EPTI am waiting for tommorrow/later today to propose a leader.
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I am waiting for tommorrow/later today to propose a leader. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
it could go badly if we blindly believe him What I meant to say was that with his limited contribution in the thread so far, it is difficult to know whether he is scum or town, even though he allegedly is an awesome town player and an obvious mafia player. BUT its too hard to tell RIGHT NOW. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:04 Keirathi wrote: Man, am I the only person who doesn't want to be party leader? Maybe that sounds scummy because "Keir doesn't want to be held accountable for his choices", but I'm certainly willing to say who I want to be party leader and who I would want in the party. Its just that I don't trust my ability to read people enough to put the final decision into my own hands :o Your opinions are still important  .Incompetent reads are far better than no reads at all. What's your current read on sandroba? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
You may have no read on Sandroba but you may have an opinion about how he plans to choose his party members. I would like to hear this opinion. In my personal case, the fact that sandroba's plan seems to have been thought out carefully and in the town interests makes me lean town on him. Of course, this is a very early read that I'm going to re-assess when the time comes to elect our leader. I would also like to know if you have any personal idea for the best way to chose your potential party members. Do you have any early town read by the way ? @ everyone I would prioritize as party members new players which I can have a town read on. I've been playing in the newbie games for a while so this is something I became good at. It can be tricky because they can look scummy because of clumsy posts and silly ideas but you can generally see if they are genuine and honest in their posting. If I cannot establish these reads, I'm familiar with a good number of players of this game, so I'll be able to discern good guys in the crowd to establish a party that is going to resolve the current event with great success ! I'm planning to be very active and I'll be open to discuss my reads on everyone, I'm not going to stick with only 3 players. But I would keep the last decision for myself  | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
so What's your current read on sandroba? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:12 goodkarma wrote: Your opinions are still important .Incompetent reads are far better than no reads at all. What's your current read on sandroba? Slightly town. His plan made a lot of sense if you assume that scum would be trying to influence the outcome of the event even after the party is selected by choosing who to kill, and it was a direct contradiction to the other proposed plan at the time, which shows he wasn't afraid to stick his neck out to propose something that could potentially be worse for scum. That said, his plan relied on the scum mechanics that we have no idea about, so he could be influencing town in the wrong direction. For instance, its possible scum is NOT able to shoot anyone in the party, so keeping all of the vets out of the party could make them "free" kills when otherwise they might not be. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
We should attempt to have some sort of consensus of likely party leaders by the end of first 24 hours or so to allow them to start diverting more attention to choosing their teams. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 14:35 Dienosore wrote: I believe in democracy. I would open up the party selection process to everyone in the game by making a poll and taking the top two choices. So you don't want to take the responsibility for the party members. By the way, you would have to take the top three choices. The other thing is that we have to use the resolution of the event to get information on the players composing the party. What good would it be if we get confirmation on players that everybody already think are town ? Any town reads so far by the way ? | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Sandro's idea doesnt really make that much sense now with new info. I dont see how you can confirm new players when you either succeed or fail based on hidden point values. I think that the best way of choosing a leader is someone who is experienced enough to make accurate reads and for that leader to choose the 3 highest town reads with him. I think that this is the best tactic FOR NOW | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Keir brings up a couple good points. Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? We don't even know anything about HOW the scum kills, other than it doesn't follow the traditional "1 KP = 1 dead". We have an HP value, and have no idea how much HP damage the scum can do in a single cycle, how they will do it, or who they can do it to. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Keir brings up a couple good points. Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? My guess is that you are not going to get the answer of your question Anyway, I could see now at least two ways for scum to influence the resolution of the event.
