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Subject: Toad
Date: 2/1/13 04:25
If I die post this log.

[1/26/2013 7:42:07 PM] Erik: sup am here
[1/26/2013 7:42:09 PM] Erik: for a bit
[1/26/2013 8:56:49 PM] Kyle Page: still there?
[1/26/2013 8:56:58 PM] Erik: yeah
[1/26/2013 8:57:04 PM] Erik: though I'll have a routerreset in 4 minutes
[1/26/2013 8:57:10 PM] Kyle Page: okay
[1/26/2013 8:57:16 PM] Kyle Page: well im just going to tell you what I know
[1/26/2013 8:57:20 PM] Kyle Page: i masoned xhez d1
[1/26/2013 8:57:31 PM] Kyle Page: i thought people took him seriously
[1/26/2013 8:57:36 PM] Kyle Page: apparently noy
[1/26/2013 8:57:42 PM] Erik: are you one of the mystery masons vivax knows?
[1/26/2013 8:57:53 PM] Kyle Page: vivax dont know shit
[1/26/2013 8:57:56 PM] Kyle Page: FT/marv knows
[1/26/2013 8:57:58 PM] Erik: k
[1/26/2013 8:58:04 PM] Kyle Page: i masoned him d2 and gave him my logs with chez
[1/26/2013 8:58:07 PM] Erik: man I'm so mad at our medic..
[1/26/2013 8:58:30 PM] Erik: could I have made the "protect bugs tonight" any cleared than I did?...
[1/26/2013 8:58:34 PM] Kyle Page: no
[1/26/2013 8:58:42 PM] Kyle Page: if I was medic bugs would be alive
[1/26/2013 8:58:45 PM] Kyle Page: idk
[1/26/2013 8:58:48 PM] Kyle Page: maybe wo dont have one
[1/26/2013 8:58:52 PM] Erik: everything was set up perfectly
[1/26/2013 8:58:57 PM] Erik: medic chain ending on bugs
[1/26/2013 8:58:59 PM] Erik: and he screws up..
[1/26/2013 8:59:09 PM] Erik: we have one..
[1/26/2013 8:59:12 PM] Kyle Page: you know who he is?
[1/26/2013 8:59:16 PM] Erik: yeah
[1/26/2013 8:59:18 PM] Kyle Page: Oats?
[1/26/2013 8:59:25 PM] Erik: not sure if I want to tell you yet
[1/26/2013 8:59:29 PM] Kyle Page: thats fine
[1/26/2013 8:59:43 PM] Erik: you might still be mafia if a lot out of chez / BKE / fuba / mocsta flips town
[1/26/2013 8:59:52 PM] Kyle Page: I know you guys somnehow think i might be mafia
[1/26/2013 8:59:53 PM] Kyle Page: but realistically
[1/26/2013 8:59:56 PM] Kyle Page: come on
[1/26/2013 9:00:07 PM] Erik: I don't think you're mafia
[1/26/2013 9:00:11 PM] Erik: you're just not cleared town
[1/26/2013 9:00:16 PM] Kyle Page: fair enough
[1/26/2013 9:00:20 PM] Kyle Page: and I understand the logic
[1/26/2013 9:00:25 PM] Erik: while have of the thread is basicly modconfirmed around now
[1/26/2013 9:00:33 PM] Kyle Page: idk
[1/26/2013 9:00:43 PM] Kyle Page: i think debears could be mafia
[1/26/2013 9:00:53 PM] Erik: yeah unlikely but it could be
[1/26/2013 9:00:56 PM] Erik: just like you
[1/26/2013 9:01:24 PM] Kyle Page: though
[1/26/2013 9:01:25 PM] Erik: am I still here?
[1/26/2013 9:01:31 PM] Kyle Page: my theory around that revolves around you being mafia too
[1/26/2013 9:01:39 PM] Kyle Page: but i dont think thats true
[1/26/2013 9:01:42 PM] Kyle Page: its just like
[1/26/2013 9:01:48 PM] Kyle Page: a lylo situation
[1/26/2013 9:02:33 PM] Kyle Page: and i cant get rid of my suspicion on vivax
[1/26/2013 9:02:40 PM] Kyle Page: though i have no real reason to doubt his claim
[1/26/2013 9:07:09 PM] Erik: sry routerreset like I mentioned
[1/26/2013 9:07:19 PM] Erik: [04:00:23] Kyle Page: idk
[04:00:34] Kyle Page: i think debears could be mafia
[04:00:42] Erik: yeah unlikely but it could be
[04:00:46] Erik: just like you
[04:01:14] Kyle Page: though
[04:01:15] Erik: am I still here?
