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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 16 2012 19:03 GMT
#581
@austin:

What about my read on marv?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 16 2012 19:10 GMT
#582
I've been delving deeper into BH. This time I consulted my maps, cross referenced them, and went through his relationship's filters as well for more context.

Here are the maps again with his lines colored:
+ Show Spoiler +
Day1
[image loading]
Day2
[image loading]


Day 1: Positivity from Austin and Hassy. Suspicion from Sandroba and Yamato. Scum read from Palmar.

Day 2: No positivity from anyone. Suspicion from Keirathi. Scum read from Palmar. Scum read from Risen.

So what happened from day to day? Why does no one support him any more? First I looked at the positive relationships that were lost: Austin and Hassybaby.

Austin: Positively responding to BH's suspicion of me. No more interactions after that.
Hassybaby: BH was supporting Hassybaby's swap. No more interactions after that.

It feels as if their relationships were little more than simply shallow speculation discussions. Not a big surprise that they no longer interacting. Now on to the rest of his relationships:

Yamato: Argues with BH about swap tactics. Defensively attacks BH for a weak case on him. Overall a negative interaction, however pretty tame accusations.
Sandroba: Flat out accuses BH as scum. Defends me against BH's case. Died later that night.
Palmar: Comes to my defense and blindly accuses BH of scum. Currently is expressing his support for a BH lynch.
Keirathi: Defends me from BH. Defends Randombumb's case from BH. Begins to show his anti-dino support, and positively credits BH with the accusation. Looks to BH for Mementoss info. Agrees with BH on Risen read. Attacks BH's read on Yamato. Things start to get heated between them and Keir drops the 'f' bomb. Ultimately a shaky relationship.
Risen: Immediately after BH from the get-go. Pushes for mementos lynch, but suggests we hit BH soon. Cautiously talks about BH, despite BH earlier defending Risen.

It's clear to me that BH needs to be at the top of our scumdars. His fervor and passion about my scummyness is so extreme that I can't help but feel more sure about BH flipping scum than Mementoss. That being said, I'm going to change my vote.

##Unvote (iGrok): Mementoss
##Vote: Blazinghand
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
December 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#583
@Austin

I was super swapped because my role didn't change. I'm assuming that risen and I swap in the same manner, e.g. if he is super swapped, I am super swapped. (Also, didn't clarity already say that his ability is a super swap?)
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#584
@austin:

I'm really not sure. He's seemed pretty disinterested but....he hasn't really been pushing an agenda either. When he was caught in GSL 3, it wasn't really because he wasn't invested in the game, it was because the investment he had was tunneling the fuck out of 2 people and ignoring everyone else, which is something I've never seen town marv do. This game isn't like that at all though. He's been pretty suspicious of everyone, but still uninvested overall. My gut tells me "who the fuck knows?" But my head tells me that I still think Dieno and Foolishness are the 2 scum from that world, which would make marv not mafia.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 16 2012 19:20 GMT
#585
@austin:

Who knows? Its possible. I don't think it matters a ton at this point, because I think we need to be finding mafia. There was only 1 NK, so its possible any third party doesn't have KP, or maybe conditional KP (ala Crossfire in Aperture 2) or whatever. But I don't think its highest priority right now.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
December 16 2012 19:25 GMT
#586
@Austin

Ok. I see what you're saying. All I know is that I was super swapped. I'm assuming that it is because Risen was super swapped.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
December 16 2012 19:35 GMT
#587
@Austin

I think Sandroba had the ability to regular swap people using his night action.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 16 2012 20:03 GMT
#588
Lol Risen. I put a lot time and effort into my reads last night and today. It breaks my heart that you quickly dismiss all of it in one sentence.

Lynch me if you want, I'm tired of defending myself. My vote stays on Blazinghand.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 16 2012 20:09 GMT
#589
I don't like a single thing Dieno has posted. His biggest commitment is to a read on BH that I do not share. All of his other "reads" seem to point out suspicious stuff in people's filters and then arrive at the conclusion that they are town. His choice for scum read seems calculated, something I do not see as a town quality. His actual post where he votes for BH is hilariously weak and full of "this person defended me against BH" which makes me think he is more interested in his own survival than actually finding scum, a read that I had on him in the other thread on lynch day. Overall I feel like he is a good lynch today.

