. You are throwing shit at a town player. This is my point. I'm not being hypocritical because my focus is squarely set on you. You're scum, I'm voting for you, and I'm pushing my read and defending the case. You are doing none of these things. Wiggles was really mafia in this game when yamato was talking to him. As you see, two different styles of talking to his scumreads. But check his meta for yourself guys. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
But I see you're putting a lot of effort into this game, so I feel a bit bad for you. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 04:27 FiveTouch wrote: Why does Vivax keep pushing the towniest town guys in the game? Jesus. I'm doing it Toad-style. Quoting this for post-game. Or post-lynch. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 04:29 gonzaw wrote: I don't think yamato is scum, because he is heavily involved in discussions, was pretty active on D1, yet didn't seem to try and push a scum agenda (for instance get elected as scum mayor, or try to get a scum mayor elected) [quote="Vivax"]two different styles of talking to his scumreads I'm not really seeing this, but I'm not paying that much attention right now. Those 3 quotes of town/scum games don't tell me much at first glance[/QUOTE] DAFUQ? Gonzaw you made this too easy for me. Hf in your qt. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
When Bugs sees that it will go down in history. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
It's cute that you are still trying though. Maybe it works with this town. FT, yamato announced his candidacy to lynch me. It's damning for you that you didn't read the part you're talking about, and that you feel like defending yamato without commenting on the meta. It was a cool day 1 bus though. Just a scummy goon after all, right? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You could post counter-examples. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Would have been a little...telling? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Toad/FT/mocsta I still have my doubts about. But FT just replaced Toad in my book. Mocsta is gonzaw + yamato>FT>Mocsta/Toad/everyone else are my current reads. Just lynch gonzaw and thank me after. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 04:29 gonzaw wrote: I don't think yamato is scum, because he is heavily involved in discussions, was pretty active on D1, yet didn't seem to try and push a scum agenda (for instance get elected as scum mayor, or try to get a scum mayor elected) I'm not really seeing this, but I'm not paying that much attention right now. Those 3 quotes of town/scum games don't tell me much at first glance Look at this post and tell me how the fuck this isn't a scumslip. Find one instance of a situation where a townie could say this. Even if you take away the "as scum", how is being wanting to be elected as mayor a scumtell? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Most, if not the whole scum team reacted to something really dangerous in the last pages. I think I'll go for some Ice fishing in Greenland. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:05 DearestSnot wrote: Who is the player he is talking about, and which game? If it certainly is a lie then we should just kill him for it. Why don't you start with FT and gonzaw saying that yamato didn't post a candidacy for mayor then? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Will it be a bus or another mislynch target? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If it isn't "make me mayor and I do x", what is it then? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You're so easily to influence Bugs, scum just plays their games with you. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:54 FiveTouch wrote: The fact he plays nothing like this as town is a good one. You know, the lack of suspicion/aggression that I mention in the very post you're replying to, if you're able to read. And you see him posting such a defence of a now town JX? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Don't say they do that all the time, it's dogmatic bullshit. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
This game just proves it again. But keep talking smack about me. Who laughs last laughs best. I actually like Oats response when he said he felt forced. It's honest. He didn't try to find a shit reason or become overly emotional, he simply said what's up with him writing that. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If you don't like things I write and aren't directed at you, then simply ignore them. But if you start telling others to ignore them and that I'm full of shit etc. etc. , then you take away pressure from scum and allow them to do the same to me. I'm an aggressive player, aggressive in a way that I bite and don't let go of players, I bombard them with questions that require precise answers. I play with this style to force reads, commitments and quick decisions that can cause scumslips or mis-decisions to happen for scum. This style isn't seen as nice by most people cause it pisses off townies, but damn I'm sure it's effective. It's most effective when people help me creating that pressure, then I move to the next player I see as scummy and start over again. It's useless when people start ignoring me and paint me as stupid troll. Look, I think you are town, we both believe Oats is town, so don't let the lynch go that way cause there are people with good reputation saying so. Trust yourself on this one. Trust me for once, just this time, I only ask for one time, look at gonzaw, look at him long and hard and from the start please. Look at him feeling super confident that he might be scum, and give town your final verdict. When you did that, look at Oats and what he wrote about gonzaw. If you get to the same conclusions I got to, you will see where I come from with my other reads. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote: Back home Regarding Yamato: I had town on yamato before Vivax posted his town/scum comparison, but his post did convince me to take a closer look at his meta. The followup from many players in the game who have actually played with yamato before (I don't believe I have...) saying that he's clearly town by his meta relieves me of that burden. So you didn't take a closer look at his meta, you will just believe what others said about it? If you did, can you give us an own conclusion? On January 24 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote: Regarding Oats: Much the way I felt about prplhz, I feel about Oats. It's not that their situations were necessarily similar. But while I, myself, haven't picked up on any particular scumminess on my own, when I read what certain people say about why he's scum, I find myself agreeing with them. Not so fast, expand on these points. Be precise about why you think he's scum please. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
@ Gonzaw On January 24 2013 05:16 gonzaw wrote: austin, now that you are here. What do you think of the "cases" against me from Oats/Five/wbg/debears? You thought I was pretty townie on D1 and posted a bunch of reasons, do the stuff those guys pointed out change your read or not? I may have skipped it in your filter but you barely mention me I believe Show me the case made by FT against you please. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
He must also be sure that it's the only scum left. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Any more conversations? @ mkfuba Do you have a read on gonzaw? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
At least you can redeem yourself a little for making this game harder for those who are putting effort into it. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote: The reason why I put the 'shy' bullshit, was that I completely forgot why I defended JX. Also, I think that its not very accurate to use a meta read on me because I have only played 4 games, It was accurate and damning for Prp because he has played over 20 IIRC. Vivax, please stop shitting up the thread. Good joke, you brought yourself into that situation cause you don't even remember what you say yourself. At least your read on gonzaw is good. I'm asking questions no one else is. Go call that shitting up the thread when you read things grush, fuba, yamato etc. etc. etc. would probably have never written without my intervention. I just don't have an estimation of BKE yet, but FT feels confident in him being scum without actually asking him a question, that should already ring a bell. Enjoy FT posting "clean" reads he isn't checking with questions to his scumreads.Bah. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I really liked your meta guessing games in past games, so I guess you're going to find interesting reading yamato based on his meta. He's newb as scum. Thanks for putting the effort in though. There's not enough info on BKE to push him reliably. Killing him is like a vig shot. That is coinflippy. Same as Chez until we get information from this mason mess. Let's watch this town mislynch Oats for today I guess. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I've lazily copypasted all things FT has said about gonzaw until the point where I found gonzaws scumslip, so I'm not posting the time there cause it's faster this way, they're in chronological order however: With gonzaw my read has been fluctuating. Apart from the read on him, gonzaw as mafia would fill the missing hole of a serious mafia mayoral candidate on Day 1. His prplhz attitude has been nagging at me in particular. gonzaw/Oatsmaster is where I'm struggling right now. I had been giving gonzaw vague townie points for a couple of reasons: he spread his suspicion around quite a bit, which he tends to more as town, and he's far more tunnelly as mafia. For a prime example of this - Liar Game - where he tunnelled Cephiro over multiple cycles to the detriment of anything else. This is mitigated, as bugs notes, by the fact that he hasn't really pushed *hard* at anyone. The second reason, and the one you can see why I'm struggling, is his suspicions of Oatsmaster, which I share. Anyway, gonzaw. His prplhz stuff looks bad, although to be fair he's not the only one. The problem with gonzaw is that he should really know better. I didn't like the bolded at all, casually suggesting he wouldn't have ran for mayor as mafia. I absolutely believe gonzaw would run for mayor as mafia, so this looks quite bad to me. gonzaw, you haven't been as much a central figure as I expected you to be this game. Is there a reason for this? This is quite simply the worst advice I have ever heard. (regarding me asking for gonzaw lynch)On January 24 2013 20:54 FiveTouch wrote: You've done nothing all game except kinda push gonzaw. You even forgot that you wanted to lynch Stutters, and you never mentioned him again after voting austin because he wanted to kill Stutters, even though Stutters for a long time did the lurking you were calling him scum for. Notice how gonzaw is town in his eyes for sharing the suspicion of Oats, but Oats pushing gonzaw remains scum although FT is supposedly not sure between the two? Just wanted to point out the double standard in his arguments. Might be useful for later and clearly shows FTs preference. His questions to gonzaw have no follow-up. He's just asking them to act. I feel really bad that we have a mafia mayor, but FTs play so far has been quite superb for mafia. He's tooling most town. Anyway, just wanted to get rid of this post. Bugs already said why it's better play to delay the Oats lynch anyway. I'd like Mocsta lynch. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Another reminder Yamato set himself up to bus gonzaw in this last post, don't get fooled by it. They fear that gonzaws alignment will be revealed at some point. On January 24 2013 16:16 yamato77 wrote: This post of Oats, along with other things like his willingness to give out reads, his overall activity level, and his fairly unnecessary (if mafia) case on Gonzaw, makes me believe that he is town. The fact that he's continued to pursue his read on Gonzaw today is quite telling to me. When he posted the case at night, I believed he would have done so with the idea that it was cheap town cred to do something like this at night when there was no lynch on the line. However, today I see that he's fairly invested in the idea that Gonzaw is mafia, something that I feel a lot of people are at the moment. Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town. Plus, I agree with WBG's logic regarding the BGs, and not lynching them at the moment. Unless you are absolutely certain Oats is mafia, I do not feel like it is worth it to lynch him today. That's my thought on that situation. I think he might be town, and I'm not sold on lynching him yet even if others believe otherwise because he, if town, is valuable protection for our elected roles. On to my updated mafia reads: If I take seriously the idea that Oats is town, I have to consider the possibility that Debears is not. Debears' only contribution is a case on Oats, which is quite weak. Mafia debears would want Oats lynched, because that would mean that mafia gets to shoot into both Toad and FT tonight, or at any point in the future. While this would instantly out his as confirmed mafia, I'm not sure how confident I am with the idea that mafia wouldn't trade one of their own for our two elected roles, especially the mayor. Plus, people would be content to sit on the idea of town debears until the mayor/sheriff gets shot, which is quite useful. It's basically lynch immunity. This post, and many like it, show that debears is fairly preoccupied with the idea of Bodyguards and their potential protection powers. When I was mafia, and I was attempting to bluesnipe, one of the quickest tells you can pick up on is who seems preoccupied with blues in general, or a specific role such as doctor. Debears may have already has the idea in his head on Day 1 to make this sort of play as mafia, to sub himself in as a BG and use this "unlynchable" status to his advantage. Aside from this, debears has been fairly inactive, and hasn't pursued his scum reads very strongly. He posted a case on Gonzaw (that had him as slight scum, rofl), and then backed off of it later. He has a "case" on Oats, but he earlier posted this: So we know he doesn't want to lynch Oats. Who does he want to lynch? Annul. Why? He gives zero reason. He just calls him "scummy". I don't like this sort of thing at all. The speed at which he voted for annul also to me indicates that this is a mafia vote, because he did it early in the day and with zero prior mention of annul. These four posts are the only ones he even mentions annul in at all, and they've all been in day 2. Very weird to me. In that last post he also says he'd be willing to lynch BKE, but he's never mentioned him before either, and indeed doesn't even bother to provide a reason. So what about prphlz? He supported that lynch day 1, right? That's his only mention about his own read on prplhz. All of this I believe is indicative of a blendy mafia mindset, something I find pervasive throughout his filter. Not many of his reads seem original to him at all. His low activity suggests not wanting to be in the spotlight. I don't believe he's actively playing the game in a way I think town debears would, because town debears is characteristically more convinced of his own reads, a la Hero Mini where he was hyper aggressive day 1 in pursuing his target. Now, for the same reason WBG gave for not lynching Oats, I don't think we should lynch Debears either. But if I had to pick a mafia out of the