[04:01:21] Kyle Page: my theory around that revolves around you being mafia too
[04:01:29] Kyle Page: but i dont think thats true
[04:01:32] Kyle Page: its just like
[04:01:38] Kyle Page: a lylo situation
[04:02:24] Kyle Page: and i cant get rid of my suspicion on vivax
[04:02:33] Kyle Page: though i have no real reason to doubt his claim
[04:07:00] Erik: sry routerreset like I mentioned
[1/26/2013 9:07:24 PM] Erik: that's what skype looks like to me
[1/26/2013 9:07:30 PM] Erik: anything I missed or you didn't get?
[1/26/2013 9:08:06 PM] Kyle Page: i got it al just now
[1/26/2013 9:08:14 PM] Kyle Page: idk im paranoid
[1/26/2013 9:08:38 PM] Erik: about what?
[1/26/2013 9:12:19 PM] Erik: i mean worst case scenario is probably one out of bke chez flips town
[1/26/2013 9:12:26 PM] Erik: I REALLY think both will flip mafia
[1/26/2013 9:12:27 PM] Kyle Page: chez more likely to flip town
[1/26/2013 9:12:37 PM] Erik: I can't imagine both being town
[1/26/2013 9:12:48 PM] Erik: and as long as we have 1 mafia we have them permanently on 1 KP and I know the medic
[1/26/2013 9:13:12 PM] Erik: btw I told bugs to check you yesterday...
[1/26/2013 9:13:36 PM] Erik: because the mafais are most people like BKE / chez are most likely going to be framer if there's a framer
[1/26/2013 9:13:48 PM] Erik: and we just wanted to confirm people one by one..
[1/26/2013 9:13:55 PM] Erik: stupid medic screwed up big time
[1/26/2013 9:14:08 PM] Kyle Page: doesnt matter a whole lot tbh
[1/26/2013 9:14:22 PM] Kyle Page: im pretty sure vivax checked me
[1/26/2013 9:19:26 PM] Erik: I just don't know how he ended up checking gonzaw n1 :D
[1/26/2013 9:19:34 PM] Erik: i mean there's no denying he got a mafia with that check
[1/26/2013 9:19:42 PM] Erik: but EVERYTHING else he said is utter bullshit
[1/26/2013 9:20:47 PM] Kyle Page: idk
[1/26/2013 9:20:56 PM] Kyle Page: i feel like it could be a power play
[1/26/2013 9:20:59 PM] Kyle Page: i cant let it go
[1/26/2013 9:21:03 PM] Kyle Page: i just cant
[1/26/2013 9:21:13 PM] Kyle Page: he was better town in LVIII as scum than this game
[1/26/2013 9:21:16 PM] Kyle Page: for fucking real
[1/26/2013 9:21:32 PM] Erik: like mafia power play?
[1/26/2013 9:21:37 PM] Kyle Page: ya
[1/26/2013 9:21:38 PM] Erik: to look retarded on purpose?
[1/26/2013 9:21:48 PM] Erik: kind of doubt it
[1/26/2013 9:21:50 PM] Kyle Page: no one lynches people for being anti town
[1/26/2013 9:22:07 PM] Erik: I really think I might have been the cause of how he plays...
[1/26/2013 9:22:29 PM] Erik: remember when I called you two idiots for smashing your heads against each other like little kids when everyone thought you're both just town?
[1/26/2013 9:22:40 PM] Erik: he was really pissed about me calling him an idiot and starting flaming back
[1/26/2013 9:22:44 PM] Kyle Page: I honestly thought he was mafia from that post
[1/26/2013 9:22:50 PM] Kyle Page: like
[1/26/2013 9:22:58 PM] Kyle Page: how fucking stupid is that post from a town perspective
[1/26/2013 9:23:02 PM] Kyle Page: makes no goddamn sense
[1/26/2013 9:23:21 PM] Erik: nothing he said makes sense^^
[1/26/2013 9:24:51 PM] Kyle Page: this is true
[1/26/2013 9:31:08 PM] Erik: oh well screw this about the medic
[1/26/2013 9:31:18 PM] Erik: you can find him out anyways with me saying I know him...
