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thrawn2112
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thrawn2112
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. Mocsta (1) - Oatsmaster Oatsmaster (1) - Mocsta Not Voting (11) - lots of people Currently, Mocsta is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 23 hours left to vote! Deadline is at 04:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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bringaniga
18 Posts
Please refrain from addressing me directly. My time is extremely limited by my pressing studies at the University. However this I will respond to the most recent question proposed by the player labeled shz. To whom it may concern: Due to the public nature of this thread, I am prohibited by patent law from disclosing any specific information regarding the experimental procedure. | ||
shz
Germany2687 Posts
#Vote: bringaniga Please answer me and defend yourself. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Everyone else, comment on the situation please. | ||
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shz
Germany2687 Posts
On January 13 2013 14:20 Oatsmaster wrote: This game man.. Explain why you voted me in detail please Mocsta. It feels like you are relying on your previous town games to give you an automatic town read. About a townie throwing their vote in reckless abandon, please read newbie mafia XXXI. I don't think I'm doing it this game though :/ I have voted my scumread and I either push your lynch, or lay off you because I think that you are town. At the moment, YOUR OMGUS vote on me isn't convincing me. Everyone else, comment on the situation please. You are the one UMGUS'ing, or? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 13 2013 14:20 Oatsmaster wrote: This game man.. Explain why you voted me in detail please Mocsta. It feels like you are relying on your previous town games to give you an automatic town read. About a townie throwing their vote in reckless abandon, please read newbie mafia XXXI. I don't think I'm doing it this game though :/ I have voted my scumread and I either push your lynch, or lay off you because I think that you are town. At the moment, YOUR OMGUS vote on me isn't convincing me. Everyone else, comment on the situation please. i already detailed it. That you ignore this is just fuether cause for concern shz is dead right. I fos you. And then you omgus me. I have not omgus. I laid out succintly my concerns with your play. And there is no way what you are doing is contributing positively. Hence the only possible explanation is scum motivation your reaction is case on point. Instead of provide sound reasoning like a townie would. You prefer further emotional arguments trying to demand i explain myself when it was already there for all to see. with your handling of this pressure. You have proven my vote was the right decision. Guess thats 2 scum games in a row that u r uncovered day 1 | ||
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bringaniga
18 Posts
You have already surpassed the word count maximum for day 1. As a result this warning is addressed to you. Thank you for your enthusiastic participation! Still, please be aware of the other players, whose voices you are overpowering. You have provided an ample sample for behavioral analysis. There are many who have not. Please, give them a chance to catch up and contribute. Addendum: Personally I find most of the ecology of mafia threads absolutely fascinating. There is one recurring theme that hopelessly dull, though. I refer to the battle of the alpha towns, in which each tries to outdo the other's word count. There can be no winner, except scum, and no loser, except earnest students of the hunt, such as myself. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Oatsmaster is out of line and is doing his most to prevent discussions. The thread feels like day3 and we have not even had our first lynch. i think oatsmaster has had a large part to play for this. I can only expect his intentions and attitude have been premeditated. @bringa you still havent answered the first questions or participated in any meaningful discussions. Yet you have posted numerous times. This is not good enough. I am going to expect more from you over the next 20hrs. Your saving grace from me so far is oatsmaster scummy play and that acid is yet to contribute. start contributing bringaniga. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
Mocsta has made his town meta fairly clear. He hasn't really deviated from it in his first few posts and nothing he has said moves me to believe he is town OR scum. I think you are reading with some pretty thick goggles already Oats. Reading through some of your other games, it isn't very characteristic right off the starting blocks. I can see it as scum attempting to derail the conversation as we were coming up with some good idea's and creating a friendly atmosphere, which as you have said you hate so much! Where is your town motivation for that? The hypocrisy in what you've accused Mocsta of and what you have done so far is amazing. I don't think this is enough for me to vote on but in your own words shape up or die. @Shz On the other side of things, as much as some of his posts annoy me and I agree he hasn't contributed much of anything, I believe I can see a town mindset behind what he has been saying. It's very clouded though and I can probably attribute that to his posting style. He starts off trying to get people to post (null) It's good for town but not very hard to do early on in the game. Or at any point really. He also tries to say that he thinks both Mocsta and Oats are town (I think) and that they are just butting heads because they have posted the most and it's easiest to make cases this early on people who have posted. It's very hard to get a read on nothing. So although I wouldn't mind seeing him try to explain himself like a normal person and answer some of the questions that have been addressed to him I can see a small townie vibe from what little I believe he has said. Anyway I just woke up, its 4am I'll be back after making some toast if anybody is around  | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
FYI http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389 On December 01 2012 23:39 ghost_403 wrote: FLIPS Oatsmaster the goon was lynched Day 1. This is the game with the famous AxleGreaser. ---------------- Omni, I am used to your concern with me. I know each game is different, but just remember, you spent a lot of last game hounding me, and even JK'd me, which in the end proved I was town. So, I don't have a problem if you are unsure of my alignment. This is smart thought process to take and I return the same to you. I stand by that as town, we shouldnt be calling out weak or strong town reads Day1, the information can only help scum make easier targets. Like I keep saying to you, I am an ab-lib poster; with too much activity to try and bullshit. My motivations and intentions should be clear in my posts. I stand by my actions speaking louder than words. In regards to actions speaking louder than words...Herein lies my problem with Oats - and why I voted him. Initially I gave him benefit of the doubt and said.. hey.. you realise your not helping out town with your attitude .. instead he tries to aggressively intimidate me.. I then ask him 2 sets of questions specifically to him regarding his behaviour... he completely ignores them and tunnels me all over again. His derailing on the thread, when there is already low activity to me, has led to a thriving scum environment (something I am trying to oppose here) - this with all the previous behaviour was grounds for my vote.. he follows up by saying I OMGUS him, which is completely wrong. He is doing his best to try and intimidate me from contributing; and at the same time is not getting anyone else to contribute. In my 2 games, I have never seen town play this move; whether it was Day1/Day2/Day3. I can only read his motives as intentional, and scum aligned. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