two BG's, I would actually pick debears. Oats is greener to me. So, who else do I think is mafia, and which of them do I want to lynch today? Vivax could still be mafia. While a lot of the vets have previously had him as town, even they are less certain of this idea than they were before. However, if he is mafia I don't think he's going to get any better and we will have more information to lynch him with at a later date. Unless he continues to be completely anti-town for the rest of today, I don't think he's a particularly good lynch, and I don't think many other people do either. Annul might be mafia, as he's played similar to Vivax today, but I actually feel less confident about lynching him because of how easy it is for everyone to call him town. There's literally been zero resistance to lynching him today aside from other people giving out their own mafia reads and trying to get them lynched. I don't think a single person has called him even somewhat town, though I may be wrong because I've only skimmed the last ten pages. I don't like lynching him today. Gonzaw is an interesting idea. He has a few of these types of posts in his filter, where he softdefends a player (often Vivax actually) and generally gives weak reads. I don't feel like he's taken many strong stances with his reads this game. Even his opposition of the prplhz lynch was fairly weak. Also, he has a few of these posts in his filter, where he seems particularly preoccupied with his own image, and how town perceives the things he's doing. As I just finished typing in my analysis of another mafia player in NMM XXXIII. preoccupation with town's perception is a mafia tell, as they are more likely to care about how they are perceived than town. He even goes so far as to defend his spammy nature, something that I, as town, feel completely unmotivated to justify. While this is indicative of how I feel on the matter, that I just post what I think at the time I think it, I do not feel the need to justify this mindset. However, Gonzaw obviously does, which again leads me to believe that he is concerned with his image. This idea is also reinforced with the concept that running for mayor and being active on D1 are two easy ways to get people to have cheap town reads on you. While this is not a strong mafia tell, it is what I have managed to find in his filter after a short bit of diving. I am fairly confident in the possibility of him being mafia for these reasons, along with those that the rest of town has posted. I will resume my filter dive of him tomorrow, and either confirm my own bias or perhaps see something that might change my mind. If you're even remotely good at this game you should notice that yamato is scum by reading his play and his meta. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town. This is a retarded, no, a scummy statement to make for someone who has no knowledge of alignments. Especially considering that he goes on to write about debears, who expressed his suspicion of gonzaw quite early in the day. Why doesn't yamato go on to extend this argument to anyone who is suspecting gonzaw and instead just mentions it for the guy who is going the get lynched? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Scum isn't stupid, they didn't infer on the exact reasons why I think gonzaw is scum, people like yamato have been setting themselves up to bus him, so everything points towards scum knowing that I know about gonzaw and why I do. I didn't want to claim (thanks Ace for your guide) cause it causes WIFOM shitstorms, but town is heading towards probable mislynches and people think I'm an idiot for what I'm doing. They aren't able to see that gonzaw is scum no matter how hard I push them to look (this is especially for you Bugs). So I'm sending this nice fuck you-message to our scum mayor before he slips away with some made up shit. I don't think I would survive the night or not get roleblocked even if I didn't claim, so eat this and get lynched bitches: Gonzaws' role makes it likely that he has not been framed, luckily. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uBX90o8.jpg) | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
We don't need a scum mayor with three votes. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
The reason is simple: Oats, BKE, Chezinu are easier to lynch and most likely aren't on his team. His last question he wants answered is pointless anyway, it doesn't change anything. I'll give that to you postgame. Just do me a fucking favour and get rid of FT, that guy is dangerous like 1000 snakes for this town. Given his experience and skill as scum he probably has a powerful role too. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I don't give a fuck if you lynch me to confirm I'm DT. I wouldn't actually mind that cause then you can proceed to lynch the right ones and I'm out of this derp town. Obviously I would prefer if you lynched FT, yamato, Toad and probably Mocsta/Toad > austin/Chez/Bke etc. Gonzaw can stay where he is for now, he's not going anywhere, posting anything, probably tried to manipulate the mason circles and can be lynched later. Now we need to lynch the dangerous guys, namely FT. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Don't believe FT is town just cause of the D1 lynch. People elected him to kill prplhz, so that's what he would do, along with getting massive cred. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I asked the host about that and a few bunch other things but he's been ignoring all my questions this game. Given how scum is riding on that point it was rather yesterday night I guess. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You don't know what my PM looked like. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You didn't reveal who you masoned. FT didn't reveal who he masoned. Gonzaw was a mason. Toad lied about the DT cause he would know that the DT would know about the role. And what you're asking for is in the picture. Mafia jack mason. Without saying whether it was the previous cycle or this one. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Yamato, gonzaw and FT are scum as a given. Toad, Mocsta and Austin I'm unsure on. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Too much dumb in this town. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Get owned and get lynched later. What does the reply to a DT check look like? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I don't have confirmation on that, it's a theory I have cause he is the jack. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 01:39 Toadesstern wrote: see the thing is I know a bunch of powerroles, including a DT. I'm just having troubles to believe that right now. Then you better start explaining this. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
We aren't wasting this cycle to have another cycle where we start over. The scum is before us, it has been spamming me over with suspicion the last few pages. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 01:49 Vivax wrote: Thanks for making it obvious by the way, either you have been masoned by gonzaw or you are in team with him knowing when he was mason. You don't know what my PM looked like. This concerns all the people attacking me and having doubts on me knowing if gonzaw was mason. FT and yamato. They can only know and doubt about the accuracy of my assumptions if they know how and when gonzaw was able to use his roles. It reveals their alignment cause it reveals their extra knowledge. The type of question reveals them as scum. In the case they were town they would not have been able to get doubts about that. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
We should immediately discuss tomorrows' double lynches. The people who have been masoned by gonzaw have to speak up as well. I propose FT and yamato obviously. Yamato is 100 % scum just cause of what I have already shown about him. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You didn't ask "your" DT about his N1 check but doubted the syntax of my PM and what data I get back. You dare to bombard me with suspicion but the guy you mason didn't tell you anything except his role and you immediately believed it without knowing what feedback he got? Do you even realize how fucking ridiculous it is what you're claiming? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 02:27 FiveTouch wrote: Why are you striving to make this game less enjoyable to play for every single other player in the game, whether town or mafia? Single-handedly you are ruining town atmosphere and it's horrible to watch. Please stop it. Given your behaviour this game you don't have the right to say that. But it's rather excusable cause you are mafia. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Apparently he isn't hidden to mafia, so why should he remain hidden to town? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
FT has to be marv by the way, the annoying, provocative questions when he is scum make it kinda obvious. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 15:13 Toadesstern wrote: btw my take on oats right now: So I really don't see a reason to risk lynching oats today. Yes he's really scummy but more importantly he's a problem that will solve itself sooner or later. Either mafia shoots him because they want to get Palmar / me OR they shoot Palmar / me in which case oats isn't "probably mafia" but confirmed mafia OR they don't shoot Palmar / me which is perfectly fine with me to be honest. So I'd say we lynch someone else. For me that either means lynching into one of Annul / Gonzaw / Chez or lynching BKE. I myself would like BKE the most right now but I'm not done catching up. Mostly because I haven't figured out the Annul / Gonzaw / Chez triangle and while a 1/3 chance to hit mafia is still decent I think we'll get a better read on that one soon enough as well. On January 24 2013 15:39 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I'd say gonzaw would be the worst lynch out of those but he's a possibility. It's entirely based ond process of elimination. I'd like to call Toad bad for saying this but sadly he's just scum. "Oh, just cause of elimination of course" | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You will probably derp and say you are the DT. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 23:23 Toadesstern wrote: oh just realized this kind of looks like me implying I've got a DT check or something like that. That's not the case :p | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 11:21 FiveTouch wrote: I'm going to vote for myself on the basis that I want to lynch mafia while most of the rest of the game wants to waffle around listlessly. ##Vote: FiveTouch + Show Spoiler + | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
At their time debears would have been one of them. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:00 Toadesstern wrote: not going to claim who it is. I'm going to ignore it. Make of it whatever you think. You claimed a lie because you claimed what you "assumed" your check meant instead of just claiming your check although we kept on asking to just spit it out. My very first post was everything you needed. I wrote everything you wanted to know in the picture. If you're too stupid or disruptive to get that everything you wanted was there from the beginning, then don't blame it on me. If anything you have been fooled by the OPs description, you trying to paint me bad based on other people's mistakes and your own is...self-explanatory. I made a mistake in thinking that gonzaw had two roles. I rather thought he was mason for a cycle. But that mistake is productive. It revealed that people immediately asking questions about that knew what was up and poked it. Mainly cause they hoped I would do some mistake to get me lynched or was fakeclaiming. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 01:39 yamato77 wrote: Vivax if you're town you're a moron for what you're doing with this red check. But, no matter your alignment, town's best play is to lynch Gonzaw here, so let's see some votes. It's also telling that yamato posts this after he just finished to post something against gonzaw when the lynch wasn't going anywhere before the claim. "What are you saying Vivax, I am not setting myself up for a bus, I had gonzaw as target for a long time" "What are you doing Vivax, town was heading to an Oats lynch and you get gonzaw lynched with a claim?" Seriously, yamato is so bad as scum, I would lynch him with a spoon. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I want to see you rage all over the thread. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 01:52 Toadesstern wrote: no, jacks don't show up as what kind of power they used. They show up as "jack", not as "jack vig" or "jack mason". If he got a "jack mason" he found someone with 2 roles. How did you know this? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
1. You know what powers gonzaw might have used. 2. You know gonzaw has two roles. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You are always here to ask questions but never to post something on your own. You are still convinced yamato, FT and austin are town? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 04:07 DearestSnot wrote: rofl watching vivax froth at the mouth is hilarious I actually laughed about this. I like the jokey Bugs. To be honest I was desperately trying to find slips in the interactions after the claim. I found it a bit weird that Toad first asked me this: On January 25 2013 01:48 Toadesstern wrote: mafias can have multiple roles. So it could be a jack + mason mafia if he's telling the truth. I'm just doubting that you get roles when checking people oO On January 25 2013 01:49 Toadesstern wrote: oh actually screw that it says so in the op On January 25 2013 01:50 Toadesstern wrote: so you get back roles only, which means you found a jack + mason and not a jack is that correct? because the first one would be a confirmed mafia besides not knowing his alignment. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
@ stutters Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing. Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so. Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
But he said he found it consistent with my filter and then asked why I checked gonzaw. Which is a weird question to be fair. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I think you having doubts about this stuff makes you look a little better. I don't think scum would doubt that gonzaw is scum at this point. What you still utterly fail at is being incredibly gullible in case you're town and letting marv and Toad get away with withholding their information regarding other masons and alleged blue powerroles, but you feel the need to quote annul and his legitimate question without actually pursuing the information that is not being disclosed and that makes you look rather worse. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Most of town agreed with a prplhz lynch, if you killed Oats he would have probably flipped green/blue, you would have looked a lot worse and you would have had to kill prplhz anyway at some point, probably the next day. There would have been questions about why you didn't kill him day1 and would have been forced to bus him soon anyway, making you suspicious for the rest of the game. So you simply bussed him day 1 and took massive cred you were trying to use to lead town into an Oats mislynch this day. I don't see that prplhz lynch D1 as a towntell for you. It's simply the best scum play you could make in that situation. Everyone supporting you would have to take the same cred for prplhz's lynch anyway. If even Bugs read prplhz as scum, then... *cough*, nevermind. (sorry Bugs ) That bus got you a super powerful role and a lot of cred to get rid of an useless goon pawn who was behaving scummy from his very first post. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I think I'll start writing random stories. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
