EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXV - Page 14
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OmniEulogy
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Oatsmaster
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I think he is scum. Is that not a good enough reason? | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Oatsmaster
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Keep going, I like this conversation. OK GUYS INPUT ON SHITFLINGING BETWEEN ME AND MOCSTA. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 19:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Instead you focus on somebody who has been active, playing his previous town meta, and has been trying to promote activity while defending himself from you. I think he is scum. Is that not a good enough reason? Oatsmaster.. I have had enough of your behaviour. You are again completely out of line. Once again, you are implementing emotional arguments and trying to intimidate others from posting. Let it be known, I will not be intimidated by you. I stand for an open environment, not the dictatorship that you seek. When I gave the the FoS I thought maybe you were just trying to cock-block discussion; but your actions since then have been consistent.; consistently reckless. You are doing your utmost to derail the thread with your fast and loose play; obviously a good scum strategy to partake in. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Day1 activity has been extremely poor, even with my best efforts to counter. Who else has stepped up to promote discussion. There have been 1 or 2 other individuals. Perhaps you just decided to target whoever was the first poster to the thread was. Let me guess, after your done with me, you will pursue them as well. You are a MAJOR CULPRIT for the lack of activity this Day 1. As such, let me remind you: On January 13 2013 13:12 Mocsta wrote: You have been upgraded from Finger of Suspicion to ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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zebezt
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Seems there is finally some activity going on. Oats seems to be either playing scum or is acting like an idiot. Not easy to decide which it is. I think a scum would not stick his neck out this much so early on though. My top list of people to vote for is: 1: sn0_man 2: bringaniga 3: oats There is still very little activity by some people so of course I don't have all the info I want yet. My explanations: 1: Sn0_man was the first one to attack mocsta in a way that would lead to a bad town atmosphere. After oats took over this case he conveniently hung back though. A nice way to not draw attention to himself. He makes excuses for himself: Not sure, never played mafia before. I didn't have much interest in leading but if nobody did I'd have figured out something to start discussion. Being this apologetic, but not actually doing anything: pretty scummy. Another hint: What is a common Townie/Blue/Mafia ratio? Something like 3/1/1? or 2.5/1.5/1? He does not seem interested in the town/scum ratio. Both of his options seem fix the scum/townie ration at 1:4. He would know this ratio if he is scum. As a townie there is no need to know the ratio's anyway. As a scum it is important to know how many blues you have to hunt for though. 2: bringaniga seems to be hiding behind his little act. No idea if he is scum, but he isn't helping. His professor doesn't turn up in google except for someone that lived a few centuries ago, making bringaniga a vampire?! 3: Oats' idiocy has been outlined by mocsta and omni already. Even for scum play it seems pretty bad though. Therefore he is not so high on my list. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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For example I'm curious about how people find Bringaniga's posting. @Everyone Would you be willing to lynch him based on his current posting and why? I personally am against lynching Bringaniga right now. I feel that he has a town mindset behind his actions, and although it is annoying it is not very scummy yet. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 19:44 Oatsmaster wrote: So how do I get people to talk? Theres a variety of methods. Forum Mafia operates a lot like real life, typically if you ask someone a question politely, they will reciprocate with a response - hopefully polite. When you ask questions with your tone; 3 outcomes are standard: 1) They are intimidated, and capitulate to you. I assess your behaviour as seeking this. 2) They answer your question, and do no capitulate.[i]This is me. I am not scared of you. I know I am town, it is you who is trying to create havok where havok does not exist.[i] That you make this play so early indicates, scum see my proactive start to the game as a threat. So I take your tunneling as a complement. 3) They tell you to fuck off. Now that you know why your question technique is poor.. lets try good questions: 1) @Oatsmaster You say you want to target Mocsta because "I think he is scum. Is that not a good enough reason? " So far, all your points are dredged in confirmation bias. You are looking for connections that do not exist. Have you tried thinking, why would Mocsta post what he does if he was town. I think you should, let me know if your points are then countered, and if your perspective has changed. I think thats a good question in this situation. 2) @Oatsmaster You are tunneling one target, Mocsta; yet at least 1 individual is yet to post with 24hrs expired. Are you not concerned with this behaviour? Do you find this behaviour scummy? (to both points, that you ignore others have not posted, and that someone has not posted) I think thats a good question in general | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 20:03 OmniEulogy wrote: Haha Generally I think asking questions is how you have to do it. I know you have been but it's mostly been in regards to the discussion between you and Mocsta. I'm not saying ask the lurkiest of lurkers anything. You might not get an answer back. But I believe most of the other players would answer you. For example I'm curious about how people find Bringaniga's posting. @Everyone Would you be willing to lynch him based on his current posting and why? I personally am against lynching Bringaniga right now. I feel that he has a town mindset behind his actions, and although it is annoying it is not very scummy yet. Im disapointed with Bringaniga output. I have called him to respond as well at least once, possibly twice (yeah I know, I managed to do this, whilst "discussing" with Oatsmaster. Im not sure if a see a townie mindset, or any mindset? seems like a fruitloop. Perhaps hes a bored VT; or TeMiL all over again *sigh*. I think treat him as a priority for Day2. Right now, every time I want to walk away from Oatsmaster, he just keeps baiting me back. I really think the scum gambit for Day1, is to kill discussion and hope it never picks up. So far its working..How is it possible we are 4-5 pages in.. and over 24hrs have passed, this is not normal. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 20:16 OmniEulogy wrote: Mocsta I'd also like you to give your 2 cents about Bringaniga if you would. I'm not looking for anything in depth, just your opinion on him IF things remain the way they have been until the deadline. Even though I touched bases on him last post, to answer your question specifically. If things remain the way they are; Oatsmaster gets my vote over bringaniga. If bringaniga posts nothing meaningful between now and lynch, I am happy to vote him instantly Day2.. I learnt from the last game, if your sure of mafia, and something new pops up, sometimes no point changing. (How many times did we lose voting out TeMiL.. because someone offered a confirmation biased post). | ||
