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Heya! Sorry for not posting earlier I was sleeping/reading the thread. To be honest I am still kinda shell shocked from reading 30+ pages straight makes me almost glad for the lurkers... However I skim read a lot due to the lynch time being soon.
However I now have a feel for most of the people and a few things recently popped up.
First I ran into this
On January 15 2013 17:23 zebezt wrote:
Ooh I found a question from Acid I didnt answer:
At this point I had forgotten that acid even existed, he seems to have picked up posting after this but if I remember correctly only after mentioned.
Also he goes straight for zebezt which seemed to be another in contention at the time (possible counter wagon not actual scum read?)
On January 16 2013 05:22 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 21:40 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Acid
I had assumed that when you did start posting, you would be continuing that pattern from now on. The Stuff you posted was seemed good, but you still have the smallest filter.
I know this is a backflip since you weren't on my list of people under pressure, but your complete lack of activity is giving you the smallest filter, and a town shouldn't feel that he needs to be pressed into doing town activity. I want to see more from you, so while this is a vote that does have intention to lynch, it is conditional in that I will remove it the second you start contributing properly again.
##Vote: Acid I'm fine with having the smallest filter. For now, I'm reading. I don't feel the need to make you privy to my every inane thought, so when I have something useful to say I will post. Until then, since nothing has changed in this regard: ##Vote: Zebezt
However from what I saw his case on Trotske seemed good, by good it was set out nicely. By this point in the thread I was starting to zone out. So I will need to go back in and formulate cases.
Because I am so far behind can you link me to critical posts and arguments recently for me read? Also ask me opinions and questions on things.
Defence. Ok unfortunately due to time I have to put up a defence of mocas case based on 8 posts the lynch and previous day one lynches... So I am going to treat him like I would if I cop checked him with no framer and was trying to show you why it’s wrong. Because he is I and I know me. If this makes sense. If not ignore everything after the dots.
First “La de da” (the person I replaced cause let’s be honest he did nothing) was compared to a guy named tmil who was scum. But I would like to point out one major difference between the play styles. TeMiL made posts to seem active while not saying anything useful (going off one example that was given)
“On January 05 2013 00:02 TeMiL wrote:
ive just make a chart with your connections.
i want to know for each one your nationality and the country of residence, or maybe everyone are native from each country that TL says:
TeMiL - Peru
Sylencia - Australia
Spaghetticus - Australia
Mocsta - Australia
StriX - Australia
OmniEulogy - Canada
jampidampi - Finland
cDgCorazon - USA
zarepath - USA
i need to make some conclusiones with this information”
While he sucked he had a scum style due to (trying) to do stuff.
Compare this to la de dar over here who posted like.
“his guys posts is full of fluff as indicated by:
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On January 13 2013 22:40 laguerta wrote:
When does voting end?
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On January 14 2013 07:08 laguerta wrote:
because im going to help the town later when i stop being super tired and lazy
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On January 13 2013 00:31 laguerta wrote:
k
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On January 14 2013 07:09 laguerta wrote:
##unvote
##vote no one
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Complete fluff not even trying to appear active (without posting) or town like just completely disconnected from the game. If he was this bad I would assume he would do the whole. Yay town lets win this thing that scum like to do to get people on their side. The meta from scum to town is very different.
That is as much as I can say in my defence based on his posting. (yes he lied... that is all there is too say on that I am not a mind reader of ghosts past but I can assume he just forgot what he said {lol})
Secondly, while you have a point about him possibly being confusing I believe you might be complicating the issue. He had a lot of votes on him easy. This lead to nerves which caused a vote switch. If I recall correctly the last few games I played day one both people in contention were easy to get votes on. Much like this case. While it isn’t much they were both town each time? (not sure with memory) Basically a vote switch while it might seem pointless for mafia to switch lynches it creates suspicion on the one that survived the lynch. Thus making it easier to lynch people later on. (although that last section was wifom)
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Wait lynch is that soon? I thought it was 12 midday o-o
atm I will vote no lynch because I don't have enough to vote for anyone reliably.
##Vote: No lynch
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On January 17 2013 08:22 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 07:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On January 17 2013 06:57 Mocsta wrote:
This guy has gone out of this way to protect La Guerta.. even now in Day 2.. Maybe I was wrong with Omni.. but for this type of protection, there must be a relationship.I cant make sense of it any other way.
Agreed, and Day 1 I thought they might both be scum. Another option is that they are masoned together... On the other hand, the coordination of this sudden jump-on-mocsta train reeks of scum QT planning. Obviously its not certain, but I'm going to examine the circumstances very carefully. Which sucks because I had a pretty hard town read on Acid (probably because he's always had it out for Moc rofl). If nothing else, I still support the theory behind LAL enough to look at lynching laguerta (okay his mute replacement) over Mocsta. @Trotske at least you are posting. And really, your posts are starting to change my mind. I so wanted to lynch you. @Mocsta that last post sounded desperate as hell, although admittedly town don't want to be lynched either. If Trotske and I were both scum plotting together, we would be like the worst scum team ever since my case against him got him leading the vote count right now, which is interesting. Very interesting indeed. It seems my case has produced the desired results, although not in the manner that I had intended.
