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On December 31 2012 23:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I got my own spoiler in the OP, Who's Jelly? very much so. | ||
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On January 02 2013 02:11 Clarity_nl wrote: The hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. So we'll lynch him. new policy in the making imo. | ||
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Quickly though - for those of you who played with me last game my views stay the same for Policy lynches. We shouldn't lynch the lurkers D1 just because they aren't active, we need to actively scum hunt and push our top scum reads. I WILL lynch liars though. Townies don't need to lie in this game. That's all I've got to say about that I'm looking forward to this getting going! | ||
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First things first. Spag has already said he's changing his style from his last game because it got him lynched D1. He's also right that I bandwagoned last game instead of sticking on Cora who was my strongest scum read D1 and ended up getting him lynched. I'm going to try and avoid that kind of play this game. Spag your questions and calling them laziness doesn't really fly considering how you played last game however I don't really see it as being scummy. Your posts seem good so far and I agree we should try to pressure lurkers but just like XXXIII I don't think we should lynch a lurker D1 unless there is absolutely no other option. That being said ##FoS: Zerepath The no-lynch is a scummy trait. As this is one of your first games on TL I'm not reading too far into it but it is not a townie mind set at all. You make a good reason for having a no-lynch but again... that is NOT a townie mindset. It's a reason for scum to slip through us and kill somebody N1 while knowing they only have to play it safe and just have to vote no-lynch or join the only wagon. Very hard to find scum like that. @Mocsta I think Spag seems slightly more suspicious based on his change of play styles but we all knew he would be doing it so I'm trying not to judge him based on that. What I find more incriminating on him so far is that he says he is lazy when he was very active and making larger posts D1 with no mention (I believe) of being lazy. I think your play looks almost identical to your town play last game Mocsta so I'll give you a weak town read for the moment. The only difference is that Aqua is not here this game so you had to vote yourself, I believe this is also not a move scum would make so early into the game so you've cleared yourself of my suspicion unless you make some posts that make me seriously ask myself WTF. @Sylencia the chances of lynching scum D1 are indeed very low and I believe that is what Spag was saying. The fact that we almost had one last game should be forgotten because if we DO lynch Scum D1 it means they screwed up and the amount of information we would get would be MASSIVE. example: if we lynched Cora D1 last game we would have had FC lined up and ready for D2. 2/3 scum gone in 2 days. While I hope something like this happens we need to scum hunt to get it done. @Zarepath I'd like to know your thoughts behind how I explained a no-lynch to hurt town and what you think of Mocsta's aggressive behavior so far in the game in leading discussions. | ||
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It seems like a setup for doing nothing D1 so you can just keep saying you don't have a good read on anybody so you vote no-lynch. That isn't going to fly for me and trying to hide behind "lurkers" during the first few hours of daylight for most of us is also extremely defensive play which I believe you said gave you away as mafia in a previous game. | ||
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After reading the following something feels off, it might be a language barrier thing but + Show Spoiler + From jampidampi: Regarding the QT question: If he was scum, he would have gotten the QT link with his role PM. Would anyone ask something they already know of? Or was it a way to get his scumbuddy to come to the QT? It is all just speculation, but I hope everyone here would have the brains to check out the QT from their PM. Leaning towards town Something in that bolded area seems off to me. @Jampi could you clarify when you say everybody should check the QT link they get in their PM? | ||
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Alright... Vote: Zarepath you left us with a nice case on syl, I don't agree with most of it but it was a decent case and he responded to it very well. However you left right after ruining the chance of any immediate conversation that might have stemmed from it. Your position on a no-lynch is a factor in my vote as well, it just isn't a town mindset. Also claiming that a no-lynch vote is not even at play any more is a bad attempt to bury something that is very much a factor in how D1 plays out. Again not a town mindset. You attack Sylencia largely on ideas that promote strong town behavior like his willingness to lynch lurkers in certain situations but otherwise always going for his scum reads. Almost everything you said about him applies to yourself in terms of posting, in which he is ahead in terms of quality and quantity. ##FoS: Strix lack of everything from you so far. You are a close second to Zare. @Everybody What do you think about the case made against Syl? How do you feel about Mocsta leading discussion and his vote on Cora? How do you feel Cora responded to the vote. How has he given himself any credibility as town afterwards. (Cora please feel free to answer this one as well) And lastly in answer to asking if making a contributions list if town vs scum it could be either. We had Shz in NMM XXXIII attempt a similar thing as VT and I've watched mafia players pretend to contribute by doing the same thing in other games. The point to be made aware of is that Mocsta has also lead discussions and is not ONLY making those posts. | ||
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Do you have a read on anybody at the moment Mocsta? | ||
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I think we can cut down on the possibilities a bit more before anybody really needs to throw out a vote if they don't think they have a read at all. | ||
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@Zare fair enough I know it happens. I also agree that the mafia would rather have us lynch ourselves and get an even larger advantage. It happens in most games D1 but they also tend to be the ones who say a no-lynch is fine with them early on. Ignoring that aspect of why I voted for you though because as you say its hypothetical and you did make a case on somebody else I'm going to keep my vote on you for the time being. | ||
