EPTIf somebody thinks the right questions are not being asked, by all means, ask what YOU think are the right questions.
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zebezt
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If somebody thinks the right questions are not being asked, by all means, ask what YOU think are the right questions. | ||
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Trotske
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On January 13 2013 07:23 Mocsta wrote: Trotske, I agree his posts are ermm.. "diffferent?".. however, there are still to my knowledge 3 participants who have not contributed at all. Acid, Shz, Glurio @Trotske Since you are here, I may as well try to generate some meaningful discussion. (1) Do you think it was reasonable to mention to Sn0_Man and Oatsmaster that their over-agressive/paranoid type early-game playstyle might actually be preventing people from talking (including the 3 I listed above)? (2) Do you think that behaviour is a normal town approach to the game? 1. Yea I think it is very easy to intimidate people into thinking they shouldn't post because they might get fingers pointed at them for doing something like starting the conversation that needed to get started anyway or defending someone who they claim is scummy. I think it makes a bad town mindset for getting as much information about everyone was we can if townies are not as eager to post. 2. I think it hurts town so I don't think it is normal if town wants to win but I don't have alot of experience and have pretty much just read some guides. Oh and to your first point I would say fluff posts are just as bad as not posting at all because it just distracts from the real posts that people need to read and I havn't seen bringaniga post anything that wasn't as waste of my time to read. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 13 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote: My point was that the question is not a good question because what do we know about optimum scum behaviour? You know I read this, and get a funny vibe. Its almost a soft-town tell... ohh i cant be mafia because I know nothing about being mafia. Now, last game we had a guy do a similar thing, he was town.. so for the time being, I will give you some leniency here. I am going answer this because, I assume in *your-own-way* you are *trying* to contribute to the scum hunt. We are newbies, with a maximum of 3 games. Of course we don't know about optimum behaviour. So what? That means both alignments do not know optimum, and we are at the same playing field. My games are 1-1 for town/mafia, that indicates level playing field too. You are seriously derailing conversation here, but to what agenda? The intention of the post is to start getting us townies to think about ways mafia try to persuade us to think. That way we can start to counter it. If you can not see that, and in combination with the other things you have written, I have to seriously doubt your intentions. @Oatsmaster Why are you so against town collaborating together to prepare for the scum hunt? | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 07:45 Trotske wrote: 1. Yea I think it is very easy to intimidate people into thinking they shouldn't post because they might get fingers pointed at them for doing something like starting the conversation that needed to get started anyway or defending someone who they claim is scummy. I think it makes a bad town mindset for getting as much information about everyone was we can if townies are not as eager to post. 2. I think it hurts town so I don't think it is normal if town wants to win but I don't have alot of experience and have pretty much just read some guides. Oh and to your first point I would say fluff posts are just as bad as not posting at all because it just distracts from the real posts that people need to read and I havn't seen bringaniga post anything that wasn't as waste of my time to read. Thanks for the support Trotske. I am happy others agree Sn0_Man and Oatsmaster are creating a bad town environment. Fair comment. For your #2.. in past games feedback the veterans kept saying was.. this is a simple game.. town catch mafia. you ask questions to find scum. its that simple. I wouldn't fret on your experience, to me so far, you are taking a good approach trying to consider if a post is town or scum motivated. Once the votes come through, is when we start to see alignments more clearly (At least in my experience) [p.s] The guides are REALLY useful - make sure you read them again; also speak to the coaches. The feedback is invaluable. | ||
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bringaniga
18 Posts
The procedure originally was to present my preliminary solutions at the 24 hour mark. However to work properly my algorithms require certain conditions to be met. As I have stated earlier in detail, the conditions entail a minimum amount of submitted content from each player. Regrettably these conditions have not yet been met. The procedure may have to be modified. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
OK... your not a smurf of Chezinu the brown are you? Anyways, what has everyone posting got to do with the below. Please address these with the same courtesy all other players did. Thank you. On January 12 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote: 1) Stance on Lurkers: i.e. Do you policy lynch? 2) How do you think scum would try to get influence with us? | ||
