EPTOn January 22 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote:
It's simple austin, cause I don't trust you. I'd rather have a troll have the seat than someone who might be scum.
Alright, but you became remarkably inconsistent.It's simple austin, cause I don't trust you. I'd rather have a troll have the seat than someone who might be scum.
On January 22 2013 06:24 Vivax wrote:
Cause town could simply admit to have made a mistake. JX is clearly afraid of looking bad to the point that he makes up shit.
Cause town could simply admit to have made a mistake. JX is clearly afraid of looking bad to the point that he makes up shit.
On January 21 2013 11:27 austinmcc wrote:
#readingcomprehension
I don't has it.
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On January 21 2013 11:22 sandroba wrote:
Man, he is not suggesting toad is jester in this game at all, he is talking about the previous 6 man game they played together.
On January 21 2013 11:18 austinmcc wrote:
On January 21 2013 11:14 sandroba wrote:
Yes i dissagree. 1st point is often advised to new mafia players to do. 2nd point you are actually crazy and don't know what you are saying. He is talking about toad in another game, so it's completely irrelevant to this one. 3rd point if anyone was reading the pregame banter, that's actually a completely useless and obvious thing to point out.
Okay, fair enough. And yes, that's true for the third point. But he felt the need to go to some other game and grab a quote from there instead of any of the 25 odd pregame posts. I just don't share your read on that post. The second point was just that I overvalue paranoia as a townie, and so when he suggested toad was a jester in a game where we have all the roles in the OP, I just read that as mildly townie paranoia about roles/setupOn January 21 2013 11:08 austinmcc wrote:
Sand,
You found JX scummy for his early post:+ Show Spoiler +
I actually found that post kind of townie:
You disagree with that in the entirety? Or just still find that post scummy overall?
Sand,
You found JX scummy for his early post:+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:
Axle you're not being coherent at all >_>
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Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes.
From a Newbie game
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I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.
How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes?
##Vote: gonzaw for mayor
And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it.
Axle you're not being coherent at all >_>
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On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote:
These look like actual questions.
Answering backwards order cos its easier.
Why Vote chez
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Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard.
His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see.
Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show.
The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better?
As a feel read approach to why the vote...
I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once.
regarding my pregame posts.
There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..?
its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense
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me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed.
Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information.
I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them.
In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...)
Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town.
And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game.
Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house.
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On January 20 2013 14:18 gonzaw wrote:
Axle, in pre-game did you want to be mayor or not? I never fully understood that.
Why would you vote Chezinu before any other guys? Is it just his "Imma be serious" claim?
Axle, in pre-game did you want to be mayor or not? I never fully understood that.
Why would you vote Chezinu before any other guys? Is it just his "Imma be serious" claim?
These look like actual questions.
Answering backwards order cos its easier.
Why Vote chez
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Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard.
His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see.
Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show.
The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better?
As a feel read approach to why the vote...
I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once.
regarding my pregame posts.
There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..?
its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense
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me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed.
Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information.
I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them.
In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...)
Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town.
And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game.
Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house.
Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes.
From a Newbie game
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On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote:
Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753
it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep
that unless I find my own evidence.
If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it
whatever weight it is due.
I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting
properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly
feeling something was wrong.
Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in
the other big puddle. The quiet people.
Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed.
As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role
you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team.
As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no
evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa
before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall.
So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.??
An association case. Arnarnion and Oats.
In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different
pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time
to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo
They will also want to pick off the two blue roles.
Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of,
Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town)
The question is which?
Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753
it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep
that unless I find my own evidence.
If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it
whatever weight it is due.
I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting
properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly
feeling something was wrong.
Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in
the other big puddle. The quiet people.
Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed.
As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role
you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team.
As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no
evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa
before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall.
So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.??
An association case. Arnarnion and Oats.
In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different
pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time
to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo
They will also want to pick off the two blue roles.
Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of,
Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town)
The question is which?
I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.
How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes?
##Vote: gonzaw for mayor
And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it.
[B]On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all.
I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all.
I actually found that post kind of townie:
[B]On January 21 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote:
As to JieXian himself, I'm ... not scummy atm. Por queeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
Because he's got ONE post really (his chezinu comment doesn't count) *snipped**
Look at that post.
Things that I like in that post, although small:
Sandro's pointed out reasons he found that post scummy, but I actually find the "irrelevant comments" that Sandro DISLIKES to be things that I get a mild town read off of.
As to JieXian himself, I'm ... not scummy atm. Por queeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
Because he's got ONE post really (his chezinu comment doesn't count) *snipped**
Look at that post.
Things that I like in that post, although small:
- he asks how to vote for mayor/lynch, in thread. If he were scum, could have asked in QT (Yes, it's an easy thing for scum to do, but it's still slightly townie)
- similarly, I find silly paranoia to be townie, like toad being a possible jester (again, can be faked)
- actually did a small amount of work, went to another game, found a weird axle post
Sandro's pointed out reasons he found that post scummy, but I actually find the "irrelevant comments" that Sandro DISLIKES to be things that I get a mild town read off of.
You disagree with that in the entirety? Or just still find that post scummy overall?
Yes i dissagree. 1st point is often advised to new mafia players to do. 2nd point you are actually crazy and don't know what you are saying. He is talking about toad in another game, so it's completely irrelevant to this one. 3rd point if anyone was reading the pregame banter, that's actually a completely useless and obvious thing to point out.
Man, he is not suggesting toad is jester in this game at all, he is talking about the previous 6 man game they played together.
#readingcomprehension
I don't has it.
If you don't trust me, I don't think you're properly reading my play, but your read is your read. However, I'm confused both by you being anti-Chezinu all game and now being okay voting him, AS WELL AS this comment. If it's townie to admit a mistake, and one of your main gripes with me is me picking out that jester thing from JX's early post, which I later noted WAS a mistake, then...that should be townie in your eyes?
I'm just not finding these trains of thought to be consistent. Either you wouldn't actually find someone townie when they admit a mistake, or you've got some sort of extra criteria that you aren't telling us/aware of (which could potentially just be "how does this person feel about JX?").
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