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You can make a case like that and it doesn't really put you into the spotlight at all. If we all voted for him and he flipped town THEN it would. But you yourself didn't even vote for him. How is not even voting for somebody and just calling everything they have done scummy dangerous for you in any way? It's a good way to start conversation on a target, and you got him to answer but it's not putting yourself out there in any way. | ||
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Also spag I only read your last post as writing this and I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you have this made up illusion that I have something against you because of NMM XXXIII. Get over it. You are trying to get people to think that we can't agree on anything and that our opinions will always be different. As I know I am town, I can only see it as a move to try to divide townies and get us to lose faith in each other, please stop or I'll assume its scum motivated instead of you dwelling too much on the past. | ||
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I'll start with the people I don't think we should vote for in this lynch. I believe Mocsta and Spag should be free of suspicion for this lynch entirely. TeMiL and StriX I believe we should wait until D2 TeMiL I think is just bad town and I don't think a vote on him is the BEST we could do. StriX says he makes long analytical posts. I'm waiting to see one. He hasn't delivered in 48 hours and I am most likely going to put my vote on him. I believe Syl is in the middle ground and responded to the case made against him really well. I have a very slight town read on Jampi. I most likely will not be voting on him unless something drastically changes. Cora hasn't called himself scum twice yet so thats a plus he's actually been playing in my mind what a town cora would be. Please ask any questions I'm doing a larger write up right now. | ||
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On January 05 2013 05:51 cDgCorazon wrote: So, crossing out the people you're not going to vote for, that leaves Zare and a No-Lynch. You've already voted and unvoted for Zare, so are you going to go back to Zare, or are you going to push for a no-lynch? I literally say I'm probably going to vote StriX | ||
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yes oh really. Just because I'd like to see StriX in D2 to see what he comes up with, I believe 48 hours should have been enough and I'll still vote for him. | ||
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Why he is my top scum read. Syl gave him a very nice resume as Mocsta called it and made me look forward to what he would bring to the table to help us with his insight. However I have not seen any of it in nearly 48 hours. Perhaps a town StriX would make large posts and push strong scum reads however that is not what we have seen at all. He plays a newbie card early on and on top of that votes for TeMiL and feels that after making that his only useful(?) post he should not be grouped together with him as a lurker. + Show Spoiler + StriX Australia. January 04 2013 14:40. Posts 31 PM Profile Report Quote # filter @OmniEulogy by the way - if you reread I was the first to call out zarepath on his no-lynch so it's amusing to me that you use it as an argument then call me out for contributing nothing. @cDGCorazon I shouldn't be grouped with TeMil. He follows up when asked why he doesn't pursue Zare with this + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote: [quote]Why have you backed off zarepath? I want to know rationale, you should have this case-at-hand if you are analytically minded as Sylencia stated.[/quote] Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. He also admits that Mocsta has fed him the names for his top scum reads at that point in time. No real searching involved. We then have his take on Zare's case vs Syl and how to support/promote town play + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On January 04 2013 21:19 StriX wrote: oops forgot this bit On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote: (2) [Mocsta] thus, how do you propose to support town play? At this point transparent observations are my strength. Aggression for me is fun and all but very often seems to lead to situations we have with Sylencia v Zarepath. He wants to lurk as town and offer no helpful information himself and use information other people gather to give his opinions. On top of this he then criticizes it when it is exactly what Syl had to do to answer Zare's case. It makes no sense considering it is exactly what he wants to watch happen. (have people question each other for information so he can make cases) The only problem with what happened was that a bandwagon did not form on a possibly innocent Syl and thus as scum he had nowhere to hitch his vote to. He also backtracks on Zare just based on the fact that he no longer things the no-lynch would be scummy without a good reason. Stating "it was a ploy" and that is all. At this point in time StriX has moved to my top scum read and therefore I am voting for him. ##Vote: StriX | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:14 StriX wrote: sorry time is of the essence so I can't really post the long analysis you guys keep hyping me for. I just have one simple question. Don't you think it's interesting OmniEulogy bandwagons twice? (first on zarepath then on myself) I'll attempt to find some proof because didn't really suspect him until now. doesn't sound like an OMGUS? "I didn't suspect anything and haven't had any proof to support that he's scum but now that he's made a case on me and voted for me TIME TO HUNT" for the first time this game I might add. I guess its good that something finally pushed you to contribute. It's unfortunate that it's you being up for a lynch. I welcome your case on me by the way. I am town, so the sooner you make your case the sooner I can tear it apart. You can spin what you meant by "it was a ploy" all you want now. It's become a matter of opinion and as I believe you to be scum, your opinion on what you yourself wrote doesn't change the fact that you stopped pressuring him. | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:52 StriX wrote: @OmniEulogy at risk of adding more fuel to the fire. Will you vote for jampidampi if I die VT? I would have been suspicious if you bandwagon'd anyone. I'm not sure honestly. I think I'd look at him again for sure, but the N1 kill and how D2 goes would influence my vote far more than who started the lynch in this case. especially as we have 3 choices currently. | ||
