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He also made one post that interests me a bit. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 10:31 Spaghetticus wrote: I'm not sure if this is an exact repeat of the 1:1 hypothesis from XXXIII, as I was dead and only skimmed over it. Basically, unless we have very bold scum, I believe there was at most one scum voting for StiX. This means that if Jamp, Omni, or Corazon flip scum, you can increase your town reads on the other two. I do not include myself in this equation so as to remove the possibility of scum motive from my post. I am not implying you should discount me if any of these three flip scum, and if I flip scum, you should completely ignore this post. This also does not imply that there was definitely one scum on the StiX wagon. There could be two distributed among Jami and Omni. It does imply that there was at least one voting for either Jami or Omni, though this is not a very strong claim. I bolded what I found odd. Would a town Spag want us to waste time on him when he knows he is town? Would he not try and prove to us that he is town by his previous actions at this point and say that he was removed because he believes he has given us a good indication that he is town because of (x) reason. I'm not sure if I like him saying "if I flip scum ignore me". He should know if he will flip scum or not. As a townie I would have said "If I get lynched and when I flip town I hope you believe me". What he has said almost seems like a difference in how you think when you are pretending to be something and when you actually are. However I believe I'm over-analyzing it. | ||
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I'll start off by trying to be as straight forward as possible. When I said I would like to see StriX in D2, I meant that because of the reputation that had been given to him, I expected some good analytical points to come out from him and never did. He was my top scum read and stayed that way until he flipped town. I have said multiple times I would not vote for TeMiL, if I wasn't voting for StriX my vote would have gone on Zare. Things that bother me during and after the voting stage First off the lack of some votes being explained is concerning. Zare and Spag both switched their votes without explaining why they were voting the way they were. They didn't post reasons for not voting for the others or try to convince people to lynch their target. Zare simply voted for me and left, promising an explanation that never came. Spag gave some lead up for why he would vote for StriX but I'd like to hear it again from him in more detail. Was it just a lurker lynch? Jampi had left prior to the vote but did not strengthen what he believed to be a weak case against StriX and had plenty of time to do so. He actually has barely said anything about the subject and even in his summary it is just a post about the chronological order of how things happened. It's helpful for sure but has no new information and very few of his own thoughts are presented. His last post has been On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote: @Mocsta Do you still think Omni is scum? If you do, please pressure him more. Mocsta made a MONSTER of a case against me, even if I don't like it the amount of time he spent on it and the amount of time I had to spend addressing it were quite large. I believe asking him to pressure me more is scummy. I would have welcomed it if YOU had pressured me for answers, but why make Mocsta continue while you sit back and continue to lurk? This has just made you my top scum read at the moment. You made a weak case against a now confirmed townie, did not pursue it but instead let me and others pressure him further, and now that he got lynched you try to deflect the entire thing onto me? scum play. @Mocsta This was my thought process behind the case you made against me. StriX was scum in my mind with an hour left, you made a large case on me to try and flip the votes around, I believed you were possibly scum who had convinced everybody that you were town and this was your case to save your scum mate. It would have made sense considering you had only voted for TeMiL up to that point which was an extremely safe move, and most of your contribution has been in getting town to talk to eachother (which is also what gives you a strong town read). I wouldn't put it over you to be scum and controlling town though. Think of it as a compliment in a way. I no longer believe that you can be scum and I believe that you are the strongest town player we have at the moment. As you clearly tried to save a townie by making a case against somebody you believe (incorrectly I might add) to be scum. Fair play and I welcome it as we continue through this game. Your case was also why I would have disagreed that scum did not try to intervene with the vote, I was also worried that if you were town and 1 scum was on myself and the other being StriX, you would have given him the perfect excuse to change his votes during the last moments. I don't have much to say on Cora, the difference in this game and the last blows my mind, confirmed town. Syl's play reminds me of his town game in NMM XXXIII as well. I could never get a good read on him and I'm having difficulties this game as well. @Syl To answer your question about StriX, I really wanted to see what he would bring to the table, but after my mistake in XXXIII I didn't want to change my vote because of somebody elses case. I ended up missing a scum lynch D1 because of it and got Spag killed. I wanted to try to avoid that and stick with my own top scum read this game. Unfortunately I made a mistake. | ||
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Forgot bold. Also, just got up, the time difference is really hurting us this game. | ||
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 and thanks for the information. | ||
