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On December 16 2012 11:03 Dienosore wrote:
Omg you guys, I go away for a few hours and come back to a blue portal and a lynch mob knocking at my door. Murdering me is a terrible idea for town, and anyone who is forcefully suggesting it needs to be thoroughly investigated.
Keirathi/Blazinghand, I'm looking at you. Tonight I'm going to do nothing but drink beer, smoke some medically grown ganja, and bring the wrath of my microscope down upon your sorry scum behinds.
Prepare yourselves.
Please do.
And while you're at it, give me some comments on Mementoss and Yamato as well.
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Alright, but give me some time. I just got home from a long day of spreading christmas joy to little kids in a hospital and im pretty beat. I'll be glad to investigate Mementoss and Yamato, but you and Blazing are first on my naughty list. Plz do not try to derail me further.
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On December 16 2012 11:14 Dienosore wrote:
Alright, but give me some time. I just got home from a long day of spreading christmas joy to little kids in a hospital and im pretty beat. I'll be glad to investigate Mementoss and Yamato, but you and Blazing are first on my naughty list. Plz do not try to derail me further.
How am I derailing you? I gave you additional tasks, not told you to stop your current ones.
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Ur still doin it rite now lol stahp
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Keir I'm not sure why you are being so demanding of Dieno's reads when all you have done today is hard defend me. it was a good defense, and wholly correct, but you haven't given any scum reads yourself.
When I asked you about it you gave me a wishy washy answer that committed to nothing. What are your reads now and how have they changed?
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I kind of got sidetracked on my Mementoss case with the defending you and Dieno switching. I still want to lynch Dieno for the same reasons I wanted to lynch him yesterday.
I did give a brief explanation earlier of why I thought Mementoss was scum, though, a bit after I was switched yesterday.
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Let's see this Mementoss case. Three or more people have called him scum now and no real reasoning has been given.
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Ok guys. I promised to deliver, and here it is. First thing's first:
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Now on to the meat of my post
Read on Keirathi
+ Show Spoiler +I went through his filter and took notes. These events are in chronological order. First he starts off with a defense of me against Blazinghand, who has just accused me as scum. "For now I wouldn't want to see him lynched": + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote:
I don't think Dieno has ever played scum, but his filter feels pretty similar to his filter from Chrono where he was town. From the maps, to the weird conclusions, down tot he random aggressiveness. Of course, none of those are town-specific traits and I don't have any reference to what he would do as scum, but for now I wouldn't want to see him lynched. He then goes on to say Yamato is #2 scum after #1 Foolishness: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 07:07 Keirathi wrote:
Yamato is in second place via Foolishness. Unless you think it should be someone else. Another soft defense for me, this time against Marv: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 07:23 Keirathi wrote:
@marv: That's an awfully wishy-washy stance on Dieno. You figured he was town (with a small quip about disliking his running platform) quite early in day 1 in CT. What's different this game? Then an hour later he reverses stance and is completely sure I am totes scum should be lynched: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 08:00 Keirathi wrote:
Okay, I'm changing my mind on Dienosore. I think he should be the lynch for today.
His play is just getting more and more anti-town, not less like in Chrono. Keir then documents me agreeing with now confirmed towny Sandro, yet is still suspicious of my play: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 08:07 Keirathi wrote:
@marv:
It's basically how much he is just willing to go with popular opinion. First he was like AUSTIN SOUNDS SKETCHY. Then "Oh, I agree with sandro and marv/kenpachi should be our focus". Then sheeping you into a vote on austin. I just can't rationalize that with a town Dieno who was willing to stick his neck out in Chrono. He admits he got his anti-dino feel from Blazinghand, then blatantly accuses me as scum, which he backs up by citing the d1 play of my first mafia game ever (imo, probably not the best evidence): + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 08:41 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: It was actually BH's assessment. I'm not trying to take credit for his points on Dieno. I disagreed at first, but after another re-read of his filter and his day 1 Chrono play, I agree with BH here. Dieno is scum. At this point, he puts heat on me hours before the first lynch vote by spreading the word that I am a main lynch candidate along with Kenpachi. However, I feel that this was bad information and that I was ever in danger that night. It was always just Kenpachi or Austin in my book. It is interesting, though, that he is trying to negatively manipulate everyone's perception of me: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 09:00 Keirathi wrote:
He's the main lynch candidate because austin used his Phoenix Wright power to cut Palmar/sloosh/xfire out of the potential candidates. Then people dont want to lynch marv or random. So the vote is coming down to Kenpachi vs Dienosore. Two days later, and for seemingly little reason, Yamato is no longer #2 place scum. (I assume Fool is no longer his #1 scum either, and that I have taken that place): + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 03:26 Keirathi wrote:
I don't like the case on yamato at all. For one, he's playing fairly similarly to how he played in both of his recent newbies. And two, I wouldn't expect him (in his first scum game ever, and outside of the newbies now) to be to antagonizing/aggressive/etc as scum. Newbies who roll scum their first time tend to be much more timid in my experience.