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It's almost like he didn't read my case on StriX or wants to even mention it. Why would Mocsta not bring up this case? It brings up very good arguments against StriX which he has not even tried to respond to and he criticizes me for play he made (much worse) on TeMiL. Why does he not address such an important case? Ask yourself if Mocsta's "case" has been made attempting to hunt scum when what I have been doing all game is giving out my reads on people and trying to pressure with votes and gain town information or if its an attempt to save StriX. Mocsta votes on TeMiL - useless vote, changes to me with NO real scum indication or facts. All of his "scum reads" are his personal opinion. I could claim Mocsta has personally delivered very little to the conversation himself, he asks a lot of questions but answers very vaguely and does not contribute unless it has been on TeMiL or other players who have been lurking. He's been called out on it already and tried to sidestep the accusation. This is very easy for scum to do. He has also conveniently left so he can't expand on any of his idea's further. His block of text says very little for so much writing. He claims no contribution when I have pushed more aggressively than some people feel comfortable with against Zare, and now StriX. He claims that switching my vote from Zare to StriX is me not caring who gets lynched. This is simply not the case. Zare began to contribute more and as the day progressed he became less likely to be scum and as such my scum reads changed. I unvoted and went over filters, read through countless posts again to come to a conclusion. That is not carelessly voting as he would like you to believe based on his opinion. I say him voting for TeMiL and then switching to me is much worse than what he has accused me of. He went from a lurker who has not even defended himself to a player who is possibly on to scum and has been scum hunting and giving his input on the top scum reads all game long. Mocsta is wrong and I strongly advise you to not confuse his reads for facts. | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:32 StriX wrote: Survival = bad? It's weird also that you are basically saying with your vote that I lurk more than TeMiL. last game I refused to vote for somebody I believed was town because I knew it would lead to a win. You voting for somebody you didn't have a read on to live is extremely selfish. You didn't even try to convince us of your read afterwards. You just jumped on me. It's not a townie way of dying. You haven't given us any of the information you've built. You didn't even make a case on ME because you couldn't find one. This is NOT town behavior. | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:10 zarepath wrote: Now if there'd been a case against Omni four hours earlier, we could've had a different result. Welp, time to read the filters again! result wouldn't have changed. same guy would be lynched regardless. | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:15 Sylencia wrote: Not necessarily, Cora and I might have changed if there was time given for that case to be properly analysed. why Cora specifically? | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:16 Spaghetticus wrote: You are overconfident Omni. Now that StiX is gone, you are the person who has had the most suspicion of them expressed with a vote. You are so far from bullet-proof it blows my mind that you would act this way. prior to the vote 0% chance unless scum was waiting to switch from StriX to myself. Which would make no sense it would give them away entirely. Now I agree after the vote. But before... nah. | ||
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he stated mocsta didn't give me enough time to defend myself. thats far from what you are implying. | ||
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I'd like these answers before the end of N1. You've had more than enough time and clearly you read the thread and know when things are happening. | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:57 cDgCorazon wrote: How in the world was Zare's vote for you similar to mine in XXXIII? I voted for you in XXXIII because you were playing ridiculously irrational, changed your opinion on me multiple times, and voted out a townie even though you claimed I was "100% scum". You set yourself up to allow me to bandwagon easily on you without getting suspicion. I don't think this is even close to that situation. You kept saying null read null read and I did one thing and you placed your vote immediately. Even the coach I asked about it said it was a scum tell afterwards. I think it was even mentioned in the OBS QT. lol | ||
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And I already said why I wouldn't vote for TeMiL. I made my case against StriX... do you really not care who a vote gets placed on that much? Nothing in what you have just said makes much sense. "I switched from TeMiL because I saw a chance to change to you, Why weren't YOU voting for TeMiL?" really? I've said multiple times a vote on TeMiL is wasted right now. | ||
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On January 05 2013 11:17 zarepath wrote: I am trying to discern why you say that switching my vote from TeMiL to you is bad play. I personally think it was fine, but I would like to hear your reasoning and not necessarily because I'm trying to out you as scum with your answer. it wasn't necessarily about the vote coming off TeMiL, I feel its more about not explaining yourself and just throwing it out there. If you are willing to go over why you changed your vote using your own reasoning and not just because of Mocsta's post I'd feel a lot better about it. | ||
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On January 05 2013 04:33 OmniEulogy wrote: Also spag I only read your last post as writing this and I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you have this made up illusion that I have something against you because of NMM XXXIII. Get over it. You are trying to get people to think that we can't agree on anything and that our opinions will always be different. As I know I am town, I can only see it as a move to try to divide townies and get us to lose faith in each other, please stop or I'll assume its scum motivated instead of you dwelling too much on the past. I truthfully have no clue what goes on in your mind in regards to me personally and don't really care. You need to stop dwelling on what ever it is. I have a town read on you, that's all. why are you trying to make it seem weird? lol I also only mentioned we aren't a scum team. How you get overly defensive of that is a mystery on its own. You can be scum by yourself all you want, I just stated I'm not scum I'm town and if you are scum I'm not with you. Seriously stop trying to make things up between us it's getting really weird. lol | ||
