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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote: MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS HERPA FUCKING DERP YEAH THAT TOTALLY MAKES FUCKING SENSE WHEN SYLLO IS THE UNDISPUTED VOTE LEADER. You think mafia are going to kill party members if they know them? How do you know mafia have the power to do this during the Day? | ||
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Hapahauli
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Yeah but you're suggesting that mafia can insta-gib players on the party? We don't know if mafia has a traditional kill mechanic. We don't know anything about how kills/damage/whatever work. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 04:34 Acrofales wrote: Night actions are resolved AFTER the mission. Mementos already stated that. Herpa fucking derp yourself. And this. No idea why I didn't type this. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 04:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I think hapa is acting like his town self more and more. Hapa instead of us convincing we shouldn't vote cyllo, perhaps convince us to vote for you? I've offered my reasons. I've offered my party. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=73#1444 Do you agree with me? Then vote me. I'll be voting for myself: ##Vote Hapahauli Right now I'm trying to show you guys that putting blind faith in Syllo is stupid. There's no sane reason for him to withhold reads. There's no threat to members on the party. There's no risk of "mafia manipulation" or whatever the fuck he things the "reasons" are. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 04:31 Acrofales wrote: I don't think you're doing his filter justice with this post. He has given a rather important scumread. Whether it's right or not I am having a hard time determining, but the fact that Sandro isn't in here telling Syllo he's bad/stupid/scum for not recognizing him as town is almost MORE telling than the read in itself. I haven't seen Sandro allow people to call him scum as town without a fight. Now Sandro would not be my first choice for a lynch, and I would generally be opposed to a D1 lynch based on this little information, but I am not getting the town vibes that Sandro usually throws off in spades, which, combined with Syllo's read is quite telling. I am not the only one in the thread feeling that way. Granted, Syllo could be scum and very manipulative, managing to get us all to switch off Sandro, but that would be a completely new meta for him. The only scumgame I played with him, he disappeared from the thread and called everybody stupid. Town was onto him pretty early. He has not played like that at all this game. Well I'm not super-familiar with Syllo's meta, and fact is, he hasn't done much this game at all. And I still can't reconcile how withholding his team is a good idea, much less how everyone else seems to blindly accept it. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 04:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Could you expand on your goodkarma town read? I've seen him play two mafia games: Mafia LVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=81106 Newbie XXIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&user=81106 He also played a mafia game in Rockband Mini, but replaced after a few posts. Not worth mentioning. In these games, his behavior rides along the lines of "mafia wanting to blend in." He doesn't post often, and when he does, it is only when he's asked to do so or to sheep on the "analysis" of a popular scumread. He overall really tries to not to get noticed, and his mentality in this game is the exact opposite. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Well I hope that Syllo is town for our sake | ||
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Hapahauli
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Who are you currently supporting? I've seen you tear down a bunch of campaigns, but you've proposed no alternative yourself. @ Cave Johnson On November 23 2012 05:12 CaveJohnson wrote: I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation Yes let's sheep a guy without thinking about his alignment because we think the other guy is scum. Nevermind making a read on the guy we're voting, let's just consolidate. Someone needs to shoot/attack/kill/whatever this guy. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 05:40 Promethelax wrote: Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke' It is a joke. Give me a reason to take him seriously and I will do so. Also, you need to hash out your read on me because I have no idea WTF you're thinking. You mentioned I'm "easy to read," that you are comfortable reading me and whatnot, but your rationale thinking I'm "suspicious" or whatever is absurd. For example, you mentioned that I'm not the "confrontational town hapa" when in fact I'm also super-confrontational as scum. Then I see things like this, where you don't mention a damn thing about the important parts of my candidacy (namely my proposed partY) and go off on how you just don't like my attitude on Kita or some crap like that. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 07:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Hapa are you willing to switch out GK for someone else you find townie? Will vote for you if you do, as long as your choice doesn't suck. Well not really, since I strongly believe GK to be town. Who else would you suggest? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 07:05 Clarity_nl wrote: Phagga. Is your meta read on GK really that strong? Other then meta you don't seem to have much reasoning. I'm pretty comfortable with the meta read. I really don't know much about Phagga - can you give me the rundown? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 07:12 Clarity_nl wrote: His thinking process has just seemed very townie all game so far. I can see where you're coming from, and a lot of his posts are "agreeable". That being said, I don't have the strong feelings about them one way or the other. I don't get an overwhelming sense of genuinity from him. Also, he's never played a scum-game to my knowledge, so I have no baseline to measure this against. I dont' know what he's capable of, and if his play isn't giving me strong feelings one way or the other, I'd rather have GK on the team. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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His "disinterest" seems pretty null, as his "I'm not comfortable in themed games and I'm hoping to be lazy" is fairly similar to what I was thinking toward the beginning of the game. I'm pretty sympathetic to it. That being said, marv seems waaaaay too comfortable with sheeping syllo at this point, and knowing the control-freak that marv is in mafia games, I'm having trouble connecting the mentality. I'm leaning scum on marv at this point. Regarding SnB: I think he's falling into his less-careful town meta a bit, and his posting style seems more similar to his town games (i.e. Mario Mini) rather than the more careful scumgames (Mafia LVII, DeathNote Mini). I'm leaning town on him, but these things can be faked as well. Definitely not someone I'd be comfortable putting in a party right now though. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 23 2012 07:30 marvellosity wrote: check out bureaucracy. I even PMed syllogism after that game to ask his advice on stuff. Me voting for syllogism is entirely unsurprising. your entire point makes no sense because me liking control is definitely not something that i only do as town. I don't see how I'm 'sheeping' him by the way. Unless everyone who is voting for someone who is not themself is 'sheeping'. Well you are "sheeping" him. You're putting what seems to me like blind faith in him, and this is something I'd associate more with your "lazy" scum-play than your town play. I also have no idea how people (including you) are reading Syllo so strongly as town. | ||
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Hapahauli
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I'll be out for most of the night to see family. Hopefully I'll see y'all after the deadline. Peace out. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Also, I did not get hit last night so yay! I'll have to think over the lynch some over the night. CaveJohnson is my top scumread atm, but that could change after a thorough read-through of the filters. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Anywho wanted to get to some of the more major suspicions in the thread atm. Regarding GoodKarma I still think GK is town. Primarily because of how he shut down his campaign and consolidated onto Syllo. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=65#1292 GoodKarma's campaign was gaining some traction at this point, and it would have been perfectly reasonable for him to continue on with it. His actions make very little sense from a scum perspective, as scum conceding a campaign with decent traction (and guaranteeing a strong town player control of D1) would be pretty stupid. It's possible to interpret his actions as a scum player sheeping onto another campaign due in order to not stand out, however, I find the former explanation much more convincing. If GK really wanted to hide, I doubt he would have campaigned. Regarding TheChronicler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=17#331 He opens his game with a really strange proposal to be elected, planning to elect a team of three people who will then elect the party... strange. He's very obsessive about this "information" point and bolds it green a lot, even in future posts. He seems to want to treat this as a more "classical" mafia game - objecting to giving out town reads and wanting people to give stances. One could interpret this as a "stupid townie idea" however he has very little conviction when pushing it. He seems really ready to accept his idea was bad when contested only a little. Other than that, I think Acro's post pointing out his "reasoning" for voting Syllo was spot on. He never calls Syllo town - he just offers strange/irrelevant justifications to vote him. Regarding CaveJohnson Looking at his filter on it's face show's a player that's done pretty much nothing all game. However, Drazerk is apparently pretty "trolly" as town from what I've been reading in the thread. Notably, he really doesn't seem to give much of a shit about defending himself, and strikes me a a townie trait. Leaning town on him all things said and done. Will have to look into his meta more however. Regarding Sandroba Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. I'm not ready to vote Chronicler yet because I have other people to consider. Promethelax sticks out in my mind as someone who needs a lookin-over. Too many damn filters in this game. >> | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 24 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote: uh, what I was getting at is this: I find kita's play scummier than sandroba's, but as you know sandroba so well you find it easier to discern sand's alignment. I'm curious what you think kita has done to deserve NOT being lynched. Oooh Kita is also another guy to consider. One thing that really stuck out to me is the "conditional damage" that is on him: On November 23 2012 09:04 kitaman27 wrote: Well done  I've been targeted with the guessing game. If I don't properly predict the lynch result within the next 24 hours I am hit with 200 hp of damage. I guess this is one of the ways mafia can damage people? :p First of all, attacks seem to be highly themed in this game. Kush's "Nirvana Strike" had a very specific name linked to the Chrono Trigger theme. Something like "the guessing game" is so uncharacteristically un-themed. In addition, it's just a really damn strange damage ability that seems farfetched at best. In addition, I didn't like kita's campaign very much. Posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=54#1062 ...are just weird to me. His first impulse to campaign wasn't to propose a party - it was to spread passive suspicion amongst a bunch of players. I don't like it, and I think his behavior has been scummy so far. | ||
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Hapahauli
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I'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Regarding Sandroba Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? | ||
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