Chrono Trigger Mafia - Page 24

On November 21 2012 13:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hopeless, how would scum fakeclaiming 600 AD help town?
Also I am against roleclaims of any kind.

On November 21 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:

Quit asking for people to read you and play naturally.

You did that shit in GSL 3, where you specifically asked me to give a read of you since I am very good at picking up when you are town or not.

Just don't.

On November 21 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:

Quit asking for people to read you and play naturally.

You did that shit in GSL 3, where you specifically asked me to give a read of you since I am very good at picking up when you are town or not.

Just don't.

On November 21 2012 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did not see the 'when'
sorry.
Also about the Keir thing with marv.
He said that if he did think marv was scum he wouldnt vote him
Then he said that he would have to be sure that marv was town to vote him.
They are the same in my opinion, Keir has the confidence that he will either have a town or scum read on marv by the end of the day, not a null read

On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:

What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o

On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that.

On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too).

Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to
-identify town
-vote town to lead the party
-Profit
-Kill Mafia/Lavos
-More Profit

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What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD.

I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party.

Come play the setup speculation game with me please!

On November 21 2012 13:54 TheChronicler wrote:


I think you're reading that wrong.

Think marv is town = will vote
Thinks marv is scum = will not vote
Unsure of marv = will not vote

You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all.

Following quote sums it up.



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Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game?

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How about we don't speculate on setup. What is speculating going to do? It's just an opportunity for scum to mislead us when they shouldn't have that opportunity.

On November 21 2012 13:53 Dienosore wrote:
You sure are giving me an easy route to fly under the radar as long as I stay silly...

On November 21 2012 13:53 iamperfection wrote:

so it should be a null tell keir. Not thinking critically are we keir?

On November 21 2012 13:44 Keirathi wrote:

Wat..?

The whole thing was about who I *PLAN* on voting. I'm not voting anyone right now, nor will I probably vote anyone in the next 24 hours. However, my current plan is to vote for marv, but if I decide that I don't trust him to be most likely town, I will instead vote for someone that I do think is town.

I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through.

On November 21 2012 13:55 Clarity_nl wrote:


There is a special place in hell for people like you.

On November 21 2012 13:55 Clarity_nl wrote:


There is a special place in hell for people like you.

On November 21 2012 13:51 Hapahauli wrote:


I still don't understand this. This implies that you would never be unsure about your read on marv - on D1 of all days.

Part of me has a really hard time believing that this is the same Kei as in GSL III - the one who was uber reluctant and helpless on D1 to make a read on anyone in the game.

Think marv is town = will vote
Thinks marv is scum = will not vote
Unsure of marv = will not vote

You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all.

On November 21 2012 13:01 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, I took some time to check out how resistance works.

Apparently, the rest of the non-party members have no control over the success or fail of an event. The party they chose solely determines that. The less scum, the higher the chances of success.

In this game, however, things seem a bit different. I'm thinking scum have negative numbers associated with them, while towns have positive numbers, and the sum of these overall values will determine the success/failure of an event.
However, in the OP, it says that there are other different and hidden factors that will contribute to determining the outcome of a mission.

Without considering these hidden factors, and thinking solely on the "overall sum" as the determinant factor in succeeding or failing a mission, then there should be some logic behind the numbers appearing, and we will find this out when people start dying (if they show at death).

Since we are in the beggining of the game and little is known, then we should consider that the associate value is equal amongst all people. We want to thin out and gain as much information as possible. Of course it would be ideal to have all members be town and automatically win the missions until the rest of the game.

So what?

We choose our team to gain information. We expect our leader to give reasoning as to why he thinks every single member he has chosen is town. This will gain us a lot of information, as depending on the outcome of the event, people will be able to thoroughly judge the decisions the party leader made. It puts people's heads on the line as to precise thought, and it should be very easy to pick up on "bad cases" should scum actually win.

So I move that we vote a strong player capable of making town reads, but who is also distinguishable and easier to pin down as scum. As I read before I post this, I just realized that I may be repeating a lot of what's been said so... bleh

That being said, I'm thinking we should actually vote sandroba. I've heard he is a capable player and a few people have mentioned that he is easier to pin down when scum. We then impose that he gives us every single line of thought on why he's chosen the party members (trying to choose town of course), and play on based from the result of the mission and from the assumptions I've made earlier on. If he's scum, we should be able to catch him on these grounds.

I guess this makes sense.. anyone?

On November 21 2012 14:05 Keirathi wrote:

It doesn't imply that I would never be unsure of my read on marv at all. I'm much more likely to be paranoid towards marv when he says something fishy (aka 'scummy vibes') than I am for someone like kush, because I know town kush can say really stupid things (no offense kush <3).

And, if you remember, day 1 in GSL 3 was a nightmare for me IRL. I had a ton of family shit going on, and I was playing 90% of the game from my phone, which meant I wasn't able to go filter diving, or even devote very much time to the game. I'm not averse to making comfortable day 1 reads, but I generally make them really conservatively. Conservative reads + no time to play meant I was useless.

On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:

is it scummy to say what i think?

On November 21 2012 14:06 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hapa

Regarding the whole Keir deal, I'm not sure what to make of it yet. I think you are just diving in too deep though... thechronicle sums it up pretty nicely:



I don't think that from he posts he necessarily gives off the impression of confidence.

Meanwhile, sir Hapa,
While we are here, gathered and proud.
You stated earlier that the main criteria for our party leader resides in him being a strong town leader.
While I agree that is ideal, your view is in contrast to mine.
Have you read this post?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=20#384
Do you agree with my logic? I really think we should focus on a strong - yet easy to pin down - player. This makes sense, even because it is difficult to find a strong player that has a strong townie read on them, as most of the strong players are not so easy to make a solid enough read day one.
Let me know what you think.