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On January 22 2013 07:04 Toadesstern wrote:
gonzaw vote me now :p
I'll see if I get some votes first. I prefer you over austin though, so if it comes down to it I'll change my vote to you.
Skimmed JieXian's filter but didn't find anything. He participates in discussions and the like, don't really see him as scum now.
I don't know wtf Vivax is on, try to keep a cool head dude, and analyze behaviours and contributions, not petty shit like someone saying you were in the US and then saying you weren't; and stop overreacting if you are town.
I'm going to see a movie now, will still skim the thread.
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On January 22 2013 06:46 Vivax wrote:
You all (debears, mkfuba, austin) must be really super-convinced that austin and JX are town if you flak me like that for a tentative scum read.
What exactly do you want me to do? Isn't it electing austin? To lynch whom? Stutters for playing like I know him from D1? No thanks.
Look, I find people suspicious who shovelled shit at me for my absence.
I find people super suspicious who instead of posting their reasoning about it (like gonzaw did=semi-admitting that it wasn't a good point and in the end null cause I was sleeping)
write that they had a reason to do so cause of some outer reason that has nothing to do with their thinking (the US tag), which then turns out to be wrong.
When called out for it, they don't answer.
Tell me, wouldn't you suspect scum behind it? You seem to be really convinced that he is town.
I'm not "flakking" you. I didn't understand what you're actually saying. Like, it struck me as strange that he said your tag was US when you had no tag, but he immediately corrected that mistake. I then considered if that made him scummy. I decided it didn't. You are saying that he didn't call attention to his mistake, which he (somewhat) did by editing what he said. So either you think he's scum for something that didn't happen, or I misunderstood the situation. I think I understand you now, so I'm gonna wait and see how JX responds.
But don't put words in my mouth and expect me to take it. I said nothing about JX being town. I said I didn't see how your issues with him made him scum.
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On January 22 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:09 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote? ? The hammer is my penis. The wank-fiend is Annul
It's encouraging that you're bringing annul up, on my read through this evening he came up as quite possibly mafia to me. He focuses in on Vivax, who is remarkably easy to attack as either alignment. He's done this at the expense of anything else, despite complaining that he's being ignored.
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Toad. Tell me why I shouldn't be worried about your coy/cryptic question when you were so willing to out your role in LV in order to be mayor.
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If you don't think JX is town, then maybe you should let him respond to my argument by himself.
Good that you bring up annul, FT. Would you deem him lynch worthy?
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On January 22 2013 07:20 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:09 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote? ? The hammer is my penis. The wank-fiend is Annul It's encouraging that you're bringing annul up, on my read through this evening he came up as quite possibly mafia to me. He focuses in on Vivax, who is remarkably easy to attack as either alignment. He's done this at the expense of anything else, despite complaining that he's being ignored. I can't help but interpret "it's encouraging that..." as the verbal equivalent of petting a cat or dog for a successful trick. Can't figure out how I feel about that, except that I like the image.
Annul's just kind of an anomaly at this point. He IS focused on vivax/toad and, to a lesser extent, axle's posting. He's got more than a page of filter, way more than other players who have been inactive, but it's mostly forgettable. I'm always surprised to see that there's a next page for him. That said, I'm not even sure I'm at "quite possibly mafia" on him. I don't know him or his play well, but if he's scum then his lack of presence on D1 in a mayoral game feels off. I'd expect him to be trying to get SOME kind of control over things, unless all of the candidates are equally meh.
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But actually, I asked for your opinion about that. I'll follow gonzaws advice and take a look at things with a cooler head.
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On January 22 2013 07:27 Vivax wrote:
If you don't think JX is town, then maybe you should let him respond to my argument by himself.
Good that you bring up annul, FT. Would you deem him lynch worthy?
Exactly what I said.