A strong acid is an acid that dissociates completely. That means that the reaction is irreversible and the acid decades completely into the ions of which it consists. HCL → H⁺ + Cl⁻ according to Arrhenius. HCL + H20 → H3O⁺ + Cl⁻ according to Brønsted & Lowry Considering the calculation of the constant of equilibrium Kc = [A] * [B] / [AB], with the respective variables being the concentrations of reagents and products expressed in molarity, same can be applied to the strong acid. Ka = [H3O⁺] * [Cl] / [HCl] * [H2O] Given that water is assumed to be present in abundance, its concentration can be considered constant. Ka = [H3O⁺] * [Cl] / [HCl] Since it dissociates completely, [HCl] becomes 0 over time, and the concentrations of [Cl] and [H3O] both correspond to the concentration of the dissociated [HCl]. The concentration of HCl corresponds to the concentration of protonated hydrogen ions in solution. I think we should lynch yamato tomorrow. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Frankly, I don't think he's mafia. But sometimes a townie needs his ass on the line to start playing like you want to. Marv renounced on pursuing him for a lie that has popped up earlier in the thread, until he reveals more we'll remain quite in the dark. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Pay attention to how Toad speaks to people directly. I'm not quoting this here (yet), but you're free to check that in the filter. Look especially at how he talked to me and Oats, As opposed to Toad and Mocsta. On January 21 2013 13:48 gonzaw wrote: I don't really agree with a prplhz lynch this D1 though. It seems like his normal play, and I don't think there's much to go on to be sure he's scum this game. He's not the paragon of townieness but I don't remember him being so in any town game from his (granted I only obsed games he played, I don't remember playing with him I think). There are better candidates out there. To be honest I wouldn't mind lynching Clarity either, dude has been passive as fuck every post of his, and just straight up disappeared. I take it he wouldn't just completely go AFK as scum after posting "I'll promise you reads", and he has to vote so he has to come back and post something. I suggest we pay attention to when he does. I am still running for mayor. I take it being sheriff wouldn't be bad, I'd still get protection so I can fuck with scum for more time and I trust myself with a JK; but I prefer to trust my judgement this D1 and lynch who I think is likelier to be scum. If I can't be mayor...hmm, I'll have to think about it. I think I'd prefer Toad, because I don't see him playing like TLI (was it?) at all and seems the most likely one to be town. Plus he's making sense and active and that shit. Fivetouch is making sense, but I'm not sure I trust him to be town yet. On January 22 2013 05:11 gonzaw wrote: It's obvious I won't be mayor now (it's like 5 hours until deadline right?), so I'm okay with the sheriff position. austin seems likely town as well, and posts his thought process and explanations, and he'd be a good player to have protection from BGs as well, wouldn't mind him being sheriff either. Wouldn't mind Toad being sheriff either, but yeah those successive votes on him seem weird. *snip* I'd be happy with Five being mayor if he lynched Oats (likely what I'd do if I was mayor), and of course spends the rest of the game leading town, posting his thought process, being open/transparent, etc. I'll have to check again some of the stuff said about Stutters, but he can easily be scum as well. Dunno if I'd lynch him before Oats though, but if both are scum it doesn't really matter, but I'm leaning on lynching Oats this D1. I'll respond to questions I've skimmed later. The successive votes on Toad seem weird (why?). Yet he votes him over austin afterwards. On January 22 2013 07:13 gonzaw wrote: I'll see if I get some votes first. I prefer you over austin though, so if it comes down to it I'll change my vote to you. Skimmed JieXian's filter but didn't find anything. He participates in discussions and the like, don't really see him as scum now. I don't know wtf Vivax is on, try to keep a cool head dude, and analyze behaviours and contributions, not petty shit like someone saying you were in the US and then saying you weren't; and stop overreacting if you are town. He never changed vote though. But he has posted reasons. On January 22 2013 09:57 gonzaw wrote: Hmm. Okay, does someone feel like me or austin should be sheriff? The voting is pretty close and there is little time left. If someone is willing to vote me for sheriff I'll keep my vote, if not I'll vote Toad just in case (or maybe just leave it like it is since he's in the lead) On January 22 2013 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Day 1 Votecount FiveTouch - 7 DearestSnot FiveTouch debears JieXian mkfuba07 yamato77 prplhz austinmcc - 3 Oatsmaster austinmcc sandroba Chezinu - 2 Chezinu grush57 Toadesstern - 4 Toadesstern Vivax Stutters695 djodref gonzaw - 3 Gonzaw mocsta axlegreaser annul - 1 annul Make your own conclusions about this. If you think they are good post them. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:47 gonzaw wrote: How am I using meta? Well, rather than meta I'm using reputation and experience. It doesn't feel like something a scum Vivax would do, mostly because his name is "Vivax" and not "Palmar" or "wherebugsgo", or even "Risen" or "kush", etc (you get what I mean). So Mocsta, you think these "heuristics" used to see if Vivax is town are useless? How do you plan on reading Vivax? If you "read" him as scum (like yamato does) because of Vivax doing some "bad" plays or something, how do you know he can't do the same as town? Are you opposing this just so Vivax doesn't get the sheriff role, or just because people seem to think Vivax is town and you don't want them to (that easily)? I like to use that kind of heuristics with those types of players, because they are usually right. Of course if you put a wbg or Radfield in front of me they are kind of meaningless (as I painfully learned in the past )I would think Mocsta is town just cause of the way gonzaw talked to him in the bolded part. But this is still quite speculative. The way gonzaw and Toad talk to each other has to be looked at however. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 08:32 austinmcc wrote: Why didn't gonzaw, as a mason, mason people? How would you know, as a townie, that gonzaw didn't mason people? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 08:37 Vivax wrote: How would you know, as a townie, that gonzaw didn't mason people? Why would you assume from someone who should be most likely scum from your perspective that he didn't mason anyone just cause he didn't say it? Or the people masoned didn't? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 08:40 mkfuba07 wrote: Pretty sure he said he didn't mason anyone. If he masoned anyone, they would know he is mason, and still haven't said anything. This means he masoned two scum, and proceeded to lie about it. This question is ridiculous. Imagine if Chezinu has been masoned by him. You think someone like Chezinu would surely have told you by now? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If that's true then it's strange for him to waste the role like that. Let's just see what happens I guess. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
It surprises me how axle, austin and gonzaw manage to communicate so little while posting so much. Guess it's a preference. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
At least I won't have the burden of being super tryhard in this town when the scum clearly has better and more active players. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 09:05 Stutters695 wrote: Eh, there are quite a few situations where RBing you still wouldn't be the best play from a town perspective. Also "At least I won't have the burden of being super tryhard in this town when the scum clearly has better and more active players;" no, don't do that In this case I would think it's the best play. Toad said there is another DT, since that DT is unknown and his check is supposed to "go off", he can just jail me and there will still be one DT working right? For now I'm the only 100% confirmed town (after the gonzaw flip) But yeah, I apologize for the bitterness. This day was really tiring for me cause no one except the guy who was willing to get lynched got a read on gonzaw right, and I banged my head like a madman against this concrete wall of a town to let them see that gonzaw is scum without claiming. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
A bus, right. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Why don't you go analyze his slip regarding yamato and yamatos slips instead? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Townies did what they had to do, they voted gonzaw without trying hard to make reasons of their own up of why he's scum. This way, when someone checks your filter and skims it ignoring the context, they will think you posted a good point about gonzaw (cause it is) and it makes you look less suspicious. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote: I didnt say you were likely bussing anyone. I said I havent ruled it out, thus you are not confirmed town to me.... its pretty clear As for the slips; I dont base too much on those, its usually town who falsely slip due to not proof checking; whereas mafia are much more inclined to proof-read and re-read. So I was looking at behaviour;and he was the one who threw out being framed, and he was the one who threw out a vig hit..very curious, and considering he never followed it up or set any questions to follow up with it; I can only interpret it as non-town motivated information designed as WIFOM. This is bullshit. This happens purely based on player skill. Town can slip, mafia can slip. Every slip has to be treated individually, that's why I'm not after annul any more for his earlier one, which was rather him looking nervous after a mistake. As for the slip, it has nothing to do with proof-checking. It has to do with gonzaw calling yamato a mafia mayor when he's arguing why he thinks yamato is town And yamatos hostile behaviour towards the claim when he announced that he thought gonzaw is scum in the post just before. And yamatos clearly different meta. But that's not the slip. It's all in my filter. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I thought gonzaw was a "Jack Mason" in the meaning that his currently selected power is mason. That's why I started speculating about him being vig yesterday and mason today. I wouldn't have said these things if I was scum, cause I would have known how things work. If you think I "built them in" in the hope that someone would see this as a townslip, then you overestimate both me and this town. That's why you have to look at the people who seemed to know how things worked on the mafia side. You will most likely find them in the moments after my claim. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Sandro himself said it's likely that town targets Bugs as well if they target him. Go value his opinion if you don't value mine. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
+1 for style. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Just...who is it? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 18:05 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I'll put this out here for possible vigs and medics I'll flip a coin tonight. If it's heads I'll jail BKE. If it's tails I'll jail Vivax. Just don't want vigs to shoot BKE when I'm jailing him and I don't want medics to waste protection on Vivax when there's about 0 chance he's getting shot because mafia will just RB him, assuming they have an RB like in 99% of every game on TL that isn't a pure vanilla game. One interesting thing to remember for possible medics: I can medic a person only ONCE per game, so if you're not sure what to do just protect WBG. I'd still say he's likely to be shot and there's exactly 0% chance for me to change my mind and protect him tonight. What the hell is this retarded post? You announce you're going to offensively jail a scum and you think they will let him make the kill? You're just setting yourself up to let me get shot. It's sad I'm the first to post this. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 19:37 Toadesstern wrote: I roleblock townies while protection so IF someone is going to waste protection on vivax let it at least be me in case I get tails that is. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 20:56 Toadesstern wrote: read the OP before telling me I'm doing something bad. You can't block shots that are delived by mafia. Jailing a mafia reduces their number. Right now there are 3 mafais. If I jail BKE they lose 1 KP for this night. Sounds better than protection a townie and blocking him to me, doesn't it? Don't worry Toad, I read the OP. I just wanted to hear the argumentation for you to jail BKE precisely cause I wanted to know if you know that mafia don't have to pick someone to make the kill. I'd have wanted it confirmed by a host afterwards in case you said that. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If we have a medic, good, if we don't, good. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 21:35 Toadesstern wrote: can do, if the medic promises me to protect someone else than you. Your actions tonight will be decisive for your later survival. You know what I said and you said in an earlier post that you wouldn't protect me anyway. If in the end, you decide to roleblock my check and scum hits two other targets besides me, and we still don't know if BKE is scum or town, it's going to be your own fucking big problem, so I suggest you, as scum (or unlikely town), to play the best possible way, cause it's also going to favour my survival. Thanks bro. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If we don't have a medic: tough luck. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 22:05 Toadesstern wrote: i can't believe how bad you're at this game. You still haven't realized it, right? It's possible, given I have much less experience than you. You should leave this talk for post game anyway, but I'll respond regardless. For now nothing is certain except that I both supported a prplhz lynch (although I had some doubts) and got a right check off N1 when almost no one was suspecting gonzaw, so your argument doesn't even stand based on what we have seen. Guessing 2/5 first and consecutively in such a big game is not easy. I had good reads so far, and what you say is not changing anything about that. It's always convenient to use insults and ad-hominem to have a reason to not respond properly. Yamato is a prime example of that. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
