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On January 17 2013 07:43 zebezt wrote: I explained it just a few posts ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615¤tpage=38#748 There is a chance Jacob is still going to vote. I assume that if he signed up he will participate. You just said you are off to bed Wouldn't it make more sense to put your vote somewhere it will matter not waste it on someone who is likely to get modkilled? | ||
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On January 17 2013 08:12 Mocsta wrote: On phone. Im not swapping votes. Trotske has proved to me he is scum by his recent actions. Odd that he always defends la guerta. Odd that he suddenly has doubled his post count. If he could oost this much now. Why not contribute before. He has seen a window to be a lynchpin in taking me out. That's why... I cant quote on phone. Too hard. So I'm playing more now that I have time and that makes me scum that's legit. | ||
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On January 17 2013 08:07 Spaghetticus wrote: ##Unvote: Zebezt ##Vote: Trotske THE FUCK? | ||
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On January 17 2013 08:37 Mocsta wrote: Ofcourse u would acid. U been gunning for the active townie ever since day1. LOL make a case on him then don't just write shit like this hoping to convince people not to vote for you. | ||
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On January 17 2013 08:44 shz wrote: @Trot: If you do get lynched in 20 minutes, would you like to share your opinions while you still have the chance? Don't really have much in ways of opinions that I haven't said in the game Honestly I kind of played poorly this game, I would like to apologize for it but It was kind of fun so I might play more when I have some more free time. I actually jsut started a new job and thought I would have more time sitting at a desk then I did. Unfortunately I have go afk for the last few min But I had fun gg all. have fun. | ||
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good job guys. | ||
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On January 18 2013 03:52 Sn0_Man wrote: Pro tip: Jacob (or JSL, or whatever u wanna call him) is *not* scum. If he was scum he'd vote Trotske to save Mocsta. He was obviously around at lynch deadline. I find it unlikely that much "busdriving" (aka scum leading a lynch vs scum) will occur when its quite clear mafia could have secured a mislynch D2 (with 3 horses at 2 votes each, mafia *have* to be able to get that mislynch). After that mislynch mafia need to confuse exactly 1 townie to win the game the next day so... Plus its a noob game. I'm fairly certain that one of the guys on trotske is scum (voting with mocsta), and the other scum is either A) the other guy on trotske (duh) or B) somebody not here at lynch deadline (OE, zebezt) If I'm wrong, I feel like thrawn would have grounds to modkill scum for playing against win-con (unless the 2 remaining scum agreed with each other... even then I don't think bussing Mocsta is playing to your win con). What about when I flip town and Bam all of a sudden Acid's case vs mocsta is looking really good becasue then he would have led the lynch on me and hammered the first lynch, The mafia team might have looked at him as a liability going forward. I don't think you can rule JSL out just because he didn't vote for me. He didn't vote for anybody which might actually be a little scummy. | ||
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On January 18 2013 04:18 Sn0_Man wrote: You defend laguerta to the hilt when everybody else things he is scummy, then he gets subbed out for JSL and all of a sudden JSL is scummy? Not sure I get that. Fortunately for you, every argument that I can make for JSL being town applies to you as well. I *still* want to lynch you but I know you are town. That post was actually defending JSL but feel free to draw any conclusion you want from anything I say. On January 18 2013 04:15 zarepath wrote: That assumes that Acid is driving the bus on Mocsta, and I don't think that mafia would want to bus their Godfather; they would rather give Mocsta credibility by having him bus Acid and then get role-checked. And that all assumes that Acid is mafia in the first place, and I don't find a strong argument for that in his filter. Sorry I messed up in my post, I bolded it meant to say mocsta not he looking like I was referring to Acid when I Wasn't. | ||
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On January 18 2013 05:19 zarepath wrote: Sorry, what did you mean to say, then? I'm confused now. What I Was trying to say was that your townie claim on JSL is not as solid as your posts seems to make clear you think it is. Your reasoning is that he could have voted me and saving his scum mate, but by doing so when I showed up townie the biggest case that was around was on mocsta after I was lynched aka he is next in line of fire even more so since he was pushing for my mislynch. So by hammering me JSL not only would kill mocsta next lynch in the process but would also be under more scrutiny form hammering me. I am not trying to say he is scum just that he is not a confirmed townie like your post said. does that make more sense than my other post? | ||