Also another small point: he was advocating swapping lurkers so that they aren't around on lynch day, yet he hasn't been lurking himself. If he was scum, and that plan got put into action, he would have wanted to be the person swapped around a lot. Whoops, now Mementoss is also totes scum, but he can't quite figure out why yet: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:
Mementoss.
Now tell me why. Now here he is giving a super duper hard defense for Yamato, and even tries to forcibly switch someone's vote off him: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 08:01 Keirathi wrote:
If I didn't make that clear enough: we're not lynching Yamato today unless you have a much, much better reason (read: any reason at all that actually makes him scum). Get your vote off of him. And now Foolishness is totes scum again: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 09:53 Keirathi wrote:
@Foolishness:
You said you believed austin. Assuming you do, with the swap, it makes Risen almost confirmed town, at least depending on what Xfire and Risen say about their role PMs. Therefore, Risen would have been a mislynch, and swapping him was a good idea.
You pretty much have to be scum. You're just floundering because you're running out of suspects to push. So what can be gained from taking a step back and looking at Keirathi's play thus far? Well it looks rather hectic and somewhat sheepish, jumping on whoever seems to be gathering the most hate. His disgust for me is... confusing, to say the least. Heck we were even on opposite worlds when he did most of his shit talking. Does this make Keirathi a scumball? IDK, Probably not. From what I can discern, his play so far matches his towny play in CT. So where, then, does his hate spring from? I suppose it all bubbles forth from a source, and that source is the person of my second investigation...
Read on Blazinghand
+ Show Spoiler +Considering I was not on anyone's scumdar before this guy started yapping, I became immediately suspicious as to why he would be pushing so hard to axe my towny neck. I did the same sort of chronological documentation. First, he makes a correct town on Sandro d1: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 13:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh also I'd be comfortable sending Sandro over. His ideas are bad but scum wouldn't come out swinging with a plan like that. I think he genuinely believes it's a good plan, and it's not like it's a plan that would be construed as good but secretly give scum an advantage-- it's just sub-optimal. Treating our vote here like a lynch vote would also stimulate discussion, as he mentioned. This strikes me as town motivated, and a town motivated explanation.
I'd still prefer me but Sandro is acceptable as a swap candidate. Here is when the shit first hits the fan. He calls Foolishness towny and me scum. Even calls for a d1 lynch in the name of 'justice'(?): + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 21:36 Blazinghand wrote:
To Greymist's world:
I don't like how Dienosore is playing. You guys should lynch him. Foolishness' sudden retaliation against marv was certainly unexpected but look at the speed at which Foolishness' wagon formed and the lack of resistance-- this indicates to me that he's probably a townie. Any time a wagon gains momentum this quickly with no response it's on a townie. Dienosore's reason for voting Fin is pretty crappy and comes in the wake of some strong players making cases and votes against Foolishness. I think the map thing is weird but apparently he always does. The part where he discusses marv's meta read and how Foolishness hasn't denied being scum (as though scum typically claims scum) strikes me as preposterous. He doesn't have any real reasons for voting Foolishness and the stuff he's given is crap.
Lynch Dienosore. Do it for justice. 30 minutes later, you can see him press Darkfire pretty hard for specific info about his role... + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 21:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Hm, that's a good point. Darkfire was like amazingly ambiguous about describing his role. We could sit around trying to interpret it but here's what I want to know.
Darkfire:
1) when can you use this power? how often?
2) what exactly does it reveal, and on who? Does it reveal alignment, or role, or both?