- Town has a medic - Toad wants to coinflip between me and BKE although he clearly wouldn't give a fuck if I die. - FT and Toad think BKE is scum. → By not stating clearly that he is going to 100 % jail BKE, Toad is creating problems for an eventual medic who has to pick someone to protect. He says he considers me as option for a jail, but tells the medics they should only protect Bugs. That is a contradiction in mindset. He should disregard me completely as a jail target in that case and rather be coinflipping between BKE and Bugs, right? → By not stating clearly that he's 100 % jailing BKE, Toad shows that he doesn't think his unblockable DT check is the best play in any case. Force him to jail BKE or you won't know if he's scum tomorrow. → FT just posted reasons for BKE to be scum without saying if we should jail him and thus check him or lynch him tomorrow. He ignored my question so far. → We still don't know about the interactions of FT with masons, nor about Toad's. No one is pressing for disclosure. You can only press for disclosure by threatening the ones who know with a lynch. → Toad protected Bugs letting Sandro die, I still don't know why he did that. He just got upset when I told him that without expanding on his reasons saying "You say I'm bad while I'm trying to save lives". I just don't see town Toad risking the "best town player" (by his own words) to get killed. Scum hit all right targets N1. Decide for yourself if that's a coincidence and just luck or if they knew what was up. Ockham's razor tells a story. → Toad said he knows a DT cause he claimed openly in the thread. Demand explanations tomorrow. Watch out for fake claims. → There is a lie Chezinu apparently made and FT suggested to lynch him for that earlier. Now that matter has gone underground and remained completely unnoticed. We don't know what happened there. FT kept on aiming for an Oats lynch afterwards. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax, I dont think you get the point. The point of this game is to lynch scum, so jailing him will confirm/deny that he is scum. Then we lynch him 100% if it turns out that he is scum. That's exactly what I'm saying. A BKE jail HAS to happen. But only annul so far has shown what needs to be done to make sure THAT it happens. Toad will do what the fuck he wants if you don't make it crystal clear that he has to jail BKE tonight or you will lynch him (Toad). | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Then what do you mean by this? Sounds like when you red-checked Gonzaw and wanted to lynch 5touch. Read the "if". "When" in the meaning of : Why lynch BKE instead of jailing him? Not "when" in the meaning of: Why lynch BKE after jailing him? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 15 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Sheriff You won second place in the election. You cannot be role checked by a Detective. Up to three times in the course of the game, you are able to PM me during the night to incarcerate a player. You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night. Incarcerated players cannot use any powers the night they are incarcerated. If a mafia is incarcerated, they do not contribute to the determination of Mafia KP (Kill Power), so Mafia KP may be lowered. An incarcerated player cannot be killed or targeted by any actions the night they are incarcerated. Likewise, if a Bodyguard is jailed (incarcerated), he or she does not protect elected roles for that night. You may not incarcerate yourself. The same player cannot be incarcerated twice. Sigh Adam. Toad himself said it. Did you really read at least a little bit? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Just putting this out here, there are good chances that mafia doesn't have a roleblocker. More likely that there is a framer. Framer Jack Godfather Goon and two masons. These are the roles mafia got I believe. Decide for yourself if you want to use the protection betting on my check not getting blocked and that I'm a mafia target. Or listen to Toad and watch the results. Your call. It's important that you claim if the shot has been blocked, or people might think it was the BKE jail that only caused one kill to be there. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You suspect BKE? You jail BKE. That's also valid for you FT, why are you suddenly asking to consider other targets when you've just written a case against BKE without even saying if you want him lynched or jailed? Pointless posts, Toad. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Toad already had announced what he was going to do with his jail. Since it included roleblocking me and leaving the chance of a scum BKE afterwards, I had to try and dissuade him from that bad play. I didn't tell mafia anything, Toad did that on his own initiative. I just pushed for the optimal option. @ Bugs There are a ton of players who don't answer questions about them masoning or being masoned. Why do you pick Chezinu out of all of them? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote: As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? *raises hand* | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 01:42 yamato77 wrote: I'm going to regret asking this question, but why? 1. If Toad is town he would jail him tonight, so there's not even a point in discussing this now. We can't be totally sure of the outcome cause there might be a protection somewhere. But if there's a medic protecting and he claims then we will know that the extra KP is missing cause of that and not cause BKE is scum. I doubt scum would sacrifice a KP to push a BKE mislynch for the next day. Toad could also act not according to what he said so far and jail me, Bugs or anyone else for example. That leaves the danger open that he will still push for a BKE lynch tomorrow. 2. Other than that, you can't have a good read on people with low activity like BKE. Pushing for a lynch on him is comfortable, you don't need to tell many reasons. Sadly, I can't check Toad and FT who are pushing for his lynch. @ Bugs Why are you ok with the mason information being withheld? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 01:51 FiveTouch wrote: One of my masons provided me with an interesting thought. Both my masons, who I'm reasonably confident are town (and even more confident that one must be town) were masoned with Chezinu Day 1. Given no-one knew they were masoned with Chezinu before I found out Day 2, why did mafia not take the opportunity to eliminate them, or at least one of them? If one of the masons is mafia and the other isn't, the guy who dies is a town-mason and that leaves the question open why the other one is still alive. Easy. Do you know if the masons knew each others' identities anyway? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 01:57 debears wrote: Vivax you really need to NEVER TALK ABOUT NIGHT ACTIONS AGAIN EVER EVER EVER I'm checking yamato tonight. Problem? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote: You're an idiot, Vivax. If your check comes back anything but green I'm getting you lynched. Why don't you consider the option of being framed though? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
People shouting you have been framed People shouting I'm lying People shouting you're the godfather People shouting we lynch you first A really productive mayhem it would be | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Keep up your good play. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
We don't know the connections there at all. When the information gets revealed it's going to be like the most complicated shit ever. Until we get there it's pointless to speculate. Don't listen to Toad. That mafia/moron doesn't even reason why scum should have a roleblocker when there was no other roleblock N1 besides his one. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
The last thing you said before the claim regarding gonzaw: On January 24 2013 15:39 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I'd say gonzaw would be the worst lynch out of those but he's a possibility. It's entirely based ond process of elimination. And when the claim came. You did the same thing as yamato, you attacked it as hard as you could without even reading the OP before to check if I got the right check back. Doesn't look to me like the revelation of mafia gonzaw didn't surprise you. Look at Oats' reaction as counter example. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
N1 → Only roleblocked guy was Bugs, and he was jailed. Conclusions? Mafia withheld their roleblock or mafia doesn't have a roleblocker? Why do you believe in option 1? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Sandro killed AND roleblocked? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Gonzaw was a likely Nightkill for you before the day. After the night, people expressed the suspicion of him. So you did, too. Oats looked suddenly much more townie to you. Yet, you concluded with an Oats vote just before I claimed. On January 24 2013 23:03 Toadesstern wrote: Okay I can get behind a oatsmaster lynch if you're that certain Palmar / whoever you are. I've got to say I'm pretty damn certain Chez isn't town though... as long as people shoot him / BKE (priority on Chez) as vigs, if we have some we should be fine. We need to get somewhere and I'm trusting you on this one... I really think Chez would be the better lynch for today though. ##vote Oats And no mentioning of gonzaw in this one? Anyway, I'll show your attitude towards gonzaw in my next post. Gotta go to training so I don't know if I'll make it in time. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Search for gonzaw's name in Toad's D1 filter and look at Toad's opinions on gonzaw. It's easy, quick to do and informative. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro. I'm not going to tell you my target. I CLEARLY said people need to protect Sand / Gonzaw because I REFUSED to tell people who I'm going to protect and anything bugs says about my protection is a null, if anything it makes me more likely to not do it. You tell medics to protect randomly into these 3 people. What do you think a medic is going to do upon reading this? I don't know either. Then you aim for Bugs. Chance for you not protecting the best townie AND not roleblocking the mafia jack? 2/3 * 1/2 * 100 = 33 % Chance for you not doing that AND scum hitting the right guy among sandro and Bugs: 1/3 * 1/2 = 1/6 = roughly 16 % In truth it should be even smaller. You said yourself that Djo and JX were retarded NK targets. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
.Brb laters. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 04:09 DearestSnot wrote: anyone wanna see my best Vivax impression? I do. I just hope it's funny. On January 26 2013 06:08 austinmcc wrote: Just for fun, the stupid, more WIFOM-y response: I didn't move my vote until decently late, and didn't start pushing the framing idea until decently late in the cycle. If I really wanted to save someone who was a scumbuddy, I should have been pushing earlier and harder, instead of late in the cycle when it seemed like a lost cause. And while talking about the frame, I noted that a player can only be framed once. What I wanted to do was lynch Oats and DT check Gonzaw again N2. Yes, this wastes a/multiple town DT checks, which is beneficial to scum, but it ALSO ensures that Gonzaw gets caught if we actually took that path. If I'm actually trying to SAVE a scumbuddy, then I recommended a strange course of action. Perhaps a short-term win in terms of using up DT checks (if people followed my plan), but it wouldn't save Gonzaw and I'd be making myself pretty visible when I could have just kept my vote on gonzaw. Did you just claim DT? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Sorry for the nuisance Toad. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote: Also for the record I have it on good authority that there are a lot of masons, scum and town. Yamato, explain this. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
That'll make yamato cranky, let's have a coldie together. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote: But before I do that, I'm going to do a little digging. It occurs to me that I have only ever played with mafia Vivax, so I am going to look at a town game or two of his and see if I can draw any meaningful comparisons. This is not true, he played with me in YAMNM and we were both town. On January 22 2013 13:22 yamato77 wrote: Mocsta I don't think grush is scum, and I don't think accusing him is going to make it more evident even if he is. I would spend your time looking at other players. Funny, coming from me, but Grush plays like this often. Only time will tell with him. Odd defence of grush. Instead of saying he doesn't know shit about him yet, he says he's town. Before he reveals it, he says grush is likely town. When he reveals that grush masoned him, he says grush is likely mafia cause he masoned him without saying much. Yet he didn't suspect gonzaw of being mafia when grush said that he wanted gonzaw or chezinu as mayor. Since yamato didn't post the PM time, we don't know if grush sent him the mail before or after yamato thought he was town/scum. GRUSH GET IN HERE AND TELL US IF IT WAS BEFORE OR AFTER On January 22 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote: But before I do that, I'm going to do a little digging. It occurs to me that I have only ever played with mafia Vivax, so I am going to look at a town game or two of his and see if I can draw any meaningful comparisons. This is not true, he played with me in YAMNM and we were both town. On January 22 2013 16:20 yamato77 wrote: Yeah Vivax being mafia doesn't really make any sense unless I think Toad is mafia, so for now I'll take my tinfoil hat off and just agree with you vets because your reads so far are pretty good. Notice how he argues with the self-consistency argument. Could just say: If Toad isn't mafia, I think Vivax likely isn't. He argues with a justification of his thoughts. Are you trying to associate me with FT? That's fine, I don't care, he's town, I'm town, and we're fucking happy about it. Are you trying to associate me with Gonzaw like you did with Toad? Really productive there. ...Curious post. Kinda pushes me to think FT is town. When I ask him why he doesn't say that gonzaw is town but FT is: Because I haven't had the time to filter Gonzaw yet. In a later post: Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town. One of his usual clumsy things one shouldn't write as mafia. That's the post he started writing when getting ready to bus gonzaw. EBWOP: Annul might be mafia... but I feel less confident about lynching him today because of how easy it is for everyone to call him mafia not town, lol Scumslip, but you are no friends of this type of arguments. I'll find it funny once yamato flips though. After my claim, in chronological order: How did you get a check of his role today from a night 1 check? Holy shit you're lying. As town we're all suspicious of you and this claim because you gave a combination of roles that was impossible for you to know. Sadly you could still be town because he could have been mason day 1, and you're just being an idiot and assuming he shot N1. The fact is, he got back a check from N1 about something he's saying Gonzaw is doing D2. How the fuck does that work? The way mason works this game is that you choose a person to mason with for a whole cycle, not day or night, but both. If he shot someone last night as you claim, he would have shown up as mafia jack vig, not mason. The mason would have had to begin today, and you wouldn't get that check back. Draw your own conclusions. And remember gonzaws post: "I think yamato is town cause he didn't try to get himself elected as mafia mayor and he didn't try to elect mafia mayors." | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 08:12 debears wrote: yo how do i quote pms? Check the OP but I think the restrictions only apply to role PMs | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way. His activity in the town-game never dropped off in the middle of the game for a sustained period like it has here. Come on, concrete wall, break!Break! | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
