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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On January 22 2013 04:58 DearestSnot wrote: and you agree that prplhz coming in to post once and then disappearing is out of character for him, yeah? Sure, but a lot of his stuff seems genuine. I'd like to give him more time. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On January 22 2013 05:00 DearestSnot wrote: How do we know that FT is Palmar? Well it looks like palmar, smells like palmar, walks and talks like palmar =P | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On January 22 2013 04:58 Stutters695 wrote: I voted toad because his style seems much easier to read than yours, chezinus, or palmars to me. I even was doubting Palmar after the d1 lynch, and I had a scumread on you that was wrong almost the entire game. Toads style feels much more like my own and I think that will help us analyze why he would do whatever he does after becoming mayor. why are you sure ft is palmar? | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
It's either Palmar or syllo :p and syllo hasn't played recently afaik. JieXian is not around because he went to sleep (he's from Malaysia from what I remember). What do you make of him taking the stance against Austin's opinion of stutters? He chose to post these: On January 22 2013 02:51 JieXian wrote: Getting modkilled time and time again is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia I mean I'm not saying he's confirmed townie because I can't read anything from him an he's still null for me, I'm pointing out how you're refuting your own case on him. i.e. I think your case is bad Vivax Please don't lie to yourself. You got mad and OMGUSed me after I said I agreed with gonzaw. Please don't act all high and mighty that you made some well calculated moves. Seriously just think a little longer before posting. I still don't notice any difference in you from our first newbie game. I'm seriously considering Toad's idea to vote you in as sherrif but I'm a bit worried because other people seem to think you're not a complete OK I think this is important for everyone: Can someone please convince me that Vivax isn't a complete noob at mafia? Someone mentioned it earlier On January 22 2013 02:43 JieXian wrote: Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote: He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. When as scum I would expect him to not care about what Austin was saying about stutters. Only a handful of players chose to comment on this stuff, and I saw them all as town. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
austin seems likely town as well, and posts his thought process and explanations, and he'd be a good player to have protection from BGs as well, wouldn't mind him being sheriff either. Wouldn't mind Toad being sheriff either, but yeah those successive votes on him seem weird. I'm surprised Clarity hasn't shown up at all. Must be an IRL issue I take it, he wouldn't lurk this bad even as scum. If Fivetouch is to be mayor, I'd like him to tell us exactly what makes prplhz more likely to be scum than Oats. Some of the reasoning behind his prplhz case seems like grasping at straws. The "he was against policy lynches before and now he wanted to 'policy lynch' chezinu" is not alignment indicative in my mind, few townies have the same exact thoughts in every game. I know I changed my mind about lots of things in different games, and I wouldn't expect that to be used either for or against me. Although it's true prplhz hasn't done much though. I don't know why he wants to vote me since the game started, but hasn't even voted me nor really shown. prplhz hasn't done much in contributing and seemed to be defending himself more, but for me his lynch right now is like a shot in the dark mostly because of that. I can see him flipping town, if he has to spend time defending himself instead of contributing. Oats has posted more than him, and has contributed less in my mind. His attitude does not show a town mentality. He spends most of his time discrediting people in a needless aggressive way. He also OMGUSed me back there for like no reason at all, I'll have to check that again. I'd be happy with Five being mayor if he lynched Oats (likely what I'd do if I was mayor), and of course spends the rest of the game leading town, posting his thought process, being open/transparent, etc. I'll have to check again some of the stuff said about Stutters, but he can easily be scum as well. Dunno if I'd lynch him before Oats though, but if both are scum it doesn't really matter, but I'm leaning on lynching Oats this D1. I'll respond to questions I've skimmed later. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On January 22 2013 05:00 DearestSnot wrote: How do we know that FT is Palmar? I don't think it's confirmed but someone posted about him saying something that sounded like a Palmar post. My point still stands though with a smurf I'm not entirely comfortable since we know so little about them. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote: @ gonzaw There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer. I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me. Care to point out the ones I haven't indirectly responded yet? (like the "oh who would you lynch bla bla bal?" ones). On January 21 2013 17:24 Mocsta wrote: Gonzaw Im very close to handing you my vote for Mayor. Overall I like the vibe I get when reading your filter. I think your approach has been reasonable, I don't agree with everything but that is also to be expected. Before I hand over my vote, I would like to know "Out of the current candidates with a fighting chance, who would be your choice for Sheriff?" (& why) austin and Toad, and me obviously. Like some have said, the sheriff role seems perfect for people we want to protect and are likely town and scum would want to kill them (at least after I read that when skimming the thread  )I'm feeling confident in Toad being town, and austin seems likely town as well. The way they drive discussion and post their suspicions is "good for town" as well, in the sense that it creates a good town atmosphere and the like and all that shit (in contrast with what Vivax is doing for instance). I prefer having that kind of play around and not being able to be killed by scum, because that's the kind of play scum usually want to kill early (I doubt scum will kill Vivax soon, even if he's town). I guess I wouldn't mind maybe wbg in that position, seems active in discussions and driving town forward, but I'm not confident in reading him correctly right now, although leaning town. On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok After reading what I think are the major candidates filter, Im ignoring campaign posts cause pregame writeups and stuff are non alignment indicative Gonzaw: Posts irrelevent stuff about coming back to the thread I dont see the point as town, as scum, you look like you are gonna do stuff but if no one calls you out for it, easy stuff to do. And this, as far as I can remember, nothing changed between and I would say trolling with your votes and reads is a scum read because it shows that you dont really care about who gets voted and you dont really care about who is scum, but apparently Gonzaw doesnt think so I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1 Ok on to FiveTouch, He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads. And Chezinu, Ok I have never played with him before and only know him by reputation and not much at that. He needs to make some sense, all his posts have been 1 liners and flighty comments about how his playstyle will change if he is mayor, non alignment indicative. I, however, think that if Chezinu is scum, he would put more effort into campaigning because it seems like he is getting some support but not capitalizing on it Are you serious Oats? You cast doubt on me, only to conclude with "yeah so, like I've posted lots of things that make me suspicious of gonzaw, but I don't think he's scum!". Why the hell would you do that other than just needlessly discrediting me, and also a blatant OMGUS? I dont see the point as town, as scum, you look like you are gonna do stuff but if no one calls you out for it, easy stuff to do. I'm just being transparent that's all. This thread seems to be moving fast, so by the time I start reading it to the time I have something to post it can pass 1 hour or so. It also indicates that I'm here reading if someone wants to ask me a question or if something happens I can provide a little snip about. I would say trolling with your votes and reads is a scum read because it shows that you dont really care about who gets voted and you dont really care about who is scum, but apparently Gonzaw doesnt think so Dunno what that has to do with me "leaning red". Yes, trolling indicates that you don't give much of a shit about the game, but in the case of some players that's not necessarily a scum treat, since those guys seem to play like that as town as well for shits and giggles or something. But what does this have to do with anything? You start seemingly accusing me of being scum because of me pointing out I'm reading shit, then you come up with this stuff that's unrelated to my alignment, and then you say you don't even think I'm scum, even though that seems like what the purpose of your post was. You OMGUS me, then you retract it....for what purpose? I don't see town motivation behind that either | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I'm unsure about mokuba. His posts seem like the quintessential noob post, with just mildly talking about stuff, not being engaged in anything or taking any strong stance, and heavily use of smileys. But meh...I'm not sure. His posts don't scream scum nor town, he's just blending in like a newbie (town or scum). | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