3) do you have to chose the target now? Or can you choose the target later?
If you can answer these questions, that would be great. Please use normal punctuation as well as a simple, clear sentence structure. ...But then only gives ambiguous info about his own ability. + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
My role doesn't change between worlds. I suspect some roles interact with worlds rather than change them. The next day, he puts a ton of heat on Yamato with a lynch vote and a large case: + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 09:04 Blazinghand wrote:
##vote: Yamato77
I'm busy for a moment but I need to make this vote now. Will explain in detail and give case when I can. Then the next day decides to makes a couple hard defenses for Risen: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 07:51 Blazinghand wrote:
aw man my pun got owned. here it is in ideal form:
Risen has given risenable explanations for his reads A few minutes later, he introduces the idea to swap me into his world: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly I'd be happiest with bringing over dieno to lynch, since he's obvious scum. If that's an option we could grab him.
Then he goes after my throat again, essentially dismissing his case on Yamato now that I am around: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 08:29 Blazinghand wrote:
My top scum read is Dienosore and always has been. The case on Yamato is because i can't vote dienosore right now. And then once Risen begins to defend me from his mindless accusations, he begins to include Risen in his suspicions: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd go for Risen/Dieno! His whole base for attack against me is paltry at best. It includes meta reads on a guy with 1 game under his belt with whom he hasn't even played with, and an overly zealous critique about how I mishandled our day 1 debacle. At least Keirathi was town with me in CT and has a frame of reference to base his (however misguided) suspicions on. That being said, I do not think Blazinghand is absolutely mafia. Other than a slight distrust from Sandroba, his maps indicate a fairly town reputation with the rest of you. Personally, I'd give him 50/50 at best, but for now I think there are bigger fish to fry.
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@Risen
Why Mementoss? Care to point something in specific out for me?
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Ok. So I'm here. I guess the cat is out of the bag. Risen and I are linked. We can never exist in the same world at the same time. I don't know what powers and stuff he has, but he seems to have claimed a vig ability.
I am not too sure what is happening in this thread, so I'll read and see if I can catch up. I'll probably only be here for another 45 minutes, so you can ask me questions and I'll respond to them. I will be back tomorrow.
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Ty for the support, Risen. In the spirit of reciprocation, I shall support your mementoss movement.
##Vote (iGrok): Mementoss
I will do similar reads on mementoss and yomato tomorrow when im not so tired. Maybe that will change my vote then. but for now I stick with it
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Since it's intermission of proleague, I'll respond to this:
On December 16 2012 15:07 Dienosore wrote:I went through his filter and took notes. These events are in chronological order. First he starts off with a defense of me against Blazinghand, who has just accused me as scum. "For now I wouldn't want to see him lynched": + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote:
I don't think Dieno has ever played scum, but his filter feels pretty similar to his filter from Chrono where he was town. From the maps, to the weird conclusions, down tot he random aggressiveness. Of course, none of those are town-specific traits and I don't have any reference to what he would do as scum, but for now I wouldn't want to see him lynched. He then goes on to say Yamato is #2 scum after #1 Foolishness: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 07:07 Keirathi wrote:
Yamato is in second place via Foolishness. Unless you think it should be someone else.
That second quote isn't me saying who I think are scum. It was a comment to Hassy (I think?) who was worried about the swap votes. Whoever it was was worried about the Hassy swap not going through for some reason, and possibly failing, so they wanted a second person being voted to swap just in case. I was saying yamato was second place in the swap voting (I was actually wrong, anyways. BH was second place. But that's irrelevant.)
On December 16 2012 15:07 Dienosore wrote:Another soft defense for me, this time against Marv: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 07:23 Keirathi wrote:
@marv: That's an awfully wishy-washy stance on Dieno. You figured he was town (with a small quip about disliking his running platform) quite early in day 1 in CT. What's different this game? Then an hour later he reverses stance and is completely sure I am totes scum should be lynched: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 08:00 Keirathi wrote:
Okay, I'm changing my mind on Dienosore. I think he should be the lynch for today.
His play is just getting more and more anti-town, not less like in Chrono. Keir then documents me agreeing with now confirmed towny Sandro, yet is still suspicious of my play: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 08:07 Keirathi wrote:
@marv:
It's basically how much he is just willing to go with popular opinion. First he was like AUSTIN SOUNDS SKETCHY. Then "Oh, I agree with sandro and marv/kenpachi should be our focus". Then sheeping you into a vote on austin. I just can't rationalize that with a town Dieno who was willing to stick his neck out in Chrono.