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I highly doubt town JK would hit me though instead of protecting Mocsta/Cora so it must have been scum RB OR both of them as JK was confused and didn't know who to stop. All of it is just speculation though. If you were town JK would you really pick me over protecting one of the stronger townies? Syl and Spag seem to think its possible but we all agree that it would be a pretty bad move. | ||
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Put yourself in the shoes of Cop N1, who do you think they would check and why? I'm curious in how people would think in that situation given that I am being looked at quite closely as scum. Would you check me to see if I am scum to confirm it, or assume I am and try to find a hidden scum in the lurkers / more active townies? | ||
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Why are you so against giving out your thoughts on the matter? You already have a vote on you, clear up some of the concerns voiced and give us your opinion. | ||
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anyway considering you don't seem to want to continue the conversation... + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2013 05:09 jampidampi wrote: @Omni I though it was not advised to talk about who a cop would target? Since then the mafia could bluehunt more efectively. If they know for example that a cop would target you, and then someone makes case against you and player C comes in and defends you against the case, wouldn't that make player C a good candidate for the cop and thus a candidate for the following nightkill? How does this apply to what I've asked? A case has already been made on me, if people want to defend me like Cora did (partially) I would more than welcome it. If people want to continue to ask me questions I also welcome that as well. What I don't understand is why you want to try and stop people from seeing each others thought process and stop the only conversation that has happened today. If you don't like it, come up with something else instead of going afk again. Help Town. Contribute. | ||
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Personally I think Jampi looks like the easiest target for the lynch. However if this is true with who I've identified as town it also means TeMiL roughly has as you said (maybe.. I'm tired) a 50% chance of being scum. so if we look at it as jampi, spag and zare and only 1 scum among them, I think I'd pick Jampi. I'm gonna go get a drink and then on my way back to bed I'll see if anybody else is awake. Idk how long I'll be up either way though lol and if this makes less sense than normal... well... I'm tired | ||
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I'll go over it more in a few hours but yeah. Also I never really noticed this but if you look at Jampi's filter the person he responded to the most and was pressured by the most was Cora. Cora gets killed before there is any real conclusion. Anyway I'm off to bed cya. | ||
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I can't count the number of strange mistakes you've made this game and odd questions that imply you haven't read the OP. You want to talk about sheeping, your switch to StriX from TeMiL is the biggest sheep in the game so far along with Zare on me. | ||
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on StriX, I made up my mind on who to vote for as I was writing it so it sounded a bit weird. I realized that if I was going to write everything I was going to I would actually run out of players and wouldn't be voting for any of them, so I took my top scum read and voted for him. My mention of association was because I wanted people to realize that StriX was not being lynched without being defended. Somebody WAS trying to prevent his lynch and claiming that scum wasn't making a fuss. That in itself could be taken as scum trying to save him and get me lynched in his place D1. Unlike NMM XXXIII I didn't have a town read on StriX (as opposed to Shz) and I will never let myself get lynched for somebody I don't believe is town. You claim Jampi is ONLY the easiest lynch? He's also my top scum read. I worked it out for you while I was half asleep but didn't make the full case... cause I was half asleep. Trying to read any further into that and then saying "not a case" Well no shit sherlock I wanted to go back to bed. lol. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:33 Sylencia wrote: Actually, I don't understand the ONLY in that sentence. Top. Scum. Read. He's not the easiest because there are no other factors. It's the easiest because out of everybody he's easily the scummiest player in the game and has the highest chance of being scum. Put it in context of the conversation over the last few pages. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:46 Sylencia wrote: Right, the wording of that statement just now was kinda weird to me, since I understood it completely differently to what you meant. You could have used "most correct lynch", "most scummy player", "scummiest". Why did you use "easiest"? It's actually a horrible word to use when town when talking about lynches, and if you were saying he's easily the scummiest player, the sentence did not exactly convey that meaning. sorry  Yeah I'm actually writing it on another page right now Mocsta  | ||
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I'll start off with his very first post and my thoughts behind it + Show Spoiler + jampidampi Finland. January 03 2013 22:46. Posts 42 PM Profile Report Quote # filter + Show Spoiler + I don't think we can call anyone a lurker yet. It has been only 12 hours since the game started, and no analysis/cases have been posted. Once we get a case rolling, be it a scum or town read, we can get discussion and opinions. The only action so far is Mocstas vote for cDgcorazon based on metaread from the one game he played earlier. I'm reading through Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII to get an idea the meta of others. Expect some analysis in while. As to why you shouldn't lynch the current me: I prefer only to post if it has a meaning. Answearing questing and asking them. Sharing my reads on someone. Unnecessary spam just clutters the thread and hides important post. StriX is certainly a person worth