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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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shz
Germany2687 Posts
Please refrain from going into victim mode. If he is out to lynch you, prove him wrong by defending and doing what you think is best. Don't play the victim. @Oats: Since you are active, what do you think about others? Even if Mocsta is your #1 read atm, what about bring? the lurkers? Sno? @Omni: On January 13 2013 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote: @Shz On the other side of things, as much as some of his posts annoy me and I agree he hasn't contributed much of anything, I believe I can see a town mindset behind what he has been saying. It's very clouded though and I can probably attribute that to his posting style. He starts off trying to get people to post (null) It's good for town but not very hard to do early on in the game. Or at any point really. He also tries to say that he thinks both Mocsta and Oats are town (I think) and that they are just butting heads because they have posted the most and it's easiest to make cases this early on people who have posted. It's very hard to get a read on nothing. So although I wouldn't mind seeing him try to explain himself like a normal person and answer some of the questions that have been addressed to him I can see a small townie vibe from what little I believe he has said. Anyway I just woke up, its 4am I'll be back after making some toast if anybody is around  Of course. I would be scared shitless if a scum plays this trolli and obnoxious from the get go. This is super easy to blow up in your face, but what if he is that gutsy? Does it help to have him around even if he is town? This is threesr all over again. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Looks like you are trying to create a dictatorship to me. Also, how did you brainwash all these people? HOW? feel Oatsmaster will just try to derail it So you dont have confirmation bias, right. Also, with your current level of activity, and the way you defended yourself. ##Unvote HOWEVER I really dont like the way you are going around buddying everybody and keep referring to yourself as an excellent town player. yet at least 1 individual is yet to post with 24hrs expired. Are you not concerned with this behaviour? What do you want me/everyone to do? Knock on his door and wake him up? I agree that the lurkers are lurking away, what do you propose the town, led by you, do? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 13 2013 20:34 OmniEulogy wrote: @Mocsta I think if you look at it from somebodies point of view who hasn't played with you, allowing a random person to take total control of town is terrifying. I've had slight problems with you doing it in both of the games we've played together but not large enough to complain because generally it moves discussion forward and eventually I get a town read on you. With this in mind I can see Oats being extremely suspicious of you and trying to remove your credibility by making a case on you to be scum trying to take control of town in a newbie game where people are generally more docile so you can get away with it much easier. Although I think Oats was overly aggressive I can see a town AND scum motive behind it. I wouldn't assume he was just trying to derail the conversation. He could have been genuinely worried about letting you take control so early and having most people take your word as gospel truth. I might not like how he did it but I just think we should keep this in mind. Understood. That was a well-reasoned post Omni. I hope people read then if they are umming and ahhing about this situation. I just want to say, I did not think initially he was trying to derail the thread. At first I thought he was concerned about someone being proactive (as you said)... a towny trait for sure. What I want to ask you: @OmniEulogy (This should be a quick answer, his filter isn't THAT large) You said you see Oats over aggression as both town and scum motives. Oats initial posts before I called him out.. in general, did you find them more town or scum aligned? Do you find his subsequent posts (after I called him out) more town or scum aligned? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
laguerta Trotske Acid~ glurio Posters that seem to be trolling the shit out of the thread Bringniga ##Vote: bringaniga Its less than 12 hours to lynch and I know that you are active. Please contribute in a manner that will help town Either we lynch them, or lynch an active player. Also, in case you guys didnt read the OP or dont know, its plurality lynch so the person with the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched. THEREFORE there is no need to consolidate to lynch. HOWEVER town should consolidate in order to prevent scum from being able to affect the final vote with a last minute vote switch | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
@Oats rather than brainwashing I don't mind Mocsta leading discussion because I don't believe he is capable of doing it without giving away that he is scum. I don't think I could do it either. I've never been mafia but I'd imagine it would be very difficult with little experience to play without giving yourself away if you had to talk so much. That and so far what he has said has matched with my thoughts. I'll have to go back and make sure he isn't just agreeing with what I'm saying though just to be safe. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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zebezt
185 Posts
It's hard coming up with good questions early in the game though. I came up with some though: I would like to know from everyone who their top 2 vote targets are. These are not necessarily the same as top scum reads. Mocsta: You said you were going to play this game differently than your previous one. How exactly? Oats: Why does Mocsta's activity level mean you don't vote for him anymore? Sn0_man: What do you think of the points I brought up against you earlier? (minus the scum/town ratio thing) | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I still think that we may need to revisit Mocsta, but for day 1, there are better targets. A question for you zebezt, Why wouldnt our top 2 vote targets be our top scum reads?? | ||
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OmniEulogy
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laguerta