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On January 18 2013 12:51 Spaghetticus wrote: Okay there have been some developments, seemingly a lot of them on me. I have limited time (two hours before I need to be at the bus-stop), so I'm going to quickly draw your attention to my position and the posts that support it. I will be gone for at least 9 hours, finishing just before midnight, meaning when I do get back my contribution will be limited due to sleep. Once I awaken, I'm hoping my mother has better internet than she used to as it was unstable last time I was there. I should definitely be back to posting full strength by the the last half of Day Two. My Day Two Voting Explanation Post I believe it was Zarepath who complained that I hadn't justified my actions (It might have been Acid). This was wrong. My justification is strong, and I believe that if I had acted any other way I would have been acting to the detriment of Town (with the information available). I have done similar moves in previous games, and given the same scenario I would do the same again. Someone stated they didn't like me saying I didn't care who died between Zebezt and Trotske. At the time I had equal reads on both, and they are still on my 'dar with the addition of JSL. I really didn't care which one was lynched, I think narrowing my scope down to two people is sufficient. I never have the confidence in my scum reads others seem to have (yes I'm talking about previous games), I am known for my cautious scum reads, and voting for reasons other than tunneling the one person. I believe Shz or Zarepath can give you the meta-read. The interplay between myself and Mocsta was more cautious than normal. We just threw away XXXIV with in-fighting between Mocsta and myself, his jabs throughout the entirety of that game being damnright nasty. That he approached me with what I interpreted as some composed humour this time around was a relief. I wanted Mocsta around day Three, as I didn't think there was any chance of him slipping past us if he were scum come day three. I mean, could you honestly see him surviving given that last big case? At the time I voted, I had skimmed over it the night before, given some denunciation to make sure that it didn't gain traction in the eyes of some of the newer players, and went to sleep. When I voted in the morning, I voted without rereading the case (it was even worse than what I thought), switched my vote to improve the chances of me getting my way, and went straight back to sleep. I don't know if I would have switched my vote to Mocsta if I had reread the case, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. --- Two out of my three biggest town-reads died in the night: Sn0 and Omni. This leaves only Shz as confirmed town in my eyes. There is no way that he would make the hammer vote on Mocsta if he were scum, the bus was too unnecessary. The only way Shz is scum is if Trotske is also scum. That way, Shz was choosing which of his buddies to lynch, not whether to lynch one of his buddies. If Trotske flips town, Shz is confirmed town 100% no question. Of who I think is scum, I think at least one is hiding among Trotske, Zebezt, and JSL. I'm leaning towards Trotske in this position based off Mocsta's erratic behaviour. Town was in a bad position prior to Mocsta's lynch, three deaths in one cycle is bad. Why would Mocsta act so erratic if there wasn't another scum on the chopping block? If there was only town up for killing, all he had to do was play consistently and we would dig ourselves an even deeper hole. Instead he stepped up and made a bizarre case against a strongly confirmed town. Scum are more than capable of bussing their buddies, but why would Mocsta take such massive risks to protect someone that was town? It looks to me as if he was making a distraction to try and destabilize the vote on a buddy. Voting Troske now also has the benefit of establishing Shz as 100% town if he does flip green, and gives us a strong lead on a third scum if he flips red. ##Vote: Trotske I will be open to discussion when I get back, but I need to start packing and make my way to the bus-stop. And yet you offer no specifics in this whole post. Make excuses for your bad play, and you still have not given town any information in this whole thread YOU SCREAM SCUM you have no case and are trying to waste a lynch on a fact finding trip. My FoS of Spaghetticus of which no points have been changed or addressed. + Show Spoiler + FoS on Spaghetticus I would like some other opinions on him, I feel that most of his posts so far have been only restating that he doesn't like lurkers Literally half of his posts have had some comment about lurkers. His posts seem to me to be saying nothing while looking very large at the same time. ##VOTE Spaghetticus | ||
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JacobStrangelove + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2013 12:07 JacobStrangelove wrote: While this turned out to be true I think this might have been a scum slip, even with all the evidence town are normally far more careful with reads. For example with this evidence I would say most likely town and would think of the possibility of having improved his play to appear more town not remaining scummy to appear more town. (although I haven't seen him play before I don't think?) Also in general Spags meta is way off... he is the only other australian and while he has given reasons for being less active you would have thought he would have at least chimed it (it's almost 1pm Australian time) So in other words his meta is off, he isn't posting much (which is a separate issue from meta while being connected) and he isn't following though on his non LAL policy. A LAL policy is really easy for scum to talk about because it requires no evidence beside from lack of content. Also he posted this Is seems he has taken up the mantle of motivated lurking.... after being so bold and aggressive against them has he realised he can't keep up? FOS# Spaghetticus This is JSL's only post I could find that has any real input into who could be scum. I'm not sure if this makes him scummy or just a lazy town but I do find it odd that laguerta and JSL playing from the same role PM seem to be playing the same style. Spaghetticus + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2013 13:24 Trotske wrote: And yet you offer no specifics in this whole post. Make excuses for your bad play, and you still have not given town any information in this whole thread YOU SCREAM SCUM you have no case and are trying to waste a lynch on a fact finding trip. My FoS of Spaghetticus of which no points have been changed or addressed. + Show