questioning. Using your own newbines as an argument is usually associated with being scum, not to mention he hasn't posted much. He has no contributions to speak of. So StriX: - Who are analysing/suspecting? - Do you have any prior mafia experience outside TL? @All Keep the spam like weather updates out of this thread. It only helps the mafia. He has certaintly stayed true to his posting policy, the problem being that almost nothing he has posted has had any strong content or have much of a meaning. He soft claims newbie in his first post saying "this is my first time playing forum mafia..." and then in his next post hits StriX with suspicion for doing the exact same thing. This early in the game I would also mention that creating a friendly town atmosphere with a few mindless comments about the weather is only threatening to scum. They don't want a love-fest among the townies and at best the weather comment was neutral and wasn't going anywhere. It seems odd to be so opposed to it so early in the game. He follows with + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 16:26 jampidampi wrote: The OP provided the role PMs for each role. In the scum role PMs there is a direct link to the scum QT. Anyone rational would at least check out the link and post there once to get commucating between his scumpartner going. After all, mafias greatests strength is their information and the possibility of communication. It was a post of me sharing my weak town reads. I asked the coaches if I should share weak reads, but since they were slow to answear and I was impatient, I went ahead and posted it (they said I shouldn't share weak town reads). It may help others when considering who to scumhunt. I do agree that the post lacks some quality. I will write my suspicions of/questions to StriX in a separate post to make it more clear. Zarepath may just have a little bit of tunnel vision. It's good that he's bringing those points up, but I'm statisfied with the answears Sylencia gave. I have bolded what I would like to be read but feel free to go over all of it in case I've misinterpreted it. After he says he released a bunch of weak town reads and that he was told he shouldn't do that he posts this + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 17:19 jampidampi wrote: After examing StriX filter, he feels scummy. + Show Spoiler + In his first post he is only agreeing with others and repeating what others already said about the summary plan. Second post is just policy talk without actually bringing anthing new to the table. A short post just answearing a question. On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote: A bare minimun response to the question.1. Doesn't seem logical to do that so no. As you can deal with a lying or lurking town with less punishment than .5?-1 death/night. 2. No ideas yet honestly - still getting the hang of who is who. Seems like coming up with a excuse not to contribute.3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay. Accusing someone based on a nolynch policy is an easy thing to do. Next three posts are him answearing my questions about the game he played earlier. After that he takes back his suspicions of zarepath stating that Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself. even though most would agree it's a scummy moveOn January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote: Again, bare minimum response.+ Show Spoiler + (1) Have your ideas expanded on "who is who"? Please share (2) You said zarepath is your lead suspect. With the information zarepath has presented since Session 2. What are your revised thoughts? If still a target, I suggest you demonstrate your conviction with a vote; otherwise, begin to identify alternative candidates. 1. I'm starting to yes. 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. Targetting the easiest player to target: a lyrker with no contrinutions.As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil After that he claims to have contributed with an argument that he later took back. Then he posts his reads/views on everyone without actually giving any reasonings. On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote: Defends letting go of zarepaths pressure with a different playstyle.Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. I guess we have different definitions of top scum reads as I really don't feel supporting no lynch is one. Perhaps in a high level (it'd probably be a meta play there actually) game but not in newbie mafia. I guess it's easier to spot things when people point them out to you. Honestly forgot you're the one who gave me the names and neglected to check out the others in more detail. Will now be aware of the leading nature of your questions towards myself. Acknowledges that so far all his actions have been because Mocsta requested him to act.In his last post he defends his vote on TeMiL with some previous game he played. Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy. ##Vote StriX His case on StriX. Which I believe he admits to being weak later. "My case on StriX may be "weak" but nothing to me suggest that a better case can made for now." He then has his brief dispute with Cora, I tried to think of this from both perspectives and from a scum point of view I believe Cora who has been making great observations all game, and is giving a potential scum player a very hard time while making logical arguments and defending other townies from cases using the same deduction would seem extremely dangerous. I know people have complained that this is me reading too far into things but it is still a factor and should be taken into consideration. the obs QT in NMM XXXIII briefly mentioned my NK when I was pressuring Cora and made a case on FC in the process even though Mocsta was clearly the strongest town. From the scum QT's I've read they always look closest at townies who are the biggest threat and the closest to exposing them for the NK N1. Then we have + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 19:12 jampidampi wrote: I will try to gather here the big events of D1 leading to the misslynch of StriX.
