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On December 17 2012 11:53 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
VisceraEyes cannot be anything but scum at this point. If this is his new town game, I hate it, because the VE I knew and loved was loud, didn't take shit, took random leads and stabs at people. This chilled back non-active VE is either his scum play, or some shitty ridiculous new town meta.
Djodref is almost certainly scum, the resistance to his wagon on day 2 was just ridiculous for someone who got caught lying like a retard. I have zero understanding of why anyone who is town would even consider not lynching him. It's strictly the wrong play not to kill him. He must be killed or this game is lost.
Jaybrundage has very little to defend him, but there's just so many people that need much more attention than him in this game. He could very well be scum, but after killing VE and Djodref you guys should have a clearer picture to look at. don't let scum push this false wagon. I feel more confident in my Djodref lynch. I think his diverting attemps day 1. Also the crazy resistance to his lynch day 2 are likely cause he is mafia. Also Palmar was having trouble reading VE.
Go read my filter and provide an extensive case on me.
You know who was trying to attempt to divert Adam's lynch day 1 ?
WBG wanted his Tunkeg lynch. WBG was town.
Clarity wanted your lynch. Clarity was town.
I wanted to lynch you or Tunkeg because I thought that you were more likely to flip scum than Adam.
And there is some resistance for my lynch because there are actually some townie things in my filter.
Did you read my latest posts ?
Show me how they would serve my mafia agenda. I'm not going to let you lynch me without you having to post a case against me.
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Seriously, I had Adam as a slight scum read, mainly because I thought that debears was over exaggerating his case.
I hate to bring a WIFOM argument but
What would prevent a scum Djodref from bussing Adam when it was clear that he was the today's lynch ?
Nothing at all, it would have been very easy to bus him if I was his scummate.
My behavior shows that I didn't know Adam's alignment.
Pushing your top scumreads is townie.
Your case against me is absolutely shit. You obviously didn't put in the effort to read my filter.
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Okay, I'm down to lynching VE.
I don't like how he disappeared and hasn't really responded to anything. He doesn't seem interested in the game AT ALL. If you guys recall, we hadn't interacted at all up until he noted my "scumslip". He then made his "case" on me:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=81#1607
And parked his vote on me. This came at a time when I had some pressure on me. I agree a lot with Djo's point on how he is really just going with the flow.
Note how his play is in complete contrast with his game on Liquid City. When he found me to be scum, he spent quite some time interacting with me, prodding around asking other people (BC) what they thought of me, etc. He then gave some attention elsewhere when I wasnt getting any traction. Take a look at the interaction that begins in the last 4-5 posts of this page:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=117978¤tpage=8
And some in the next page as well.
This game it's complete and utter crap. He gives a crap reason (that basically surmounts to: I'm prodding people everywhere) and doesnt push me, doesnt do shit. He parks his vote on me and keeps it there, saying later just how he'd be down to lynch me. Doesn't ask other people what they think of me, doesn't try to push his "scum read".
There's also that whole Palmar wants him dead thing.
I'm curious to see what his next move is.
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Jay this is the part that needs to be bolded:
On December 16 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
VisceraEyes cannot be anything but scum at this point. If this is his new town game, I hate it, because the VE I knew and loved was loud, didn't take shit, took random leads and stabs at people. This chilled back non-active VE is either his scum play, or some shitty ridiculous new town meta.
Djodref is almost certainly scum, the resistance to his wagon on day 2 was just ridiculous for someone who got caught lying like a retard. I have zero understanding of why anyone who is town would even consider not lynching him. It's strictly the wrong play not to kill him. He must be killed or this game is lost.
Jaybrundage has very little to defend him, but there's just so many people that need much more attention than him in this game. He could very well be scum, but after killing VE and Djodref you guys should have a clearer picture to look at. don't let scum push this false wagon.
I don't see that as "trouble reading VE". It looks to me like he read VE just fine and made a concessive remark in case VE flips town.
I also corroborate on this with my above post using Liquid City as an example.
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@ Z-Bo
Aren't you supposed to be against taking dead people opinions into account ?
I think that I've read something saying this somewhere. Could you enlighten me ?
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On December 17 2012 12:11 Djodref wrote:
@ Z-Bo
Aren't you supposed to be against taking dead people opinions into account ?