Well it was pretty! You had exhibits and everything. Could have been a bus style we hate each other thing gone wrong though. The whole if I were scum argument while useful sometimes often is mildly indicative of scum trying to think how a town would. (or trying to leave the impression he is town by saying if ect...)
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On January 17 2013 08:48 Acid~ wrote:
I know you're new to the thread, but surely you see that there are much easier bus targets than Mocsta right now.
Oh? So who do you know is scum that you could bus over him?
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On January 17 2013 08:52 shz wrote:
@all:
Did your opinions about Jacob change? Do you think he is worth keeping around for a while?
I kinda feel that he at least contributed somewhat, though the surprise that the lynch deadline is so soon is a bit strange, it is posted with every votecount, and they were already a few of them before he started.
Near the end especially I started scim reading. I think the initial time was different? Not sure why I thought it was 12 but I probably wouldn't have joined the game if I thought I had to wake up this early every lynch :/
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On January 17 2013 08:53 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 08:49 JacobStrangelove wrote:On January 17 2013 08:48 Acid~ wrote:
I know you're new to the thread, but surely you see that there are much easier bus targets than Mocsta right now. Oh? So who do you know is scum that you could bus over him? Nice try with the loaded question. Just look at the guys who jumped at the chance to lynch Trotske. If that's not a bus, I'm a pineapple. Unless you take 'bus' to mean only scum voting on scum, I mean it as scum all voting on the same target after someone initiated the vote.
xD I had to give it a shot. As for the bus on trotske that isn't how it works. Bus is purely scum voting scum.
"Bussing (as in "thrown under the...", not to be confused with busdriving) is when a mafia member backstabs a fellow mafia to get the trust of the villagers, usually by supporting (and possibly even leading) a lynch against his fellow mafia. "
It could be a mys-lynch wagon though.
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Congrads! I was mainly watching that lynch because I didn't want to be swayed by mafia and as it turns out that was a good thing.
Zarepath, Mocsta, Spaghetticus, Zebezt were the suspisious ones in that lynch going purely off voting. Obviously Mocsta was scum and dead himself. But spag came in without much reasoning in his vote posts (he may have reasoned before but still doesn't look good and we need an explanation)
I lost Zarepath in the confusion so I don't know who he was. Zebezt went the easy way out much like spag did but without being in contention.
so atm I am going to find out why zarepath voted the way he did.
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On January 17 2013 06:59 zarepath wrote:
I am leaving work right now and won't be able to check this or vote during my commute, and will be cutting things too close for the deadline. I will explain my reasoning N2, but have to vote without explanation right now for a lack of time:
##Vote: Trotske
now is the time
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I have been thinking about the game in general. While I may have read all 40 pages if you don't think about the information you have then it is pointless and it takes a while to sort. I think I have a general idea of where everyone stands and how they act.
I am kinda on the edge about Zarepath. You have done a whole lot of work bringing up rb theory and associations but you haven't given your opinion on what you think the associations mean. (although wow you just posted more this is actually quite helpful for me especially being a replacement) It's like go town make mis-lynches for me muhaha style of play. It could be just you haven't gotten around to it though. Also you post lists and lists suck 
Although we should not start list discussion as that is counter productive as well but I hated seeing a phase of lists like half way though the game.
Another think I would like to note that his day two play was very... minimal? Comparing activity between the two days is odd. For example he posted 1.5 pages on day one down to half a page for the night and day 2. With his largest post being purely defense. I am not sure if you suddenly had time issues I just found with more information you talking less was odd...
although I admit your defense of your vote was kinda ok but if you could answer these points it would be good.
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Oh and that is another thing I forgot. Something is happening sunday(your Saturday probably) If I did the maths right the lynch is on that day at 10 I should be around to 8:30/9 I didn't bother thinking about it when I signed up as I thought lynch was 12.
Also something else might happen that day as well still talking to someone about arrangements but at that point it will be night so it won't matter so much.
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Also why on earth did I think lynch was 12?
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On January 17 2013 15:56 zebezt wrote:
Hell yes!
this game is getting to me. I dreamt Jacob was lynched and he flipped town and everyone was pointing fingers at me.
This could still happen you realise...
Have you looked at second half of my original post?
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On January 17 2013 17:24 zebezt wrote:
It's dumb to be happy?
I'm not saying we should sit back and relax. But in my eyes the next lynch is 100% clear.
It's sad for Jacob because he didnt get to play much, but Laguerta and mocsta set him up.
