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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:14 Promethelax wrote: K-dizzle, I think you are misreading Imp. He asked 'where in one [of those games] is [hapa] this hard for you [to read]. I think. Oh, that makes a bit more sense. Learn to fucking speak english iamp. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
The "meta read" from what I've gathered seems to be this: I'm active as scum and town, but I'm less active here. Therefore people are confuzzled. On the one hand, I understand that, but on the other hand, players seem to be going to lengths to stretch their imaginations to make sense of my actions from a scum perspective. Like Promethelax's post regarding my early game pushing of Toad: On December 03 2012 10:34 Promethelax wrote: in a normal mafia game that makes no sense. In this one I'm not so sure, getting major distance from each other and leading/getting into parties seems like the way for mafia to win. Like how many freggin assumptions are in this post? 1) This mechanics in this game are sufficiently different enough for "scum-hapa" to completely defy sane mafia strategy as defined in normal games. 2) That missions are paramount to the success of scum. Perhaps they are, but we have no information to the fact yet. In fact, Toad's flipped ability (summoning lavos early by gaining points from mission failures) could be the only scum benefit from missions for all we know. I could go on, but all of this is just ridiculous. /rant | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:16 Keirathi wrote: Oh, that makes a bit more sense. Learn to fucking speak english iamp. fuck off | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
he already died in his other game and still is not showing up here. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
dont ask stupid questions | ||
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Promethelax
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:19 iamperfection wrote: Keirathi you were the one going herp derp did iamp scum slip i wonder if he is scum despite him being the person to be verified going around healing people that are likely town. dont ask stupid questions I don't give a fuck if you've been healing likely town members. Who said scum can't have a healing role? You've not played like your normal self this game, and I've been giving you a free ride because of the healing. Nothing other than that has made me think you were town this whole game. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:21 Keirathi wrote: I don't give a fuck if you've been healing likely town members. Who said scum can't have a healing role? You've not played like your normal self this game, and I've been giving you a free ride because of the healing. Nothing other than that has made me think you were town this whole game. because that would be retarded. | ||
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Promethelax
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GreYMisT
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iamperfection
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:15 kitaman27 wrote: S&B's role description sounds like the standard, "punish the town for roleclaiming" role that needs to be in this game based on the fact that roleclaims are so powerful in this setup. Austin, I'd like to hear if you have any thoughts on S&B, nuke, VE and hap, or maybe just a couple of these individuals if you don't have the time. risk.nuke Early posts - mild town read. He's asking questions to the party leaders that feel like he's actually trying to make a choice. I know when I'm trying to make a choice or read someone, I often pose hypotheticals because it forces a player to really think about the game, try and solve something, and that seems harder for scum. To some extent, risk was asking questions in that vein - + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote: And speaking of old opinions. Acrofales, do you still advocate sending a team containing mostly vets. If not explain which reasons made you change your mind? On November 22 2012 17:13 risk.nuke wrote: I'm not a fan of your lazy-when-I-feel-like-it strategy. It still feels like you should have your reads on why you picked your team already. It shouldn't be that much of an effort to scribble them down. What do you think of leader-candidates outside you and sandroba? (feel free to ignore kitaman) On November 22 2012 17:41 risk.nuke wrote: Sandroba, what do you think of candidates beside yourself and Syllo? If both of you were suddenly made unable to lead. Who would you vote for? When I've played with risk, I'm not used to much activity. As scum in bureaucracy I know he was just sliding by under the radar, being unnoticed. The amount of involvement concerning Sandroba pushes against that. Lots of questions posed to him about his read on alignment, and he's actually responding and trying to present a train of thought, as to when he went from town --> what seems to be slightly scummy on Sandroba. The involvement in running for leader, or at least saying he'll throw his name into the hat, also goes against that. Not sure that I like making anything out of that, but for someone who has played more games with risk, and more games with scumrisk, did he speak up much and did he speak up on the topic of scumbuddies? I'm a sucker for speculation, and risk.nuke's HP speculation reads townie to me - + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On November 26 2012 02:00 risk.nuke wrote: I had a townread on chronicle before that, and as I said it don't see a reason for mafia to bus toad. Look you need to start understanding the setup. We've had two cycles and nobody died. This is not the average mafia game where scum race to kill townies at night and town lynch mafia at day. We obviously have to much hp for that. Our wincondition is killing Lavos. We have too much hp for it to be just a straight transfer from the regular health system. So what is HP for? We know it's important because mafia have ability's to lower hp and we seem to have abillitys to restore it. I'm not saying people can't be killed with it but I don't think it's its main purpose. What do we know about the setup except that we need to kill lavos. It revoles around completing missions. This is addition to mafias low kp leads me to believe mafia is likely working more like saboteurs trying to fail missions to weaken the town for the upcoming battle. So what can potentially have an effect on the success of a mission. What I can think of is Hidden sucess modifers. HP. Town:Mafia ratio. Mafia abillitys. I think that in order to