I think that I've read something saying this somewhere. Could you enlighten me ?
What the fuck? Quote it please.
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And why the hell are you taking into consideration ONE LINE of my post on VE? Someone who is your "top scumread" at that.
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On December 17 2012 12:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
And why the hell are you taking into consideration ONE LINE of my post on VE? Someone who is your "top scumread" at that.
No, I totally agree with you on VE. I'll try to find it back but it was something like
"Z-Bo is going to yell at me for listening to the opinion of dead people" in an obsQT
Do you or not ?
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Z-bo right after Palmar says that. He then goes on to speculate if VE could be town. He wasnt as confident in that read as he put out.
Regardless its not just Palmar's reasoning that I want to lynch Djodref. Hes been scummy for a while.
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On December 17 2012 12:18 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 12:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
And why the hell are you taking into consideration ONE LINE of my post on VE? Someone who is your "top scumread" at that. No, I totally agree with you on VE. I'll try to find it back but it was something like "Z-Bo is going to yell at me for listening to the opinion of dead people" in an obsQT Do you or not ?
That (obviously) is not a quote by me.
That (obviously) does not represent my opinion (watch in mario obs qt how pissed I was that no one listened to my reads).
That (obviously) is not alignment-indicative.
What is your point?
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On December 17 2012 12:22 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 12:18 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 12:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
And why the hell are you taking into consideration ONE LINE of my post on VE? Someone who is your "top scumread" at that. No, I totally agree with you on VE. I'll try to find it back but it was something like "Z-Bo is going to yell at me for listening to the opinion of dead people" in an obsQT Do you or not ? That (obviously) is not a quote by me. That (obviously) does not represent my opinion (watch in mario obs qt how pissed I was that no one listened to my reads). That (obviously) is not alignment-indicative. What is your point?
Okay, then, nevermind, I must have misunderstood what the guy was saying at that time or I don't remember correctly what he said.
If that's not the case, then there is no point.
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On December 17 2012 12:20 jaybrundage wrote:
Z-bo right after Palmar says that. He then goes on to speculate if VE could be town. He wasnt as confident in that read as he put out.
Regardless its not just Palmar's reasoning that I want to lynch Djodref. Hes been scummy for a while.
Something that you have yet failed to prove.
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On December 12 2012 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:Ze Case on DjodrefSo from the begginging Djo hasn't done much. He gave some filler posts about thrawn. Soft defended adam the entire game. Sheeped on me. Then Sheeped on Tunkeg. Tried to get a policy lynch on grush (joking always has a bit of truth to it) He attempted to explain his thought process with thrawn. He then started defending himself from Z-Bo. While still not wanting to lynch Adam wouldn't wanna kill his scum buddy. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 01:02 Z-BosoN wrote:On December 12 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote:@ Z-Boson+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 12 2012 00:28 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:@ Z-Boson1) First of all, you're wrong and you have failed to show what goal my actions would serve if I was scum. I'm going to help you to read my posts because you obviously didn't understand where I was going during the early game. On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 09:22 debears wrote:
##Vote thrawn
I reject your reality and substitute my own Hello everybody ! @thrawn Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? @debears Are you seriously willing to enforce a "Lynch all Liars" policy ? My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it. Debears, you are jumpy as both alignments, but I wouldn't expect your town self to post a video instead of engaging the discussion to get this game rolling. FoS debears 2)My problem with debears early vote was not that it was a vote following a LAL policy but rather the seriousness of this vote. I've assumed that it was a vote for sparking discussion because this was the early game and the atmosphere was quite carefree at this time. Nevertheless, thrawn calling out debears on his vote against him would have been a good starting point for a real discussion but debears chose to post a video instead of this. The problem was not the video itself, but more what he did not do instead. Anyway, this was an early FoS, and also an attempt for me to spark some discussion.And when debears implied that his vote was not serious (which I knew because he didn't use the voting thread to vote thrawn), I wondered why debears would throw early mindless votes like this, and I wanted him to explain this as well. All in all, I think that he didn't really care about what he was doing, and I don't read anything of it. I don't like how debears