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On January 05 2013 12:26 Mocsta wrote: Your case against StriX sucked. I commented about it in my case... you obviously didn't read it. Cora null, you have got to be joking. Cora is playing more pro-town than me; if you can't see that, you are obviously scum OmniEulogy. do you know how to post facts or only your personal opinions mocsta? So far this game its a severe letdown. Cora's been playing extremely well and I didn't even remotely come close to calling him scum did I? Get over yourself, Your opinions are not facts. | ||
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On January 05 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote: It is answered now.. Thus the below stands... I should add that I'm not targeting TeMiL as a scum suspect. I asked him those questions to get him to contribute. I believe trying to figure out what he is atm is useless. Maybe after he answers those questions we'll be able to have some sort of read but I'm not getting my hopes up. Just Keep thinking what you will though. | ||
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If anybody is around while I am writing I'll be refreshing this page periodically for the next few hours. | ||
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He also made one post that interests me a bit. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 10:31 Spaghetticus wrote: I'm not sure if this is an exact repeat of the 1:1 hypothesis from XXXIII, as I was dead and only skimmed over it. Basically, unless we have very bold scum, I believe there was at most one scum voting for StiX. This means that if Jamp, Omni, or Corazon flip scum, you can increase your town reads on the other two. I do not include myself in this equation so as to remove the possibility of scum motive from my post. I am not implying you should discount me if any of these three flip scum, and if I flip scum, you should completely ignore this post. This also does not imply that there was definitely one scum on the StiX wagon. There could be two distributed among Jami and Omni. It does imply that there was at least one voting for either Jami or Omni, though this is not a very strong claim. I bolded what I found odd. Would a town Spag want us to waste time on him when he knows he is town? Would he not try and prove to us that he is town by his previous actions at this point and say that he was removed because he believes he has given us a good indication that he is town because of (x) reason. I'm not sure if I like him saying "if I flip scum ignore me". He should know if he will flip scum or not. As a townie I would have said "If I get lynched and when I flip town I hope you believe me". What he has said almost seems like a difference in how you think when you are pretending to be something and when you actually are. However I believe I'm over-analyzing it. | ||
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I'll start off by trying to be as straight forward as possible. When I said I would like to see StriX in D2, I meant that because of the reputation that had been given to him, I expected some good analytical points to come out from him and never did. He was my top scum read and stayed that way until he flipped town. I have said multiple times I would not vote for TeMiL, if I wasn't voting for StriX my vote would have gone on Zare. Things that bother me during and after the voting stage First off the lack of some votes being explained is concerning. Zare and Spag both switched their votes without explaining why they were voting the way they were. They didn't post reasons for not voting for the others or try to convince people to lynch their target. Zare simply voted for me and left, promising an explanation that never came. Spag gave some lead up for why he would vote for StriX but I'd like to hear it again from him in more detail. Was it just a lurker lynch? Jampi had left prior to the vote but did not strengthen what he believed to be a weak case against StriX and had plenty of time to do so. He actually has barely said anything about the subject and even in his summary it is just a post about the chronological order of how things happened. It's helpful for sure but has no new information and very few of his own thoughts are presented. His last post has been On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote: @Mocsta Do you still think Omni is scum? If you do, please pressure him more. Mocsta made a MONSTER of a case against me, even if I don't like it the amount of time he spent on it and the amount of time I had to spend addressing it were quite large. I believe asking him to pressure me more is scummy. I would have welcomed it if YOU had pressured me for answers, but why make Mocsta continue while you sit back and continue to lurk? This has just made you my top scum read at the moment. You made a weak case against a now confirmed townie, did not pursue it but instead let me and others pressure him further, and now that he got lynched you try to deflect the entire thing onto me? scum play. @Mocsta This was my thought process behind the case you made against me. StriX was scum in my mind with an hour left, you made a large case on me to try and flip the votes around, I believed you were possibly scum who had convinced everybody that you were town and this was your case to save your scum mate. It would have made sense considering you had only voted for TeMiL up to that point which was an extremely safe move, and most of your contribution has been in getting town to talk to eachother (which is also what gives you a strong town read). I wouldn't put it over you to be scum and controlling town though. Think of it as a compliment in a way. I no longer believe that you can be scum and I believe that you are the strongest town player we have at the moment. As you clearly tried to save a townie by making a case against somebody you believe (incorrectly I might add) to be scum. Fair play and I welcome it as we continue through this game. Your case was also why I would have disagreed that scum did not try to intervene with the vote, I was also worried that if you were town and 1 scum was on myself and the other being StriX, you would have given him the perfect excuse to change his votes during the last moments. I don't have much to say on Cora, the difference in this game and the last blows my mind, confirmed town. Syl's play reminds me of his town game in NMM XXXIII as well. I could never get a good read on him and I'm having difficulties this game as well. @Syl To answer your question about StriX, I really wanted to see what he would bring to the table, but after my mistake in XXXIII I didn't want to change my vote because of somebody elses case. I ended up missing a scum lynch D1 because of it and got Spag killed. I wanted to try to avoid that and stick with my own top scum read this game. Unfortunately I made a mistake. | ||
