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CaveJohnson
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 29 2012 22:27 goodkarma wrote: <snip> This is why I am so disappointed... Honestly, I expected better of him by now... You know, I don't understand you making comments like this after addressing everything in his case. If his case was so terrible wouldn't everyone agree with you, and you wouldn't have to address it? Your disappointment seems forced. I don't see why you're so insistent on bringing up a case prome made on your 6 months ago in a newbie mafia game, and compare it to this case now, other than to be able to say hey look guys, these situations are similar on the surface and I was town then, so I must be town now! If you were town you would've just said: Prome your case is rather bad because XYZ and then move on. Instead you were kicking and screaming on the floor all night, and now that you've finally addressed the entirety of his case you are suddenly disappointed. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
On November 29 2012 22:10 risk.nuke wrote: And get real. Karma being on this party tells you nothing about his alignment because regardless of if he is scum or town the mission would fail. It's riddiculous how you (acro and prom) hold it against him as if there was minor chance he could have effected the outcome. Do you even read my posts? I say exactly that... You also STILL haven't answered any of my questions. You say 1 of the questions I ask is stupid and use that as a reason to ignore everything else. Go read it and answer it. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
1) My actions day one some people may have trouble with. I spent a significant amount of time discussing game mechanics. Get over it. This isn't a standard game, and it is 100% relevant to have some working knowledge of how the game works established up-front... 2) I had a town read on Sandroba early game. It evolved into a scum read by vote time. I have clearly explained the how and why. It's up to you if you believe me. But keep this in mind: Why would I as scum feel compelled to include him in my party early game? Wouldn't it make more sense that I would have tried to distance myself from him from the outset? This is what I've done in my scum games... More or less not even interact with my scum buddies... Further, I have explained my motivation for running for party leader was tied to setting up openness about who would be in party leaders' parties. I didn't care if I won, which is why I had no problem including Sandroba early game when he was a town read for me. 3) The list post, while normally bad, is fine in this setup. This isn't a standard game. Feel free to hate it all you want, but it is a sensible thing to do when establishing town (in addition to finding scum) is also important to winning. 4) My actions on SnB I've already explained. Ask yourself why, as scum, I wouldn't just push an SnB case anyway. Anyone with any common sense would know that doubling back in the way I did would attract a ton of attention. I was less inhibited, not drunk. There is a difference, and what I did was generally rational. However, I wasn't putting my thoughts together as I normally do and just spouted what came to mind on paper... Whether or not you believe me is up to you. But as scum, I would have to be really dumb to do what I did here. You could argue the same as town, I suppose. But if you were to look at this game and compare against my scum games you would notice another thing: I am actually trying to actively participate. This is my town game, and if you were to stop and look you should be able to get a town read from this. I would never do anything this reckless as scum. Honestly, as scum I probably just wouldn't have posted at all... 5) I was not super-responsive to the failed party because from my perspective it is super-obvious that Acro affected the outcome. Even if others had suspicions of me, it should have been super-obvious to them that this was a good possibility. Yet everyone seems to overlook this outcome... 6) I would have to be pants-on-head retarded as scum to target CaveJohnson. How could anyone here believe any differently? And as of right now, still no one has counter claimed the damage I did to him. 7) My vigi shot can be used repeatedly. I can still claim my shots in Mason QT without scum knowing what's coming, and can verify my claim accordingly... 8) Feel free to include me in a party with 3 "confirmed town." As town without any kind of "low success modifier" role flavor, the party will succeed. Those are the main points that come to mind. If there's anything else that you think of let me know. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 29 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong. Namely the host saying this (at my request) So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal. This means there are a couple of possibilities: 1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment 2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt) 3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now) I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell. Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 29 2012 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote: You know, I don't understand you making comments like this after addressing everything in his case. If his case was so terrible wouldn't everyone agree with you, and you wouldn't have to address it? Your disappointment seems forced. I don't see why you're so insistent on bringing up a case prome made on your 6 months ago in a newbie mafia game, and compare it to this case now, other than to be able to say hey look guys, these situations are similar on the surface and I was town then, so I must be town now! If you were town you would've just said: Prome your case is rather bad because XYZ and then move on. Instead you were kicking and screaming on the floor all night, and now that you've finally addressed the entirety of his case you are suddenly disappointed. How would I "force" disappointment when he has done the exact same kind of thing the last time I've played a game with him and roled town? And clearly town shouldn't fight back when someone makes a strong push to try and get them mislynched. Yes, that was sarcasm... If there's a particular point you feel has merit in Prox's case that I haven't addressed fully provide it to me. Otherwise, all you're doing is speculating, and there's nothing I can do for you. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 29 2012 23:06 syllogism wrote: Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability. Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 29 2012 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it? Oh, because he didn't take the damage. I'll have to rethink this. Thanks for bringing that up syllo | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On November 29 2012 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it? Thats not what i was told. I thought the heal had to do actual healing. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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iamperfection
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 29 2012 23:16 iamperfection wrote: Thats not what i was told. I thought the heal had to do actual healing. Yeah, please add "as long as he's not full hp" at the end of my sentence. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 29 2012 23:20 iamperfection wrote: i thought he said he didn't take damage day 1? Right but he said he took damage day 2 and I healed him day 3 | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
1) He is full hp, meaning he lied about taking damage 2) He really didn't get healed, meaning it somehow got redirected or blocked without notification. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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iamperfection
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