is focused on Adam so I didn't remove my Fos on him so far. 3)Regarding thrawn, I wanted him to explain his move. I didn't see this coming from a mafia player, but still, I wanted him to explain his motivations for it. And then thrawn goes like On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible and then On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it. which was pretty stubborn and stupid. I used a pressure vote (which didn't work) to get him talk, regardless of his alignment. And he deserved this pressure vote. When I unvoted him, I was expecting him to explain himself as putting himself in a position where he is going to get some pressure, especially mafia pressure. So, yeah, it matches its town mindset. And then, Clarity came in this thread with a case worth sheeping, so I sheeped. At the light of Clarity case, jay was more likely to be scum than debears. But now, as many people started to participate overnight, I'm going to update my reads. 1) Yes I have. I mentioned "scum getting lost in the sidetracks", because that's what's going on. You are trying to make it seem like you are contributing, when in fact, you are not. More on that later. 2) I don't buy this. You assumed that it was a vote intended to spark discussion, because it was in early game and had a "carefree" atmosphere, made by debears. You then pressure FOS debears to make sure he sparks discussion as his townie self. Then, he goes after adam, and you keep the FOS because you disagree with his case?? You can disagree with his case, just like you did somewhere, but that is only warranted of your suspicions is if you think it's fake comes from scum. Yet what do you do? You go on to drop debears entirely and go around asking questions about other aspects of the game without taking a proper stance yourself. 3) This still doesn't make sense. Why in gods name are you so interested in thrawn explaining himself, if you think he's town??. Why did you pressure vote him, whom you had a town read on, instead of going after debears, someone you've made quite clear you don't like the play this game?
Also, to those who aren't feeling Djo, notice his complete lack of scumhunting in this game. Here's a summary of his entire play this game: - The whole debars/thrawn extravaganza I've already gone over which makes no sense.
- Probing WBG's weird logic on palmar.
- Giving munk-E a questionable town read
- Flock of non-conclusive questioning and a ton of fluff.
And that's IT. Zero stances, zero cases. It's scum feigning contribution. 1)So, basically, you are saying that I couldn't keep my story straight. And that shows that I'm scum. I would say that I've been inconsistent as townies can be inconsistent. Basically, my FoS on debears was not a very serious one (like all early FoS are) and I didn't feel like I had to follow it up when thrawn put himself at the center of the attention. 2) I was disagreeing with debears view on Adam and I still disagree with it because I think he is exaggerating some points. But debears has done nothing to deserve a vote. So I don't see why I should have not the right to use my vote on thrawn to pressure him. And yeah, I was leaning town on thrawn when I voted him but I needed his explanations for his miller claim to assess my read on him. 3)Putting pressure on thrawn was fulfilling two goals. The first one was to help me to assess my town read on him when he was going to reveal us his "plan". It was kind of obvious he was going to say something like this but I was interested to know how he was going to present things, and he did say almost exactly what I expected. The second goal was to show him that he was putting himself in a bad situation and that he should better explain himself asap so that the thread could move on to another subject because all this situation was a bit stupid and not helping us to have constructive discussions. 1) Scummies are more likely to be inconsistent than townies, so it's a small tell, but still a tell. What bugs me is the logic you had regarding debars/thrawn I've already went over.
2) Wait a minute. Bolded part. Whatever happened to: On December 11 2012 13:01 Djodref wrote:
I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum.
The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case.
The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point.
Still not keeping your story straight. You say you lean him being town, now you lean him being scum. Worst of all, where is the reasoning, where is the justification for this??
3) It's counter-productive. You are wasting time reassessing a "town-read" you had, and you STILL are flimsy and not moving on: On December 11 2012 13:12 Djodref wrote:On December 11 2012 12:54 thrawn2112 wrote:debears could you respond to the question I asked you at the bottom of page 22? It's in the last post on the page sorta near the bottom of my post. Djo: bleh I've probably waited too long to ask this, but I'd like you to go back to this post. When did you write it in relation to the post you made right before it? Was it one right after the other, did you make them simultaneously, did you write the 2nd one first but post the 1st one 1st, etc. please be as specific as possible @ thrawnThe two posts you are talking about were independent if you are talking about these. On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.
@ jay
It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.
##Vote jay
I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam. On December 10 2012 15:34 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?
It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.