complete a mission the chosen group need to have a certain score and that score is determined by HP and HSM. After the second election, risk seems to slip back into what I expect from risk. Less activity, smaller posts. I saw some posts claiming internet issues, but his involvement is slipping. IF he's playing more involved as scum, I would expect that to continue after Toad got nailed and with SnB under suspicion (if SnB flips scum). If risk were going out of his way to be involved and post more than in past game, he ought to be keeping that up if the noose is tightening around his team. This point is WIFOMy, because maybe risk has just given up as his team gets caught, but based on the other things I gather from his filter, I would think if he were scum his activity wouldn't drop off NOW, and would have been lower all game. I'm missing a lot of the context of some of those posts, as well as a full idea of the case(s)(?) against him. And if anyone has played multiple games with scumrisk, it would be good to know whether he's usually vocal as scum or not, and, if possible, how he reacts as his teammates die. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:20 Promethelax wrote: Haps, the mechanics in this game are different than in a normal game. We win by defeating lavos, not by lynching all scum. Therefore it does not hurt scum the same way to lose members. I think (though obviously am not sure) that scum could gain a great benefit by busing their teammates super hard early game to get on the party. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this difference from a regular game is worrying to me, you are a smart guy and the fact that you are not being paranoid about this game doesn't sit well with me. Oh please. You act like lynching scum isn't a major objective of the game. If you think a double-bus is a viable strategy as scum on day freggin two... I dont' care if it's a heavily themed game - I'm at a loss for words. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:30 Hapahauli wrote: Oh please. You act like lynching scum isn't a major objective of the game. If you think a double-bus is a viable strategy as scum on day freggin two... I dont' care if it's a heavily themed game - I'm at a loss for words. double bus when we didn't have another lynch for three cycles and you get to make these arguments...makes sense to me. Sure I'm paranoid because of how I think scum should be played and I usually suspect better players of being scum just by virtue of being better players. Look, you and Imp and I are shitting up the thread and it is time to stop it. If we are all town (imp is in my town column and you could be town) we need to step it up and instead of chasing each others' tails get back to the business at hand. Hapa, why is Phag the most scummy player in this game? | ||
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Promethelax
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:35 Promethelax wrote: double bus when we didn't have another lynch for three cycles and you get to make these arguments...makes sense to me. Sure I'm paranoid because of how I think scum should be played and I usually suspect better players of being scum just by virtue of being better players. Look, you and Imp and I are shitting up the thread and it is time to stop it. If we are all town (imp is in my town column and you could be town) we need to step it up and instead of chasing each others' tails get back to the business at hand. Hapa, why is Phag the most scummy player in this game? I've outlined it. He's blending in. He's doing incredibly non-controversial things and hasn't been scumhunting. Day 1: He does nothing, shows some weak reasoning for supporting kita, then sheeps the vote on Syllo at the very end of the day. Day 2: Same pattern. He throws suspicion on CaveJohnson (whom he never made a case on), builds a nonsensical case on GoodKarma, then sheeps the vote on Sandroba at the very end of the day. His later days have been much the same - he's done barely any scumhunting, and whatever "scumhunting" he does is really weakly reasoned, nonsensical, and fluffy. What in his filter makes you think he's town? | ||
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Promethelax
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Promethelax
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:35 Promethelax wrote: double bus when we didn't have another lynch for three cycles and you get to make these arguments...makes sense to me. Sure I'm paranoid because of how I think scum should be played and I usually suspect better players of being scum just by virtue of being better players. Look, you and Imp and I are shitting up the thread and it is time to stop it. If we are all town (imp is in my town column and you could be town) we need to step it up and instead of chasing each others' tails get back to the business at hand. Hapa, why is Phag the most scummy player in this game? I'M FUCKING SHITTING UP THE THREAD?!?!?! I'm trying to defend myself against retarded suspicions against me. I'm practically banging my head against a wall trying to rationalize how the hell you think my actions on D2 can even be rationalized from a scum perspective. Hell you just made another nonsensical assumption - that somehow I would have known that we wouldn't have a lynch for 3 cycles. Give me a break. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote: My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now... In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist: 1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out. 2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read... 3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar... 4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too. 5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party 6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later... 7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter. 8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...). 9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions. 10) Toad - Scum 11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read... On November 28 2012 10:03 goodkarma wrote: I know people hate lists, but honestly establishing town is just as important, if not moreso, than finding scum this game. So I have less of a problem with lists. My current conclusions: 1) Vigi shoot VE, Cave, and maybe Adam (in that order). 2) Kita probably is 3rd party... 3) Rolecheck Prox. if possible... 4) Toad = scum... And in case you were wondering, I would say that everyone not on that list is town at this point... | ||
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