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TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 21 2012 05:13 GMT
#481
On November 21 2012 14:05 Dienosore wrote:
I think it's possible to remain credible and maintain a good sense of playfulness at the same time


If only you were doing something to lend yourself credibility other than posting nothing.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 21 2012 05:18 GMT
#482
On November 21 2012 14:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Djodref

I've never played with sandroba nor am I familiar with his meta. There are a lot of people here that are though (lots of vets), so I'm taking an overall town perspective. This is an assumption of course, but I think it's a fair one.


@ Z-Bo

So you would feel comfortable to vote as a party leader someone you are not really familiar with ?
Do you like sandroba plan or do you trust his analytical skills ?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 21 2012 05:19 GMT
#483
On November 21 2012 14:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 14:06 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hapa

Regarding the whole Keir deal, I'm not sure what to make of it yet. I think you are just diving in too deep though... thechronicle sums it up pretty nicely:

Think marv is town = will vote
Thinks marv is scum = will not vote
Unsure of marv = will not vote

You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all.


I don't think that from he posts he necessarily gives off the impression of confidence.


Bah you sniped me. I honestly still don't understand it, but doesn't make Kei scummy. In fact I think he's falling more into his town meta, especially with him snapping at iamperfection the way he did. Not a strong read, but one I'm comfortable with for now.

Show nested quote +
Meanwhile, sir Hapa,
While we are here, gathered and proud.
You stated earlier that the main criteria for our party leader resides in him being a strong town leader.
While I agree that is ideal, your view is in contrast to mine.
Have you read this post?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=20#384
Do you agree with my logic? I really think we should focus on a strong - yet easy to pin down - player. This makes sense, even because it is difficult to find a strong player that has a strong townie read on them, as most of the strong players are not so easy to make a solid enough read day one.
Let me know what you think.


We completely agree with each other no? I'm sure I've mentioned multiple times that my ideal player is a meta-transparent player with a strong track record as town.


Oh, right. I was skipping along and saw this:

We need to vote someone as party leader who we are sure is town. Not rationalize picking a vet because he makes accurate "town reads" as either alignment. That's fucking stupid.


And that led me to believe that you prioritized absolute townieness over everything else. I've seen your other posts now, so I guess you just exagerrated here and wanted to emphasize the second not-bolded part.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 21 2012 05:22 GMT
#484
@ sandroba

As a party leader, would you give the town more reasoning for your town reads on your party members than you did for your town reads in our Looney Game ?
If you promise to do so, I would like to elect you as a party leader. I liked your idea the best so far, it really looked like you had the town best-interest in mind, and I trust your analytical skills. I would appreciate if you chose vocal players in your team.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 21 2012 05:23 GMT
#485
On November 21 2012 14:18 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 14:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Djodref

I've never played with sandroba nor am I familiar with his meta. There are a lot of people here that are though (lots of vets), so I'm taking an overall town perspective. This is an assumption of course, but I think it's a fair one.


@ Z-Bo

So you would feel comfortable to vote as a party leader someone you are not really familiar with ?
Do you like sandroba plan or do you trust his analytical skills ?


I'd feel comfortable in the sense that he is more transparent to most of the players here and in the sense that I could always read his previous games. If I were to choose the player that I would feel most comfortable with (i.e Hapa), this would be worse for town, because there are probably less people familiar with hapa's play.

What is your opinion on what I've said? Who would you think fits my description better, for instance?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 21 2012 05:25 GMT
#486
Well I guess I got sniped. Yes, also note that I specifically asked for detailed reads, not just "eh, he's town". I'm gonna be pretty suspicious of him should he get elected on those grounds and fail to give good reasoning for his votes. I really really want to hear other people's thoughts on this though.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 21 2012 05:27 GMT
#487
Look at it this way:

I have no idea who any of you are, and none of you know me. Therefore, I can't abuse any preconceived notions or reads you have on me because they just dont exist. If I'm elected the leader, I promise to publicly consider every move before it happens. I will try to do so in such a manner that hopefully leaves no sour taste in anyones mouth.

[image loading]
campaign poster lol
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 21 2012 05:29 GMT
#488
Dienosore.
Get off your ass and start playing properly. Its does not help anyone when you keep making fluff posts and pissing people off
No gg, No skill.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 21 2012 05:29 GMT
#489
I propose myself as a party leader
I'm relatively new in these forums but I think I have good instincts to find the scum so I think I would be a nice party leader.
If anybody would like to elect me as a party leader, I would like to let you know that I have usually correct reads on new town players. Right off the bat, I would have Clarity and Iamp in my team right now because they are as involved in this game that their usual townie selves. I don't know yet for the third member.
Of course, these reads are subject to change but I would pick them if I had to choose right now.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 21 2012 05:31 GMT
#490
On November 21 2012 14:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dienosore.
Get off your ass and start playing properly. Its does not help anyone when you keep making fluff posts and pissing people off


What would you have me do? How does one "play properly"?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 21 2012 05:32 GMT
#491
On November 21 2012 14:27 Dienosore wrote:
Look at it this way:

I have no idea who any of you are, and none of you know me. Therefore, I can't abuse any preconceived notions or reads you have on me because they just dont exist. If I'm elected the leader, I promise to publicly consider every move before it happens. I will try to do so in such a manner that hopefully leaves no sour taste in anyones mouth.

