Newbie Mini Mafia XXXV - Page 2

1) - Have a vote on someone and a reason why. If you sheep (sheep:// verb meaning to follow someone else's reasoning without contributing, not a spell of polymorph )

On January 15 2013 02:19 Spaghetticus wrote:

(3) - OmniEulogy is confirmed town. He has changed his meta from scummy to actual pro-town. This is a read from a more complex dialogue outside of the game, but put simply:

- he has played deliberately scummy in previous games in order to give himself room to work with when he actually rolls scum

- I warned him that while I have been avoiding him in game I had decided to tunnel him as I could no longer take the bullshit, along as communicating several reasons for why a better player would play to the best of their ability every game

- He improved his style when he did not need to. I was not in the game to tunnel him, and if he rolled scum he would have had three games worth of established scummy play to work with, all but guaranteeing him a scum victory if he rolled scum.

If he rolled scum he would be under zero pressure to change his style and we would be looking at a clusterfuck of WIFOM and OMGUS instead of the rational play he is demonstrating.

I want you there on day three because you are active, and if you are scum you will slip as a result. If you downgrade your activity I will shit on you for motivated lurking. It is clear that I want you to stop wasting time being a victim, and I am not the only person with these thoughts. You are not responsible for other people lurking, but you are responsible for hiding their posts with tirades of self-pitying crap.

Okay there have been some developments, seemingly a lot of them on me. I have limited time (two hours before I need to be at the bus-stop), so I'm going to quickly draw your attention to my position and the posts that support it. I will be gone for at least 9 hours, finishing just before midnight, meaning when I do get back my contribution will be limited due to sleep. Once I awaken, I'm hoping my mother has better internet than she used to as it was unstable last time I was there. I should definitely be back to posting full strength by the the last half of Day Two.

I see Jacob is setting up to bendwagon me.

FoS on Spaghetticus I would like some other opinions on him,

I feel that most of his posts so far have been only restating that he doesn't

On January 18 2013 23:09 zarepath wrote:


He's going to eat to celebrate something that happened in mafia? I consider this another disproportionate response of a post.

On January 18 2013 22:58 zarepath wrote:


This post (mine, here) does not even attempt to go into Spag's endorsement of Mocsta's case on me, or his voting behavior, or lack of cases on who the other 2 scum are. (Really, if he were actually going after scum, he would ASSUME I were scum, because if he supposedly knows he's not scum, then he has to assume that I was backing Mocsta up by voting for Trotske. Where is Spag's case on me? Shouldn't I be the most obvious scum to him if he's NOT scum? NO, instead he has a convoluted case which main goal is to confirm someone town.) I post this now because I think people are overlooking the importance of analyzing his interactions with the one person we KNOW to have been scum.

Just for the record I once attempted a backflip on a unicycle in celebration of something that happened in mafia. Although all your other points seem to make sense but this one.

On January 19 2013 07:18 zebezt wrote:
Lol.. I almost miss Mocsta. It's kinda dead in here. Partly my own fault. Too damn busy.
Been reading spag's filter.
He doesnt say much useful stuff. He did encourage people to look into a case on Mocsta though. Slightly positive.
On the whole he feels scummy to me though. For someone that said he was gonna contribute a lot, he hasn't really made that happen yet.
Tomorrow i'll probably write an overview of my case against Jacob.

On January 19 2013 01:42 zarepath wrote:

The point is that if I were Spag and I knew I weren't scum, I would be looking very closely at Zarepath because he is the only person who voted with Mocsta that I wouldn't have confirmed as town.

I can understand why people are suspicious of me, because I voted with Mocsta. That on its own isn't enough reason for me to be scum, but I can totally understand why it would be worthy of looking through my filter and coming up with a case. I can ESPECIALLY understand why it would be worthy of doing if Spag were town -- he would think it very likely for me to be scum.