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Trotske
410 Posts
On January 13 2013 08:14 bringaniga wrote: Silence, doubters! I trained for years at the University of Zurich under the most expert tutelage of Professor Gottfried Wielkes. Do not presume to pressure me. The procedure originally was to present my preliminary solutions at the 24 hour mark. However to work properly my algorithms require certain conditions to be met. As I have stated earlier in detail, the conditions entail a minimum amount of submitted content from each player. Regrettably these conditions have not yet been met. The procedure may have to be modified. Your posts are driving me crazy can we get a straight reply please. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On January 13 2013 07:57 Mocsta wrote: ] The guides are REALLY useful - make sure you read them again; also speak to the coaches. The feedback is invaluable. Stop mentioning coaching. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Corazon
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Oats, play the game. If we(the hosts) feel like Moc is breaking any of the rules regarding talking about coaching, we will let you all know. Let us do our job. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Please continue conversations, we need more!! I would give my reason for where I shall be.. but apparently "Oatsmaster" has banned me from using that word. Ahh fuck it.. I have to clean ze pool more. [forgot to put Chlorine in it last week.. and yeah... a little bit infested  ] | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 08:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, do you have any reads so far? Yeah, and so far my best read has NOT addressed any of my questions to him. Instead, my best read has responded by trying to dodge the questions and put the limelight on other participants. ##FoS: Oatsmaster All you have done is successfully derailed the thread convo, and made people uncomfortable to post. Others have agreed with me. I see no town motivation for your behaviour. You have continued this behaviour, and when asked about it, you dodge the questions and instead ask irrelevant questions to the mods. If everyone had posted, this would be a vote. But because we are still waiting on 3 to 4 people, I will give benefit of the doubt and just lay finger of suspicion. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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In fact, im gonna vote you. After I show how you are scum On January 12 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote: BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid". What is wrong with sounding paranoid? Do you instantly believe what the other person says? This is scummy because Town wants paranoid players to find scum and scum want believing players to manipulate. On January 12 2013 16:41 Mocsta wrote: zarepath, thanks for the well thought out response. I actually replied to Sn0_Man before reading this.. if i did read this first, I could have saved myself a post.  Scum also want to buddy the most active town player in the thread so that they wont get pushed by him. Mocsta, how does this post add to the 'conversation' you keep talking about? On January 13 2013 07:14 Mocsta wrote: Wow. Thats it over the night shift. Oats u sound like sno_man. perhaps the aggresion u 2 have shown is why there is a lack of discussion. I think u should read what i posted to him. My questions are ice breakers and i have not a genuine comment from to stimulate town conversation. In fact. You are deterring conversation. @oatsmaster Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations Come on, show how me and sno-man are not stimulating conversation? Not being all friendly and nice isnt a scumtell you know. Like what is a genuine comment? Sounds like fluff you are throwing out there because you cant respond to my post. On January 13 2013 07:23 Mocsta wrote: Trotske, I agree his posts are ermm.. "diffferent?".. however, there are still to my knowledge 3 participants who have not contributed at all. Acid, Shz, Glurio @Trotske Since you are here, I may as well try to generate some meaningful discussion. (1) Do you think it was reasonable to mention to Sn0_Man and Oatsmaster that their over-agressive/paranoid type early-game playstyle might actually be preventing people from talking (including the 3 I listed above)? (2) Do you think that behaviour is a normal town approach to the game? Ok mentioning the lurkers which everyone can see... Looks involved but has no point in stimulating conversation. The first question he asked Trotske is hilarious. 'Do you think that my posts on them were scummy?' That is not a townie mindset. At all. Because town is more concerned about finding scum, than caring how they look to the other players. 2. Again, what is the point in asking this question? It looks good at first glance but this can be adequately be answered in great detail by both scum and town so what he is trying to get out of it? He is trying to see if people agree with the oats/sno lynch. Mocsta, either shape up or die. ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On January 13 2013 01:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck no. Lynching a scum read is good because it provides discussion around the lynchee which is helpful in locating scum. For example, a day 1 scum lynch will almost surely not have any scum, depending on the situation so then just lynch everyone who wasnt on the wagon. Really optimistic example. However lynching a lurker is bad because it doesnt generate meaningful discussion because its a yes/no question. Lynch this lurker or not. And its really difficult to actually justify a lurker lynch in another way other than, he has not contributed, he is harmful to town, he should die. 2. I really dont want to answer that. Because I dont think my answer will help town in any way. On January 13 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Its not that he asked about policy lynching, its that the question is phrased in a such a way that someone can get away with a yes/no answer that doesnt generate discussion. 2. How confident are you in your answer to question 2? My point was that the question is not a good question because what do we know about optimum scum behaviour? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On January 13 2013 08:55 Mocsta wrote: All you have done is successfully derailed the thread convo, and made people uncomfortable to post. Others have agreed with me. I see no town motivation for your behaviour. You have continued this behaviour, and when asked about it, you dodge the questions and instead ask irrelevant questions to the mods. OOO I like this post. Explain how I have derailed thread convo. How have I dodged questions. Where are the irrelevent questions. TO EVERYONE: I see no town motivation for your behaviour. Notice how he doesnt say that my behaviour is scummy. Notice. Mocsta, do you want to lynch people for being bad or for being scum? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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bringaniga
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Preliminary solutions will not be presented at 11 pm this evening as I had orginally hoped. The conditions for minimum activity were not met, therefore my results are not worth sharing due to their statistical insignificance. Unfortunately, traditional scumhunting is the only available course of action until the experimental parameters are met. I will not partake in such frivolity, however, as I find it time consuming and ineffective. | ||
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glurio
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shz
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@Mocsta: 1. Scum > Scummy Lurker > Lurker > No-Lynch. Lynching scummy players always go first, this is a no-brainer. The rest is logical too. I don't like no-lynching. 2. Whatever. It's great that you want to start discussion by questioning everyone on everything, but a bit more statements from you, instead of questions to others would be appreciated. @bringaniga: Your play is annoying, aggravating, and idiotic. It sounds highly aggressive (which isn't a problem per se, but still hard to adapt in a newbie game). At least explain your reasons why you play this way, and start to actually contribute something instead of teasing and then pulling out. @Oatsmaster: In parts, the same thing applies to you. If you want to play that aggressive, contribute something useful. Your Mocsta-case is dumb and obviously defensive. Chill out or explain why this is a good way to play (I have no clue how to work with that, I know there are very aggressive (town-) players here, but I have no experience with that). What I gathered is, that Mocsta plays this way. This does not mean he is town, but neither does it tell you he is scum. He played the same way as town in my game with him. Your case is dumb and weak, but it's still 24h to our first lynch, so I'll let it slip. If you contiune to play that way, I'll vote for you (or bringa). | ||
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Mocsta
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<insert sarcasm> Well done, you are obviously a top candidate to lead the scum hunt. Interesting that he doesnt even bother to read the 3 pages of thread since Day1 before laying down his vote. Oatsmaster, you said you answered my direct questions? No you didnt.. If you need a refresher, try here: On January 13 2013 07:18 Mocsta wrote: @oatsmaster Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations On January 13 2013 07:50 Mocsta wrote: @Oatsmaster Why are you so against town collaborating together to prepare for the scum hunt? As for your points, They are just plain wrong. Your heuristics are weak, and confirmation bias is completely drowning you. That you are willing to lay a case down when:
I know as a townie, my vote is my most important weapon. I don't just throw it around lightly, and *hope* to catch scum. I scum hunt actively, create a collaborating town environment, and *know* I will catch scum. You on the other hand, just throw the vote with wild abandon. In my 2 games, I haven't seen a townie do that, and I still don't think I have seen a townie do it. You have been upgraded from Finger of Suspicion to ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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