##Unvote
##Vote (iGrok): Dienosore
Writer@WriterYamato
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 16 2012 20:19 GMT
#590
but bh is scum y u heff to b mad yamatoo?
Computer says mafia
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 16 2012 20:27 GMT
#591
Palomar, you want to prove that because Dieno is not convincing.
Writer@WriterYamato
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 16 2012 20:44 GMT
#592
Yamato mad because I dismantled him in my investigation.

I am not concerned with his vote on me. If what he said was true and everyone who he suspected was scum, that would be 10 people, over half of the game, flipping red.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 16 2012 20:53 GMT
#593
I am hardly mad. I call them like I see them, and I see you as scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 16 2012 20:57 GMT
#594
when is this deadline? tonight?
Computer says mafia
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 16 2012 20:58 GMT
#595
On December 17 2012 05:57 Palmar wrote:
when is this deadline? tonight?

I think in like 3 hours
Writer@WriterYamato
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
December 16 2012 21:06 GMT
#596
Alright I am back. + Show Spoiler +
Made quarterfinals, made 600$, proof can be provided if you think im just lying to lurk


I did not really miss much probably total 15 pages in both games but some things of significance have happened.

My updated read on Yamato:
Despite some disputes me and yamato got into early, his play has seemed to shape up lately. The reason I am starting to think he is town is because he didn't let todays lynch go like yesterdays, with a number of people voting someone for little to no reason.

On December 16 2012 14:41 yamato77 wrote:
Let's see this Mementoss case. Three or more people have called him scum now and no real reasoning has been given.


Scum would have took this opportunity to vote me afk and than leave the default lynch as me and get an easy mislynch. The fact that yamato didnt and pointed this out makes me think he is actually town. His play has also become more focused on finding scum rather than just putting scum tag on everyone that does something he doesn't like. I also agree with his scum reads for the most part.

Well since I have a town read on Yamato I will unvote him. But who do I think is the best lynch today?

Deinosore

Day 1:
+ Show Spoiler +
Shit I cant use other world quotes T_T

To summarize, after foolishness was no longer an option to vote, dienosores vote was based solely on sandrobas read. He could give no other reasoning other than they are less active than most.

He than goes onto to say we need to lynch outside of austins "town list". He states I think Marv has a good chance of scum, but I wont vote him because he is good if hes town, kenpachi has done nothing leaving my vote there.

Next he changes his vote onto Austinmcc, going back on his idea of trusting the "town list" at least for day 1 and this lynch. His reasoning... None. None at all. He changes to austinmcc based on a case that marv makes, but just earlier he stated how he thought marv could be scum. So why is he listening to marv? His mind is all over the place because I think he is faking ideas and opinions.

After asked he makes a bad reasoning for voting austin after the fact, basically along the lines of after town had no idea who to lynch somebody makes some conversation about who to lynch based on a detective power. It made no sense look it up. If anything it made austin look more town imo.

When being accused of not explaining his reads by keirathi he basically says, I made reads dude, plus Im a total noob at this game of course im gunna sheep marv and sandroba.


Day 2

+ Show Spoiler +
This is where I was really convinced that Deino was scum, it is similar attiude/actions to day 1, except a bit more extreme.

He makes it clear early that he is suspicious of keirathi and BH, concludes keirathi is doing some weird shit but not scum and than says BH could be scum but hes not sure. Than out of nowhere, he sheeps Risen. Only reason? Because Risen thinks hes town.:

On December 16 2012 15:30 Dienosore wrote:
Ty for the support, Risen. In the spirit of reciprocation, I shall support your mementoss movement.

##Vote (iGrok): Mementoss

I will do similar reads on mementoss and yomato tomorrow when im not so tired. Maybe that will change my vote then. but for now I stick with it


He also says this after reading my filter as a conclusion:
"I wanted this to be longer and more incriminating, but sadly it just isn't. He only has two pages of filter, and his discussion so far feels like it comes from a fairly towny place. He also has a believable excuse for not being here right now. I couldn't find anything that explicitly screams SCUM! to me. Unless someone can make a better case, (maybe Risen will step up?) I will be changing my vote once I find a better pick."