[1/26/2013 9:31:21 PM] Erik: it's axle
[1/26/2013 9:32:08 PM] Kyle Page: lol
[1/26/2013 9:32:10 PM] Kyle Page: really
[1/26/2013 9:32:30 PM] Erik: he claimed 4 times in the thread..
[1/26/2013 9:32:34 PM] Erik: is noone reading his posts?
[1/26/2013 9:32:37 PM] Kyle Page: nope
[1/26/2013 9:33:16 PM] Kyle Page: after the newbie I played with him I gave up on understanding him
[1/26/2013 9:33:58 PM] Erik: I do the big "WTF, WHAT ARE YOU DOING MEDICS, WHY DIDN'T YOU PROTECT BUGS" post and he quotes that and answers:
[1/26/2013 9:33:59 PM] Erik: [Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:43 PM] Erik:

<<< "Consequently this may or may not make sense to Toad
If it doesnt make sense Toad then i hope or expect it just simply that I derped again, and that I failed to guess thigns that I dont know correctly.
"
[1/26/2013 9:34:21 PM] Kyle Page: rofl
[1/26/2013 9:34:28 PM] Kyle Page: that is a claim huh
[1/26/2013 9:34:31 PM] Erik: and he said he's sorry for screwing up n1 after I said the medics shouldn't protect sandroba
[1/26/2013 9:34:34 PM] Erik: and 2 other things
[1/26/2013 9:34:42 PM] Erik: it doesn't get any clearer than that
[1/26/2013 9:34:50 PM] Erik: I'll still mason him tomorrow
[1/26/2013 9:34:54 PM] Erik: and ask him to roleclaim
[1/26/2013 9:34:56 PM] Kyle Page: why mason him
[1/26/2013 9:35:02 PM] Erik: if he says anything than medic we lynch him
[1/26/2013 9:35:12 PM] Erik: and if he is the medic I just tell him what to do..
[1/26/2013 9:35:14 PM] Kyle Page: i highly doubt he's mafia
[1/26/2013 9:35:26 PM] Kyle Page: highly highly highly
[1/26/2013 9:35:33 PM] Kyle Page: if he's mafia I quit
[1/26/2013 9:35:42 PM] Erik: yeah he's basicly confirmed town to me
[1/26/2013 9:35:51 PM] Erik: especially with thos 4 medic claims..
[1/26/2013 9:36:13 PM] Erik: I might even be more willing to lynch FT than him lol
[1/26/2013 9:36:19 PM] Kyle Page: eh
[1/26/2013 9:36:21 PM] Kyle Page: if marv is mafia
[1/26/2013 9:36:26 PM] Kyle Page: he deserves to win
[1/26/2013 9:36:30 PM] Kyle Page: tbh
[1/26/2013 9:36:33 PM] Erik: yeah no way he's mafha though
[1/26/2013 9:36:39 PM] Kyle Page: no way
[1/26/2013 9:36:45 PM] Erik: that would mean gonzaw running for mayor stealing his votes
[1/26/2013 9:36:54 PM] Erik: prplhz running for mayor
[1/26/2013 9:37:03 PM] Erik: marv on top running for mayor
[1/26/2013 9:37:08 PM] Erik: and maybe chez
[1/26/2013 9:37:17 PM] Kyle Page: makes no sense IMO
[1/26/2013 9:37:34 PM] Erik: exactly
[1/26/2013 9:39:15 PM] Kyle Page: well anway
[1/26/2013 9:39:20 PM] Kyle Page: im drinking atm
[1/26/2013 9:39:31 PM] Kyle Page: i just awnted to say a few things to you
[1/26/2013 9:39:35 PM] Kyle Page: see where you sat
[1/26/2013 9:40:01 PM] Kyle Page: if vivax comes out with a red check on me lynch him
[1/26/2013 9:40:07 PM] Kyle Page: that's all I have to say about today
[1/26/2013 9:40:15 PM] Erik: ;D
[1/26/2013 9:40:29 PM] Erik: fine, I'll be off now. 4:40 am after all
[1/26/2013 9:40:34 PM] Kyle Page: wewll you can lynch me first if you like
[1/26/2013 9:40:37 PM] Kyle Page: but definitely lynch him for it
[1/26/2013 9:40:42 PM] Kyle Page: see ya later
[8:55:04 AM] Erik: hey there. I'm done with getting all the stuff out of my place. Sorry for not having time to chat the last 2 days
[8:55:16 AM] Erik: If you want to, we can still talk today
[8:55:42 AM] Erik: and you probably look better with chez flipping mason. But keep what I told you about axle to you
[8:56:21 AM] Erik: FT and I are apparently the only ones who know his role and I'm going to make 100% sure he's the medic by masoning him tomorrow and asking him
[8:58:12 AM] Kyle Page: i'm not going to tell anyone about axle, no worries.