Agreeing with the now confirmed-town doesn't make you not scum. Nice try though. That post was more about your mindset towards the game, though, which is quite different than your mindset towards the game in Chrono.
On December 16 2012 15:07 Dienosore wrote:He admits he got his anti-dino feel from Blazinghand, then blatantly accuses me as scum, which he backs up by citing the d1 play of my first mafia game ever (imo, probably not the best evidence): + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 08:41 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: It was actually BH's assessment. I'm not trying to take credit for his points on Dieno. I disagreed at first, but after another re-read of his filter and his day 1 Chrono play, I agree with BH here. Dieno is scum. At this point, he puts heat on me hours before the first lynch vote by spreading the word that I am a main lynch candidate along with Kenpachi. However, I feel that this was bad information and that I was ever in danger that night. It was always just Kenpachi or Austin in my book. It is interesting, though, that he is trying to negatively manipulate everyone's perception of me: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 09:00 Keirathi wrote:
He's the main lynch candidate because austin used his Phoenix Wright power to cut Palmar/sloosh/xfire out of the potential candidates. Then people dont want to lynch marv or random. So the vote is coming down to Kenpachi vs Dienosore.
Obviously it was Kenpachi or austin in your book. For anyone else though, you should have been a candidate. No one ever gave you a town read, but no one would vote you over the policy lynch on Kenpachi either.
On December 16 2012 15:07 Dienosore wrote:Two days later, and for seemingly little reason, Yamato is no longer #2 place scum. (I assume Fool is no longer his #1 scum either, and that I have taken that place): + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 03:26 Keirathi wrote:
I don't like the case on yamato at all. For one, he's playing fairly similarly to how he played in both of his recent newbies. And two, I wouldn't expect him (in his first scum game ever, and outside of the newbies now) to be to antagonizing/aggressive/etc as scum. Newbies who roll scum their first time tend to be much more timid in my experience.
Also another small point: he was advocating swapping lurkers so that they aren't around on lynch day, yet he hasn't been lurking himself. If he was scum, and that plan got put into action, he would have wanted to be the person swapped around a lot. Whoops, now Mementoss is also totes scum, but he can't quite figure out why yet: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:
Mementoss.
Now tell me why.
You missed the quote where I said why I thought Mementoss was scum. Here it is, for reference:
On December 14 2012 03:31 Keirathi wrote:
Mementoss is a bit suspicious for his attack on yamato. since I think yamato is playing pretty damn similiar to how he has played in both of his newbie town games. Scum Mementoss likes to prey on "weak townies" rather than strong scum reads (see: WLIAA push on me).
That post to Palmar was because Palmar hasn't done a damn thing or been invested into this game at all. I was hoping he would actually say something, but of course he didnt.
Okay, Proleague coming back on. I'll catch back up soon.
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Ok so I was mistaken about your scum list. That actually explains a lot of the strange vibes I was getting from wading through your filter about things not adding up.
And of course my mindset is different this game... it is a different game. I'm no longer invulnerable to death 850hp powerhouse Toad who roleclaimed d1. I'm also currently being roasted for very little reason other than "you feel slippery" and "you are a sheep", which sort of puts me on edge anyway.
Look, I don't think you are scum Keirathi, however I do not appreciate your continued negative campaign towards me. Perhaps we can agree on some sort of cease-fire? Maybe then we can catch some actual scum together rather than waste our time bickering?
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I am fine with voting for mementoss today. Sandroba already pointed out this post + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 05:18 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 23:21 Mementoss wrote:
On a side note, I think I fractured my right hand last night at a staff party, typing is not fun for me at the moment.
Reading the exchange between yamato and austin was painful. I think austin is town, because the way he was reacting to yamato's posts was similar to my thoughts and it seemed legit. Not a great town read, but its okay.
Now I know yamato is just one of those players that thinks he should never be accused and gets pretty mad. I don't think a back and forth with him would be useful as he fails to ever see the flaws in his own posts and is always on edge defense mode. His posts reek of shitting up the thread, and causing chaos between players. He seems to want to throw people off and get people in arguments contrary to waht he said in his post. Reading his posts frustrates me and I will try not to let it throw me off my game, and throw him off his game (if he somehow is town).