@Spaghetticus You seems to have acted in a way that would allow to you to jump on any bandwagon on a lurker without atracting too much atention. I will go through your filter later today, but so far you seems very suspicious. And this seems scummy. Not giving information away is suspicious. Could you straight up tell me why you voted on StriX? @Mocsta You seem very sure that StriX would flip town. Would you mind giving your reasonings to this? Did you have a townread on him and what in his play made him look like town to you? @zarepath Yet we never saw that. Care to explain? which was prompted by Mocsta I believe. This entire post has essentially no meaning. It's one large summary and the questions at the end are mediocre at best and easy to come up with. There is no new information in the entire post. This is when I began to seriously look at Jampi as possible scum. He has still up to this point failed to contribute largely to any scum hunt, and the case he admits was weak was made on a confirmed town at this point. If he knew StriX was town it would explain why he didn't push more for his lynch but instead sat back and did not contribute and let us lynch him, as I've said previously. He even tries to say after StriX lynch that I look the most suspicious for making my case on him and pushing for his lynch when he voted for the same target first. On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote: @Mocsta Do you still think Omni is scum? If you do, please pressure him more. This blew my mind. He has done nothing up to this point. Has said I was suspicious, and AGAIN tries to force Mocsta of all people to continue to make cases on me. Did he even read Mocsta's case on me? (Mocsta's case was made before this) It's almost like he doesn't have an opinion on it, or he doesn't care. He said he like to share his opinions on people. Holy shit here's a prime opportunity to say anything he wants about me and he tries to push it onto Mocsta? Scum behavior. Massive scum read on him from this post. This has made him my #1 scum read at this point. Then we get into the JK/RB debate and the only thing he is really talking about is which set-up we might have. He never goes into detail and only corrects Syl on which roles are in which scenario. He continues to push Mocsta for his opinion on me and whether or not he thinks I am still scum. At this point I'd really hope Jampi would have his own opinion on me. FFS I even told him I would welcome any questions he had on me but he says nothing. He then tries to accuse Mocsta as being scum, I'm not against somebody trying to do this, I think Mocsta could pull it off and we'd be screwed in a newbie game but the way he does it... "I urge everyone to go through Mocstas filter and re-evaluate, if his truly is town. His only big contributions are the cases on Omni and TeMiL, which reek of utter bullshit. Other than that he has just been leading the town to the direction he wants with his questions." - Jampi Why is his case on me Bullshit? I didn't agree with a lot of it and I think most of it was personal opinion with very little facts but I have the advantage of knowing I'm town. YOU(jampi) Do not. YOU(jampi) Have claimed I was suspicious and should be looked at thoroughly and have said absolutely nothing to take that opinion back. He then promises a larger case on Mocsta and here we are. He hasn't posted a single thing after that. He has no motivation to help town and quite honestly hasn't tried to help town at all this game. He has not followed up on what he claimed he was good at in his first post. Some of these arguments are weak and some are my personal view on things but there are many facts in how he has played that make him seem like mafia. This is why I said he is easily my choice for lynch tonight. Sorry Syl I didn't explain myself out thoroughly and that is my fault. I hope this helps you see how I have come to this conclusion. | ||
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