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On January 22 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:20 FiveTouch wrote:On January 22 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:09 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote? ? The hammer is my penis. The wank-fiend is Annul It's encouraging that you're bringing annul up, on my read through this evening he came up as quite possibly mafia to me. He focuses in on Vivax, who is remarkably easy to attack as either alignment. He's done this at the expense of anything else, despite complaining that he's being ignored. I can't help but interpret "it's encouraging that..." as the verbal equivalent of petting a cat or dog for a successful trick. Can't figure out how I feel about that, except that I like the image. Annul's just kind of an anomaly at this point. He IS focused on vivax/toad and, to a lesser extent, axle's posting. He's got more than a page of filter, way more than other players who have been inactive, but it's mostly forgettable. I'm always surprised to see that there's a next page for him. That said, I'm not even sure I'm at "quite possibly mafia" on him. I don't know him or his play well, but if he's scum then his lack of presence on D1 in a mayoral game feels off. I'd expect him to be trying to get SOME kind of control over things, unless all of the candidates are equally meh.
To the highlighted, that's an issue that I've been struggling with your alignment this evening, so for my read on you it's a good sign you're bringing up annul.
The last time I saw annul play he seemed more involved, for better or for worse. The fact he's been more irrelevant this game is certainly not anything approaching a town-tell, as you seem to be suggesting.
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On January 22 2013 07:32 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:20 FiveTouch wrote:On January 22 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:09 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote? ? The hammer is my penis. The wank-fiend is Annul It's encouraging that you're bringing annul up, on my read through this evening he came up as quite possibly mafia to me. He focuses in on Vivax, who is remarkably easy to attack as either alignment. He's done this at the expense of anything else, despite complaining that he's being ignored. I can't help but interpret "it's encouraging that..." as the verbal equivalent of petting a cat or dog for a successful trick. Can't figure out how I feel about that, except that I like the image. Annul's just kind of an anomaly at this point. He IS focused on vivax/toad and, to a lesser extent, axle's posting. He's got more than a page of filter, way more than other players who have been inactive, but it's mostly forgettable. I'm always surprised to see that there's a next page for him. That said, I'm not even sure I'm at "quite possibly mafia" on him. I don't know him or his play well, but if he's scum then his lack of presence on D1 in a mayoral game feels off. I'd expect him to be trying to get SOME kind of control over things, unless all of the candidates are equally meh. To the highlighted, that's an issue that I've been struggling with your alignment this evening, so for my read on you it's a good sign you're bringing up annul. The last time I saw annul play he seemed more involved, for better or for worse. The fact he's been more irrelevant this game is certainly not anything approaching a town-tell, as you seem to be suggesting.
Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. It's pure speculation, but I WOULD assume that if one/multiple of the more veteran players in this game rolled scum, they'd be trying to exert control over the votes. It seems like there's been enough variety in candidates, but still with a few main vote-getters, that scum can't just be sitting pretty all day not having to do a thing.
Me bringing up annul shouldn't count for anything alignment-wise. I'm just noting that Chezinu is courting votes from a couple people who seem to be lurking, and Toad was courting Gonzaw's lone vote. Neither of them courted Annul, who has both a lone vote AND is relatively lurky. It wasn't bringing up his play, wasn't comparing him to the Liquid City game, but just noting that his vote was sitting all alone and yet neither of them were speaking to him.
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On January 22 2013 07:27 Vivax wrote:
If you don't think JX is town, then maybe you should let him respond to my argument by himself.
Good that you bring up annul, FT. Would you deem him lynch worthy?
I certainly won't be lynching him today over prplhz or Oatsmaster. The rest of the time I have before the deadline will go towards making a decision between these two.
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On January 22 2013 07:20 austinmcc wrote:
Toad. Tell me why I shouldn't be worried about your coy/cryptic question when you were so willing to out your role in LV in order to be mayor.
? what are you talking about?