However, he did NOT do that -- that draws attention to the idea that another scum must have voted with Mocsta, and he apparently isn't very confident that I am scum. Because I am town, I am highly suspicious of the other person to have voted with Mocsta, so I looked through his filter and his interactions with Mocsta, and it all builds together (along with his votes and his cases) to a strong case of Spag being scum.

The point isn't that we're both scum -- it's that we're both very much worth looking into if you're LOOKING for scum. I submit that Spag is not looking for scum, and that, having now looked, I very much think him to be scum.

This is JSL's only post I could find that has any real input into who could be scum. I'm not sure if this makes him scummy or just a lazy town but I do find it odd that laguerta and JSL playing from the same role PM seem to be playing the same style.

Zarepath
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Does this feel like a bus to anyone else? It seems like we are pretty set up on killing spag today so why not jump on the bus and try for the late game.

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I really like how he made a case on mocsta pretty early, My only problem is he makes a case on jacob based on a case against lagurata who was practically trolling instead of voting for mocsta. I would really like some more input on him so I can see other points of views on him.

On January 19 2013 16:34 zebezt wrote:
My case on JacobStrangelove

It seems a lot of people can't get with a case unless it's phrased as a long megapost with lots of quotes.

POINT 1: THE LIE: Laguerta says he is not gonna "no lynch" vote but then ends up doing exactly that. People now make excuses for it saying it was just a troll.
What do we know? It was a smurf. Wether it was a good or bad player is unknown. We do know there weren't many posts by Laguerta, the quality sucked and it was not funny.
Would a troll play like this? If you made a smurf just for trolling wouldn't you actually want to troll? Instead of going out of your way to look suspicious and then get voted off day 1 (this almost happened). That seems to make no sense to me.
Was Laguerta simply a bad townie and forgot what he said? If you say something because you actually belief it you arent gonna forget it, because you'll automatically do it right.

I think the lie still stands as strong evidence

On January 17 2013 21:31 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hold up something I just realised. La de da (I refuse to learn his name) wasn’t a bad player.



So he was actually a veteran, now why would a veteran play like this, the obvious first thought is to troll but he hardly did. Why bother signing up and joining a game to hardly troll and do nothing? Kush(the other smurf) on the other hand was a troll, his playstyle was completely designed around trolling.

Something that is in a lot of newbie games is you run into too scummy to be scum people, they are sometimes bad town sometimes scum. I think he may have been a player who wanted to try out a too scummy to be scum play style. But couldn’t do it on his main account due to being instantly lynched.

Now the thing is he would do this as scum or town no matter what role he got but at least that means his actions were completely contrived possibly lied directly and thus Null so to speak. The reason I think this is he has obviously played and would know that lying would get him into trouble. This would make all his actions Null, which is why I would like you to give me the chance to prove I am town without harkening back to his actions.

It seems a lot of people can't get with a case unless it's phrased as a long megapost with lots of quotes.

On January 19 2013 07:18 zebezt wrote:
Lol.. I almost miss Mocsta. It's kinda dead in here. Partly my own fault. Too damn busy.
Been reading spag's filter.
He doesnt say much useful stuff. He did encourage people to look into a case on Mocsta though. Slightly positive.
On the whole he feels scummy to me though. For someone that said he was gonna contribute a lot, he hasn't really made that happen yet.
Tomorrow i'll probably write an overview of my case against Jacob.

On January 19 2013 18:07 zebezt wrote:
You answered most of it before, but they were crappy answers.

A too scummy to be scum playstyle. Really?? As town? This makes no sense.

I'll comment on the rest later

On January 19 2013 21:40 zebezt wrote:
The whole concept of too scummy to be scum makes no sense. Even if you don't get voted out immediately, you will eventually.

Your point 3 defense is basically that you don't know. How is that a defense?

Your point 4 defense was that it was clear shz was going to switch because of some comments he made. That's hardly a guarantee. Many people say accusing things about others, but these don't mean they will switch.
Town should vote. You sound like you are very experienced. You should be able to read the cases and decide wether or not they should be good. Refusing to vote = scummy