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Forgot bold. Also, just got up, the time difference is really hurting us this game. | ||
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I highly doubt town JK would hit me though instead of protecting Mocsta/Cora so it must have been scum RB OR both of them as JK was confused and didn't know who to stop. All of it is just speculation though. If you were town JK would you really pick me over protecting one of the stronger townies? Syl and Spag seem to think its possible but we all agree that it would be a pretty bad move. | ||
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Put yourself in the shoes of Cop N1, who do you think they would check and why? I'm curious in how people would think in that situation given that I am being looked at quite closely as scum. Would you check me to see if I am scum to confirm it, or assume I am and try to find a hidden scum in the lurkers / more active townies? | ||
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Why are you so against giving out your thoughts on the matter? You already have a vote on you, clear up some of the concerns voiced and give us your opinion. | ||
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anyway considering you don't seem to want to continue the conversation... + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2013 05:09 jampidampi wrote: @Omni I though it was not advised to talk about who a cop would target? Since then the mafia could bluehunt more efectively. If they know for example that a cop would target you, and then someone makes case against you and player C comes in and defends you against the case, wouldn't that make player C a good candidate for the cop and thus a candidate for the following nightkill? How does this apply to what I've asked? A case has already been made on me, if people want to defend me like Cora did (partially) I would more than welcome it. If people want to continue to ask me questions I also welcome that as well. What I don't understand is why you want to try and stop people from seeing each others thought process and stop the only conversation that has happened today. If you don't like it, come up with something else instead of going afk again. Help Town. Contribute. | ||
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Personally I think Jampi looks like the easiest target for the lynch. However if this is true with who I've identified as town it also means TeMiL roughly has as you said (maybe.. I'm tired) a 50% chance of being scum. so if we look at it as jampi, spag and zare and only 1 scum among them, I think I'd pick Jampi. I'm gonna go get a drink and then on my way back to bed I'll see if anybody else is awake. Idk how long I'll be up either way though lol and if this makes less sense than normal... well... I'm tired | ||
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I'll go over it more in a few hours but yeah. Also I never really noticed this but if you look at Jampi's filter the person he responded to the most and was pressured by the most was Cora. Cora gets killed before there is any real conclusion. Anyway I'm off to bed cya. | ||
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I can't count the number of strange mistakes you've made this game and odd questions that imply you haven't read the OP. You want to talk about sheeping, your switch to StriX from TeMiL is the biggest sheep in the game so far along with Zare on me. | ||
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on StriX, I made up my mind on who to vote for as I was writing it so it sounded a bit weird. I realized that if I was going to write everything I was going to I would actually run out of players and wouldn't be voting for any of them, so I took my top scum read and voted for him. My mention of association was because I wanted people to realize that StriX was not being lynched without being defended. Somebody WAS trying to prevent his lynch and claiming that scum wasn't making a fuss. That in itself could be taken as scum trying to save him and get me lynched in his place D1. Unlike NMM XXXIII I didn't have a town read on StriX (as opposed to Shz) and I will never let myself get lynched for somebody I don't believe is town. You claim Jampi is ONLY the easiest lynch? He's also my top scum read. I worked it out for you while I was half asleep but didn't make the full case... cause I was half asleep. Trying to read any further into that and then saying "not a case" Well no shit sherlock I wanted to go back to bed. lol. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:33 Sylencia wrote: Actually, I don't understand the ONLY in that sentence. Top. Scum. Read. He's not the easiest because there are no other factors. It's the easiest because out of everybody he's easily the scummiest player in the game and has the highest chance of being scum. Put it in context of the conversation over the last few pages. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:46 Sylencia wrote: Right, the wording of that statement just now was kinda weird to me, since I understood it completely differently to what you meant. You could have used "most correct lynch", "most scummy player", "scummiest". Why did you use "easiest"? It's actually a horrible word to use when town when talking about lynches, and if you were saying he's easily the scummiest player, the sentence did not exactly convey that meaning. sorry Yeah I'm actually writing it on another page right now Mocsta | ||