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On January 22 2013 07:36 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:32 FiveTouch wrote:On January 22 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:20 FiveTouch wrote:On January 22 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:09 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote? ? The hammer is my penis. The wank-fiend is Annul It's encouraging that you're bringing annul up, on my read through this evening he came up as quite possibly mafia to me. He focuses in on Vivax, who is remarkably easy to attack as either alignment. He's done this at the expense of anything else, despite complaining that he's being ignored. I can't help but interpret "it's encouraging that..." as the verbal equivalent of petting a cat or dog for a successful trick. Can't figure out how I feel about that, except that I like the image. Annul's just kind of an anomaly at this point. He IS focused on vivax/toad and, to a lesser extent, axle's posting. He's got more than a page of filter, way more than other players who have been inactive, but it's mostly forgettable. I'm always surprised to see that there's a next page for him. That said, I'm not even sure I'm at "quite possibly mafia" on him. I don't know him or his play well, but if he's scum then his lack of presence on D1 in a mayoral game feels off. I'd expect him to be trying to get SOME kind of control over things, unless all of the candidates are equally meh. To the highlighted, that's an issue that I've been struggling with your alignment this evening, so for my read on you it's a good sign you're bringing up annul. The last time I saw annul play he seemed more involved, for better or for worse. The fact he's been more irrelevant this game is certainly not anything approaching a town-tell, as you seem to be suggesting. Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. It's pure speculation, but I WOULD assume that if one/multiple of the more veteran players in this game rolled scum, they'd be trying to exert control over the votes. It seems like there's been enough variety in candidates, but still with a few main vote-getters, that scum can't just be sitting pretty all day not having to do a thing. Me bringing up annul shouldn't count for anything alignment-wise. I'm just noting that Chezinu is courting votes from a couple people who seem to be lurking, and Toad was courting Gonzaw's lone vote. Neither of them courted Annul, who has both a lone vote AND is relatively lurky. It wasn't bringing up his play, wasn't comparing him to the Liquid City game, but just noting that his vote was sitting all alone and yet neither of them were speaking to him.
it's just that most vets assume that annul could very possibly be mafia right now and not worth the fuss unlike other people who are so obviously town.
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On January 22 2013 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:20 austinmcc wrote:
Toad. Tell me why I shouldn't be worried about your coy/cryptic question when you were so willing to out your role in LV in order to be mayor. ? what are you talking about?
This post:
On January 22 2013 05:45 Toadesstern wrote:
what if I post something that makes me almost certainly town for everyone and also a damn good candidate for being sheriff. Should I do that and would people be voting me if I did it? which I took to at least be HINTING that you had a role or something, or maybe trying to draw shots by hinting that, compared with:+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2012 21:19 Toadesstern wrote:Lol game started and it's already 6 pages. Anyways Mayoral Campaign before anything else here we go! I plan on running for mayor The 2 major aspects of my candidacy: - I am awesome d1
- I am unreadable according to pretty much every vet on TL except for syllo
Point 1 is easily proven (not gonna lie, cpy & pasted):+ Show Spoiler [d1 reads from my last 5 games] +
L: Erandorr, turned out red.
Next one: Sandroba, turned out red
AC: Schworz My one big failure, but that guy fakeclaimed DT and told people he got a red check on my mod-confirmed bodyguard in a game without framers as a townie, lol. Ever since that happened I just completly lost myself and derped the game.
Storm: RoL, WBG, VE RoL was the strongest read but he basicly claimed mafia in the thread so that doesn't count. WBG flipped mafia, VE flipped SK, pick one of those
C9++ #2: VE, guy flipped mafia
I feel like I forgot a game as townie and I'm pretty sure my main mafia read that game was wrong as well but don't know for sure, so just take these. So as you can see my best d1-read is usually incredible good while I myself have no idea why. I am having huge troubles to explain what I am seeing in people when I am a townie which led to the believe that it's my intuition, which again, was proven horribly wrong when I attempted to play AC completly on the fly, just by intuition. And everyone knows how that game went :p I'm not saying the people I listed above got lynched d1 but that I told people those are my strongest reads d1 and noone wanted to lynch them because I wasn't able to explain why I wanted them lynched properly which sounds weird for most people (understandable) because it could just as well be a mafia who does not want to explain his reads because he knows they're wrong. So basicly: Look at that statistic. I am going to give you mafia or at least not-town d1 unless some jackass townie fakeclaiming DT and a red check on a modconfirmed green comes along screwing my radar and pissing me off. About point 2:I think I am reeeeeeally good when getting mafia. Not because my mafia play is incredible good but because I think I am really good at making it look exactly the same way my townplay looks. In general vets (except for syllo) told me my mafia play is good. WBG claimed VE and I did the best action TL-mafia has ever seen from a pair of mafias in LI. Rad keeps telling me I'm unreadable and so does WBG. Most of the times people play with me for the first time as mafia they think I am pretty much confirmed townie. Remember the Annul disaster? I was a mafia and Annul asked people in the thread who is the most likely / best townread in general and people (like Rad) said it's me resulting in me getting a free day-vig shot as mafia. That's not because I'm good at playing mafia but I am incredible good at making it look like a townie no matter how retarded the situation might be. Doing mistakes on purpose because I think my town-self would do the same mistake in that situation and being very transparent as mafia. People have a really hard time figuring you out like that. So I'm probably going to have a really hard time to make my alignment clear because people are giving me a really hard time due to my play as mafia. I'd usually say the way to figure me out is derpage or reads but since I told you that I can at least fake derpage myself.