Spoiler + FoS on Spaghetticus I would like some other opinions on him, I feel that most of his posts so far have been only restating that he doesn't like lurkers Literally half of his posts have had some comment about lurkers. His posts seem to me to be saying nothing while looking very large at the same time. ##VOTE Spaghetticus Zarepath + Show Spoiler + Does this feel like a bus to anyone else? It seems like we are pretty set up on killing spag today so why not jump on the bus and try for the late game. On January 19 2013 01:42 zarepath wrote: The point is that if I were Spag and I knew I weren't scum, I would be looking very closely at Zarepath because he is the only person who voted with Mocsta that I wouldn't have confirmed as town. I can understand why people are suspicious of me, because I voted with Mocsta. That on its own isn't enough reason for me to be scum, but I can totally understand why it would be worthy of looking through my filter and coming up with a case. I can ESPECIALLY understand why it would be worthy of doing if Spag were town -- he would think it very likely for me to be scum. However, he did NOT do that -- that draws attention to the idea that another scum must have voted with Mocsta, and he apparently isn't very confident that I am scum. Because I am town, I am highly suspicious of the other person to have voted with Mocsta, so I looked through his filter and his interactions with Mocsta, and it all builds together (along with his votes and his cases) to a strong case of Spag being scum. The point isn't that we're both scum -- it's that we're both very much worth looking into if you're LOOKING for scum. I submit that Spag is not looking for scum, and that, having now looked, I very much think him to be scum. Also He voted with mocsta last lynch with no explanation saying he would post it during the night this is that post. On January 17 2013 11:15 zarepath wrote: My Vote, Explained by Zarepath Trotske's Day 1 involved few contributions. Most notably, he "pressured" bringaniga, agreed with Mocsta's case on Mandalor while still defending him while still saying he'd vote for him if he acted more scummy (bandwagon ready), and then he also made a case on sno_man and wouldn't let up on trying to get everyone to talk about it: Not necessarily scum-aligned, of course. But also smacks of trying to start a bandwagon. When looking at how Day 1 mislynch went, Trotske went out of his way to call Laguerta a bandwagon and voted for Mandalor because he was the one who started the vote for Laguerta... it seemed a little bit like trying to take credit in advance for the town's mislynch (or non-credit, as it were). As my time was limited today, I decided that the players I'd limit my analysis to were my previous scummy reads and those with lower post counts (Shz, trotske, Acid, zebezt). Trotske stood out to me as I read Acid's case on him, as his defense wasn't exactly stellar, and his other contributions weren't that amazing, either. His vote for Mocsta seemed to be mroe of a deflection than a read. So, prior to Mocsta flip, those were my thoughts on Trotske and my reasons for voting for him. NOw, however, we have a LOT more data with which to look at things, so I am pretty much looking at Trotske completely fresh (and almost confirmed townie, basically, considering his interactions with Mocsta, although that can't be completely assumed.) no hard reasons but the case from Acid. Makes his vote seems a little scummy, something to consider. zebezt + Show Spoiler + I really like how he made a case on mocsta pretty early, My only problem is he makes a case on jacob based on a case against lagurata who was practically trolling instead of voting for mocsta. I would really like some more input on him so I can see other points of views on him. These are my current reads, I WOULD LOVE SOME INPUT ON THESE, IT IS DEAD IN HERE. I think spag is still the best lynch candidate. | ||
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On January 20 2013 01:05 Spaghetticus wrote: My case on Trotske is not as impressive as I had hopes it would be. It can be summarised into three parts: (1) - Trotske is not a noob: He isn't, he's played more games than me, and while I'm not sure why he would tell us that as town or scum (A requirement for being allowed in the game maybe?), and argument that relies on him being a noob is fallacious. A year away is a while, but it's no reason to not have posted any content by now. Because I don't have any skills in mafia from over a Year ago. Read my old threads if you want to see some bad play and laugh about it. Just playing games doesn't make you good at them. (2) - Which leads into my next point: he seems to have almost made efforts to not contribute. I have offered more content despite starting two days later, sleeping 12 hours a day, and being pulled into family affairs I want no part of. He is neither leader of opinion nor a creative thinker, simply a follower of other's ideas. Somehow he has managed to fail to contribute, and this is not acceptable at this point in the game for someone that has any experience whatsoever. This describes yourself better than it describes me, you think you are the only person who has RL problems that stop them from contributing? Just have to do the best you can with the time you have. From what I can see with the time you have you made quite a few WIFOM post's instead of trying to create a better case. This leads me to think you are very scummy indeed. Wouldn't a town want to contribute best before they were myslynched? not making bad claims that would only cause to distract from the next lynch. (3) - This third point is more the negation of arguments used to defend him. Whatever Mocsta's plan was, it was damn erratic. People seem to be banking a lot on knowing Mocsta's intentions when they just don't seem that clear to me. Can you explain this I'm not clear on what this means. | ||
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