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zebezt
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On January 13 2013 20:05 OmniEulogy wrote: I've gotta jump in and say one thing Zebezt. Him mentioning the townie/blue/mafia ratio was before the game even started. Oops Got a bit carried away with my newly discovered filter skills | ||
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OmniEulogy
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 I believe we can use today to get some answers from the EU guys. Shz, Mandalor, Glurio ect. should give us their input. Zarepath should also be around. It wasn't the best 24 hours we could hope for but I'm trying to work a few things out with the limited information. I'll try to have one good case about 5~ hours before the deadline. Two if it's needed. It sucks to have to hope people will respond but most of them have given reasons for their inactivity during the weekend. Now is their chance to prove they want to help town and come in with some fresh thoughts. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 19:59 zebezt wrote: Oats seems to be either playing scum or is acting like an idiot. Not easy to decide which it is. I think a scum would not stick his neck out this much so early on though. I think Oats is trying to do 2 things (1) Play "So-Scummy-He-Can't-Be-Scummy" This play has been so effective in past games I played, it allows you to be active, confuse town, but still survive. & (2) Gambit: "Create Chaos by targeting a discussion promoter" I think Oats randomly chose me, possibly because I wrote the first post. Even calls me out for writing the first post On January 13 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey Mocsta, what was the point of your opening questions? Do you think you achieved your goal? I think the gambit is to derail thread convo as much as possible... I mean right now, who are we actually thinking is genuine scum besides Oatsmaster? Thats exactly what scum want.. they sacrifice one player, and then can win the game by lurking low like the rest of town they intimidated to stop posting. [As an aside.. how is that post even constructive to town... from his first post regarding me, he has decided to be of this aggressive untoward nature.] | ||
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OmniEulogy
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On January 13 2013 20:21 zebezt wrote: Oops Got a bit carried away with my newly discovered filter skills I did the exact same thing last game, or in my first... maybe both. It happens  You make an interesting point on Sn0 regardless. I think he's just acting as a paranoid townie though, which I am not implying is a bad thing I believe you should assume everybody is scum and have them prove themselves as town first. His activity level is low however but I'm not sure if I'd put him as #1 scum suspect at the moment. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 20:24 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm not sure Mocsta. I think we have a lot more to work with than D1 of our last game. Also, I was a bit impatient sorry I believe we can use today to get some answers from the EU guys. Shz, Mandalor, Glurio ect. should give us their input. Zarepath should also be around. It wasn't the best 24 hours we could hope for but I'm trying to work a few things out with the limited information. I'll try to have one good case about 5~ hours before the deadline. Two if it's needed. It sucks to have to hope people will respond but most of them have given reasons for their inactivity during the weekend. Now is their chance to prove they want to help town and come in with some fresh thoughts. Agreed. Regardless of my thoughts on Oats, we need to pursue other leads so we are in good stead for Day 2. Good to know we are on the same page; did you want to lead the discussion with the "low post" guys? I would do it, but feel Oatsmaster will just try to derail it.. perhaps if you post, he will ignore it. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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With this in mind I can see Oats being extremely suspicious of you and trying to remove your credibility by making a case on you to be scum trying to take control of town in a newbie game where people are generally more docile so you can get away with it much easier. Although I think Oats was overly aggressive I can see a town AND scum motive behind it. I wouldn't assume he was just trying to derail the conversation. He could have been genuinely worried about letting you take control so early and having most people take your word as gospel truth. I might not like how he did it but I just think we should keep this in mind. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 20:29 OmniEulogy wrote: I did the exact same thing last game, or in my first... maybe both. It happens You make an interesting point on Sn0 regardless. I think he's just acting as a paranoid townie though, which I am not implying is a bad thing I believe you should assume everybody is scum and have them prove themselves as town first. His activity level is low however but I'm not sure if I'd put him as #1 scum suspect at the moment. Yeah.. hes not my #1.. its difficult.. the most important lesson I was taught from my first game was to avoid building association cases. Concentrate on 1 scum, you either prove them innocent, or prove them guilty. If innocent move on, if guilty.. lynch. I know this is hard... it is easy to think the way sn0_man/Oatsmaster entered the game was very similar.... but its very hard to pressure two players at the same time very well. Therefore, advice is to choose one, and focus until you get the answers you seek. TL;DR Stay on one target, push them till you are satisfied... | ||
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