So you might ask yourself: wtf Toad. Why are you telling us you're scary as mafia? Fear not for I am not mafia this game and I will have a hard time proving that because people think I am unreadable. So let me propose we solve both issues at once. You make me mayor, I give you a dead mafia d1, you will be at ease for a moment unless all the jubjubs appear telling people "well that could be Toad bussing his buddy d1!!!!!" until I make you lynch into my next strongest read again :p So basicly my candidacy is based on lynching whoever I think is the best shot we have at getting anti-town. That will most likely not be the guy town in general wants dead but someone most people will agree on, that he's looking suspicious.
If I lynch into some guy that town thinks is the most suspicious that's not an alignment tell at all (for you guys) unless I was heavily pushing him myself, rendering the plan uselessThat's it, reading the thread now :p On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤
Both big mayoral games. In LV you went big out of the gate, posting a campaign. Within like 7 hours of that, you claimed your mason recruiter ability, and did a lot of your campaigning based on the fact that you were blue and could ensure your townieness by masoning folks.
You've got to admit that you're little "What if I did this?" question is cryptic, and perhaps I just interpreted it differently than everyone, but I couldn't help noticing that it was very much unlike LV when you campaigned on your role.
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On January 22 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:On January 22 2013 07:20 austinmcc wrote:
Toad. Tell me why I shouldn't be worried about your coy/cryptic question when you were so willing to out your role in LV in order to be mayor. ? what are you talking about? This post: Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 05:45 Toadesstern wrote:
what if I post something that makes me almost certainly town for everyone and also a damn good candidate for being sheriff. Should I do that and would people be voting me if I did it? which I took to at least be HINTING that you had a role or something, or maybe trying to draw shots by hinting that, compared with: + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2012 21:19 Toadesstern wrote:Lol game started and it's already 6 pages. Anyways Mayoral Campaign before anything else here we go! I plan on running for mayor The 2 major aspects of my candidacy: - I am awesome d1
- I am unreadable according to pretty much every vet on TL except for syllo
Point 1 is easily proven (not gonna lie, cpy & pasted):+ Show Spoiler [d1 reads from my last 5 games] +
L: Erandorr, turned out red.
Next one: Sandroba, turned out red
AC: Schworz My one big failure, but that guy fakeclaimed DT and told people he got a red check on my mod-confirmed bodyguard in a game without framers as a townie, lol. Ever since that happened I just completly lost myself and derped the game.