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo, Sandro's idea doesnt really make that much sense now with new info. I dont see how you can confirm new players when you either succeed or fail based on hidden point values. I think that the best way of choosing a leader is someone who is experienced enough to make accurate reads and for that leader to choose the 3 highest town reads with him. I think that this is the best tactic FOR NOW @ Oastmaster The purpose of sandroba, who is a player with usually good D1 reads when he is town, is not to confirm new players. He is going to chose them among his town reads to secure a good outcome of the event but he plans to chose new players with town reads to protect the other good and experienced town players by excluding them for the party. In this case, the mafia is going to be confronted to a choice. Either they are going to attack the party, either they have to attack the experienced town players outside the party. I can assure you that if sandroba is indeed town, half of the scum players are already shitting their pants in the mafiaQT and are spamming "overkill sandro D1 noaw". Or they do it for a town marv or a town Hapa or some other players who are intrinsically dangerous for the mafia when they are town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Does scum have to send in actions before they know who the party leader is? or after the whole party is made? I think you misunderstand me. My point is that we should focus on completing the tasks since that is the only way town gets an advantage. The best way to complete the tasks is the send the 4 towniest players | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:30 Keirathi wrote: We don't even know anything about HOW the scum kills, other than it doesn't follow the traditional "1 KP = 1 dead". We have an HP value, and have no idea how much HP damage the scum can do in a single cycle, how they will do it, or who they can do it to. But we have HP. Scum must be able to remove it somehow. And if we have let's say a small hidden value score lead over scum, it would be important to know if scum can or cannot off people in the party to tip the scales against us. Especially if a medic-type role exists for town. I feel this is a very relevant and answerable question to ask the host. But I must agree with oats that outside of a response from him it's not a good use of our time to discuss further. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
What's your current read on Sandroba? Since you are still here... Hopefully... | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:46 Clarity_nl wrote: One thing no one has mentioned that we have to consider is that sending people on missions will affect their hp in some way I'm sure, this means we can't just use the same party setup every time. Using the 4 towniest people mission 1 might hurt us down the line. This only means that ideally we would be only sending VTs. Since that will probably be impossible, we should not put to much thought to it. After all, if the events help us win the game, no townie should be afraid of sacrificing some of his HP or his life for the cause. On November 21 2012 13:06 goodkarma wrote: Who I would nominate (if not myself): As of right now, my support for a party leader (besides myself) would be sandroba. Sandroba seems to be adopting a solid strategy at present. I wholeheartedly agree with going with the most townie individuals, even if they are inexperienced. We don't know how the minigames are going to work yet, but we do know with 100% certainty that scum will count against their success. In a game where we don't lynch, all we can do is establish who is actually town. It is absolutely ridiculous to nominate people who have both strong scum and town games and are hard to read day one (thinking of Marv). I also completely agree with the suggestion that's been brought up that parties be suggested by those who are hoping to be nominated up-front. This is especially important if we are to nominate a townie who isn't as experienced. Goodkarma for President: As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time. You would vote Sandroba because you think his strategy is solid. His strategy involves taking less known townies on the team and no additional vets, to make it harder for scum to decide who to snipe. Your Strategy however would be to take at least one vet and a well known, albeit newer town player to your team. Why? On November 21 2012 14:10 Z-BosoN wrote: @Djodref I've never played with sandroba nor am I familiar with his meta. There are a lot of people here that are though (lots of vets), so I'm taking an overall town perspective. This is an assumption of course, but I think it's a fair one. You are therefore assuming that one of the vets is town, is able to read sandroba as scum(my) and is able to convince town about it, necessarly against other vets who might be scum as well? On November 21 2012 15:04 Keirathi wrote: Man, am I the only person who doesn't want to be party leader? Maybe that sounds scummy because "Keir doesn't want to be held accountable for his choices", but I'm certainly willing to say who I want to be party leader and who I would want in the party. Its just that I don't trust my ability to read people enough to put the final decision into my own hands :o I feel you. I know my D1 reads are often not good, so I'd be a bad choice for party leader at D1. @Dieno, Please cut the fluff, this does not help town. Could you give us some insight if you have any experience with mafia outside of TL? Or are you totally new to this kind of game? | ||
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