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I'll start off with his very first post and my thoughts behind it + Show Spoiler + jampidampi Finland. January 03 2013 22:46. Posts 42 PM Profile Report Quote # filter + Show Spoiler + I don't think we can call anyone a lurker yet. It has been only 12 hours since the game started, and no analysis/cases have been posted. Once we get a case rolling, be it a scum or town read, we can get discussion and opinions. The only action so far is Mocstas vote for cDgcorazon based on metaread from the one game he played earlier. I'm reading through Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII to get an idea the meta of others. Expect some analysis in while. As to why you shouldn't lynch the current me: I prefer only to post if it has a meaning. Answearing questing and asking them. Sharing my reads on someone. Unnecessary spam just clutters the thread and hides important post. StriX is certainly a person worth questioning. Using your own newbines as an argument is usually associated with being scum, not to mention he hasn't posted much. He has no contributions to speak of. So StriX: - Who are analysing/suspecting? - Do you have any prior mafia experience outside TL? @All Keep the spam like weather updates out of this thread. It only helps the mafia. He has certaintly stayed true to his posting policy, the problem being that almost nothing he has posted has had any strong content or have much of a meaning. He soft claims newbie in his first post saying "this is my first time playing forum mafia..." and then in his next post hits StriX with suspicion for doing the exact same thing. This early in the game I would also mention that creating a friendly town atmosphere with a few mindless comments about the weather is only threatening to scum. They don't want a love-fest among the townies and at best the weather comment was neutral and wasn't going anywhere. It seems odd to be so opposed to it so early in the game. He follows with + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 16:26 jampidampi wrote: The OP provided the role PMs for each role. In the scum role PMs there is a direct link to the scum QT. Anyone rational would at least check out the link and post there once to get commucating between his scumpartner going. After all, mafias greatests strength is their information and the possibility of communication. It was a post of me sharing my weak town reads. I asked the coaches if I should share weak reads, but since they were slow to answear and I was impatient, I went ahead and posted it (they said I shouldn't share weak town reads). It may help others when considering who to scumhunt. I do agree that the post lacks some quality. I will write my suspicions of/questions to StriX in a separate post to make it more clear. Zarepath may just have a little bit of tunnel vision. It's good that he's bringing those points up, but I'm statisfied with the answears Sylencia gave. I have bolded what I would like to be read but feel free to go over all of it in case I've misinterpreted it. After he says he released a bunch of weak town reads and that he was told he shouldn't do that he posts this + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 17:19 jampidampi wrote: After examing StriX filter, he feels scummy. + Show Spoiler + In his first post he is only agreeing with others and repeating what others already said about the summary plan. Second post is just policy talk without actually bringing anthing new to the table. A short post just answearing a question. On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote: A bare minimun response to the question.1. Doesn't seem logical to do that so no. As you can deal with a lying or lurking town with less punishment than .5?-1 death/night. 2. No ideas yet honestly - still getting the hang of who is who. Seems like coming up with a excuse not to contribute.3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay. Accusing someone based on a nolynch policy is an easy thing to do. Next three posts are him answearing my questions about the game he played earlier. After that he takes back his suspicions of zarepath stating that Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself. even though most would agree it's a scummy moveOn January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote: Again, bare minimum response.+ Show Spoiler + (1) Have your ideas expanded on "who is who"? Please share (2) You said zarepath is your lead suspect. With the information zarepath has presented since Session 2. What are your revised thoughts? If still a target, I suggest you demonstrate your conviction with a vote; otherwise, begin to identify alternative candidates. 1. I'm starting to yes. 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. Targetting the easiest player to target: a lyrker with no contrinutions.As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil After that he claims to have contributed with an argument that he later took back. Then he posts his reads/views on everyone without actually giving any reasonings. On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote: Defends letting go of zarepaths pressure with a different playstyle.Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. I guess we have different definitions of top scum reads as I really don't feel supporting no lynch is one. Perhaps in a high level (it'd probably be a meta play there actually) game but not in newbie mafia. I guess it's easier to spot things when people point them out to you. Honestly forgot you're the one who gave me the names and neglected to check out the others in more detail. Will now be aware of the leading nature of your questions towards myself. Acknowledges that so far all his actions have been because Mocsta requested him to act.In his last post he defends his vote on TeMiL with some previous game he played. Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy. ##Vote StriX His case on StriX. Which I believe he admits to being weak later. "My case on StriX may be "weak" but nothing to me suggest that a better case can made for now." He then has his brief dispute with Cora, I tried to think of this from both perspectives and from a scum point of view I believe Cora who has been making great observations all game, and is giving a potential scum player a very hard time while making logical arguments and defending other townies from cases using the same deduction would seem extremely dangerous. I know people have complained that this is me reading too far into things but it is still a factor and should be taken into consideration. the obs QT in NMM XXXIII briefly mentioned my NK when I was pressuring Cora and made a case on FC in the process even though Mocsta was clearly the strongest town. From the scum QT's I've read they always look closest at townies who are the biggest threat and the closest to exposing them for the NK N1. Then we have + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 19:12 jampidampi wrote: I will try to gather here the big events of D1 leading to the misslynch of StriX.