So, yamato knew that Toad (unsure, I think) and grush were masons when he wrote this: On January 22 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote: Also for the record I have it on good authority that there are a lot of masons, scum and town | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Why didn't you try to expand on that clash of opinions? You and yamato said opposite things about Axle. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Yamato did indeed contradict himself in that post (For stuttershttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=134#2664): He isn't overly involved in the conversation town is having, he comes in with his own take on something and basically ignores everything else. I don't see much reason to have a mafia read on him at this point in the game. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I'm not sure if town Axle would be involved in the game enough to vote for a mayor in a manner which is indicative about his alignment. His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Think about the gonzaw lynch, and think about another lynch like that happening cause I make awesome checks. Forget Bugs. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If they waste a protection on me, then it's only Toad's and Bugs fault. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
It has absolutely no effect on scum when you do that. Just like N1 where you asked for gonzaw and Bugs to be protected. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If not, the direction is clear. We're lynching BKE. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: Okay we need to know wether my jail on BKE reduced the KP by one or another protection. Would have masoned bugs today and would have asked him about any checks he might have possibly gotten so I claim for him but now that Vivax successfully screwed that one up I have to think of someone else... WAT. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I didn't screw up anything. We don't even know if there are medics. Bugs could have as well claimed, the medic protection would have been assured. I have not been roleblocked, that should tell you enough to know that roleblockers are unlikely. Or that BKE was the roleblocker. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Scum don't know how to behave. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 10:30 Toadesstern wrote: good job. Thanks for killing our not outed DT for that information. Don't be ridiculous. I didn't kill anyone, it was the medics' choice (you apparently are sure there is one). Bugs didn't claim despite the probable absence of a scum roleblocker, that's cause he didn't listen to whom? Toad, your N1 decision fucked this town over the worst possible way. The jack didn't get roleblocked, you roleblocked the DT, and Sandro died. Think about this before giving me the fault for what's happening. I realize it might have been bad luck, but so was this night for Bugs. And you can't blame it on me. Have some of the shit you're shoveling at me. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
There's not even the evidence that the medic used his power. I can understand if you're mad, but please. Enough of this. It's getting us nowhere. I know I've not been playing shit given where we are standing now, but I also know that I have made several mistakes. Be civil, acknowledge that, and move on, town is probably winning this anyway. Nobody is perfect. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 10:40 annul wrote: in case you all are uncultured plebs who do not watch game of thrones, i am mad hatter my bomb is on chez. if he gets lynched, i lose the bomb. therefore, it is better to spend our time trying to find the 5th mafia and leaving him up. he will not be contributing to KP (since BKE is sure to flip red... they will have 1 KP from now until the end of the game regardless) so his presence here is moot. however, hatter with an active bomb is a huge endgame advantage for us if it gets to that point. furthermore, i can move my bomb tonight onto someone random if we can't agree on a lynch for day 4 and we can pop chez tomorrow no problem. That's cool. Makes two less players to worry about. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I don't see your vote in the apposite thread. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I'd like to know who supports and who is opposed to a Chezinu lynch. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 22:41 FiveTouch wrote: I'm working under the assumption that Chezinu is mafia. This isn't tricky to work out in the slightest. Sorry If I'm just being annoying but...That makes no sense. You say "We're going to lynch Chez unless we figure out who the fifth mafia is" .That means you would be willing to lynch someone else besides Chez if you figure him out as mafia. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Who should we be lynching instead of him in your opinion? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Just as a general reminder for everyone: With a scum mayor, LYLO is reached 3 town days before usual cause else you can't beat his 3 votes. Instead of two townies against one vote, you need 4 townies against 3 votes. When that situation is reached, FT should be lynched as a matter of safety. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I secretly plan on taking his spot. You are too good for me. I concede to your skills. Seriously though, Oats is striking me the wrong way. Since his lynch his out of question, his interest in the game dropped and he simply started to post things that make him look like he's on the right side. I was thinking him to be town because of his gonzaw case earlier, but on the other hand.. Should we think that? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I'm not voting you cause of Annul's bomb and cause it's stupid to assume you could be scum based on what we have seen so far. There are absolutely no arguments out from the sides wanting to lynch you, especially Toad and FT, who were very wordy about their reasons to lynch prplhz and Oats, are now on autopilot to kill you. Might as well vote for Adam/Fuba/grush/stutters in that case. They are roughly in your same category. But I don't like voting for them like this. If anything, they should be the targets of MHs as somewhat-vigis, like annul chose. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
With marv, there's one rule: If it's alive at LYLO, kill it with fire. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 07:08 FiveTouch wrote: Fairly sure you said that to me about BKE repeatedly as well, and now you want to kill him. Funny how it works, isn't it? There has only been 1 kill tonight and BKE has been jailed. No medic claims so far. Funny how you're asking your usual scummy questions, isn't it, marv? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 07:14 FiveTouch wrote: If this is the case, the medic should absolutely claim to stop us lynching a townie. But it's almost certainly not the case. Quote1: I speculated about that option earlier as well, but to be honest they would trade a kill of a more useful townie than BKE against the mislynch of a BKE that isn't of use to town, so I think it's unlikely and would be really bad play by scum. Quote2: Medic should only claim if he saved somebody. Pointless to claim when scum double stacked on Bugs. Even if he claims we won't know BKE's alignment. With all courtesy: That's a bad suggestion. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
So I presume your goal is to dissuade me from being confident into him being scum? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
But yeah, I just realized I made a mistake in thinking, forget what I just posted about medic not claiming if he targeted Bugs. If the medic targeted Bugs we know for sure that BKE is town, actually. Toad looked SO sure that Bugs hadn't been targeted though. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Hoooooooly shit | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
As for the other target, we should start to talk about that. As you see, I want to lynch yamato. Can I hear reasons for not lynching him? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
It's void of any persuasion attempts to get town to lynch Chezinu. The things of substance you mention are: He's difficult to read; he lied about some player we still don't know about; he voted gonzaw (no one suspected gonzaw D1 except for not getting killed N1 so I don't see how that is scummy) | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 08:16 FiveTouch wrote: Wait, you're telling me you can't think of one reason yamato is town? Why so upset about the eventuality that he talked about yamato? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Original Message From ******: I think prphl is fairly scummy. The fact that his two posts that I remember have been "this guy is scum, I vote for the guy who kills him" is not inspiring. WBG is really good scum apparently, but I think I can read him if he's town and tries to look townie. I'm not sure if what he's doing with his suspicion of prphl is just scum fishing for a wagon on a lurkish player or not. I need more content from Bugsy to make a good read. Reading some filters ATM. I like Austin a lot so far but I don't know what to make of Toad or his vote for Austin. gonzaw? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
The intonation looks spaniard. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Who did x contact first? Who censored the information? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I just found out who that mason is by reading that PM. So it's the mason Chez thought to be mafia. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Endless opinions. I'll ask you another question: Why didn't yamato invite grush to a chat or such to see if he's town but posted that grush could be mafia cause he didn't do exactly that? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I could tell you. But I'm not sure if it will benefit town. It's a guess, but a good one. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote: So, I've been sitting on this idea of mine, and having seen what people think of grush and his likely alignment, I would like to give town some information that I have, which I believe most people do not. Grush is a mason. Town or Mafia, I don't know, but he masoned me day 1. Right now, I am inclined to believe this was a mafia mason, however, because of how it went down. Those are the only two PMs that we have had between us since the start of the game. He never PMd me before that, nor after, despite having the mason channel at his disposal. What makes me think this is mafia mason more so than town is the fact that he wasn't trying to get a better read on me, he wasn't trying to plan anything with me, and he offered up a bare minimum of reads that look exactly like what I was posting at the time. Question: Why didn't yamato PM him after? Why didn't yamato try to get a better read on him if he had reason to believe that he was a mafia mason? What would town yamato have to lose from pressing grush to join a chat channel, or a qt? Why is yamato accusing grush of things he's guilty of, too? The difference between the two is only that grush masoned yamato, what they did behind the curtains is the same. On January 22 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote: Now, I doubt this because it goes in line with what grush was doing in the thread, which was basically nothing. I don't know if I can reasonably expect a town grush to use the mason channel to his advantage when he is barely even playing the game to begin with. Also I don't know why a mafia team would give mason powers to Grush, someone who probably wouldn't use it, and I have a hard time thinking of a good reason a mafia Grush picked me to mason with over a "safer" pick like Mocsta, or even Axle. I post this with the full knowledge that I am potentially outing a town mason, but I have no idea what to make of this situation, and perhaps town can make more sense of it. If mafia decides to shoot him because he's a mason, then at least we know his alignment for sure, and they used KP on a lurker instead of a more active townie. Grush's future mason choices knowing he is a mason ahead of time will not detract from its potential effectiveness if he is town, and if he is scum it's an advantage to the townies he masons with to be able to read him better from this little but if extra information. The red in the last quote isn't strictly scummy, but it's so bad that it's again scummy. He posts this cause he thinks grush is scummy, but he doesn't mind outing a potential townie cause mafia would shoot him anyway as a mason and it would be good for town.lol. And if he's scum the people knowing he's a mason will read him better cause they knew before that he's mason but didn't talk much with yamato. Dafuck? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
My check is. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 11:06 annul wrote: CAN SOMEONE GET ME A LIST OF ALL CLAIMED AND CONFIRMED MASONS THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF, PLEASE? this is particularly important. grush, Chez, Toad, gonzaw, the Chez guy I don't want to reveal yet and an "unknown" mason... | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 11:15 annul wrote: okay good, this is what i wanted to hear. if you have a red that is not chez or BKE, then the game is over. Explain. I'll tell you this much: I didn't check BKE. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 24 2013 16:16 yamato77 wrote: This post of Oats, along with other things like his willingness to give out reads, his overall activity level, and his fairly unnecessary (if mafia) case on Gonzaw, makes me believe that he is town. The fact that he's continued to pursue his read on Gonzaw today is quite telling to me. When he posted the case at night, I believed he would have done so with the idea that it was cheap town cred to do something like this at night when there was no lynch on the line. However, today I see that he's fairly invested in the idea that Gonzaw is mafia, something that I feel a lot of people are at the moment. Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town. *snip* Vivax could still be mafia. *snip* Gonzaw is an interesting idea. *snip* He has a few of these types of posts in his filter, where he softdefends a player (often Vivax actually). *snip* While this is not a strong mafia tell, it is what I have managed to find in his filter after a short bit of diving. I am fairly confident in the possibility of him being mafia for these reasons, along with those that the rest of town has posted. I will resume my filter dive of him tomorrow, and either confirm my own bias or perhaps see something that might change my mind. On January 24 2013 16:18 yamato77 wrote: ##Vote: Gonzaw ##Vote: Double Lynch (not sure if my previous unvote counts for both so I'll reassure the vote) | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 11:28 annul wrote: well, outside of "grush, Chez, Toad, gonzaw" i can confirm a fifth. whether my fifth is your #5/6 i dunno. Is your fifth the unknown of the PM? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 00:53 yamato77 wrote: Notice how he was responding to me until I gave a summary if his filter and concluded he was mafia. Fuba I think is fifth mafia. I'm going to make my case. Brb Why didn't yamato just post,hm? Last thing he wrote is this: On January 27 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote: Debears, Adam, Vivax, Austin all not confirmed to me. Oats/Axle might be mafia but I doubt it. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I still want more opinions about yamato before I reveal the check. I know Adam's, FTs, but not Toad's. Toad wanted to discuss him at the start of the day but is not disinterested in doing so. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote: Vivax, sounds like you checked Yamato. Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check. The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from? What the hell is up with you and Toad thinking I got a green check back? Toad was unspecific about the who, but you think I checked yamato? You think I'd reveal red checks immediately when it sets town on autopilot, kills discussion and lets scum sheep the lynch without reason? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I said before I got a red check back. Now Mocsta comes in and says that he assumes I got a green check back from checking yamato. How the fuck does that makes sense? Mocsta is scum. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I only havr phone access today. But i dont recall vivax stating he got a red check.. Hence i assume he got green and wants to pressure to determine if godfather. This is an earlier quote by you. I said I got a red check, you still think I got back green cause you think I checked yamato? Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check. The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from? As for yamato, all you do is talk about him, why else would I think it was someone else. As for green check, thats the only reason i can think of you requiring discussions prior to release. i have no reason to believe you received a red check as you have shared nothing since your declaration. There is no mention you got a red check, so stop bullshitting like you told us what your check is. On January 27 2013 11:14 Vivax wrote: Chez isn't dying today. My check is. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Why so sure that I would get a green check back? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You are avoiding to give me your opinion about yamato. Why do you think he's town? You're sure about me getting a green check back from him. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote: Well Bugs thinks Axle is town to 99% degree. I dont think Yamato is town to that degree, but based on a filter read on him, I thought his posts have driven town in a good direction. so yes, i think he is town (i just wouldnt say 99%.. i dont have that type of confidence in my reads in general).. you on the other hand have been campaigning for him to be lynched all game, it wouldnt surprise me if you got a green check and said.. ohh.. he must be the godfather. the actions you have taken all game support that you would make this move. What has axle to do with this? Expand on the bolded. Why don't you think he's not town to what degree? But think he's town for his posts? Answer me, please: If I revealed that I got back a red check from yamato, would you lynch him or would you question my check? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
as for the second check, i doubt there was a framer involved. only because who you checked to me seems unpredictable. I announced I would check yamato during the night lol. Why do you think I wouldn't do that? Or that scum wouldn't frame him? You see the red part? Why do you say only? If i haphazard a guess, I would think you cop checked Clarity/Adam. But thats the move I would do as a cop (and I havnt been a cop before) You said in your previous posts that you thought I checked yamato cause I'm pressing for opinions about him. Why do you suddenly think I checked clarity/Adam? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You said before you were believing that I GOT GREEN BACK FROM YAMATO. You said that cause you were thinking I checked him. Im guessing vivax got a grewn check and assumes godfathet. Hence the being coy Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check. The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from? NOW YOU SAY THAT HE WOULD HAVE LIKELY BEEN FRAMED AS RED FOR THE CASE I GOT RED BACK. On January 27 2013 23:48 Mocsta wrote: (2) If you get a red check on yam, I would question the check.... i said prior your check appears unpredictable BUT.. if you indeed did cop check yamato, to me that is a predictable check (due to the constant interest you showed to him in each game cycle) so I think he would be a definite frame candidate. Why did you suddenly change opinions on that? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You wouldn't lynch him no matter what I revealed. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I'm not going to act like most people here and head like a zombie towards the next lynch without discussing other options and depriving the MH of his bomb. Pro town ftw yeah. Also, Mocsta is scum. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 23:42 Mocsta wrote: No idea. your check on gonzaw was a good play. he was kinda out of the spotlight at the end of Night 1, so you had great foresight to make that check. Speaking of anti-town | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Just shows how obviously you make things up since you don't believe what you say yourself. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 28 2013 00:38 FiveTouch wrote: In any case, now we can genuinely look for the 5th mafia. Still waiting for this. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 28 2013 02:07 mkfuba07 wrote: So you admit to voting moscta based on a lie? That's almost all the proof I need. Yea. I lied so that town to attract to attention to me initially. Then I used that lie to build a fake case on Mocsta so that people would suspect him to be town and me to be dumb, when it was clear that it worked, I made the great revelation so that people would know I lied. I obviously said I checked the dead guy so everyone would believe it and not ask me questions afterwards. Shit, fuba, I never ever thought you would uncover such a nasty and well thought out scum powerplay. I am amazed by your deduction skills. Magnifique, truly magnifique. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
It involves claiming scum as often as possible. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 28 2013 07:06 Chezinu wrote: If there is anyone you want to lynch, I will support you! Just name it! The person just can't be me and has to be someone other than BKE. I'm a dying man! Surely you must have someone else! Hah, fool. I demand from you to lynch the brown brother who is closest to you. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Say, why aren't you posting the PMs time? What if I wrote reciprocity after you got that PM? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I don't even see what you're getting at here. Are me an Chez supposed to be scumbuddies cause we used the same word once in the game? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I parrot this. No roleblock claims in two consecutive nights so far. How can you think they have a RB? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
To yams, I missed talking to you after day 1. Your the only one who listen to me. Thanks for being there! Yamato, no mentioning of Chez talking to you? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 28 2013 10:17 yamato77 wrote: What about that conclusion is surprising? Annul claimed mad hatter, and didn't want us to lynch chezinu. These two flips confirm his as mafia. I didn't want to lynch Chezinu either cause of annul's claim. Doesn't this confirm me as mafia, too? Why shouldn't there be 2 MH? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
 igs a grave while Mocsta posts* | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
What was the time of contact? Did he tell you about yamatos contact? Mocsta : January 21 2013 08:08 I agree on chezinu. He needs to input more to the thread. I was expecting a lot more from him considering the reputation and kneepad job debears gave. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I'd see grush going 100 % vigi with a jack role. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Anyway, we know that yamato didn't tell grush anything about Chez, and didn't tell anything to town about Chez. He just told town that he thinks grush is mafia cause he didn't push for more communication. But yamato didn't push for communication either. To be honest, I don't know if I should believe that the ones masoning Chez D1 aren't mafia. You know what I thought of both of them throughout the game, and I could see this as a mindfuck attempt. They never tried to make conclusions openly about Chez's alignment until this day right? Or did yamato tell you something decisive D2, FT? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Gonna filter dive a little. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You know I see frequent absence announcements as scumtrait? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 28 2013 10:07 Mocsta wrote: So mafia have framer and roleblocker left and have lost 2 masons.. what are the chances they would have >2 masons on a 5 man team? Given that there is no evidence for a mafia roleblocker, this might be a "townslip"? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Would you lynch fuba tomorrow? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 28 2013 20:12 mkfuba07 wrote: Thanks. I'll take a better look at the logs when I wake up. I'm pretty sure yamato masoned chez. I'm not sure who chez masoned D1. Do we know who grush masoned D2, D3? It seems he also missed his second vote, so he's kind of on my mind. What do you make of this? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 27 2013 01:31 mkfuba07 wrote: I just realized that if people think I'm the 5th mafia, then all they might want to hear is what I think of my "scumbuddies". BKE is scum based on activity level and decrease in NKs N2. Chez I haven't filtered or anything, but the surety of DS, toad, and FT (particularly FT, since I've clearly come to some disagreement with DS and toad) is telling me to go with it. There were a few things going through the voting thread that go along with a scum chez, so I think it's viable. I guess I'll even vote chez, just to have that second vote on scum until I can find the 5th. ##Vote: Chezinu All I care about is the last scum, because it's not me, and I don't particularly feel like it's yamato or mocsta. Am I the only one in the game who doesn't have debears, stutters, axle, and clarity ruled out? (Again, apologies for missing these,. I'm sure I remember reading something about all of them, but I can't remember for the life of me. In any case, answering me helps town more than yelling at me for not noting it down when I read it the first time.) Also, Vivax, is it time to disclose what you found last night? Because you accuse FT of being scum for (among other incorrect reasons) not releasing who masoned him (which isn't scummy), but you turn around and refuse to divulge your DT check (something that is just infuriating). ...Please? Gotta go walk the dog, be back soon if anyone wants to talk a bit. He wasn't even very interested in Chez until that point, now he says "just to have that vote on scum" | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 10:00 DearestSnot wrote: AUSTIN CANNOT BE SCUM. He would have cannibalized gonzaw's day 1 votes; they would not run together What do you think about this? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 29 2013 01:36 FiveTouch wrote: The reason that Vivax quoted of bugs is an extremely good reason not to, actually. Three major candidates for sherriff - toad, austin, gonzaw. If both gonzaw/austin are mafia then they shouldn't have been running against each other so late in the day, or they should have been giving themselves options to try to get the other into power. None of these things happened. Mind if I correct you? On January 22 2013 05:11 gonzaw wrote: It's obvious I won't be mayor now (it's like 5 hours until deadline right?), so I'm okay with the sheriff position. austin seems likely town as well, and posts his thought process and explanations, and he'd be a good player to have protection from BGs as well, wouldn't mind him being sheriff either. Wouldn't mind Toad being sheriff either, but yeah those successive votes on him seem weird. gonzaw January 22 2013 05:29. austin and Toad, and me obviously. Like some have said, the sheriff role seems perfect for people we want to protect and are likely town and scum would want to kill them (at least after I read that when skimming the thread ) | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 01:11 austinmcc wrote: (4) Look at Gonzaw hard. If he's town, I think he'd be a solid mayor. He can get caught up in his own scheming just like I can, but he's shown an ability to be able to direct a game/faction if put into a position of power, and that's, again, a valuable quality to have in a mayor. I do not want scumGonzaw in that position though, at all. So he's a lot like Chez for me, in that I really don't want to risk mayor Gonzaw unless we're pretty certain of his alignment. On January 22 2013 01:31 austinmcc wrote: Read over Gonzaw some more. Like Gonzaw. Gonzaw is a candidate I would place a vote on. Some short reasons:
I view Gonzaw as townie because of the above. I know that a lot of those points are all the same thing, in that Gonzaw is never just stopping at a response or an explanation, but continuing to make reads or push his reads. Even so, I like that, and the fact that he's constantly doing that makes it feel more genuine and townie to me. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Only Chezinu dared to try. We should be lynching austin tomorrow. Scum is never going to shoot him, he just gave an excuse for that. In truth, he's gonna stay alive until the end cause he is scum himself. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
He's started with high activity, longish posts, supported gonzaw, was supported by Chez and gonzaw. Now he delurks instantly when called out to claim a reason for why he's never going to be shot. His overall activity dropped off in a really visible way. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