I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did. Lol is my reaction not what you expected  Wait a second, the reason i didn't vote is because i don't feel i have too. A vote doesn't mean anything till the end of the cycle. I have been going after thrawn and trying to get him to respond to me. And get some kind of explanation from him. However he has yet to respond to me. THRAWN STOP GAWD DAMN IGNORING ME. And yes i do care if the lynch seems to easy. Because then from my experience, its likely a bus or a townie were killing. I'll try to find the games if i can. Its been almost a year tho. And i already gave you a scum reasoning to do what he did. On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective. At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +wow big surprise there right? Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs @ thrawnIn fact, this is exactly the explanation I was waiting for you. I remembered this post from our previous Looney game when you were going to be mislynched at MYLO. On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum. So, did you manage to get any clue of who could be scum after analysing the way they treated your fakeclaim ? Regarding the post you linked, it was the conclusion I came to when I was asking myself why you were being stubborn and not wanting to explain your motivations for your fakeclaim. After my pressure vote on you, I was wondering why a town thrawn would put himself in such a situation and I remembered this post you made about how you liked to be pushed as a mislynched. So, I was ready to post it before your explanation because it was what I was expecting from you. But it was not prepared, just I knew where to find this stuff. It is a strange question. Could I ask you what you are going to do with this info ? What do you expect to hear? Are you still trying to confirm thrawn as town? Thrawn has been questioned twice already regarding this and the most he said was "bugs came out looking worse". This is another example of you fooling around trying to look like you are contributing, imo. 1)Okay, I'm just saying that it was the early game and that I didn't follow up my FoS on debears so much because it was not a very serious one. 2) I have Adam as slightly scum. Debears is convinced that Adam is scum. I would lynch Tunkeg and jay before Adam today, I would say that grush might even be a better lynch choice than Adam. This is where I disagree with debears. Basically, I'm not sure that Adam is scum because some points brought against him seem to be exaggerated in my opinion. I would prefer to let him live today so I can have a better read on him when the game goes on. 3)The conversation that you quoted has been initiated by thrawn and I was answering him. His first question was weird and I wanted to know why he asked me it in the first place, it turned out that he was still unsure of my thought process. I hope that things are clear between him and me now. This conversation was productive in my opinion. I'm not 100% sure that thrawn is town at the moment and it helped me to confirm my view on him. What would be the benefit of a scum Djodref to ask this ? Here he says hes willing to lynch Adam but in the same sentence discredits it. This is important tho. He states he wouldnt mind lynching Adam BUT THEN COMPLETLY FAILS TO DELIEVER when we need him.Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 01:45 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 01:25 Vivax wrote:
Fucking hell Djodref, stop writing a river, noone's voting for you.
Instead, tell us about your reads. Who is scum and who is town in your opinion? I think that Tunkeg is mafia, less sure about jay now. I wouldn't mind to lynch Adam but I'm not sure that he would turn out to be mafia. It pains me to see that all these players are not active right now because I cannot get better reads on them. I think that Clarity and thrawn are town, less sure about debears or marv but I have them as town as well for the moment. I have Munk-E has a very slight town read because he went directly after wbg when entering the thread but I thought he was a newbie at that time. I would like Z-Bo to move on so I can see what he thinks of other players than Tunkeg and me. For the rest of the players, I'm not familiar with them so they are in a grey area. Attemps a half joke on lynch grush who while hasnt done much has had decent reads imo Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 01:48 Djodref wrote:EBWOP: I wouldn't mind to lynch grush as well by the way  Tries a desperate attempt to save his scumbuddy adamShow nested quote +On December 12 2012 08:06 Djodref wrote:
Anyone up for a counter bandwagon on jay ?
##Unvote
##Vote Jay He says he will vote for adam. But never follows thru!!!!!He is half claiming to be on the adam lynch but never wants to go with it. Saying he will vote or doesnt mind lynching adam when his actions differ completely. He had no intention to lynch adam his scum buddy Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 08:12 Djodref wrote:I'll vote Adam if I need to but I really don't think it's the best lynch for today... I've seen successful late (like 5 min before deadline) counter bangwagon in Mario Mini Mafia so it's never too late And when going for me shows no results he goes for Tunkeg. Another pathetic attempt to divert the adam lynchShow nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:23 Djodref wrote:
And, seriously guys, you still prefer to lynch Adam to jay after Adam's latest post ?
Counter wagon ! GO GO GO !