[8:58:15 AM] Kyle Page: also
[8:58:17 AM] Kyle Page: check your PMs
[8:58:36 AM] Erik: why
[8:58:45 AM] Erik: why do i need to use the jail on FT?
[8:58:46 AM] Erik: tonight?
[8:59:09 AM] Erik: oh you want me to wait with my jail. Yeah that's what I had in mind
[8:59:17 AM] Kyle Page: think about it
[8:59:20 AM] Kyle Page: 1 mafia left
[8:59:26 AM] Kyle Page: you jail the guy mafia can't shoot
[8:59:35 AM] Kyle Page: he's either confirmed town or confirmed mafia
[8:59:36 AM] Kyle Page: right there
[8:59:38 AM] Erik: yeah
[8:59:39 AM] Erik: well
[8:59:59 AM] Erik: oh you mean when bodyguards are still alive and mafia is down to 1
[9:00:02 AM] Kyle Page: yes
[9:00:07 AM] Erik: yeah that makes sense
[9:00:20 AM] Erik: not sure if I can jail him though, will ask BC
[9:00:26 AM] Kyle Page: I think you can
[9:00:39 AM] Kyle Page: if you can't, oh well. It was just a really good idea I had while working
[9:01:09 AM] Kyle Page: because I am rethinking people's play this game and he's not nearly as great with his reads as I initially thought
[9:01:12 AM] Erik: yeah I think I can as well
[9:01:16 AM] Erik: but I never asked
[9:01:17 AM] Erik: about that
[9:01:42 AM] Erik: well he lynched mafia d1 and he was fine with lynching gonzaw + cchez
[9:01:55 AM] Erik: and gonzaw + prplhz + chez were all running for mayor
[9:02:26 AM] Erik: it's REALLY unlikely that mafia split their votes like that and FT or I (*hurdur*) are mafia as well
[9:03:23 AM] Kyle Page: I don't know how much stock I want to put into that kind of logic at the moment, I'd rather not just put him aside as "town" and ignore it like I have been
[9:03:33 AM] Kyle Page: He was on the wrong side of gonzaw/Oats
[9:03:40 AM] Kyle Page: completely wrong about BKE
[9:03:42 AM] Kyle Page: idk
[9:03:58 AM] Erik: he hasn't been wrong about gonzaw oats
[9:04:09 AM] Erik: it was just about who gets lynched first
[9:04:20 AM] Erik: like I wanted to have oats lynched d1 instead of prplhz
[9:04:32 AM] Erik: when I was pretty certain both are mafia at that point in time
[9:04:36 AM] Kyle Page: Oats hasn't even been on his mafia radar since then, though
[9:05:05 AM] Erik: if you read our posts from that time it becomes pretty clear that all of WBG / Marv / myself thought 2 or 3 out of gonzaw / oats / BKE / chez are mafia and it was just about who gets lynched first
[9:05:22 AM] Erik: yeah he might be back on the radar
[9:05:25 AM] Erik: not sure
[9:05:33 AM] Kyle Page: yeah but he was the only one of you guys to pick Oats
[9:05:33 AM] Erik: I'm going to look into him
[9:05:40 AM] Kyle Page: you and Bugs picked gonzaw
[9:05:43 AM] Erik: yeah I guess
[9:05:49 AM] Erik: bugs and I picked chez / BKE
[9:05:58 AM] Erik: we ended up picking gonzaw once the red check came in
[9:06:03 AM] Kyle Page: that's true
[9:06:09 AM] Kyle Page: but you both said Oats was townier
[9:06:12 AM] Kyle Page: I remember that
[9:06:14 AM] Kyle Page: just as I did
[9:06:21 AM] Kyle Page: I argued with Marv is mason chat about it
[9:06:23 AM] Erik: yeah, we both said oats was the worst out of the 4 by a lot
[9:06:55 AM] Erik: because there was no reason to risk lynching into him when out of 4 probably only 2 or 3 are mafias according to our reads and he's the bodyguard
[9:07:07 AM] Erik: with BKE flipping town he could be back on the radar though
[9:07:10 AM] Kyle Page: idk
[9:07:17 AM] Erik: he's by no means confirmed town to me
[9:07:26 AM] Erik: but it looks odd with gonzaws red flip
[9:07:33 AM] Erik: because gonzaw was pushing oats, wasn't he?