Does he move his vote to BH someone he says he has a decent scum read on? Nope. He leaves it on mementoss, after saying his filter makes me think hes town and nothing seems scummy. Crossfire comes up with a case and Dieno decides I am scum again.

At this point people are considering a dieno lynch more seriously. Deino decides to revisit the case against BH that he just earlier in the day said had a 50% chance of flipping scum. I have actually read this second case 3 times, I still dont understand how it makes BH scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 17 2012 04:10 Dienosore wrote:
I've been delving deeper into BH. This time I consulted my maps, cross referenced them, and went through his relationship's filters as well for more context.

Here are the maps again with his lines colored:
+ Show Spoiler +
Day1
[image loading]
Day2
[image loading]


Day 1: Positivity from Austin and Hassy. Suspicion from Sandroba and Yamato. Scum read from Palmar.

Day 2: No positivity from anyone. Suspicion from Keirathi. Scum read from Palmar. Scum read from Risen.

So what happened from day to day? Why does no one support him any more? First I looked at the positive relationships that were lost: Austin and Hassybaby.

Austin: Positively responding to BH's suspicion of me. No more interactions after that.
Hassybaby: BH was supporting Hassybaby's swap. No more interactions after that.

It feels as if their relationships were little more than simply shallow speculation discussions. Not a big surprise that they no longer interacting. Now on to the rest of his relationships:

Yamato: Argues with BH about swap tactics. Defensively attacks BH for a weak case on him. Overall a negative interaction, however pretty tame accusations.
Sandroba: Flat out accuses BH as scum. Defends me against BH's case. Died later that night.
Palmar: Comes to my defense and blindly accuses BH of scum. Currently is expressing his support for a BH lynch.
Keirathi: Defends me from BH. Defends Randombumb's case from BH. Begins to show his anti-dino support, and positively credits BH with the accusation. Looks to BH for Mementoss info. Agrees with BH on Risen read. Attacks BH's read on Yamato. Things start to get heated between them and Keir drops the 'f' bomb. Ultimately a shaky relationship.
Risen: Immediately after BH from the get-go. Pushes for mementos lynch, but suggests we hit BH soon. Cautiously talks about BH, despite BH earlier defending Risen.

It's clear to me that BH needs to be at the top of our scumdars. His fervor and passion about my scummyness is so extreme that I can't help but feel more sure about BH flipping scum than Mementoss. That being said, I'm going to change my vote.

##Unvote (iGrok): Mementoss
##Vote: Blazinghand



Its basically a written representation of his relationship map, however no where it says how any of this makes BH scum. It looks like it was written so dieno could look more towny and stop sheeping others reads for very weak reasons. At the conclusion it states "its clear to me that BH is at the top of my scum reads and should be yours too". But no where does dieno actually explain how these relationships make BH scum.

The most about this is the confidence switch for deino, he goes from 50% confidence to very high confidence in the BH lynch. When really BH did not post anything much after deinos first assessment. Deino does this alot in the game, and it makes me think his opinions are faked and hes scum. He did it with me, a vote on me, says I look town, than reads something and says Im scum, than switches to BH even though he thought I was scum. It just doesn't add up for me.


All that being said, I think Deino is scum, and we should lynch him today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
December 16 2012 21:08 GMT
#597
supper time will be back before lynch deadline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 16 2012 21:09 GMT
#598
It totally makes sense for Mementoss to vote for me too, considering a mislynch on me is his only chance of living tonight.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
December 16 2012 21:15 GMT
#599
Before I go, I'll leave 2 request for when I come back

1) Darkfire and clarity havent voted?? Please vote.
2) Sloosh since your here and im pretty sure you are town what are your thoughts on the lynch today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 16 2012 21:39 GMT
#600
Also Palmar is pretty scummy and useless but I think he does this as either alignment.
Writer@WriterYamato
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