On the other side we have Oats as an example who posts an average amount in both roles. However his play style (now that I've read through his filter for XXXII) changes a little. Experience changes everything though but there are some similarities between his XXXII game and what he has done this time, and very little in his other games that I read through. Again not enough for me to vote for him but it's not a good sign either. I'm hoping some of our lurkers can weigh in, and if Bringaniga doesn't come up with anything by the lynch deadline, my current thoughts of him will turn to scum pretending to be active and I'll be pushing for his lynching over the current Oats for sure. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Please actually quote, it irritates me when you say I am wrong about you and you leave it at that. hey.. you realise your not helping out town with your attitude Thanks for not telling me how to change. On January 13 2013 07:18 Mocsta wrote: @oatsmaster Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations How does aggressive posts stop fluid and positive town conversation? What is your idea of a good town conversation Mocsta? Why are you so against town collaborating together to prepare for the scum hunt? I started the scumhunting? How does town collaborate when no one knows who else is town? If people dont want to post, then that is their problem. I shouldnt have to force people to post right? On January 13 2013 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote: Hmm... Mocsta could you link the game Oats was scum. I just looked through three of his old games and he was town in all. It did bring to my attention the massive change in his play style though. Although it doesn't incriminate him, it sure as hell doesn't help what I'm thinking about him. I was scum in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389 The hypocrisy in what you've accused Mocsta of and what you have done so far is amazing. Explain please | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On January 13 2013 07:40 Mocsta wrote: This is funny coming from you. *ALMOST SURELY NOT* Didnt you play in Newbie 32...werent you lynched Day1 as scum? I think its unlikely to lynch scum Day1, and in my 2 games we haven't achieved that. But obviously something went right in your game to lynch you. So far, there havevn't been too many contributions; but a few of us have indicated wanting a combined scum hunt and bouncing ideas against each other. I 100% advocate this as well. Perhaps this will be the key to lynching scum Day1 (after all I dont want you to feel alone )Umm Rad wasnt on my wagon, so im right.. but a few of us have indicated wanting a combined scum hunt and bouncing ideas against each other. I 100% advocate this as well. So when I actually post a case, you just say, you OMGUS me and totally ignore it OTHER than saying LOLOL YOU'RE WRONG. Others have agreed with me. So you need the other players approval before voting? Why? Do you notice the Timecodes on the posts? Mocsta Australia. January 13 2013 08:55. Posts 336 Oatsmaster Singapore. January 13 2013 08:58. Posts 772 How could I have written the case in response to your FoS? | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
QUOTE]On January 13 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote: On January 12 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote: Hi All. From other games, it seems the best 3 questions to ask are: 1) Stance on Lurkers: i.e. Do you policy lynch? 2) How do you think scum would try to get influence with us? 3) [fluff] DONT BUY A POOL. I wasted all my time today with pools and hate it ! I won't be around for the next 6 to 8 hrs (DAMN POOL!) Question 1. How does a yes/no question start discussion? Thats right, it doesnt. [/QUOTE] Keep in mind he asked other questions as well, and if anybody actually answered only yes/no they would be an idiot. The fact that you even think anybody would do that and not get follow up questions is extremely amusing. On January 13 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey Mocsta, what was the point of your opening questions? Do you think you achieved your goal? On January 13 2013 08:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, do you have any reads so far? You leave both of those open to 1 word answers. Just in case you don't know... Hypocrisy: Noun The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform And then we have "2. I really dont want to answer that. Because I dont think my answer will help town in any way. " And "Come on, show how me and sno-man are not stimulating conversation?" That's a hard one... not answering questions and getting so defensive to the point of making a terrible case and voting on somebody because of it. I think that's pretty detrimental to town. I'm not saying Mocsta is playing without fault, your case makes decent points about what he should be improving on in terms of better explaining himself. Turning around and calling him scum for everything he's posted though without any real facts but CLAIMING they are without a doubt scummy and should get him lynched is wayyyyyy over the top. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I really dont know what real facts your need to have before you lynch. A scumslip? You leave both of those open to 1 word answers. Just in case you don't know... Hypocrisy: Noun Do you think that Mocsta would answer those with 1 word? Exactly. Its all about context. That's a hard one... not answering questions and getting so defensive to the point of making a terrible case How was I defensive? I didnt even see the FoS before I posted the case as I mentioned above. Ok Omni, What scum reads do you have? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
1) If somebody is super-lurky, they obviously aren't helping town much. I'm not lynching a lurker over a scummy player though. If there is no scum read i'd go for the most scummy lurker though. I would only favor a lurker lynch if we can not come up with a good case. All of these say the same thing, so are they all town? Or is the question useless and the answers non-alignment indicative. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
Do I have scum reads? not really. There isn't enough information on anybody to label them as scum. There are scummier players at the moment, I'd say Bringaniga would be #1 for me right now until he makes a post that says something useful. I'm not sure why you tunnel Mocsta so hard with 9 other players who you should also think could be scum and you have no information on. Instead you focus on somebody who has been active, playing his previous town meta, and has been trying to promote activity while defending himself from you. | ||
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