[9:07:37 AM] Kyle Page: Marv admitted himself that he "picked the wrong one" out of gonzaw/Oats after the flip.
[9:07:46 AM] Kyle Page: that means he saw it as one or ther other before the check
[9:07:50 AM] Kyle Page: just as I did
[9:08:00 AM] Erik: yeah
[9:08:09 AM] Erik: and on top of that gonzaws filter is / was a goldmine
[9:08:13 AM] Kyle Page: I don't know why I reached a conclusion Marv did not
[9:08:22 AM] Erik: because as mentioned there's a lot of people who look way better with gonzaw flipping red
[9:08:28 AM] Erik: if you look at what he has been pushing d1
[9:08:36 AM] Kyle Page: Oats
[9:08:40 AM] Kyle Page: Stutters?
[9:08:42 AM] Kyle Page: I think
[9:08:45 AM] Erik: yeah
[9:08:52 AM] Kyle Page: and JX at some point
[9:08:54 AM] Kyle Page: I believe
[9:09:00 AM] Erik: that's the only reason I'm okay with stutters to be honest
[9:09:06 AM] Kyle Page: Eh
[9:09:08 AM] Kyle Page: you were in Yan
[9:09:12 AM] Kyle Page: this is how he plays
[9:09:15 AM] Erik: i know
[9:09:21 AM] Erik: but I have no idea if he's town or mafia
[9:09:37 AM] Erik: I'm leaning town, slightly
[9:09:44 AM] Erik: but not more than that
[9:09:50 AM] Kyle Page: I'd rather not lynch him unless he does something scummy
[9:09:54 AM] Erik: yeah
[9:09:56 AM] Erik: agree
[9:10:00 AM] Kyle Page: I don't think he's a good enough mafia player not to do that
[9:10:16 AM] Erik: I still don't know what to do with vivax..
[9:10:24 AM] Erik: I think lynching him tomorrow would be retarded
[9:11:33 AM] Erik: still we might have to lynch him later on
[9:11:33 AM] Kyle Page: when I looked at his past town games
[9:11:35 AM] Kyle Page: honestly
[9:11:43 AM] Kyle Page: he plays a lot like hismelf even as mafia
[9:11:49 AM] Erik: he's kind of stupid
[9:11:51 AM] Erik: which makes it hard
[9:12:08 AM] Erik: and I'm not usually saying that kind of stuff
[9:12:21 AM] Erik: when I say "bad" or "stupid" I usually mean weird
[9:12:28 AM] Erik: but when talking about vivax it's stupid like stupid
[9:12:33 AM] Kyle Page: haha
[9:12:35 AM] Kyle Page: well
[9:12:38 AM] Kyle Page: if he's town
[9:12:44 AM] Kyle Page: he can't read me to save his life
[9:12:52 AM] Erik: i mean he's a DT
[9:13:02 AM] Erik: we already had a hatter flip
[9:13:11 AM] Erik: annul claimed another hatter (which is weird to me)
[9:13:17 AM] Erik: we had bugs being a DT
[9:13:25 AM] Erik: we have a medic in 99% of the cases
[9:13:32 AM] Erik: and a shitton of masons
[9:13:36 AM] Kyle Page: I said in the thread that their two claims look terrible after the third cycle flips
[9:13:49 AM] Erik: yeah
[9:13:51 AM] Kyle Page: Ft only one who resisted me
[9:13:58 AM] Kyle Page: besides annul of course
[9:14:05 AM] Kyle Page: but he's Vivax-lite at the moment
[9:14:31 AM] Erik: I wouldn't go as far as to say it makes them look terrible, but it's questionable
[9:14:55 AM] Erik: "worst" case scenrio one claim is a fake, "best" case both are true imo
[9:15:13 AM] Erik: I just still don't understand why vivax would check bugs out of all people
[9:15:20 AM] Kyle Page: makes no fucking sense lol
[9:15:30 AM] Erik: I called protection on bugs for a reason
[9:15:40 AM] Erik: mafia doublestacked him, pretty certainly
[9:15:44 AM] Erik: and vivax checks him..