@Spaghetticus You seems to have acted in a way that would allow to you to jump on any bandwagon on a lurker without atracting too much atention. I will go through your filter later today, but so far you seems very suspicious. And this seems scummy. Not giving information away is suspicious. Could you straight up tell me why you voted on StriX? @Mocsta You seem very sure that StriX would flip town. Would you mind giving your reasonings to this? Did you have a townread on him and what in his play made him look like town to you? @zarepath Yet we never saw that. Care to explain? which was prompted by Mocsta I believe. This entire post has essentially no meaning. It's one large summary and the questions at the end are mediocre at best and easy to come up with. There is no new information in the entire post. This is when I began to seriously look at Jampi as possible scum. He has still up to this point failed to contribute largely to any scum hunt, and the case he admits was weak was made on a confirmed town at this point. If he knew StriX was town it would explain why he didn't push more for his lynch but instead sat back and did not contribute and let us lynch him, as I've said previously. He even tries to say after StriX lynch that I look the most suspicious for making my case on him and pushing for his lynch when he voted for the same target first. On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote: @Mocsta Do you still think Omni is scum? If you do, please pressure him more. This blew my mind. He has done nothing up to this point. Has said I was suspicious, and AGAIN tries to force Mocsta of all people to continue to make cases on me. Did he even read Mocsta's case on me? (Mocsta's case was made before this) It's almost like he doesn't have an opinion on it, or he doesn't care. He said he like to share his opinions on people. Holy shit here's a prime opportunity to say anything he wants about me and he tries to push it onto Mocsta? Scum behavior. Massive scum read on him from this post. This has made him my #1 scum read at this point. Then we get into the JK/RB debate and the only thing he is really talking about is which set-up we might have. He never goes into detail and only corrects Syl on which roles are in which scenario. He continues to push Mocsta for his opinion on me and whether or not he thinks I am still scum. At this point I'd really hope Jampi would have his own opinion on me. FFS I even told him I would welcome any questions he had on me but he says nothing. He then tries to accuse Mocsta as being scum, I'm not against somebody trying to do this, I think Mocsta could pull it off and we'd be screwed in a newbie game but the way he does it... "I urge everyone to go through Mocstas filter and re-evaluate, if his truly is town. His only big contributions are the cases on Omni and TeMiL, which reek of utter bullshit. Other than that he has just been leading the town to the direction he wants with his questions." - Jampi Why is his case on me Bullshit? I didn't agree with a lot of it and I think most of it was personal opinion with very little facts but I have the advantage of knowing I'm town. YOU(jampi) Do not. YOU(jampi) Have claimed I was suspicious and should be looked at thoroughly and have said absolutely nothing to take that opinion back. He then promises a larger case on Mocsta and here we are. He hasn't posted a single thing after that. He has no motivation to help town and quite honestly hasn't tried to help town at all this game. He has not followed up on what he claimed he was good at in his first post. Some of these arguments are weak and some are my personal view on things but there are many facts in how he has played that make him seem like mafia. This is why I said he is easily my choice for lynch tonight. Sorry Syl I didn't explain myself out thoroughly and that is my fault. I hope this helps you see how I have come to this conclusion. | ||
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I do have a few problems with your case "Mocsta is trying to make others think for him. Asking others to do something for you is scummy." On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote: @Mocsta Do you still think Omni is scum? If you do, please pressure him more. On January 04 2013 22:26 jampidampi wrote: @StriX I have yet to see an action of yours that doesn't fall into the category of arguably scum or town. That is to say every action of yours could have scum or town motives behind them. In my mind you are the scummiest player so the vote stays. but in his case you say "Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy." Overall I think I would find your case more compelling if it weren't riddled with lies or hypocrisy. If what you say, and what I fear is true, and Mocsta is scum, this case has not convinced me. The only thing that might save you today from my vote is if Mocsta believes his read on Spag is strong enough to justify changing the vote. Otherwise my vote will be staying on you. One other thing that might save you is if you can claim JK and prove that you were the one who RB'd me. (I assume it was town as mafia RB just does NOT make sense on me.) | ||