##Unvote
##Vote jay
I think Djodref is scum. Thoughts? [/b][/b]
On December 14 2012 19:04 Palmar wrote:##Vote DjodrefWhen in doubt policy lynch. I'm not sold on a tunkeg lynch. Hapa is defending all the wrong people and I didn't like Munk-E from day 1, but I don't think I can reasonably attack him for scum without more information and analysis. The Bluelightz thing is another instance of someone whose only possible defense is being too scummy to be scum. I'm not gonna defend him based on that, and I wish we could like quadruple lynch today. I'm also very wary of VisceraEyes. But, in the end, I'm kinda confused because so many people are playing like retards. Jay's Clarity&Palmar are scum theory is so out there that it's almost lynchworthy, but hey, apparently it's okay to be retarded and thus make the game 10x harder than it should be.
And so, I'm voting Djodref. I am suggesting a lynch on Djodref for three reasons: 1. Attempting twice to go after another player over AdamThe only defense for Djodref here is that he's too scummy to be scum. The theory is that no scum would so openly and ridiculously blatantly attempt to derail a scum lynch. It's a valid point, but maybe Djodref knows that? Here's his attempt to go after Tunkeg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17206691Here's his attempt to start a wagon on Jay: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17210095I would like to additionally point out that both these attempts come after Djodref claims to be slightly leaning scum on Adam: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 13:01 Djodref wrote:
I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum.
The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case.
The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point.
Generally people don't go so much out of their way to protect their scumreads? 2. Defending flipped scum repeatedly, yet never seeing any reason to interact with said scumDefending someone you think is town is fine. The problem is that generally you have a good reason for defending them. The fact that Djodref never tried to directly interact with someone who clearly was a pretty strong townread at the time looks kinda bad. I have a serious problem with this. Head to Djodref's filter, look at how much he talks ABOUT adam, but never TO adam. Coincidence? Maybe. But it's enough to raise alarms for me. Here's a link to his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=284165¤tpage=AllHere's a link to my post where I checked all the people he interacted with: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=172249513. When I asked about this strange lack of interactions, Djodref directly lied to me.Lynch all liars is a good policy. I think we should enforce it. Djodref's lie can be seen in the following posts: Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote:
I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets. Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 20:59 Djodref wrote:
I was persuaded that jay and Tunkeg were mafia yesterday and far less sure about Adam. The lack of interactions with Adam could be explained because I was a bit wary of the debears/Adam interactions and didn't want to step in. After, I went sleeping and Adam went lurking.
I didn't feel the need to interact with him yesterday, that would be my best explanation. But this is clearly false. As Djodref was indeed more than comfortable with stepping in to defend adam, as can be seen on multiple occasions in his filter, and I showed an example of three such posts in this reply to his explanation: Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 21:03 Palmar wrote:List of Djodref not stepping in debears/Adam interactions:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.
@ jay
It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.
##Vote jay
I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam. On December 10 2012 19:59 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
Could you explain me how Adam implied heavily that thrawn was scum ?
Could you show me a post where you think his reaction was forced ?
I don't think that posting only post from a previous post-game to show an apparent contradiction is really using meta. Adam just pointed out a contradiction.
To be fair, he did claim he forgot about those posts. I don't believe a word of it.
Djodref, your time has come. You are a protector of filth, and a liar. The good people of Liquidia shall see you hang in the name of justice. ##Vote Djodref
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@ jaybrundage
I don't see anything new in here.
Your case boils down to the fact that I've tried to derail Adam's lynch. I've already addressed this point and showed that it makes me more likely to be town than scum.
I would like to see something new and original from you.
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Also I would like you to tell me who would be scummates. Thanks !
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I'm not trying to convince you that your scum.
I dont know why you expect me too.
If anyone else has any comments on my case and the case I stole from Palmar lets hear it.
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On December 17 2012 12:54 jaybrundage wrote:
I'm not trying to convince you that your scum.
I dont know why you expect me too.
If anyone else has any comments on my case and the case I stole from Palmar lets hear it.
I want you to realize that I'm not scum.
If you are town, make a case against me, because you are going to look bad when I flip.
If you are scum, just behave like you do right now.