[9:15:45 AM] Kyle Page: this was the towniest I have ever seen bugs
[9:15:53 AM] Erik: exactly
[9:16:05 AM] Erik: even when he was flaming annul
[9:16:13 AM] Erik: not pro-town at all, but bugs-town
[9:16:14 AM] Kyle Page: annul deserved it
[9:16:23 AM] Erik: well bugs overdid it
[9:16:30 AM] Erik: no reason to ruin someones game
[9:16:36 AM] Kyle Page: yeah I suppos
[9:16:41 AM] Erik: no matter if annul is town or mafia
[9:18:59 AM] Erik: I like this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&currentpage=165#3291
[9:19:02 AM] Erik: pretty much agree with it
[9:19:27 AM] Erik: I would be going after mocsta if he wasn't mason though
[9:19:42 AM] Kyle Page: I don't think he's mafia at all
[9:19:59 AM] Erik: mocsta hasn't really done a thing
[9:20:01 AM] Kyle Page: his 1 mafia game I was on him day 1 in obs
[9:20:13 AM] Erik: except for defening people (mostly me from vivax if I remember correctly)
[9:20:27 AM] Kyle Page: what is he actually going to do in this town?
[9:20:33 AM] Kyle Page: it's like me
[9:20:38 AM] Kyle Page: I have my good ideas occasionally
[9:20:55 AM] Erik: yeah I guess it's pretty dominated by what FT, bugs and I say
[9:20:56 AM] Kyle Page: but there are way too many good towns thinking for mocsta to come up with something original, lol
[9:21:14 AM] Erik: and Sandro d1 but he kept everything he said in the masonchat with me^^
[9:21:26 AM] Kyle Page: that was a good idea of him tbh
[9:21:34 AM] Kyle Page: kep t all of town from becoming a sheep fest
[9:21:35 AM] Erik: yeah
[9:21:44 AM] Erik: and he was really certain I'm town
[9:21:52 AM] Erik: because I masoned him 10 seconds into d1
[9:22:00 AM] Kyle Page: I'll say this
[9:22:11 AM] Kyle Page: either you have balls of steel, or you're town
[9:22:17 AM] Erik: thought I wouldn't have the balls to do that as mafia and he knew that I could be talking for him in the thread
[9:22:26 AM] Erik: I have balls of steel but I am town
[9:22:45 AM] Erik: I got the best play 2012 award for a game as mafia after all
[9:22:58 AM] Kyle Page: haha I guess I didn't read into that
[9:23:11 AM] Kyle Page: well if you're mafia this game it's either with debears or FT
[9:23:16 AM] Kyle Page: I highly doubt it would be with FT
[9:23:24 AM] Erik: i mean ft would be retarded
[9:23:32 AM] Erik: that would mean EVERYONE running for mayor was mafia ;D
[9:23:45 AM] Kyle Page: except vivax
[9:23:47 AM] Erik: and I'd say it's pretty likely that both FT and I are town
[9:23:54 AM] Erik: vivax didn't really run
[9:24:01 AM] Kyle Page: that's what I said at the time
[9:24:13 AM] Kyle Page: but people had townreads on him for running
[9:24:20 AM] Erik: I made him run later on with my "what about making an idiot become sheriff" later on
[9:24:24 AM] Erik: well yeah
[9:24:38 AM] Kyle Page: one person I do kinda want to kill is austin
[9:24:39 AM] Erik: same reason I have my townread on grush
[9:24:47 AM] Erik: austin is an option
[9:24:48 AM] Kyle Page: isn't he actually useful as town?