Storm: RoL, WBG, VE RoL was the strongest read but he basicly claimed mafia in the thread so that doesn't count. WBG flipped mafia, VE flipped SK, pick one of those
C9++ #2: VE, guy flipped mafia
I feel like I forgot a game as townie and I'm pretty sure my main mafia read that game was wrong as well but don't know for sure, so just take these. So as you can see my best d1-read is usually incredible good while I myself have no idea why. I am having huge troubles to explain what I am seeing in people when I am a townie which led to the believe that it's my intuition, which again, was proven horribly wrong when I attempted to play AC completly on the fly, just by intuition. And everyone knows how that game went :p I'm not saying the people I listed above got lynched d1 but that I told people those are my strongest reads d1 and noone wanted to lynch them because I wasn't able to explain why I wanted them lynched properly which sounds weird for most people (understandable) because it could just as well be a mafia who does not want to explain his reads because he knows they're wrong. So basicly: Look at that statistic. I am going to give you mafia or at least not-town d1 unless some jackass townie fakeclaiming DT and a red check on a modconfirmed green comes along screwing my radar and pissing me off. About point 2:I think I am reeeeeeally good when getting mafia. Not because my mafia play is incredible good but because I think I am really good at making it look exactly the same way my townplay looks. In general vets (except for syllo) told me my mafia play is good. WBG claimed VE and I did the best action TL-mafia has ever seen from a pair of mafias in LI. Rad keeps telling me I'm unreadable and so does WBG. Most of the times people play with me for the first time as mafia they think I am pretty much confirmed townie. Remember the Annul disaster? I was a mafia and Annul asked people in the thread who is the most likely / best townread in general and people (like Rad) said it's me resulting in me getting a free day-vig shot as mafia. That's not because I'm good at playing mafia but I am incredible good at making it look like a townie no matter how retarded the situation might be. Doing mistakes on purpose because I think my town-self would do the same mistake in that situation and being very transparent as mafia. People have a really hard time figuring you out like that. So I'm probably going to have a really hard time to make my alignment clear because people are giving me a really hard time due to my play as mafia. I'd usually say the way to figure me out is derpage or reads but since I told you that I can at least fake derpage myself.
So you might ask yourself: wtf Toad. Why are you telling us you're scary as mafia? Fear not for I am not mafia this game and I will have a hard time proving that because people think I am unreadable. So let me propose we solve both issues at once. You make me mayor, I give you a dead mafia d1, you will be at ease for a moment unless all the jubjubs appear telling people "well that could be Toad bussing his buddy d1!!!!!" until I make you lynch into my next strongest read again :p So basicly my candidacy is based on lynching whoever I think is the best shot we have at getting anti-town. That will most likely not be the guy town in general wants dead but someone most people will agree on, that he's looking suspicious.
If I lynch into some guy that town thinks is the most suspicious that's not an alignment tell at all (for you guys) unless I was heavily pushing him myself, rendering the plan uselessThat's it, reading the thread now :p On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Both big mayoral games. In LV you went big out of the gate, posting a campaign. Within like 7 hours of that, you claimed your mason recruiter ability, and did a lot of your campaigning based on the fact that you were blue and could ensure your townieness by masoning folks. You've got to admit that you're little "What if I did this?" question is cryptic, and perhaps I just interpreted it differently than everyone, but I couldn't help noticing that it was very much unlike LV when you campaigned on your role.
oh yeah well I took a lot of criticismn for my play in LV. I was obviously town in that game, everyone knew it but I was still causing way too much confusion so I'd tried to not do the same again this time around.
But since you already posted it... it's obviously the same thing again :p
Sandro doesn't think I'd have the balls to play like that as mafia and thinks I'm pretty much confirmed town, although he seems to be paranoid because he hasn't figured out the mafia vet yet, which means there's got to be someone out there.
I'd say it's chez or Annul but neither I nor him are sure about it.
So yeah, make me Sheriff pretty please, don't let Chez get in second and while I disagree with Sandro, I'd probably have the balls, I'm apparently looking very townish because of it.
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Austin, if you suspect Toad to have a role, you shouldn't mention it, and you should be pushing for him to get into that safe position.
At least that'd be my idea of optimal play in this case.
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On January 22 2013 07:50 Vivax wrote:
Austin, if you suspect Toad to have a role, you shouldn't mention it, and you should be pushing for him to get into that safe position.
At least that'd be my idea of optimal play in this case. I didn't think my comment would be front-page news, given his statement.
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@ FT
Are you open to other suggestions why I think JX is scum? Oats is kinda linked to him with that quick defence post, but I'd kinda have a hard time seeing scum defending other scum, even less a townie like that.
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gonzaw willing to make me sheriff based on that information?
I want that position so badly now that I see it's actually possible to get it 
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On January 22 2013 07:55 Vivax wrote:
@ FT
Are you open to other suggestions why I think JX is scum? Oats is kinda linked to him with that quick defence post, but I'd kinda have a hard time seeing scum defending other scum, even less a townie like that.
Don't let me stop you, certainly.
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