Evidence against Jacob
First there is Laguerta saying he is not gonna "no vote" and then he "no vote"s. LIE
Oh don’t feel bad, even if I get lynched in 2 days time am playing till the very end mark my words.
Yes he lied... I don’t even know if he remembered what he said. I would like to say it’s more likely for scum to keep promises because they make them in order to appear town. However he basically wasn’t in this game so I can’t and it sucks. But saying the next lynch is 100% clear? Honestly?
On January 17 2013 17:24 zebezt wrote:
Second there is is Mocsta's voting behaviour. During day 1 he is super late to get on the Laguerta voting train. When that train is looking like it's going to derail, Mocsta gives it the final push by jumping ship and voting Mand.
There is no reason for Mocsta to make this switch UNLESS HE IS PROTECTING HIS SCUM BUDDY.
Later on Mocsta claims he is 100% sure that Laguerta is scum. Yet he does not vote for him. Instead voting for somebody else. Not once, but TWICE. This looks to me like Mocsta is distancing himself from Laguerta, knowing his lie is out. However he tries to distract the vote away from Laguerta.
Ok I was theorising about this, and as I said before I know there was a double mis-lynch happening on day one. By changing he puts suspicion on me when the lynch goes bad and he probably assumed he would survive day 2 with me dying putting him in good stead. I don’t know why his voting was so funny however. Maybe he wanted to join someone elses train so he wouldn’t look so bad when I went down? Maybe he thought he could get me day 3?
Or maybe he did it because hey why not? Omni isn’t here so I wonder why the vote initially was on him. It could be he wanted to get omni and then me because at that point I was likely to get modkilled? I don’t have a clue the problem is you are seeing black and white, the situation is almost never black and white it is a dynamic of really evil colours that sometimes combine for the heck of it.
On January 17 2013 17:24 zebezt wrote:
Any comparison with Temil is useless. This is more than enough PROOF THAT JACOB IS SCUM.
Would like to point out the comparison with TemiL is in my favour... I already pointed out that as far as bad lurker scum go there are several differences in behaviour.
On January 17 2013 17:24 zebezt wrote:
I therefore strongly suggest that if we have a roleblocker he RB's Jacob tonight.
Heh, sure thing.
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This makes no sense. He looked far worse switching to somebody last minute than if he would have kept his vote on you.
This part was referring to day two.
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Don't try to sidetrack by bringing up Omni.
So we pick the parts of his thought process that are conveniant to your theory and ignore the rest?
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Hmm but he did vote for the guy, I mean smaller things maybe but I would have thought votes normally are reasoned.
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Hold up something I just realised. La de da (I refuse to learn his name) wasn’t a bad player.
On January 16 2013 00:44 Stutters695 wrote:
Laguerta was another smurf. Same rules for voting apply that did to bring/kush. Let's leave it at that until after the game
So he was actually a veteran, now why would a veteran play like this, the obvious first thought is to troll but he hardly did. Why bother signing up and joining a game to hardly troll and do nothing? Kush(the other smurf) on the other hand was a troll, his playstyle was completely designed around trolling.
Something that is in a lot of newbie games is you run into too scummy to be scum people, they are sometimes bad town sometimes scum. I think he may have been a player who wanted to try out a too scummy to be scum play style. But couldn’t do it on his main account due to being instantly lynched.
Now the thing is he would do this as scum or town no matter what role he got but at least that means his actions were completely contrived possibly lied directly and thus Null so to speak. The reason I think this is he has obviously played and would know that lying would get him into trouble. This would make all his actions Null, which is why I would like you to give me the chance to prove I am town without harkening back to his actions.
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Vt
"Lynch Spaghetticus.
Either he or zare or both of them are scum. This is simple logical deduction from the actions and votes of day 2. Again for the cheap seats: scum would not have split their vote 3 ways and if you think that scum bussed Mocsta it means I am scum."
So why the vote on Zebezt?
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Also yes Spag is full of empty promises and isn't posting as much as usual (heard someone say that) I thought his reason for his last minute vote was down to "waking up to control the lynch" but why did you pick those two? Did you think they were both scummy? We need to work out if it makes sense that those two were his targets.
For example does both of them being scum make sense? Will look into this, however acid reminded me that I didn't have time to look at Zarapath.
His night filter is mainly rb analysis, day 2 action analysis, and theorys on how many people would be left. although, he did have one or two good posts on who we should be looking at so as long as a follow though happens and he uses this information to good use I am not so bothered. It's just every single one of these is perfect scum content because it is so easy to be correct and right. While they are things that need to be discussed it's concerning at the moment.
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ebwop: acid reminded me indirectly that I forgot to finish my look at Zarapath.
Also something about acid that popped up. You constantly mentioned that you didn't vote for someone you made a case on. Now either you are town being open or scum trying to appear to be open knowing someone will realise that eventually. Just if I recall correctly you mentioned it more than once. Could be trying for town cred?
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