TLDR; I still think yamato is scum. Mementoss this is some top bullshit. +scummy points for you On December 13 2012 23:38 Mementoss wrote:
EBWOP: Still leaning town on austin however. On December 14 2012 06:05 Mementoss wrote:
Also are we supposed to believe austins check? It means jack shit until he flips. He can just say yeah I do this and than put scum mate on the list and hope nobody lynches into the list. It isn't provable. On December 14 2012 06:16 Mementoss wrote:
No I do think hes town, im saying we can't blindly follow his check. Until he flips or the 3 on the list flip doesn't say a whole lot.
If you have a really good town read on austin you can believe his check and go with it.
If not a good town read prior to claim, than don't be weary to question his check.
##Vote: Mementoss
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I don't like that the two people we got in return for Risen have both sheeped onto this Mementoss thing. I have read his filter and it's not that scummy to me. His attack on me was weird, but not alignment indicative. If you guys are serious about this you need some real cases.
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I will support any lynch in Blazinghand's or mementoss's general direction.
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oh and since I can't guarantee that I'll be around tonight, I'll move my vote to mementoss now.
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Read on Mementoss
+ Show Spoiler +He starts off putting pressure on Risen: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 03:38 Mementoss wrote:But I am not a mind reader, I cannot determine someone's alignment based on two posts. However, at this point in the game, if I had to kill someone in this thread it would be Risen. I would like it if you did not send him away as I think we need to pressure him to contribute the next cycle. Three hours later we see hatred towards Yamato: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 06:48 Mementoss wrote:
Where is the town motivation in looking for a role claim so early? The way you are approaching people is so careful its not even funny, trying to point out things to make others look scummy and bad, proposing to let people that lurk be inable to be lynched? I look forward to lynching you tomorrow scum. I wanted this to be longer and more incriminating, but sadly it just isn't. He only has two pages of filter, and his discussion so far feels like it comes from a fairly towny place. He also has a believable excuse for not being here right now. I couldn't find anything that explicitly screams SCUM! to me. Unless someone can make a better case, (maybe Risen will step up?) I will be changing my vote once I find a better pick.
Read on Yamato
+ Show Spoiler +Here we have Yamato calling Foolishness scum, Risen scum, and Sandroba shitty, all in one post: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 06:11 yamato77 wrote:
@Foolishness
It's hilariously stupid to call anything I have done in this game "flinging doubt". You may have a reputation but that doesn't make you any less susceptible to making terrible posts like that. Good job getting bandwagoned D1, scum.
As for this thread, neither of you are acting very pro-town at the moment. Risen's only comments this game have been negative and confrontational, something I do not want as a town player. Early on town needs to cooperate despite their suspicion because going around shooting people down makes everything more difficult. How about offering up your own idea for who to vote for today, Risen, since you don't like anyone else's plan?
And as for Sandroba, I am disappointed that's player with reputation as a really good town player would be so shitty day1. You are almost as bad as Risen with your negative language but at least you seem cooperative when I ask you questions. So, do you honestly think Risen's play right now is scum because I definitely see zero town motivation in throwing around this much suspicion this early in the game on the most active players- Yamato gets defensive when Mementoss calls him out, tells him to stop being dumb: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2012 06:51 yamato77 wrote:
You don't even read the thread because all of these accusations about my plan have already been answered.
I ask for a role claim because if he is town, he should want to be here on Lynch day. If he thinks he shouldn't I want to know why before I grant him his request.
Stop being dumb. And he takes it a step further four hours later and directly calls him scum: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 10:26 yamato77 wrote:
I don't see any reason not to say that I find mementoss pretty scummy at this point. His intentionally malicious twisting of my constructive posts on two different occasions is highly suspect. Then I refute his idiocy and he fails to respond. Unless he was making a ridiculously stupid town play it only reads as scum throwing suspicion on a player for zero good reason. He can't seem to figure out why people aren't taking him seriously, lol, and starts to get angry: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 10:48 yamato77 wrote:
Why is it that most if the thread seems content to ignore me? Now he is attacking Austin, who was just trying to explain why people are ignoring him: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 12:17 yamato77 wrote:
So you agree with Mementoss that my posts were hypocritical, but don't think it makes me scum, but yet don't think him calling me scum makes him town/scum?