wbg, sandro, you there? Also, Five is Palmar? My gut kind of tells me he isn't, he's not in your face enough. Seems more likely to be syllo to me...or maybe it's Fourface trying to fool us all | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 22 2013 05:33 gonzaw wrote: I'll have to reread Jiexian too, haven't really got any "super town vibes" from his posts so far, even if he seemed to be sporadically posting. I'm unsure about mokuba. His posts seem like the quintessential noob post, with just mildly talking about stuff, not being engaged in anything or taking any strong stance, and heavily use of smileys. But meh...I'm not sure. His posts don't scream scum nor town, he's just blending in like a newbie (town or scum). Your two posts before that could have been condensed like this one was, but instead you go on for a page or so about stuff that either you have already mentioned, or can be summarized much more succinctly and easily. Your opinions aren't much more than direct readings from the players' posts, so I don't understand what kind of response you expect. Or, they're talk about how you need to reread their posts. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Gonzaw vote me! You know it's the right thing to do :p | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
Did you know that if you vote for me, you won't get modkilled! | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2013 05:45 Toadesstern wrote: I will assume you're signaling your Captain Planet buddies and accuse you of being scum, based on historical evidence.what if I post something that makes me almost certainly town for everyone and also a damn good candidate for being sheriff. Should I do that and would people be voting me if I did it? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 22 2013 05:39 DearestSnot wrote: Your opinions aren't much more than direct readings from the players' posts, so I don't understand what kind of response you expect. Or, they're talk about how you need to reread their posts. Dunno, I expected anything basically, maybe not even related to what I posted but in response to somebody else, etc. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 22 2013 05:50 gonzaw wrote: Dunno, I expected anything basically, maybe not even related to what I posted but in response to somebody else, etc. I don't want to discourage you and I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with what you are doing, there's just nothing much to respond to when your reads aren't much more than direct readings of players's posts. It's good that you are reading, but you don't have to comment on every little thing. I personally think it's far more fruitful to actually substantiate reads with concrete reasoning. For example, why do you have the feeling that prplhz is town? Sure, everyone has that "feeling" that a player might just be town, having a bad game, whatever, based on past games or preconceived notions of play or whatever, really. Those are simply opinions, and everyone has them. Opinions can be wrong. If you have facts and actual evidence to substantiate your opinions, then people are more likely to put weight behind them. Otherwise, it's just another subjective opinion that has no more weight than the opinion of anyone else. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2013 04:58 Stutters695 wrote: I voted toad because his style seems much easier to read than yours, chezinus, or palmars to me. I even was doubting Palmar after the d1 lynch, and I had a scumread on you that was wrong almost the entire game. Toads style feels much more like my own and I think that will help us analyze why he would do whatever he does after becoming mayor. Stutters, this post. Are you basing your mayoral vote on...who is easiest to read? Also, I'm concerned about the "Toad's style feels like my own" --> "that will help us analyze what he does" bit. A lot of your defense to my suspicions of you revolved around people not reading you properly or you always getting called out/suspected for certain things. On January 22 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote: If you think that you play a poor D1, and think that people attack you for stuff you do every game, then why would you want a mayor whose play you find similar to yours? If people actually suspect you every game, doesn't that indicate that you're easy to misread, and that a player similar to you as mayor would NOT be easy to analyze?Well I was reading in order, didn't see Austin's more recent posts. 1) I get accused of that every game. Falls back to the I suck d1 stuff. Up to you if you believe it, but it happened in YANMM and Whose Line. 2) Weird if you're experienced maybe, but to me I wasn't sure how often a mayor mislynch happens because the first posts in that matter made it seem like an eventuality rather than a possibility. My thinking was that people probably have discussed this in past games and it still resulted in a mayor mislynch. Thus I was asking if using the mayor to force reads out of someone hard to read makes sense. I felt Toad answered it well in the ensuing discussion so I felt no.need to follow it up. 3) You said in the previous post I quoted that I keep the thread informed and come back with actual thoughts. That's true sometimes, but I don't always see something to immediately follow up on. This happened in pretty much every game I play. Again people have attacked me for this. 4)I have a detailed post on this in YANMM but I believe that full disclosure (unless there is some gambit like Proms in the same game) is the best course of action. So when you ask me something and I say "yes, but" you're going to hear why I did it. You may think the reason for a particular instance may be scummy but over the course of the game it will show a clear town mindset and show how I reasoned whatever conclusion I come to. | ||
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