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So do we just assume its a fake claim? | ||
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I think we should lynch Jampi. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus That's enough to make me believe he's fake claiming. I'll keep going through to find all of it and post it for you. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:59 Spaghetticus wrote: I am going to bed. My preferred candidates are Omni, Zare, and TeMiL, and I will settle for any of them. I'll try and get up in three hours so I can influence the lynch if it is not going the way I intend. I have certain changes to my plan if particular events happen. | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:40 Mocsta wrote: DONT ASSUME ZARE IS TOWN Hiw behaviour has been odd. I called him out he has ignored. Rhis could be a gambit to make zarepare look good yeah I'm taking that into consideration as well. Although this still doesn't make Jampi look any better and if Spag does flip town then it'll clear Zare. I guess we'll deal with that when it happens. | ||
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I'd like to start off by saying I believe Spag was right about Jampi and TeMiL. I've said it several times myself and nothing that has happened recently has changed that. Jampi waits until after we lynch Spag to say anything, if he was town he would have made his defense and posted it before the lynching. Scum now feels no pressure so he had all the time in the world to write up his defense. I believe TeMiL is the 2nd scum in this game, he voted for Jampi to try and hide the fact that they were together. Not very hard to do when you post 1 time a day in the first place but oh well. I am also claiming jail keeper. If you think about it, it's not very hard to see, I did that intentionally after getting role blocked N1 to try and throw a bone to our cop. It is also why I started to talk to Jampi about the possibility of a cop being in the game, I knew there was one. It's also why I was so nervous about lynching Spag due to no counter-claim. However him still trying to put Zare on the list after knowing he was town was so strange. I figured it was 50/50 between him and TeMiL at that point and figured we got unlucky and TeMiL got cop. Sadly this was not the case. Anyway N1 I hit Mocsta with my night action. I really really really regret saying I was role blocked as quickly as I did, if Mocsta is scum role blocker I blew the best chance to find out, and as soon as I hit enter on my post I realized that. dumb mistake. I also asked the question if RB and JK could both target the same person, again as a way to try and reach out to our cop. I was JK so I knew he was in the game. Cop knows I got RB'd which means unless I'm fake claiming he'll immediately know what set-up we are playing in. Unfortunately it didn't work exactly as I had intended. I believe Spag picked up on these things and realized I knew something but wasn't entirely convinced it wasn't because I was scum. Anyway I'm sorry for the WALL of text but I don't want this to be read quickly at the end of this night and allow for a last minute vote change. Here's hoping I guess correctly tonight I'll be targeting the player from my 80th post, 46th line (not counting spoilers or quotes) and eight words in. On the off chance scum would have time to change their vote at the last minute if I am correct I'd just like to say fuck you, good luck changing it now I should also mention my posts regarding if I could talk about what the coach told me. This is because with 2 hours left Spag claimed, I was told that two hours would be the appropriate time to give town enough room to discuss it properly. This matched with what Spag did and made me think he had received the same advice.Oh yeah, I'm just going to throw this in there but I did breadcrumb myself for N1. While I was talking to Mocsta + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 13:04 OmniEulogy wrote: I should add that I'm not targeting TeMiL as a scum suspect. I asked him those questions to get him to contribute. I believe trying to figure out what he is atm is useless. Maybe after he answers those questions we'll be able to have some sort of read but I'm not getting my hopes up. Just Keep thinking what you will though. My last advice would be to go after Jampi and TeMiL. Mocsta scum means they have won at this point. and if I don't die tonight and give us an extra day, we'll still be highly pressured. This doesn't say much about my reads ect. because I feel scum is def. Jampi and TeMiL. Also sorry about not posting till the deadline. I wanted to try and place a bit of suspicion in scum if I was really the jail keeper or not. If I get roleblocked again it'll be unfortunate, if I get killed, even worse lol I will say though that Mocsta scum would not make sense unless he's very good at pretending to be mad. It's very easy to see a strong player as a scum player in these newbie games. Again, sorry for the wall of text. | ||
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