WOW AUSTIN YOU'RE SURE A CONTROVERSIAL POSTER.
Why even defend him, then, if you have no read? You just don't want me to have a scum read on Mementoss despite you not agreeing with his conclusion. I mean, it's not like he's in danger of getting lynched or anything, so why make the defense if you don't actually agree with him wholeheartedly? You basically restated what he said and took zero stance on anything, Way to post without actually posting.
Bravo, Austin, bravo. 20 minutes later he is back on Mementoss, throwing a hissy fit and calling him a scummy dumbass. + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 12:38 yamato77 wrote:
...And he attacks me for not calling people scummy. So fine, I'll call his dumb ass scummy for taking my posts out of context and making me look bad INTENTIONALLY. After much beration from just about everyone active in the thread, he finally throws up the white flag: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 12:46 yamato77 wrote:
Looking back, this was a gigantic waste of time.
I should have just ignored Mementoss. and On December 13 2012 13:22 yamato77 wrote:
Here's some WIFOM for you, though.
Anyone that has read my past games would know I'm easy to get off track by calling me scum early. Six hours later, Mementoss is no longer scum and Blazinghand now takes his place: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 19:08 yamato77 wrote:
So if my discussion with austin was useless, which I agree it was, who are your scum reads? As I said earlier I don't like Mementoss' play but that doesn't particularly make him scum.
On the other hand, Blazinghand was rather active early in the thread with pretty low-content posts and has afterward been fairly AFK. His contributions to the discussions were pretty meaningless, he never really put forth his own ideas. Classic scum D1 blending. Since then he has contributed nothing about potential scum reads or anything of that nature. I'm fairly confident in calling him scum. Also, Austin now seems to be off the hook, too: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 19:21 yamato77 wrote:
Can you explain your scum read on Austin? I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion. Yamato then proceeds to grill Clarity on his reads. He eventually stops, settling on a 'blend' scum vibe from mementoss: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 20:31 yamato77 wrote:
I read his filter and I get a pretty blend scum vibe. He has posted literally nothing useful.
Ok Clarity I'll stop annoying you now.
Here he is disagreeing with someone's town reads on Sandroba/Austin: + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 20:38 yamato77 wrote:
But I disagree on the sand/Austin read. The next day, he feels the need to remind everyone Foolishness is still scum, and even calls for a hit on him: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Foolishness claiming lazy scum. his best rationale for any action all game is that I'm useless.
No scum reads or anything useful. Just complaining about my play for no apparent reason.
If I die tonight, or even if I don't, he should hang tomorrow. if at all possible, roleblock this scummer Eight hours later, he drops a bomb. In one deft post, he throws mud on Austin, Marv, Clarity, Palmar, Foolishness, and Mementoss. Says he did it because he was scared to die and the people must know the truth! (que tinfoil hat): + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 16:01 yamato77 wrote:
Austin being called town is rather dumb. His use of his power and all of his play up to this point gives me no reason to think he's town. Nor am I entirely convinced he even has a power. His choices for "confirmed not anti-town" seem odd. The fact that it worked and people suddenly only focused on those he hadn't mentioned in his objection directly resulted in the stupidity involved in thinking Ken was "the best lynch".
I liked Marv's initial critique of Austin's play. That being said, I don't like how Marv repeated the same statement over and over and then dropped his read on him just to vote for Ken, a lynch that made no sense. Why Marv would act this way and not actually reference specific parts of Austin's play is perplexing. I had a town read on him but now I'm not so sure. His "town case" on himself is pretty laughable because I think he knows everyone believes scum Marv capable of a play such as the one he details, much more so because of the lack of an actual flip.
I think it can be unilaterally agreed upon that Clarity and Palmar's actions also had a hand in this mess. If one flips scum I wouldn't doubt the other one is too. That is, if they are being entirely truthful about their abilities. As it stands I don't see why neither one would mention in the thread that they intended to do what they did before doing it, and I think Palmar's little slap on the wrist critique of Clarity's actions and his subsequent explanation for his are weak. I have to believe that both of them were playing sub-optimally and that neither put any thought into potential side effects of their actions to accept the reality they put forth, which seems a lot less likely than some coordinated act from scum to get Foolishness out of a lynch and cause enough confusion to get a mislynch, which is exactly what happened. I don't buy Clarity's defense nor am I particularly motivated to by his refusal to give town more information about his swapping ability, such as if he can reverse the mess he has made somewhat and give town a good shot at a solid day 2 lynch in this thread.