You think scum can change framing targets after 10:00? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Why are you even talking to fuba, he's scum. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Why I'm checking debears: 1) Never suspected by me or anyone much for that matter - 0 probability of getting framed. 2) Successfully flying under the radar so far. Impression of low activity. 3) He just jumped in to defend austin, that's when I took a better look at him and decided to check. 4) The timing of this post. Debears was the second last to vote Chezinu and the 7th to vote for him. Yet he had been "masoned" quite some time ago. He could have Absolutely no point for debears to make such a lengthy post about why he thinks Chez is scum (except for looking like contributing and that he has a good reason to vote for him). He was going to get lynched anyway. 5) I find some of the times between his posts to be strange. He clearly posts in a calculated manner. On January 27 2013 03:00 debears wrote: ##vote BKE ##vote Chezinu + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2013 08:36 debears wrote: Chezinu was the one that masoned me. I have a few problems with the pms I exchanged with Chezinu. I am leaning scum on him from the pms we exchanged The reason why I am outing him as mason are four things: 1) His play is highly suspicious if he was town 2) If he was town, he obviously won't have time for the game, based on the pms and stuff stated in thread. 3) He is a center of the lynch debate for tomorrow behind BKE. I'm hoping this will help our decision 4) I'm probably gonna die tonight Ok here we go: 1) I didn't know I was masoned with him until 24 hours after I was masoned due to BC being afk. Yet, Chezinu never sent me a pm to talk. That's very strange. 2) Chezinu wrote out how he had a plan involving masons for the mayor. Here is the plan he gave me through pm. Note that Chezinu didn't follow through with this plan d1, ALTHOUGH HE IS A MASON. He could have saved me and Oats being outted as bodyguards in thread for the mafia. Why would he, as town, have this plan, yet not help orchestrate it when he is indeed a mason? 3) He masoned me, yet he didn't trust me to give me the names of the two masons. So, he must think I have a decent chance at being scum, yet he still masoned me? That's odd reasoning. I understand me and Chez are cool with each other, and I appreciate the gesture, but that's not a winning way to play mafia as town. Why would you want to talk to a scum unless you were fishing for his teammates (which Chez has not asked me anything, I have been the one asking questions) 4) He masoned me over the mayor. This is the reasoning he gave That is a valid point. Still, why wouldn't he talk to toad instead? or someone who he actually considers town? Also, from that point on, Chezinu stated that he wouldn't be able to get on if his internet was out. If the internet worked, he would pm me back 3 1/2 hours after. No pms came after. 5) Chezinu didn't reveal he was mason to one of the masons whom he found townie + Show Spoiler + From: Chezinu [ 2754 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: oh wait. Date: 1/26/13 09:46 For day 1, the mayor wasn't even elected yet. As for the masons getting bodyguard names, the two masons who talked to me were going to talk to 5touch, which they did. I was extremely confident one of them was townie . That mason can't talk to 5touch again for the rest of the game. If all masons talked to 5touch after getting elected, it would be a waste. Do other masons know I'm mason? nope I wasn't the only one who withheld information either. Can't explain unless I decide to reveal masons, which I haven't decided if I will yet. I will release them probably tomorrow. I plan to mason 5touch tomorrow, which is in about 15 minutes - geez night goes by quick. Original Message From debears: Who did you mason day 1? Why didnt you mason the mayor day 1? Your plan involves town masons getting the bodyguard names, yet you didn't want to be that mason for the plan? Also, do the other masons know you are mason? Would you care if I released you are mason to the thread and the pms? Show nested quote + Here are the rest of the pms besides the last ones (of no importance) + Show Spoiler + From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: yoyoyoyo Date: 1/25/13 14:51 Cool! So BC delivered my message? Original Message From debears: i just got a pm from BC saying we're masoned since 24 hours ago lol. Wassup! From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: mommy dearest Date: 1/25/13 14:58 Mommy dearest is threatening the brown brotherhood since day 1. He has been spreading lies about the brown. One can read the thread to find the truth. The thing mommy dearest is hoping no one would do. Which is true, cause I don't have that much time to do it. What do you think about mommy dearest? From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Matters of the Brown Brotherhood Date: 1/26/13 02:45 You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you! Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks.. To say or not to say? That is the question. OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know. Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election. So, where am I going with this? The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia. Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy. This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games). Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba. As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die). As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that? Original Message From ******: I think prphl is fairly scummy. The fact that his two posts that I remember have been "this guy is scum, I vote for the guy who kills him" is not inspiring. WBG is really good scum apparently, but I think I can read him if he's town and tries to look townie. I'm not sure if what he's doing with his suspicion of prphl is just scum fishing for a wagon on a lurkish player or not. I need more content from Bugsy to make a good read. Reading some filters ATM. I like Austin a lot so far but I don't know what to make of Toad or his vote for Austin. Show nested quote + " I like to keep my previous masons anonymous. Oh and why I masoned you? Well, I was busy with a midterm and missed the earlier part of Day 2. I saw that you were sad that you didn't join my circle yet. I knew at the time that the two masons who masoned me talked to 5touch already. I know there is another mason out there who will probably talk to 5touch tomorrow as well. Just know its all in 5touch's hands. If he is mafia, the game is already over. But I highly doubt this. Based on your list, BKE and grush look the best. grush on the otherhand I'm debating could be blue. I have this red blue colorblindness. All these masons this game isn't helping me. It Chezinu's biggest weakness and these last two games are really pointing this out. Of course, I thought oats was mafia. But they laugh and I felt sad. *Silly Songs with Larry starts playing* Original Message From debears: Brother, I would also like to request a few more things from you: Who did thou mason day 1? What was this plan you stated day 1 with the masons? If you are comfortable sharing with me, who were your the other 2 masons that talked to you day 1? Who are your other scum listed? I would think it's between BKE, Annul, You, Grush, and Mkfuba for the last 3 From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: ok I gtg! Date: 1/26/13 02:47 I told myself to resist looking at this game, I have school work to do. I just saw those pretty PMs. I will try to come back before the deadline. The wireless network in my department building isn't working. If it happens to work, I will be able to check thread in about 3 and a half hours. From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: oh wait. Date: 1/26/13 02:48 Its night time! I already missed the previous deadline (thus my vote suck on oats). 5) His attitude on gonzaw On January 22 2013 00:16 debears wrote: Btw 5touch for mayor Gonzaw for sheriff Nuff said On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote: It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote: Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred On January 22 2013 06:27 debears wrote: Why exactly is austin so scummy in your opinion? On January 23 2013 15:17 debears wrote: Ok. WBG I'll give you something to look at for Gonzaw. I htink the bottom stuff in red is the most pertaining to why I believe he is scum What is mafia trying to accomplish d1 with election 1) elect one of their own as mayor/sheriff 2) Trying to elect mayor who will get the first lynch wrong 3) Have someone on the correct mayor for town cred Gonzaw- - slight scum Up for election - didn't push it hard Didn't want to budge too fast on 5touch as mayor -----> didn't seem to care for trying to get mayor over 5 No comment on prplhz----> Don't agree with prplhz lynch Heavy pressure on sandro early Wanted to lynch stutters and Oats and Clarity -spread out btw those 4. Big discrepancy in treatment btw prplhz and sandro treatment for being inactive d1 Votes himself Really wanted to convince 5touch to lynch Oats over prplhz when realized he won't be mayor http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17590733 Thought stutters was scum and should be lynched, yet needs to explain himself to stutters so in depth? With a tone of treating Oats as town? Look at post before "stutters should be lynched" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17599229 Does it again. Then names Oats first in the scum team Tries to convince Oats that Oats is scum. Not really trying to convince others and show scum motivation Case on gonzaw after Bugs and others started suspecting him. Debears @ January 24 2013 01:11. So you thought Gonzaw was scum all day 1 and suddenly change your viewpoint and think he's town for no reason? And you suddenly get on everyone's case about voting gonzaw? Debears attacks me cause he thinks I defended gonzaw (which wasn't even true) after suspecting him D1. Scum seeing the connection before the flip. On January 24 2013 01:42 debears wrote: 5Touch I am becoming gradually more suspicious of Oats for one very specific reason. I will let you know after the 24 hour mark in day2 what exactly I am noticing about him Prepares to join the Oats wagon when people lose interest in gonzaw. On January 24 2013 10:39 debears wrote: Upon learning of my bodyguard status as town, I realized one thing immediately: I only have this lynch left in the game Why? I strongly believe 5touch is town, and toad I'd say is town for now. Mafia probably won't like having those extra three mayoral votes from 5touch regardless of if toad was scum. Thus, I will very very likely be killed tonight. So, debears, why the sudden spike in activity? Because I have one more lynch I can help town with in this game Now, look at Oatsmaster's posting. What has his psychological mindset been since learning of being bodyguard? Nothing. No urgency. No realization that he will be nked soon. No great effort to help town out one last day Why? I think it's because he's scum. 1) He's focusing on defending himself instead of giving reads 2) If he was town, he would realize that he would die in the night, and that giving reads is priority over defending yourself 3) Most of the town has agreed that lynching into the bodyguards isn't a great strategy since we will either 1. die or 2. be found out once the mayor dies. Thus, it would only take real effort in a focused manner to ward off his lynch Dramatic post where he sets his target: Oats. He lost all interest in gonzaw after asking him a question before. But no expansion on that answer (if there ever was one) On January 24 2013 07:05 debears wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 04:51 gonzaw wrote: You might want to reread my mayor campaign. I wanted D1 to run "smoothly as normal", and if people thought I was a good mayor candidate by mid-late D1 then it'd be great if they voted me. I was also absent/sleeping for much part of Five "rising to power". When I woke up one day Five already had like 5-6 votes and I had none, I obviously wasn't becoming mayor by that point and he was. sandro is sandro. When town he does big plays as early as possible, he tries to "bully the setup", break the game, and have town win as early as possible. You can't obviously compare him with prplhz. Yes I did. I don't think it matters anyways, since I believe Oats to be scum. Lol this actually reminds me of Aperture Mafia 2. I was on scum's tail all D1 (JingleHell), but made some "wishy washy" comments about the current lynched scum (iamp). I got flak for it the whole game and basically forced me to claim, when I was right all along lol. Funny how it's likely to be happening this game as well You don't seem to be familiar with my play. When I "try to convince my target he is scum", I'm obviously not doing that. What I'm doing is: -If somehow that guy is town, point out the scummy things he's doing, and how they come from a mafia perspective. If he's town, hopefully this will make him realize what he's doing and change his play accordingly, so he doesn't get misslynched -I want the guy to know why he's scummy, this way he has no way to hide. If he keeps acting like he is doing after I mention that, then it means he acknowledged what I said but didn't care about it. That is a strong indication of mafia for me (or at points, depending on his play, maybe a townie), depending on his reactions. -If the guy is scum, then it also kills 2 birds with 1 stone by showing other people why he's scum. Gonz, could you post a few examples from your town games where you have this sort of posting style toward your hard scumreads? I don't want to look through filters since I don't know exactly what games you had a hard scumread. And you should be able to come up with one or two examples since it should be part of your standard town play So we know gonz and Oats should be his suspects at the time, but the next post proves us wrong. On January 24 2013 15:31 debears wrote: I am not comfortable with lynching Gonzaw currently over annul and BKE Upon closer inspection of his town games listed, and a couple of his scum games, I found that his posting style of convincing someone of their scumminess is a trait of his town games. I only looked a little in the scum ones and I didn't see it I didn't see anything in terms of him defending himself against a scumread's accusations in either That would leave me wanting to lynch Gonzaw based on 1) His running for mayor (scum having to have someone run) 2) Him trying to convince 5touch to lynch oats over prplhz I'm still waiting on an answer over whether the mayor/sheriff can be killed in the same night as a bodyguard. If so, then I agree with not lynching Oats. If the mayor/sheriff can't be killed on the same night, we should take that into consideration of lynching oats Ta-daa. He spits out a sudden townread, still listing reasons for why he could be scum, without listing ONE reason for suspecting annul or BKE before, whom he prefers over gonzaw (why???) Then my claim came, and the game was over for gonzy. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I am swimming in an ocean of I don't know what the fuck. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
How the hell is annul supposed to be sure who's going to get lynched? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
bugs and toad gave you Chez/BKE/fuba, I gave you Chez/BKE/axlegreaser Knowing that we were 99% likely going to lynch Chez/BKE day 3, why on earth did you put your bomb on Chezinu? For reference | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 00:21 annul wrote: debears, grush, toad, BKE 3/4 are mafia calling it now why isn't Chez in there? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Bodyguard | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 29 2013 11:31 FiveTouch wrote: No, but annul claimed Mad Hatter on day 3. Going into day 3, he hadn't yet. If you take aside your tunnels, and before annul claimed, did you think there was any realistic likelihood of those 2 not getting lynched? If so, who did you think was getting lynched day 3? Anyone who I claimed to have checked as red had the potential of getting lynched. I could be crazy enough to fakeclaim if I'm sure that it gets scum lynched. Grush knows that, I told him I might do it. But I decided to tell the truth in the end. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 26 2013 00:21 annul wrote: debears, grush, toad, BKE 3/4 are mafia calling it now On January 26 2013 02:25 annul wrote: hey WBG and fivetouch and toad who are your top three scum reads pl0x On January 26 2013 02:56 annul wrote: okay, so you both have top 3 of: Chez, BKE mkfuba fivetouch? On January 26 2013 03:10 annul wrote: oatsmaster if you are around, top 3 scum reads please Annul scouting for opinions on tomorrow's lynch, in the end he decided to pick the one who didn't coincide with his earlier reads. Either he sheeped as town, or he fakeclaimed. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