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I agree with marv about hapa but I want to point out some things about munk-e
Just from looking at munke's filter I'm surprised that hapa hasn't received that much attention. Everything munke said was scummy. Here's his first entrance into the thread:
On December 11 2012 00:41 Munk-E wrote:
Good morning and hello, everyone! I will be doing a more in depth reading of the thread, but for now, WBG, how on earth did you figure palmer was more likely to be scum than anyone? You said there were 5 people that hadn't participated yet, yet palmer, being one of them had a 2/3rds chance of being scum. Did you sleep through math class, or do you actually have some explaination to back that up?
The tone of the post seems fake. At first he acts really friendly and talks about how he's going to do a more in depth reading of the thread... which is implying that he has at least read the thread. And he decides to attack wbg over the stupid wbg 80% remark? He even insults wbg ("did you sleep through math class") so he is pretty committed to this line of questioning. The 80% stuff is a scum topic and he's all the more scummier for it because it was the only thing he talked about. I point some of this out to him and then he posts:
On December 11 2012 01:02 Munk-E wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 00:45 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 11 2012 00:41 Munk-E wrote:
Good morning and hello, everyone! I will be doing a more in depth reading of the thread, but for now, WBG, how on earth did you figure palmer was more likely to be scum than anyone? You said there were 5 people that hadn't participated yet, yet palmer, being one of them had a 2/3rds chance of being scum. Did you sleep through math class, or do you actually have some explaination to back that up? for a first post I don't like how 'irrelevant' this one is. people questioning each other about arbitrary percentages never results in anything useful. munk-e, please get to other stuff from the thread asap I just find it strange how he went from maybe or maybe not policy voting you,(he didn't make it clear either way, which seems like a way to cover his ass in case he made a mistake) to very heavily and arbitrarily tunneling palmer, with no evidence when he had 5 people with the exact same case against them. It doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, he goes from out of nowhere accusing palmer saying he's 80% sure he's mafia, based on absolutely nothing, to when people ask him about it saying "woah, I didn't say i was certain he was scum" Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
How many of them are there?
How many scum are probably in this game?
What did I say was my certainty on Palmar being scum?
Don't force me to treat you like you're dumb. Then he lowers the percentage of palmer being scum, probably so if he flips town, he doesn't seem as guilty. It just seems weird to me.
He talks about other stuff that makes wbg scummy... why didn't he mention this in his first post about wbg? And the new argument for the accusation he made about the 80% stuff was awful. After all of that his read onw wbg totaled up to "It just seems weird to me." Later on Munke posts:
On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote:as for WBG, the more i think about it, the more I think he's more likely to be town. If he was scum, this play would either be to bus palmer if he's scum, which would be stupid and unnecessary, or to try to start a bandwagon on him if he's town, which would most likely be futile. He could be trying to appear to be an aggressive scumhunter, attacking harmless enemies though, so he seems town, but then again, aggressive scumhunting seems town.
I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers.
So now he goes back on his non committal wbg read using a wifom argument and now we're at 0 reads for wbg. He also throws in the completely irrelevant line about not all scum being lurkers.... how does this help us?
Then there's his final post, his vote for adam:
On December 12 2012 09:45 Munk-E wrote:
Woah. Remember that we need 9 votes to lynch someone. With only a half hour left, it's probably too late to start a counter wagon. Even if jay seems more likely than adam, Adam is still worth your vote more. With 9 votes exactly on him, I'm worried that a last second band wagon gives any scum buddies he might have trying to bus him a legitimate reason to turn today into a no lynch.
##VOTE Adam4167
"Woah?" Lol. Is he sitting at his computer reeling in shock thinking about possible last minute scum shenanigans? He hasn't said anything at all about any other player than wbg but he says this important part:
On December 12 2012 09:45 Munk-E wrote:With 9 votes exactly on him, I'm worried that a last second band wagon gives any scum buddies he might have trying to bus him a legitimate reason to turn today into a no lynch.
##VOTE Adam4167
I do not believe that a guy who's only contributions to the thread are making a half accusation against wbg which he later takes back and a comment about scum not being lurkers would be so sure and concerned about adam's lynch. He even talks about potential scumbuddies.... which reveals his underlying knowledge of adam's alignment.
coming soon - part 2: hapa
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ok im too lazy for part 2 atm but quick preview is that this hapa isn't town hapa. he's not pushing his reads, he's not putting a lot of work into explaining his reads. I picture town hapa as loud and influential and that's not him this game. there are also some stuff about things I think are awkward about his entrance to the game
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