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
3 posts so far laguerta. What do you think about bringaniga now? What are your current scum reads? What do you think about the shitflinging between me and Mocsta? | ||
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laguerta
22 Posts
On January 13 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: it ends in about 14 hours 20 minutes. 3 posts so far laguerta. What do you think about bringaniga now? What are your current scum reads? What do you think about the shitflinging between me and Mocsta? Gonna take me awhile to figure out the last 2 because I have to reread stuff because its confusing. Ive read all of Bringanigas posts because they are so unique. I think hes a weird rp guy thats prob town because mafia wouldnt bring that kind of attention to themselves this early. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
I don't have any strong reads on anybody so far, but this may be useful for some of you. Mocsta After observing the last two newbie games, I am a little afraid of a scum mocsta. In fact, in Newbie XXXIII I had a strong scum read on him - mostly because, while he contributed a lot, his posts consisted of mostly questions to others. He wrote down very few own reads. His meta so far looks like his XXXIV game, which is a little odd because he said he'd switch things up a little before the game started. He might try to copy his last meta to look town. So far, however, I get a town vibe from his play, but I'll be looking at him more closely. Oats Very agressive stance towards Mocsta. While I disagree with his read on Mocsta, he looks like a very agressive townie. I don't think being the first to attack one of the most vocal players is typical scum behavior. laguerta One of my strongest scum reads so far, which doesn't say a lot. In my first post after the game started, I said I'd look for quiet players with very few quality posts for Day 1. And laguerta is a prime example for this. Just take a look at his filter. Sn0_Man Weird behavior so far. He was _very_ active before the game started and then vanished from the thread. Lots of questions about the SK and then he disappeared. He has some posts after the game started (and I know that this is my second post btw), but other than this post + Show Spoiler + On January 12 2013 14:22 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm not denying, discussion is good/important and if nobody starts it scum autowin. However, if a scum can get control of town fast, they almost instawin. As a gambit, it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast. Plus, the use of the word "us" is a pretty ingratiating town claim to make in your first post (if town thinks of mocsta as "us" then he is pretty happy). Either way, that post felt like the opening gambit of a scum whose plan was to utterly control town. Obviously there are other ways to read it, I'm not voting mocsta here (yet). Additionally, the way the 2nd question is asked almost makes me think he is asking "Tell me your scumhunting plans so that I know what you are thinking about and what I can avoid". My 2c not a whole lot of contribution. I would like to ask you to post more. I like the quoted post, but I'd love to hear more of you. So far: null read. Trotske My other top candidate for voting so far. No read from him at all other than his opinion on sn0_man's and Oatsmaster's behavior (which Mocsta asked him to provide). Please give us something to work with, otherwise I'll vote for either you or laguerta. ------- I know this is a newbie game and quiet is not automatically = scum, but you're making it easy for scum to lay low if you don't contribute. laguerta and Trotske, please take your time and give us some reads. Who are your top scum reads so far, and why? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 13 2013 22:02 zebezt wrote: Mocsta: You said you were going to play this game differently than your previous one. How exactly? Good question. I have 3 goals for this game. (1) Reduce tunneling / confirmation bias - i.e. try to be more open to reason regarding posters motivations (2) Stop assuming association cases; target one mafia and focus on that guy till cleared innocent or proven guilty. (3) Try and engage lurkers. Im still working out the best way to do this. I had a strategy last game that didn't work. This game i hope that asking them direct questions will elicit a response. Thats how I plan to play differently. I think (2) is going good so far. (3) hopefully my next post will address. and as for (1).. please pass on some constructive feedback. Do you think I was confirmation biased in regards to Oatsmaster, or do you think I raise valid points of concern? | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
What's confusing you? Talk to us. Your reads don't have to be bulletproof. I don't think we'll come up with a bulletproof case on Day1 anyway, but any read you can provide will ultimately help town - no matter which role you got. Just look at a couple of filters and write down your thoughts. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On January 13 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote: Good question. I have 3 goals for this game. (1) Reduce tunneling / confirmation bias - i.e. try to be more open to reason regarding posters motivations (2) Stop assuming association cases; target one mafia and focus on that guy till cleared innocent or proven guilty. (3) Try and engage lurkers. Im still working out the best way to do this. I had a strategy last game that didn't work. This game i hope that asking them direct questions will elicit a response. Thats how I plan to play differently. I think (2) is going good so far. (3) hopefully my next post will address. and as for (1).. please pass on some constructive feedback. Do you think I was confirmation biased in regards to Oatsmaster, or do you think I raise valid points of concern? I know you're talking to zebezt, but I'd like to answer this. I think you're very much confirmation biased. I think Oats' agressive behavior didn't exactly help, but do you really think this is standard mafia behavior? Scum likes to make buddies with the most vocal players, not attack them right away. I don't understand your vote on him at all. In fact, I feel like you both went for an OMGUS. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
As far as I can see you have been about as active as them | ||
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