[image loading]
campaign poster lol


If you're intent on becoming leader, your first step is to establish yourself as town. And talking only about yourself isn't going to get you there. I would like to hear about your policies for choosing people for your party, as well as if you were not to be elected which candidate you feel most comfortable about voting for and why.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 21 2012 05:33 GMT
#492
EBWOP sorry about not cutting out his "poster" -_-
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 21 2012 05:35 GMT
#493
I believe in democracy. I would open up the party selection process to everyone in the game by making a poll and taking the top two choices.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 21 2012 05:37 GMT
#494
On November 21 2012 14:29 Djodref wrote:
I propose myself as a party leader
I'm relatively new in these forums but I think I have good instincts to find the scum so I think I would be a nice party leader.
If anybody would like to elect me as a party leader, I would like to let you know that I have usually correct reads on new town players. Right off the bat, I would have Clarity and Iamp in my team right now because they are as involved in this game that their usual townie selves. I don't know yet for the third member.
Of course, these reads are subject to change but I would pick them if I had to choose right now.


This is a much better post than dinosaur guy, but again:

Who would you propose as an alternative if you weren't to get elected? We are going to go nowhere if everyone just votes for themselves.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 21 2012 05:50 GMT
#495
On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:54 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did not see the 'when'
sorry.
Also about the Keir thing with marv.
He said that if he did think marv was scum he wouldnt vote him
Then he said that he would have to be sure that marv was town to vote him.
They are the same in my opinion, Keir has the confidence that he will either have a town or scum read on marv by the end of the day, not a null read


I think you're reading that wrong.

Think marv is town = will vote
Thinks marv is scum = will not vote
Unsure of marv = will not vote

You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all.

Following quote sums it up.

On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Kei
You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts.

Err... but you said...
On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:

--Quote Pyramid Omitted--

I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through.

Do explain good sir.

What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o


------------------------------------------

On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that.


Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game?

-------------------------------------------

On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too).

Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to
-identify town
-vote town to lead the party
-Profit
-Kill Mafia/Lavos
-More Profit




What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD.

I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party.

Come play the setup speculation game with me please!


How about we don't speculate on setup. What is speculating going to do? It's just an opportunity for scum to mislead us when they shouldn't have that opportunity.

is it scummy to say what i think?


It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go.


This is a bit belated, but: while we give scum information from town reads, this can't be helped in this particular setup. We obviously aren't going to try to select scum in our parties, so anyone who is selected or a serious nominee is automatically going to be a high priority target. This isn't your standard mafia game, so I would recommend you stop treating it as such.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 21 2012 05:53 GMT
#496
If it were not clear in the OP, A new party leader will usually be elected before each event.
Just something I'm not sure I put out there.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 21 2012 05:55 GMT
#497
As far as my vote for the election goes, I'm going to vote for myself no matter what. I'm not going to propose any alternatives.

If I don't win, well shucks, at least I tried
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 21 2012 05:59 GMT
#498
On November 21 2012 14:37 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 14:29 Djodref wrote:
I propose myself as a party leader
I'm relatively new in these forums but I think I have good instincts to find the scum so I think I would be a nice party leader.
If anybody would like to elect me as a party leader, I would like to let you know that I have usually correct reads on new town players. Right off the bat, I would have Clarity and Iamp in my team right now because they are as involved in this game that their usual townie selves. I don't know yet for the third member.
Of course, these reads are subject to change but I would pick them if I had to choose right now.


This is a much better post than dinosaur guy, but again:

Who would you propose as an alternative if you weren't to get elected? We are going to go nowhere if everyone just votes for themselves.


@ gk

I'm thinking at sandroba right now. I would like him to answer some of my questions first of course. For your information, I'm a little familiar with his meta and I've played a game with him. Truth being told, Hiro and me decided to kill him N1 so I didn't interact with him so much but enough to know that mafia players shit their pants when he is town
I've stated it before but I don't mind to restate it again. I think that his plan would protect the town interests the best. I think the members of elected party are going to be put at risk after the resolution of the event because they are going to get closer to confirmed town players if everything go well. So we might as well let sandroba chose other players than the ones that are eventually prove themselves town just because they rock at it. I trust him to get good reads in our first day.
His idea is good but that doesn't make him necessarily town so I need more from him.

@ sandroba

Do you have any early reads that you would like to share with us ?

@ everyone
In fact, I think that it is important for every player that wants to be the party leader to give us frequent and updated reads on the players. I expect constructive posts and great activity from these players.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 21 2012 06:00 GMT
#499
Hmm, seems we are campaigning for just the initial party leader position...

I STILL VOLUNTEER MY SERVICES
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 21 2012 06:04 GMT
#500
Man, am I the only person who doesn't want to be party leader? Maybe that sounds scummy because "Keir doesn't want to be held accountable for his choices", but I'm certainly willing to say who I want to be party leader and who I would want in the party. Its just that I don't trust my ability to read people enough to put the final decision into my own hands :o
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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