FiveTouch - 7 DearestSnot FiveTouch debears JieXian mkfuba07 yamato77 prplhz austinmcc - 3 Oatsmaster austinmcc sandroba Chezinu - 2 Chezinu grush57 Toadesstern - 4 Toadesstern Vivax Stutters695 djodref gonzaw - 3 Gonzaw mocsta axlegreaser annul - 1 annul Why didn't annul try to get his buddies elected if he's indeed scum? I don't see that vote make sense for mafia. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
He could have managed to elect gonzaw or austin into position together with Chez. If you think about it, a townie in pole position like both of them could be effectively framed by getting elected this way by a scum right before dying. That actually speaks for austinmcc being scum cause they were afraid of forcing his election. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
1) Getting one of theirs elected instead of Toad 2) Framing austinmcc for later. Unless you think that Toad is scum I don't see them acting like this. Maybe prplhz played against his own team cause you are scum and he was pissed that you bussed him D1. That is speculative. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I'm in support of an austin lynch cause of the stated. Marv gets lynched at LYLO (which comes before with him as scum mayor) to avoid another Hero MM. DID YOU HEAR ME GRUSH???? Marv, don't take this personally, but you're dangerous as shit to have around at LYLO, no matter who you lynched. Consider this an argument that doesn't want your reply. It's policy. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Why so opposed to an austin lynch? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
/brofist yamato | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Let's just discuss. Why not austin? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Let's just talk about something else. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 29 2013 12:46 Vivax wrote: Oats, who would you be lynching instead of him? Oatsy pls. You don't win this game by defending your townreads. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 29 2013 03:12 FiveTouch wrote: Going through austin's filter at work because I'm naughty. I found this: Hi probable townie, given you want another townie with bodyguards (toad), why don't you move your vote off mafia and on to this townie? This the last thing of weight you wrote about him. Doesn't look like it's to say he's town. Then you completely ignored the fact that gonzaw and austin supported each other, saying literally that they didn't do that. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I saved scum from being lynched to lynch another scum. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
YANMM Wiggles did the same to me. I was just a complete idiot for thinking Oats is town for pushing gonzaw. On January 27 2013 18:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Well yeah I agree with annul, Cause I think he is town. There is absolutly no reason not to unvote Chez if you think that Annul is town. This isn't the only reason Oats is scum. The main reason is his activity in the other game. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Time to ask you the famous question: Wasn't it crystal clear at the start of D2 that the lynch was between gonzaw and Oats? Where did all your reasons for voting Oats D2 go? You looked like you were the one pushing the lynch the hardest. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Sorry I thought the host would reply and confirm it or something. I think your town because of your posts, and thats why I masoned you. I think gonzaw is townie, good posts. I don't like vivax. Crazy de-lurk by mkfuba I would get behind a chezinu mayor spot. Then there's grushs early PM. This game is a giant mindfuck. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 29 2013 12:00 Vivax wrote: For prplhz it made sense to not get one of them elected, it would look super fishy after his lynch. He could have managed to elect gonzaw or austin into position together with Chez. If you think about it, a townie in pole position like both of them could be effectively framed by getting elected this way by a scum right before dying. That actually speaks for austinmcc being scum cause they were afraid of forcing his election. When Toad was leading in votes as sheriff, they could have stopped his election by electing gonzaw. They didn't do that despite gonzaw being scum, that means they had no interest in getting one of theirs in over Toad, or they were too scared of creating such a connection. It can mean two things: → Toad is scum. → They were afraid of electing gonzaw like that. → Toad is town and they didn't give a fuck about framing townies or getting one of theirs elected. Then, there's austin. For the case that austin is town, they could have elected him over Toad with prplhz's vote, effectively framing him and stopping Toad from getting the spot, they didn't do that, it means: → Toad is scum. → They were afraid of electing austin like that, just like gonzaw. → Austin is town and they didn't think about framing austin like that and preferred Toad over austin anyway. → Toad is town and they didn't give a fuck about framing townies or getting one of theirs elected. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
→ → They were afraid of electing gonzaw like that. → Austin: → → They were afraid of electing austin like that, just like gonzaw. → Austin is town and they didn't think about framing austin like that and preferred Toad as townie over austin anyway. → | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
As to Chez, we have more to go on there than with the other players - he has been involved in at least two masonings, if everyone is telling the truth. That should give us more to go on, and the masons he was with can share their thoughts at some point. If we're going to go after a heavy lurker, I'd prefer a not-Chezinu, because it seems there's more to Chezinu than just what's been in thread. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Instead he's seemingly afraid to look bad and openly says he wanted town to get off Chez wtf. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I could see BC trolling town by creating a scumteam with 5 vets/experienced players in it. There is no sign of the balance Toad talks about so far. See you at deadline then. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 30 2013 02:01 annul wrote: IF BKE was mafia, when the first accusation went against him (i think it was someone saying "yeah you're definitely mafia" as a one-liner right after one of his posts), people may have tried to sway people off of him. i can see a world where they do this, yes. i would as scum anyway. Never forget. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
It's a bad argument, they double stacked to incriminate him in the first place. Would be ridiculous to defend him afterwards. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Are you trying to say that scum would try to sway off votes from BKE in your world? And how is that even related to you picking Chez? How did you know before the night ended that people would be sure that BKE was mafia afterwards since that seems to be your reasoning for picking Chez? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
The question to you was simple: Why did you pick Chez as target for your bomb? You answer with: My role usage was fine. assuming BKE was mafia, like 100% of the players here did (i may have missed a defender, but i doubt it), then there is literally no reason at all to have killed chez yesterday. none. mafia KP remains at 1 and chez does not hold any town powers, he isn't trusted, he's essentially already dead, just with a voice and one vote. that's it. IF BKE was mafia, when the first accusation went against him (i think it was someone saying "yeah you're definitely mafia" as a one-liner right after one of his posts), people may have tried to sway people off of him. i can see a world where they do this, yes. i would as scum anyway. I can understand your first argument for not killing Chez that day, except that for the part that implies that you wanted to drag Chez along until the lategame. But the second? Why are you justifying the fact that you thought BKE was mafia during the day? That was like the most natural thing one could do as town. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Wasn't enough to lynch me immediately, but it was for later. How is the assumption of BKE being red a hole in your argument? Are you trying to say that you would not have tried to stop the Chez lynch if you thought BKE was green? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
He knew all the things he's guilty of, and one of them is calling BKE scum. That's why he's justifying for doing that when literally all of town was sure about BKE. Forget axle, let's annul annul | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
1. Place bomb on Chez cause you think he's scum. 2. Claim MH with the intention of keeping the bomb on Chez suggesting that you want him around until lategame. 3. Claim you did so cause you thought BKE was scum and since you are so sure of that it implies that mafia will only have 1 KP left after the lynch. Now we stand corrected. Chez was mafia, they would have had 2 KP last night if we listened to annul. Annul is being accused of point 1, and 2. Annul justifies point 3 and ignores 1 and 2. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
He and austin are far better lynches than Axle in my opinion. As far as I'm understanding Toad he thinks Axle is scum cause he talked like he's a medic but didn't claim in the mason chat. Well, he could have claimed saying that he tried to save someone if he was mafia, so I don't see the point Toad sees. The Chez and gonzaw support can be said for grush and debears as well, I'm sure debears supported Chez initially, not sure about gonzaw, would have to look but I checked him anyway. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Not sure if they would try to use the frame offensively at this point. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Mocsta is dead, Axle is soon dead and Adam is still alive. Out of balance reasons there has to be an Australian in the scum team, at least. If Axle is scum I could also imagine two. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Alzheimer is a bitch, Toad. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Only in this game of course. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Adam + Fuba? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Scum almost got gonzaw elected but one guy...ONE GUY fucked it all up. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Anyway, we should be lynching Adam today, it actually makes sense that scum failed to vote for gonzaw with clarity being afk. Then there's grush having his vote resting on Chez where it was without effect. That might mean he was an afk mafia at deadline, too. That actually is possible cause: On January 22 2013 10:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Niagara_falls_at_Night.jpg) Night 1 The day had been a long one. People had yelled at each other, accused each other, and had finally come to a consensus. Fivetouch emerged as the victor in the election. His second was Toadestern, who pinned on his new sheriff badge with pride. Fivetouch walked up to the podium. Rather than some big speech he pointed at prplhz. "seize him and bring him to the gallows." Prpl was dragged kicking and pleading for his life. It did not last long however. Once he was swinging by the neck. The Town looked on in horror at the limp body. It was only when the legs stopped twitching did they notice a tatoo partially viewable on his chest. On inspection it revealed Prplhz the mafia goon For the type of man he was. On January 22 2013 11:36 grush57 wrote: Hooray d1 is over an a scum got lynched. Look at the time. One is grush's last post before the election, then the lynch post, then grush's first post after the lynch, and he kept his vote on Chezinu before the election finished. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Anyway, why is annul acting like he had been jailed but didn't claim the RB?Did I miss that? | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On February 01 2013 10:24 annul wrote: i am going to sleep now, but now that toad used up his powers and is either red or effectively a green, we should start to consider him in lynch decisions, too. he literally just attempted to railroad me while using a "DO NOT FIGHT ME ON THIS OR I WILL LYNCH YOU FOR BEING STUPID" argument. trying to stifle dissent, eh? hmmm... He should know he didn't. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Annul or some afk guy (clarity) didn't manage to pull that through. I'm in for annul, not so much for Oats yet. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 22 2013 08:35 debears wrote: Gold all in my chain Gold all in my ring Gold all in my watch Don't believe me just watch | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
I'd keep the bodyguards for last so we can have our nice guys around for a bit longer, I've actually a townish read on fuba given his defence of JX and yamato against my pushes after skimming his filter. Scum would probably just let me do in that situation. That leaves me with Adam just for the option that clarity couldn't elect gonzaw into position for the rl issues. Him semi-pushing Axle doesn't really matter much imo. He was dead the moment FT and Toad got interested into him pretty much. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On February 01 2013 23:37 austinmcc wrote: The jail was not used. There was no RB. Yeah, what I meant is that he didn't claim it and said that Toad just proved he's not scum. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:04 annul wrote: i have no role to use to be blocked. what notification would i receive? none, obviously. Hey annul, even if marv insults you and you're scum, you're still my bro. Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it This for the roleblocker, applies to jailer 100 %. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Bugs didn't get it after I asked him to look at gonzaw, and he voted Oats after saying the whole time that he is town. One of the reasons I checked him btw. Being sure that yamato was scum thinking I'm DT and preparing to write a bus post, I claimed while you, Bugs and FT decided to lynch Oats already. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
On January 25 2013 02:21 Toadesstern wrote: you still haven't read what I said? I never masoned a DT. I shot a PM @the hosts because the OP says rolecop, not role+alignment cop. I'm going to mason the DT next cycle. Understood? Or do I have to say it a 4th time? It was this post btw | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
If there's 3 GF then this is a semi-troll setup. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Oats didn't get gonzaw elected. Why? Oats pushed gonzaw during N1 into D2. Why? Fuck that claim. I hate you Oats. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Special props to marv for hitting scum like a truck. And others for knowing when he was right. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
Everyone wants to lynch you but no one dares. | ||
|
Vivax
21972 Posts
| ||
| ||
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/b2i56iR.jpg)