[9:24:49 AM] Erik: for sure
[9:24:51 AM] Erik: yeah
[9:24:58 AM] Kyle Page: he's done NOTHING
[9:25:01 AM] Kyle Page: less than me
[9:25:08 AM] Erik: I even mentioned him along all other vets as a potential vote candidate
[9:25:09 AM] Erik: wait
[9:25:14 AM] Erik: didn't gonzaw vote austin?
[9:25:18 AM] Erik: instead of me?
[9:25:18 AM] Kyle Page: check time
[9:25:22 AM] Erik: pretty sure he did
[9:25:25 AM] Erik: or at least mention it
[9:25:36 AM] Erik: he didn't vote
[9:25:52 AM] Erik: he had his vote on him until 3 minutes prior to deadline but he DID say he wants austin instead of me
[9:26:21 AM] Kyle Page: yeah but look at the vost distribution
[9:26:28 AM] Kyle Page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394305&currentpage=3#42
[9:26:48 AM] Kyle Page: makes no sense for both of them to be mafia when one of them could have been elected if they consolidated at all
[9:27:04 AM] Erik: well we both agree axle is town
[9:27:07 AM] Erik: so no influence on that
[9:27:20 AM] Erik: sandro was as well
[9:27:21 AM] Kyle Page: also looks at Chez's three votes there
[9:27:28 AM] Kyle Page: below the count
[9:27:31 AM] Kyle Page: firs he votes BKE
[9:27:32 AM] Erik: they could have gotten one of them to 4, which woul not have been enough
[9:27:38 AM] Kyle Page: wait
[9:27:41 AM] Kyle Page: first he votes AUSTIN
[9:27:41 AM] Erik: oh yeah chez..
[9:27:44 AM] Kyle Page: then BKE
[9:27:46 AM] Kyle Page: then Gonzaw
[9:27:53 AM] Kyle Page: looks like a mixup
[9:28:03 AM] Kyle Page: all within 1 minute
[9:28:09 AM] Erik: no idea to be honest
[9:29:35 AM] Kyle Page: hm
[9:32:32 AM] Kyle Page: austin defended prplhz a lot day 1
[9:32:36 AM] Kyle Page: like
[9:32:43 AM] Kyle Page: a metric fuckton
[9:32:52 AM] Kyle Page: go through his filter eith cntrl+f on prplhz
[9:33:07 AM] Kyle Page: it's goddamn everywhere
[9:33:58 AM] Kyle Page: holy shit
[9:34:01 AM] Kyle Page: dude he's mafia
[9:34:05 AM] Kyle Page: he's fucking mafia
[9:34:17 AM] Erik: told ya
[9:34:18 AM] Kyle Page: no one goes this hard defending someone day 1
[9:34:35 AM] Kyle Page: holy shit
[9:38:22 AM] Kyle Page: Also he calls gonzaw town the whole damn game
[9:40:21 AM] Kyle Page: after the day post I'm going after austin if I'm still alive
[9:40:33 AM] Kyle Page: you should, too
[9:40:43 AM] Erik: yeah
[9:40:50 AM] Erik: posted something in the thread
[9:40:53 AM] Kyle Page: looking through his filter, I think he's mafia from the association betwen them
[9:58:42 AM] Erik: I guess austin doesn't make a whole lot of sense balancewise
[9:58:51 AM] Erik: and we should start lynching into guys like mkfuba first
[10:01:15 AM] Kyle Page: holy shit that delurk
[10:01:16 AM] Kyle Page: what the fuck
[10:08:03 AM] Erik: "I'd" can mean both I would and I could, right?
[10:08:16 AM] Kyle Page: no
[10:08:20 AM] Kyle Page: it always means I would
[10:08:42 AM] Erik: does this sound weird in english?
[10:08:43 AM] Erik: (2) shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him and it was unlikely I'd save him before the end of D2.