As it stands I believe Foolishness is obvious lynch candidate #1 because of his continued refusal to do anything even remotely pro-town in favor if being a dumbass. The results of his dubious vote/night action on me are yet to be determined but I would not be surprised if they were negative.
If anyone finds fault with what I've said feel free to disagree, but do so with logic instead of stupid accusations that serve no purpose other than to incite pointless discussion about their intent *coughmementosscough* Yamato eventually gets around to throwing some mud on me, and also a bit more on Austin and Marv: + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 16:15 yamato77 wrote:
Also before someone asks, I would have lynched Dieno over Ken but I am admittedly less familiar with his filter then I would like seeing as I had no actual vote. Austin was also potentially a good lynch but only Marv was interested in that and his play regarding his suspicions of Austin are not encouraging, as I mentioned before. But wait! Where did all of his reads go?: + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 02:40 yamato77 wrote:
Mementoss I don't have any strong reads at the moment except Foolish who you think is just playing his meta. I give a lot of weak reads because I don't understand what happened fully and I think some of it needs clarifying. And then he builds this gigantic case on Risen: + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 15:03 yamato77 wrote:
Risen
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##Vote (iGrok) Risen Oh yeah, Darkfire is scum too: + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 15:59 yamato77 wrote:
Oh yeah, that reminds me.
Darkfire is scum too. Yamato then spends the rest of his time trying to pry reads out of Risen, Clarity, and Keirathi. Overall, I'd say Yamato is an obvious newb with a temper problem. I feel like he is probably trying to help out the town, but the way he is going about it is totally fishy and counter-productive. I do not think he should be our lynch today.
Next up: Blazinghand
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On December 16 2012 16:24 Crossfire99 wrote:I am fine with voting for mementoss today. Sandroba already pointed out this post + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 05:18 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 23:21 Mementoss wrote:
On a side note, I think I fractured my right hand last night at a staff party, typing is not fun for me at the moment.
Reading the exchange between yamato and austin was painful. I think austin is town, because the way he was reacting to yamato's posts was similar to my thoughts and it seemed legit. Not a great town read, but its okay.
Now I know yamato is just one of those players that thinks he should never be accused and gets pretty mad. I don't think a back and forth with him would be useful as he fails to ever see the flaws in his own posts and is always on edge defense mode. His posts reek of shitting up the thread, and causing chaos between players. He seems to want to throw people off and get people in arguments contrary to waht he said in his post. Reading his posts frustrates me and I will try not to let it throw me off my game, and throw him off his game (if he somehow is town).
TLDR; I still think yamato is scum. Mementoss this is some top bullshit. +scummy points for you . Additionally, it's weird how he reacts to austin's ability. Before austin's ability he had a town read on him here + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 23:38 Mementoss wrote:
EBWOP: Still leaning town on austin however. . The first gut instinct reaction to austin's ability is this + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 06:05 Mementoss wrote:
Also are we supposed to believe austins check? It means jack shit until he flips. He can just say yeah I do this and than put scum mate on the list and hope nobody lynches into the list. It isn't provable. . You don't come out this hard against a check by someone you had a town read on. He realized he overreacted and tried to cover himself with this post + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 06:16 Mementoss wrote:
No I do think hes town, im saying we can't blindly follow his check. Until he flips or the 3 on the list flip doesn't say a whole lot.
If you have a really good town read on austin you can believe his check and go with it.
If not a good town read prior to claim, than don't be weary to question his check. . It just doesn't fit to explode at someone and say you can't trust their checks, but still have a town read on them. ##Vote: Mementoss
Ooo, I like this case. I wish I could have spotted these flags earlier when I was still making mine.
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So Dieno, who do you think is scum? You gave a big summary of 4 people and concluded that 3 of them were town, and BH was a coin-flip at best.
(P.S. Sorry for just getting back to the thread, I fell asleep during proleague and have been busy this morning)
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