[10:08:51 AM] Kyle Page: yes
[10:08:53 AM] Erik: it does when I think about it in german
[10:09:26 AM] Erik: that I would looks so odd in that place
[10:09:27 AM] Kyle Page: he messes up his tenses
[10:09:43 AM] Erik: but I don't know how to phrase it correctly
[10:10:36 AM] Kyle Page: "shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him THAT it was unlike I would BE ABLE TO save him before the end of day 2
[10:12:50 AM] Kyle Page: The fact that he's considered the possibility of people thinking him mafia means he's paranoid
[10:13:00 AM] Kyle Page: I caught Gonzaw the same way
[10:13:31 AM] Kyle Page: He just admitted there it was a prepared response
[10:13:33 AM] Kyle Page: idk
[10:13:39 AM] Kyle Page: I don't like people who do this shit lol
[10:14:03 AM] Kyle Page: lurk, and only post to defend themselves lategame with WIFOM bombs about shit they did early
[10:14:35 AM] Erik: yeah but again, balancewise it really doesn't make sense for him to be mafia...
[10:14:43 AM] Erik: If I only knew if BC balances his games like that
[10:15:01 AM] Erik: most people do but there's people like kita who just don't do that at all
[10:15:36 AM] Kyle Page: i've never cared for balance arguments anyway
[10:15:51 AM] Kyle Page: it's too subjective of someone's opinion of a player's skill
[10:16:14 AM] Erik: well yeah
[10:16:25 AM] Erik: but FT / sandro / bugs being mafia wuld have been bullshit
[10:16:31 AM] Erik: *would
[10:16:41 AM] Kyle Page: lol yeah
[10:16:47 AM] Kyle Page: I think you can do stuff to avoid that
[10:16:54 AM] Kyle Page: for sure
[10:17:14 AM] Erik: I usually just roll random and if it looks awful reroll completly
[10:17:22 AM] Kyle Page: haha
[10:17:36 AM] Erik: that's what I did in SSB for example
[10:17:46 AM] Erik: because SSB is something you can't really random because it's way to weird
[10:17:58 AM] Erik: so I ended up rerolling 5 times and the 5th time it was decent
[10:18:16 AM] Erik: if you just assign roles / players so that it fits people can read the set-up
[10:19:43 AM] Kyle Page: yeah
[10:19:46 AM] Kyle Page: like making marv GF
[10:19:52 AM] Kyle Page: in any game
[10:19:53 AM] Kyle Page: ever
[10:32:54 AM] Kyle Page: he already posted his thoughts on the roles and shit
[10:34:08 AM] Kyle Page: I'm going to make him take a stance on this
[10:34:13 AM] Kyle Page: he's waflled a lot since d1
[10:45:35 AM] Kyle Page: Oats ia blue rofl
[10:45:41 AM] Kyle Page: wonder what he is
[10:45:50 AM] Kyle Page: maybe another vet haha
[10:45:54 AM] Erik: ?
[10:46:09 AM] Kyle Page: his reaction was the same as yours
[10:46:22 AM] Erik: so?
[10:46:34 AM] Erik: he knows that massclaim isn't the way to go right now
[10:46:48 AM] Kyle Page: I thought it was obvious I was joking
[10:46:52 AM] Kyle Page: but you both took it seriously
[10:47:13 AM] Erik: yeah it was obvious but not to everyone
[10:47:24 AM] Erik: there might be more people like vivax out there
[10:47:31 AM] Erik: who are like "well okay, here's my claim"..
[10:49:11 AM] Kyle Page: i suppose
[10:49:21 AM] Kyle Page: but his reaction reads to me like an indirect claim
[10:49:27 AM] Kyle Page: like he would be outed if this happened
[10:49:29 AM] Kyle Page: idk
[11:27:55 AM] Kyle Page: fucking marv/austin scum team
[11:27:57 AM] Kyle Page: makes too much sense
[11:28:09 AM] Erik: doubt it
[11:28:17 AM] Kyle Page: we'll see
[11:28:25 AM] Kyle Page: right now this is weak shit coming from him
[11:28:30 AM] Erik: no reason to get paranoid right now
[11:28:50 AM] Erik: gonzaw also said he was willing to lynch austin early on
[11:28:53 AM] Erik: according to bugs
[11:41:45 AM] Kyle Page: you know what's going to happen
[11:41:50 AM] Kyle Page: if marv is mafia
[11:42:01 AM] Kyle Page: he's going to call austin scum and then push for a different lynch
[11:42:09 AM] Kyle Page: if he's town he'll agree to this lynch

And push for his lynch.